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Lathum 07-08-2022 04:31 PM

The next level stupid has spun so far out of control....

How the Georgia Guidestones became a magnet for conspiracy theorists

Thomkal 07-08-2022 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3371572)
Jan 6 committee got who they wanted to testify at last-don't know the details yet, but Pat Cippolini has agreed to testify.


In other news Lindsay Graham refuses to testify to the GA Grand jury using the same argument that Trump was never successful with it, "its all political"



Cippolini testified for about 8 hours, so I doubt there was a lot of Pleading the 5th there.

Thomkal 07-08-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3371841)
Cippolini testified for about 8 hours, so I doubt there was a lot of Pleading the 5th there.



One of the committee members said he did not plead the 5th and they got answers to all questions they could which probably means he did say executive or attorney-client priviledge on some questions.

RainMaker 07-08-2022 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3371839)
The next level stupid has spun so far out of control....

How the Georgia Guidestones became a magnet for conspiracy theorists


What a weird story.

GrantDawg 07-10-2022 09:25 AM

Steve Bannon, ahead of his contempt trial, is saying he is now willing to testify but only if it is on a live broadcast. This seems to be the new strategy. Go live and play to the public.

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Thomkal 07-10-2022 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3371932)
Steve Bannon, ahead of his contempt trial, is saying he is now willing to testify but only if it is on a live broadcast. This seems to be the new strategy. Go live and play to the public.

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Some pundits on Twitter were seeing this as a defense for Trump in any upcoming trials for him. See I waived executive priviledge for Bannon (even though he doesn't have any now). Not sure how the Committee is going to respond to it. With such an anti democracy and Democratic party stance as he usually has, it would not surprise me if he used it just to continue what was started on the 6th. I can't see them allowing him to do it live.

Flasch186 07-10-2022 10:06 AM

I think they ought to invite him

Put together a really slick package of videos, and statements from the members and never ever ask him a question but just make him sit there and watch the overwhelming amount of evidence…

Maybe even put people next to him that will talk about him and the things he said and never ask him any thing or give him the floor the whole time


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albionmoonlight 07-10-2022 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3371932)
Steve Bannon, ahead of his contempt trial, is saying he is now willing to testify but only if it is on a live broadcast. This seems to be the new strategy. Go live and play to the public.

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Makes sense. Cold sobering evidence presented without fanfare is killing them

So try and drag this back to reality TV land.

Committee should just say no. You've got your subpoena. Comply or don't.

Thomkal 07-10-2022 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 3371940)
I think they ought to invite him

Put together a really slick package of videos, and statements from the members and never ever ask him a question but just make him sit there and watch the overwhelming amount of evidence…

Maybe even put people next to him that will talk about him and the things he said and never ask him any thing or give him the floor the whole time


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that would kinda defeat the whole fair and balanced approach they have been taking to these hearings wouldn't it? As much as I would like to see that. If it they were going to do it live, they would have to be ready to mute his mic, and make crystal clear before hand that his was a Congressional hearing not his podcast or a trial, and that he was there to answer their questions only.

Qwikshot 07-10-2022 06:07 PM

I think they should ship him to Guantanamo and have him answer after water boarding. He's a repugnant vile traitor.

Atocep 07-10-2022 07:45 PM

It's crazy how far the election fraud nonsense has gotten with zero evidence despite multiple opportunities to do so in court. We had the Wisconsin Supreme Court openly question the validity of the 2020 election and Nebraska, a state that isn't going Dem any time soon, is pushing a resolution requiring all ballots to be hand counted under video surveillance.

RainMaker 07-10-2022 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3371976)
It's crazy how far the election fraud nonsense has gotten with zero evidence despite multiple opportunities to do so in court. We had the Wisconsin Supreme Court openly question the validity of the 2020 election and Nebraska, a state that isn't going Dem any time soon, is pushing a resolution requiring all ballots to be hand counted under video surveillance.


Almost like the country has a large percentage of fascists who have been looking for an excuse to impose their form of government on others.

RainMaker 07-10-2022 09:16 PM

This shit is written like a 15 year old high school girl would write a mean letter. How low is the self-esteem and worth of people who see this and think that should be the President.


PilotMan 07-10-2022 09:24 PM

Does he know he can't pick and choose who he waives it for? It's sort of an all or nothing gig.

NobodyHere 07-10-2022 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3371989)
Does he know he can't pick and choose who he waives it for? It's sort of an all or nothing gig.


You're acting like the executive privilege existed in the first place.

GrantDawg 07-11-2022 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3371986)
This shit is written like a 15 year old high school girl would write a mean letter. How low is the self-esteem and worth of people who see this and think that should be the President.

