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sterlingice 07-14-2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3372357)
I don't know where to put this, but interesting. Correlation isn't causation and all of that.

It is fascinating isn't it? You can literally point to the start of the Reagan administration as to when America started going downhill. pic.twitter.com/ay7cygcg2e
— John Thornton (@JohnT15) July 13, 2022


Wait? So you mean the actor brought in to be the salesperson for the policies of the rich really screwed the rest of us?

SI

Atocep 07-14-2022 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3372361)
Wait? So you mean the actor brought in to be the salesperson for the policies of the rich really screwed the rest of us?

SI


The war on drugs was a colossal failure in every way imaginable. I don't think the negative impact can even be measured its so far reaching and still having a major societal impact today.

JPhillips 07-14-2022 07:49 PM

Still waiting for someone to put a name behind the accusations that Hutchinson was lying.

RainMaker 07-14-2022 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3372400)
Still waiting for someone to put a name behind the accusations that Hutchinson was lying.


All the anonymous sources who were totally going to come forward and testify. All the gullible idiots who bought into that.

RainMaker 07-14-2022 08:07 PM

What a coincidence.


Ksyrup 07-14-2022 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3372403)
All the anonymous sources who were totally going to come forward and testify. All the gullible idiots who bought into that.


Well, since the SS can't be trusted, apparently there's a DC cop who can corroborate her story. Not sure if it's the story that she was told what happened, or who actually witnessed the limo incident.

Thomkal 07-18-2022 02:48 PM

Bannon's trial starts today and what do you know they were able to find jurors in DC who haven't listened to the Jan 6 Hearings. Judge wants 22 in the pool, have 17 so far. Thought for sure Bannon would "come down" with the flu or COVID, but maybe he's saving that for the actual trial

Lathum 07-19-2022 12:01 PM

Garland should do his fucking job or be replaced. What an utter failure and disappointment.

PilotMan 07-19-2022 12:12 PM

They're being very careful and measured.

Meanwhile, trump was our there already saying he'll just investigate everyone and put them behind bars and win to avoid any prosecution.

Yet, they are both the same.

Galaril 07-19-2022 02:49 PM

So now they are saying the text are permanently gone and the National Archive is referring agents for criminal prosecution.

Kodos 07-19-2022 03:11 PM

I guess they are in effect taking a bullet for their President.

RainMaker 07-19-2022 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3372814)
So now they are saying the text are permanently gone and the National Archive is referring agents for criminal prosecution.


Biden is incredibly dumb if he doesn't overhaul the Secret Service immediately. The people who are supposed to protect you being criminals for a guy who is crazy is not safe.

Galaril 07-19-2022 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3372840)
Biden is incredibly dumb if he doesn't overhaul the Secret Service immediately. The people who are supposed to protect you being criminals for a guy who is crazy is not safe.


Definitely need some major changes.

albionmoonlight 07-20-2022 03:51 PM

In my experience, the more popular a government agency is, the more corrupt it tends to be. Because nobody gains political points by investigating it. Which is why things like public defenders offices tend to be run really cleanly because if a penny goes out of place, everyone jumps on it. And things like police departments tend to end up having corruption because the media and politicians don’t want to go after them. All of which is to say that the Secret Service is one of the most popular government agencies out there. So I suspect that we are going to learn a lot of pretty bad things if they really do start a formal and thorough investigation.

Thomkal 07-21-2022 02:07 PM

Bannon trial will have laster longer than the jury will need to convict him after his lawyer calls no witnesses and Bannon does not give testimony (except from the courthouse stairs) Looks like jury gets the case tomorrow.

NobodyHere 07-21-2022 02:28 PM

And didn't the prosecution only call 2 witnesses?

RainMaker 07-21-2022 02:32 PM

There isn't really much of a case. You prove he got the subpoena and that's it. Not really sure what the defense can be. Law is pretty well established.

