Fight Night Round 4 Final Roster?

[Motown]

Quote: Originally Posted by Po Pimp

He might try, but facts are facts. Bowe was a formidable opponent at 6'5 and 250, while Joe Louis struggled against a 180 pound Billy Conn. Rocky Marciano was only 185 when he beat Louis as well, but I don't count that fight since Louis was already like 40. I'm thinking a prime Roy Jones Jr. would mop the floor with Joe Louis as well. What ur missing is my point that in a VIDEO GAME, Joe Louis would not be missed. If you create him, I don't care if u max out his power, but u gotta put his footspeed, chin and handspeed low, and give him the standard boxing style.

Dude, you obviously don't know jack about boxing history or give Joe Louis the respect the man deserves. i'm sayin' this now Joe Louis...imo was the greatest HW of all-time...#1. like i said, he would have NO PROBLEM KOing ANY fighter of this decade...and that INCLUDES mini mike. and his HAND SPEED...LOW???

I can GUARANTEE you Louis' attributes would be higher than you think. i wish Brizzo would chime in here. where would he rank???

Ring Magazine's list of 100 greatest punchers of all time

* 1. Joe Louis
* 2. Sam Langford
* 3. Jimmy Wilde
* 4. Archie Moore
* 5. Sandy Saddler
* 6. Julian Jackson
* 7. Jack Dempsey
* 8. Bob Fitzsimmons
* 9. George Foreman
* 10. Earnie Shavers
* 11. Sugar Ray Robinson
* 12. Ruben Olivares
* 13. Wilfredo Gomez
* 14. Rocky Marciano
* 15. Sonny Liston
* 16. Mike Tyson
* 17. Bob Foster
* 18. Thomas Hearns
* 19. Khaosai Galaxy
* 20. Alexis Arguello
* 21. Carlos Zarate
* 22. Max Baer
* 23. Rocky Graziano
* 24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
* 25. Rocky Sekorski
* 26. Danny Lopez
* 27. Gerald McClellan
* 28. Roberto Duran
* 29. Rodrigo Valdez
* 30. Felix Trinidad
* 31. Pipino Cuevas
* 32. James J. Jeffries
* 33. Lennox Lewis
* 34. Bennie Briscoe
* 35. Marvin Hagler
* 36. Edwin Rosario
* 37. Tommy Ryan
* 38. John Mugabi
* 39. Joe Frazier
* 40. Carlos Monzon
* 41. Tony Zale
* 42. Michael Spinks
* 43. Joe Gans
* 44. Elmer Ray
* 45. George Godfrey
* 46. Naseem Hamed
* 47. Alfonso Zamora
* 48. David Tua
* 49. Cleveland Williams
* 50. Julio Cesar Chavez
* 51. Tiger Jack Fox
* 52. Joe Walcott
* 53. Gerry Cooney
* 54. Al Bummy Davis
* 55. Max Schmeling
* 56. Florentino Fernandez
* 57. Henry Armstrong
* 58. Bob Satterfield
* 59. Al Hostak
* 60. Jesus Pimentel
* 61. Eugene Hart
* 62. Lew Jenkins
* 63. Harry Wills
* 64. Tom Sharkey
* 65. Terry McGovern
* 66. Jersey Joe Walcott
* 67. Kostya Tszyu
* 68. Leotis Martin
* 69. Buddy Baer
* 70. Donovan Ruddock
* 71. Jose Luis Ramirez
* 72. Tommy Gomez
* 73. Jose Napoles
* 74. Kid McCoy
* 75. Antonio Esparragoza
* 76. Ricardo Moreno
* 77. Evander Holyfield
* 78. Ike Williams
* 79. Luis Firpo
* 80. Ricardo Lopez
* 81. Humberto Gonzalez
* 82. Bobby Chacon
* 83. Jock McAvoy
* 84. Eduardo Lausse
* 85. Eder Jofre
* 86. Charley Burley
* 87. Mike McCallum
* 88. Salvador Sanchez
* 89. Roy Jones Jr.
* 90. Rodolfo Gato Gonzalez
* 91. Nigel Benn
* 92. Bob Murphy
* 93. Paul Berlenbach
* 94. Battling Torres
* 95. Chalky Wright
* 96. George Chaney
* 97. Andy Ganigan
* 98. Fred Fulton
* 99. Ingemar Johansson
* 100. Charley White

[Po Pimp]