I think we are now seeing a timeline on how and why this is all going down like it did. Saturday's Trump letter "waiving" Executive Privileged proceeded Sundays announcement that Bannon would testify. It seems like they are coming up with a new strategy to try and get their message into the committee, right?

Actually, a filing after midnight from the DOJ gives us another reason. Bannon and Trump wanted to curtail the contempt hearing set for Wednesday because Bannon's attorney lied to the January 6th committee in their filing for refusal to testify. The DOJ wants to the hearing to proceed, and believes Bannon's reversal is in bad faith.


Thomkal 07-11-2022 06:56 AM

Looks like he still hasn't produced the documents the Committee wanted either, so hard pass on him appearing

RainMaker 07-11-2022 03:40 PM

This feels almost abusive making him do this.


Thomkal 07-11-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3372003)
Looks like he still hasn't produced the documents the Committee wanted either, so hard pass on him appearing



Trump appointed judge shot down all of Bannon's defenses today, except one and ordered the trial to go as scheduled next week, leaving his lawyer to say:


“What’s the point of going to trial if we don’t have any defences” :)


Also Lindsay Graham lost his appeal to not testify before the GA Grand jury today too, though he still says he's going to fight it.

BYU 14 07-11-2022 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3372057)
This feels almost abusive making him do this.



You know I got several concussions playing Football too, but I didn't sound this stupid right after getting them, let alone 40 years later

BYU 14 07-11-2022 05:05 PM

The unadultered grifting that people are willing to support is crazy. Check these price packages

400 Bad Request

sterlingice 07-11-2022 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3372074)
The unadultered grifting that people are willing to support is crazy. Check these price packages

400 Bad Request


Unless I'm mistaken, the Presidential ($3995) and Congressional ($2995) have the exact same thing in them, right? Do you get anything for your extra $1000?

SI

PilotMan 07-11-2022 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3372085)
Unless I'm mistaken, the Presidential ($3995) and Congressional ($2995) have the exact same thing in them, right? Do you get anything for your extra $1000?

SI


Seating location. You're closer to the shit. That's all I can see.

Lathum 07-12-2022 03:07 PM

Cheney calling out the DOJ. Love it.

Thomkal 07-12-2022 03:40 PM

I always make sure to watch Cheney's final statements, cause she always throws a ringer in there-can't wait to see which witness he tried to tamper with.


3 comments about this hearing:


1) Cippolini is still trying to protect the President too much-he was not Trump's lawyer, but White House Counsel-executive priviledge be damned


2)I thought the two witnesses today were effective and wish they had been given more time to speak-I think many of us, myself included have family and friends who were and still are much like the man from Ohio who marched on the Capital thanks to Trump's words. I wish we could have learned more about the OathKeepers as a group and less about its leader.


3)Wishful thinking perhaps, but I was hoping they had direct evidence of Trump meeting with the Proud Boys and other far-righters.



4) Glad the one Congresswoman read the list of Republicans at that meeting. Glad they named the main players in the Rally, wish they had included Ginni Thomas

Lathum 07-12-2022 03:50 PM

I think the witness he called is likely the former CEO of Overstock. Seems like someone Trump would feel close enough to call and he is probably smart enough to not take the call.

Thomkal 07-12-2022 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3372151)
I think the witness he called is likely the former CEO of Overstock. Seems like someone Trump would feel close enough to call and he is probably smart enough to not take the call.



Good thought there, could be right. Was pretty funny when Cippolini didn't even know who he was when he found him meeting with the President with all the other crazies.

GrantDawg 07-12-2022 04:02 PM

John, I don't think you should be admitting that.

Thomkal 07-12-2022 04:23 PM

Saw on Twitter that after the hearing Ayres shook hands with the Capitol Police witnesses that were there and apologized for what he did on Jan 6.

Ksyrup 07-12-2022 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3372154)
John, I don't think you should be admitting that.


He said that and didn't even address the statement from Tapper. Anyone can attempt anything, including a coup, with minimal effort. It takes a lot of planning if you want to have a coordinated, efficient, successful coup. If you want it to happen organically, you make sure all the ingredients are in the pot, stir it, and hope it turns out the way you want. Trump was hoping for a combination of the crowd, Pence, GOP state legislatures, and the GOP on the ground in the Capitol to make it happen. This was never going to be a special forces operation, especially "masterminded" by Trump.

Ksyrup 07-12-2022 07:40 PM

Cool moment.


Thomkal 07-12-2022 07:42 PM

I have another candidate on who Trump tried to intimidate-Deputy press secretary Sarah Matthews, who was subpoenaed recently and before the change in schedule, testify this week I think:


Another top Trump aide agrees to publicly testify before J6 committee: CNN - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism

Ksyrup 07-13-2022 08:34 PM

According to a tweet I just read, the person Trump called is a WH support staff not accustomed to receiving calls from Trump. It happened after Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony.