Ksyrup 07-21-2022 02:47 PM

I read that they were pushing the idea that the committee kept open communication and offered him to come in for testimony well after the deadline, suggesting it was a moving target and not a drop dead date by action.

Lathum 07-21-2022 03:30 PM

they are counting on one MAGA being on the jury

Ksyrup 07-21-2022 06:05 PM


Atocep 07-21-2022 08:12 PM

Seeing the violence always hits hard. Pence's security detail calling family to tell them they love them because they didn't think they were going to make it out is crazy.

PilotMan 07-21-2022 08:45 PM

Honestly, if nothing comes of this, and by nothing, I mean, no very serious charges and convictions at the top, then there never will be, from anyone in the future. There will be no limit to what can be attempted until someone succeeds and then the laws will cease to matter, because all will be lost.

Lathum 07-21-2022 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3372979)
Honestly, if nothing comes of this, and by nothing, I mean, no very serious charges and convictions at the top, then there never will be, from anyone in the future. There will be no limit to what can be attempted until someone succeeds and then the laws will cease to matter, because all will be lost.


Love her or hate her, Cheney gets this more than anyone and has totally thrown herself on the sword.

You can hate her policy, but she quite possibly may go down in history as the person who saves democracy.

PilotMan 07-21-2022 08:50 PM

Don't say it PM, don't say it PM don't say it PM......

{might be the only good thing to come out of Dick Cheney}

Fuck....I still hate her, but at least she's drawn a line in the sand and held her ground. It shows integrity, and I admire integrity.

bronconick 07-21-2022 08:51 PM

The footage of Josh Hawley running away from the insurrectionists after he raised his fists in solidarity is hilarious. Showing it again in Slo-
Mo is priceless.

Thomkal 07-21-2022 10:08 PM

Yeah so glad they highlighted Hawley like that-he's been pretty unscathed in the hearings so far.



Like a lot of us, there's not much I like about Liz Cheney's politics, but if she does lose re-election, I hope President Biden can find somewhere in the White House or his staff that would not go too much against her beliefs/politics. I think her voice still needs to be heard and not just fade away.

flere-imsaho 07-22-2022 04:39 AM

I imagine she'll do whatever it is that Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, and Tim Pawlenty have been doing since the GOP discarded them.

(Likely, in their minds, waiting for the GOP's Trump "fever dream" to subside so they can come back to the national stage.)

Lathum 07-22-2022 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3372983)
The footage of Josh Hawley running away from the insurrectionists after he raised his fists in solidarity is hilarious. Showing it again in Slo-
Mo is priceless.


I love the way the room erupted with laughter.

sterlingice 07-22-2022 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3373005)
I imagine she'll do whatever it is that Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, and Tim Pawlenty have been doing since the GOP discarded them.

(Likely, in their minds, waiting for the GOP's Trump "fever dream" to subside so they can come back to the national stage.)


I don't know if I'd say this about Pawlenty, but it was definitely the fever dream that Ryan and Walker helped create/lead

SI

GrantDawg 07-22-2022 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3372990)
Yeah so glad they highlighted Hawley like that-he's been pretty unscathed in the hearings so far.



Like a lot of us, there's not much I like about Liz Cheney's politics, but if she does lose re-election, I hope President Biden can find somewhere in the White House or his staff that would not go too much against her beliefs/politics. I think her voice still needs to be heard and not just fade away.



They are making fun of him so hard, they are making me nervous. Usually when people pick on white nationalist enough the grab an AR-15 and shoot a bunch of children to prove they are men.


As for Liz, foreign policy jobs can be bi-partisan. I think she might have a penchant for invading Middle Eastern countries for invented reasons like her father, though.

BYU 14 07-22-2022 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3372983)
The footage of Josh Hawley running away from the insurrectionists after he raised his fists in solidarity is hilarious. Showing it again in Slo-
Mo is priceless.


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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3373014)
I love the way the room erupted with laughter.


