Not really. Trump was talking fraud months before the election. They put forth so many different people within the campaign who were telling him the truth that I don't think it mattered whether Rudy supported it on election night.

250 mil in donations to fight election fraud and they just kept it all. This is what I don't understand. Why aren't people pissed that he lies to them and steals their money? It really has been his superpower.

If they don't believe he's lying to them, then they don't have any reason to be pissed that he stole their money.

People would rather lose $100 than admit that they got scammed out of $100. It's a variation of the idea that it is a lot easier to con someone than to get them to admit they were conned.

Yep, they've rationalized this a million ways I'm sure. From the deep state lies about the money being spent to Trump is moving money around so no one knows what his plan is.

But then they turn around and give him another donation. And another. And another.

This has been my thing with the GOP grifters for years. They aren't lying to me or the rest of us godless liberals, they're lying to their supporters. It's just amazing t me that more of them don't say fuck these guys. It would seem that you could find somebody with the right ideology that isn't spending every day stealing your money.

You would think, but a common denominator for all of these people is that they want to steal your money. Roger Stone, Bannon, Trump, Gaetz, Cawthorn, Parscale, ect. It's like it's an inherent trait for people with that set of beliefs and when you hate the dems enough getting your money stolen by someone out there fighting for you is better than the alternative.

In a sense, they are paying for what they want to hear. They want to believe they are superior, that the "other side" is evil, that they think critically and aren't sheep, etc. These people validate them, and for that, they pay them.

There is a reason the right loves uneducated voters.

So true.

The problem is they all think it is the other side doing it. I can totally see Republicans say yes to this poll thinking it means they will arrest Biden.

Tomorrow's hearings have been postponed. I wonder if they expect Dobbs to drop tomorrow. SCOTUS is scheduled to release opinions.

No, it's like 90% of democrats support, and 21% of republicans (just guessing the numbers).

They didn't break it down, but 35% of the respondents were Republicans and only 20% were against charges. 10% had no opinion..

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The guys that sunk Cawthorne just dropped some serious stuff on Boebert. If they have the receipts she might be done as well.

Yep. Meaningless without an agreement of standards of truth, evidence, etc.

Tom Rice did not get enough of a percentage to get a runoff with Russell Fry, so Trump with a big win there.

What are they saying? Can it be any worse than her being married to a convicted pedophile?

Worked as an unlicensed prostitute, which got her the connections to get the money to start her political career (alleging she met Ted Cruz while working as an escort for someone else) and had 2 abortions. This is all fairly recent too. I think they're claiming her most recent abortion was in 2019.

In case you didn't see it with all the Jan 6 news yesterday, the Trump family lost its last possible appeal to the NY Supreme Court, and will now have to sit under oath for a deposition with DA James.

So Congresman Loudermilk proclaimed yesterday that he had been cleared by Capitol Police,and tweeted the letter he received from the Capitol Police about it. CNN and others proclaimed he had been cleared Seth Abramson posted how CNN got it wrong and posted on his pay site about it...then low and behold the Jan 6 Commission just posted this:


January 6th Committee on Twitter: "Surveillance footage shows a tour led by Loudermilk to areas in the House Office Buildings, as well as the entrances to Capitol tunnels.

Individuals on the tour photographed/recorded areas not typically of interest to tourists: hallways, staircases and security checkpoints.… https://t.co/DKyP0zG1X6"

It's all circumstantial in the end. Honestly there's no way that can be a major part of any definitive allegations or accusation without tremendous corroboration.

And what if they have it and more? We did not even know they had this footage until today, and I can't believe that's their whole case on the tours. Let's try to have a little faith in them instead of the usual doom and gloom they are all going to get away it many of us have here.

It's on video.

I mean we all k,now no one will do anything.
And the supreme court will interfere like crazy

What have they shown us that deserves any faith? It has been a year and a held and the only ones being held accountable are the white trash mouth breathers who like to cosplay soldier. Midterms are 5 months away and then the committee is gone.