Thomkal 07-13-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3372277)
According to a tweet I just read, the person Trump called is a WH support staff not accustomed to receiving calls from Trump. It happened after Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony.



Well according to a NewsMax host, Trump must have inadvertently "buff-dialed" the person by mistake, so we are all good here.

Thomkal 07-13-2022 08:53 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/13/polit...tee/index.html

Lathum 07-13-2022 09:02 PM

The DOJ has so much to go after Trump on and they wont. Nutless wonders...

RainMaker 07-13-2022 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3372179)
Cool moment.




ehhhh



Ksyrup 07-13-2022 10:02 PM

I don't follow. It's his actions that matter, not whether the guy accepted his apology.

RainMaker 07-13-2022 10:36 PM

I think his actions might have something to do with an upcoming sentencing hearing. I think we saw his true colors before he potentially faced a year in prison. The guy showed no remorse until he plead guilty and even tried to blame innocent people for his actions.

SirFozzie 07-13-2022 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3372294)
I think his actions might have something to do with an upcoming sentencing hearing. I think we saw his true colors before he potentially faced a year in prison. The guy showed no remorse until he plead guilty and even tried to blame innocent people for his actions.


Meh, I think the sheer national view of it meant that it was pretty sincere. There's no way his fellow (former?) Trumpites would accept "I was just trying to avoid jail" as a reason to apologize so publicly after saying the election wasn't stolen to congress.

Forgive? Yes. Forget? No. He still has to face his punishment, but I'm thinking that was general remorse

Ksyrup 07-14-2022 08:24 AM

Of course, this report by a bunch of RINOs won't move the needle at all.

New Report from Prominent Conservatives Reaffirms Trump's Loss and Warns of Danger to Democracy from Baseless Claims of Fraud

Ksyrup 07-14-2022 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3372279)
Well according to a NewsMax host, Trump must have inadvertently "buff-dialed" the person by mistake, so we are all good here.


The problem with the butt dial theory is that every time someone small like a WH staffer says something Trump doesn't like, he automatically says he didn't know the person. So why would he have their phone number if he barely knew them?

Lathum 07-14-2022 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3372318)


Quote:

Several have worked as Republican poll workers or assisted in election day operations monitoring voting. None has shifted to the Democratic Party.

This is the part I find interesting. If Trump wants the nomination it is his. What do these people, and millions of others like them do? Stay home? Third party? Or vote Trump despite all the horrible shit.

NobodyHere 07-14-2022 08:49 AM

Most will hold their nose. If nothing else they know the power of having a conservative supreme court and will elect anyone who will keep it that way.

Ksyrup 07-14-2022 10:01 AM

It doesn't explicitly say any of them voted for Trump or Clinton/Biden. Likely because they didn't vote Trump - or haven't publicly said who they voted for - and that would invariably draw the "Never Trump" argument against them, making this entire exercise look biased in the minds of those who need the most persuading.

Lathum 07-14-2022 12:05 PM

I do wonder if after the mid terms the party will make a concerted effort to make him as irrelevant as possible. They have to know the effect he has on the party.

Atocep 07-14-2022 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3372345)
I do wonder if after the mid terms the party will make a concerted effort to make him as irrelevant as possible. They have to know the effect he has on the party.


They absolutely do. They've supposedly talked him out of announcing a 2024 run a couple of times because they're worried about it hurting them in the midterms.

They guy has lost the popular vote twice and lost a senate that is completely stacked to favor their party. The GOP would very likely be in far better shape if he had lost in 2016 and just faded away. They're a minority party that's only holding on because of gerrymandering and electoral college advantages.

Ksyrup 07-14-2022 01:12 PM

Supposedly Trump is now looking at a September announcement that he's running for President, which I assume would be great news for Dems coming just before midterms. Of course, we also heard he was going to be announcing on July 4th and that didn't happen.

sterlingice 07-14-2022 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3372354)
Supposedly Trump is now looking at a September announcement that he's running for President, which I assume would be great news for Dems coming just before midterms. Of course, we also heard he was going to be announcing on July 4th and that didn't happen.


I've never quite sure when Trump is playing checkers or when he's just following his basest impulses and picking up a pawn and chewing on it. But every time he threatens to run, does the RNC slip him some money or bend to kiss the ring so he doesn't so he just keeps threatening to do it to get that response?

SI

GrantDawg 07-14-2022 01:38 PM

I don't know where to put this, but interesting. Correlation isn't causation and all of that.



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