I finally watched this, OMG, priceless and what a pussy! If anybody deserved to have their lack of t4estosterone called out more, I can't think of them right now.

Ksyrup 07-22-2022 09:52 AM

I'm more concerned that Hawley would push hard for criminalizing this entire process once GOP is back in charge (in a few months) and generally aligning with Trump on turning the entire federal government into a far right ecosystem by purging career workers to ensure any crazy thing they want to do will be met with no resistance. Picking on/shaming someone like Hawley can backfire when they have power. Frankly, he can help to do far more damage without a gun.

BYU 14 07-22-2022 09:53 AM

Dola, regardless of anything they have, or haven't done in the past, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are heroes, that history will remember kindly!

JPhillips 07-22-2022 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3373032)
I'm more concerned that Hawley would push hard for criminalizing this entire process once GOP is back in charge (in a few months) and generally aligning with Trump on turning the entire federal government into a far right ecosystem by purging career workers to ensure any crazy thing they want to do will be met with no resistance. Picking on/shaming someone like Hawley can backfire when they have power. Frankly, he can help to do far more damage without a gun.


I get this, but in general, I think it's more effective to make the fascists into clowns rather than super-villains. Plenty of people want to follow the super-villain, but far fewer want to follow the clown.

Thomkal 07-22-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3373024)
They are making fun of him so hard, they are making me nervous. Usually when people pick on white nationalist enough the grab an AR-15 and shoot a bunch of children to prove they are men.


As for Liz, foreign policy jobs can be bi-partisan. I think she might have a penchant for invading Middle Eastern countries for invented reasons like her father, though.



Yeah Jeff Flake is an Ambassador now I think, could be a good place for her to end up (and not inventing reasons for invading them)

Atocep 07-22-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3373035)
I get this, but in general, I think it's more effective to make the fascists into clowns rather than super-villains. Plenty of people want to follow the super-villain, but far fewer want to follow the clown.


I think this is far more likely to be a Dukakis moment than a MAGA supervillain origin story.

Thomkal 07-22-2022 11:04 AM

Bannon trial is in the hands of the jury as of about 10 mins ago

Lathum 07-22-2022 11:30 AM

They should be back already.

Ksyrup 07-22-2022 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3373035)
Plenty of people want to follow the super-villain, but far fewer want to follow the clown.


That seems to be old-guard, conventional wisdom. There are even bigger clowns that have a more rabid following than Hawley, so...

Ksyrup 07-22-2022 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3373045)
They should be back already.



It's lunchtime. Let's convict this moron. But first, we eat!

Ksyrup 07-22-2022 12:38 PM

HA!


Thomkal 07-22-2022 01:42 PM

And just predicted by many legal pundits, jury got a free lunch then didn't want to come back after the weekend, verdict is in

NobodyHere 07-22-2022 01:45 PM

You would have to think a short verdict is bad for Bannon.

RainMaker 07-22-2022 01:49 PM

I know juries can be a crapshoot but it's really not a complex case. You get a subpoena and have to appear. Kind of a staple of the justice system.

Thomkal 07-22-2022 01:50 PM

Guilty on both counts

RainMaker 07-22-2022 01:55 PM

So what happens now? Does he just go home with a "L" on his record?

Thomkal 07-22-2022 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373060)
So what happens now? Does he just go home with a "L" on his record?



Sentencing Hearing is on OCT 21

Lathum 07-22-2022 02:26 PM

Does anyone actually think Bannon is going to serve a minute of time?

PilotMan 07-22-2022 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3373060)
So what happens now? Does he just go home with a "L" on his record?


Immediate pardon from trump. Doesn't matter who is the president is, he'll 'invoke' it.

larrymcg421 07-22-2022 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3373047)
That seems to be old-guard, conventional wisdom. There are even bigger clowns that have a more rabid following than Hawley, so...


It's clownish in a way that doesn't resonate with the MAGA base. It reminds me of how Trump lost faith in Sean Spicer after seeing him played by a woman on SNL.


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