Exactly my point here Lathum, Their case even hasn't been fully revealed yet. Who knows what else they will reveal in the other hearings. I mean Pence's team was questioned and will be shown tomorrow it looks like.5 months is a long time-if people start getting arrested for this higher up in the food chain by then are you still going to say that? I mean they were trying to overthrow the governament, you want it all to take 2 weeks to investigate and start charging people?

It hasn't been 2 weeks, it has been 18 months. I have ZERO faith anyone higher up the food chain will be arrested. Maybe some militia leaders at best. Garland and Biden are terrified of making this look partisan so instead they will let it all slide with zero accountability for Trump et al...

I will hope you are wrong on that not only for democracy's sake, so I can come back here and quote you. :D


Look what's happened this week beside the J6:


Trump and family used up their last appeal (though they may try somehow to get the Supreme Court involved) and will testify under oath next month in NY


Bannon lost his second appeal today to have his Contempt of Congress case thrown out-both were by Trump appointed judges.



Until Garland and/or Biden step forward and say that they are not pursing charges against Trump, then I don't think you can say they are doing nothing or that he will get away with it.

I hope I am wrong also. Trump testifying in NY will be a big, fat, nothing. I don't care about that wet bag of puss and scotch Bannon. Garlands actions speak clearly enough about pursuing charges.

Yes, you have video of people on a tour and some of them were also there the next day, but until you can prove that one, without question, was related to the other, it's totally circumstantial. You something that actually shows them using information that was gleaned from the tour, at the insurrection, in the form of email, communication, or something else, to really cement it. Otherwise, it's just not that much.

Yeah, I mean who doesn't take tours of areas and take as many picture of security checkpoints, stairs and entryways as you can. That's always what I want as many pictures and videos of I can take when I am on vacation. Nothing weird or sinister about that. Just regular old security checkpoint lovers.

Why did Loudermilk lie about giving a tour? If it was just an innocent tour, there is no reason to deny it.

… because one party has determined that lying as a sin is not really a sin if it helps attack the other important sins that they hold dear.


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Photos claiming to be from the escort site (I don't believe they are). Don't care about the sex work stuff if it happened, but maybe a hot or not thread is in order. Because I hate to say it.......definitely would.

I would add that I'm HIGHLY skeptical about the claims against her. She's a horrible human being but the sources for this are equally as reprehensible. So I would take everything with a grain of salt, although those are real pics of her.

Agree on all accounts, Rainmaker. The claims don't pass the smell test, and she is physically attractive. She's rock dumb, but attractive.

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I agree

However, I don't feel the least bit bad for her over this. She's an awful human being.

Especially the pic on the left, she looks like a trailer park version of Jennifer Anniston.

So, they're running ads attacking Manchin here, apparently (I don't know how many WV voters are in the DC broadcast area). They claim that Manchin is "supporting Biden's plan to strip $300 billion from Medicare." Where do they even GET this stuff?

(I mean, the org behind it is funded by the Kochs. So I know where they get it from. But any claim that Democrats are anti-Medicare just blows my mind. And from a group that is apparently FOR privatizing senior health programs to begin with!)

The big 2010 gains were driven by attacking Obama for cutting Medicare, so I guess they're just going back to the well.

You're not wrong, I just don't think it stands as 100% damning information on it's own.

When they are TOTALLY WRONG about that... it's doing NOTHING to the republivcans that do this stuff that makes people dislike democrats every time...even tho republicans go after people with hellfire over a blowjob or steroids...

Let's get back to Benghazi. We need more hearings and investigations about that don't we? Nothing the republican party could possibly do could ever reach the levels of failure that was Benghazi. Clearly the entire Jan6 investigation is all about politics and making mountains out of molehills.

lol:

I got you guys covered pic.twitter.com/mUQAeJGbvj

— Oliver Crown Williams (@ocw5000) June 16, 2022

Is this Luttig chap ok? He seems...not 100%.

The only thing that stood between trump and a coup was mike pence…. I did not see that coming in all of my days watching the train wreck unfold over 4 years.


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The case they are making is pretty freaking damning, yet 70 million Americans will still vote for him. He must be convicted and disqualified from running. Not holding my breath.

Absolutely, there should be 100% no question on the illegality of what transpired and the justice system and the courts need to see to it. If they do not, cannot, there will be no point to continue the charade of government.