Quote: Originally Posted by Motown

Dude, you obviously don't know jack about boxing history or give Joe Louis the respect the man deserves. i'm sayin' this now Joe Louis...imo was the greatest HW of all-time...#1. like i said, he would have NO PROBLEM KOing ANY fighter of this decade...and that INCLUDES mini mike. and his HAND SPEED...LOW??? I can GUARANTEE you Louis' attributes would be higher than you think. i wish Brizzo would chime in here. where would he rank??? Ring Magazine's list of 100 greatest punchers of all time * 1. Joe Louis * 2. Sam Langford * 3. Jimmy Wilde * 4. Archie Moore * 5. Sandy Saddler * 6. Julian Jackson * 7. Jack Dempsey * 8. Bob Fitzsimmons * 9. George Foreman * 10. Earnie Shavers * 11. Sugar Ray Robinson * 12. Ruben Olivares * 13. Wilfredo Gomez * 14. Rocky Marciano * 15. Sonny Liston * 16. Mike Tyson * 17. Bob Foster * 18. Thomas Hearns * 19. Khaosai Galaxy * 20. Alexis Arguello * 21. Carlos Zarate * 22. Max Baer * 23. Rocky Graziano * 24. Matthew Saad Muhammad * 25. Rocky Sekorski * 26. Danny Lopez * 27. Gerald McClellan * 28. Roberto Duran * 29. Rodrigo Valdez * 30. Felix Trinidad * 31. Pipino Cuevas * 32. James J. Jeffries * 33. Lennox Lewis * 34. Bennie Briscoe * 35. Marvin Hagler * 36. Edwin Rosario * 37. Tommy Ryan * 38. John Mugabi * 39. Joe Frazier * 40. Carlos Monzon * 41. Tony Zale * 42. Michael Spinks * 43. Joe Gans * 44. Elmer Ray * 45. George Godfrey * 46. Naseem Hamed * 47. Alfonso Zamora * 48. David Tua * 49. Cleveland Williams * 50. Julio Cesar Chavez * 51. Tiger Jack Fox * 52. Joe Walcott * 53. Gerry Cooney * 54. Al Bummy Davis * 55. Max Schmeling * 56. Florentino Fernandez * 57. Henry Armstrong * 58. Bob Satterfield * 59. Al Hostak * 60. Jesus Pimentel * 61. Eugene Hart * 62. Lew Jenkins * 63. Harry Wills * 64. Tom Sharkey * 65. Terry McGovern * 66. Jersey Joe Walcott * 67. Kostya Tszyu * 68. Leotis Martin * 69. Buddy Baer * 70. Donovan Ruddock * 71. Jose Luis Ramirez * 72. Tommy Gomez * 73. Jose Napoles * 74. Kid McCoy * 75. Antonio Esparragoza * 76. Ricardo Moreno * 77. Evander Holyfield * 78. Ike Williams * 79. Luis Firpo * 80. Ricardo Lopez * 81. Humberto Gonzalez * 82. Bobby Chacon * 83. Jock McAvoy * 84. Eduardo Lausse * 85. Eder Jofre * 86. Charley Burley * 87. Mike McCallum * 88. Salvador Sanchez * 89. Roy Jones Jr. * 90. Rodolfo Gato Gonzalez * 91. Nigel Benn * 92. Bob Murphy * 93. Paul Berlenbach * 94. Battling Torres * 95. Chalky Wright * 96. George Chaney * 97. Andy Ganigan * 98. Fred Fulton * 99. Ingemar Johansson * 100. Charley White

First off, I have plenty respect for Joe Louis. His accomplishments have yet to be matched and he dominated his era.

Secondly, I know PLENTY about boxing. I've watched countless fights, documentaries, movies, read many books on the sport.

Now with that being said, its not Joe Louis fault he fought in his era...but his style wouldn't translate very well to modern boxing.

Same with any other sport. Only certain great NBA players would be able to compete with todays players. NFL players are faster and stronger too. The only sport where its pretty much an even playing field is golf and baseball.

[Po Pimp]

Quote: Originally Posted by JayBee74

What's wrong with a standard boxing style? Why in the world would you give a low chin and hand speed rating to Joe? In this game you'd also have to give Louis a 94 or so block rating for his technical expertise. I'll ignore the Roy Jones comment.

I'd give Joe a low chin rating because he got ROCKED by smaller fighters (I'm talkin 180-190 range). I'd give him a heart boost though because he didn't stay down. I mean, the man only lost 3 times.

[JayBee74]

Quote: Originally Posted by shevyblaze

Absolute blasphemy, i can pick out 4 fighters in there that i give a **** about. the rest are garbage, we want top class fighters, never heard of half those lists!! Floyd may? been the best p4p fighter for a few years and he ain't worthy? you gotta be joking EA stop being stingy with the money and pay for decent boxers!! sick of this ****tt.. you look forward to a game for a long time then you see this, teasing us with the lists, releasing 10 boxers evryweek like you had some mega surprize at the end of it!! **** sakee

[JayBee74]

Quote: Originally Posted by Po Pimp

I'd give Joe a low chin rating because he got ROCKED by smaller fighters (I'm talkin 180-190 range). I'd give him a heart boost though because he didn't stay down. I mean, the man only lost 3 times.

Evidently you didn't see how many times Schelmling caught him with the right in the first fight. Forget heart although Joe had plenty. If you only get KOed once (not counting the Marciano mismatch) in a long career by an absolute accumulation of punches you have a very good chin. Heart can't stop unconsciousness.

[dnr720]

Quote: Originally Posted by Po Pimp

You don't think a prime Riddick Bowe at 6'5, 240 pounds would beat Joe Louis? I don't wanna hear about him adapting to the times...I'm speaking strictly on what you've seen on film and his fighting style.

A prime Riddick Bowe couldn't beat Andrew Golota. (Golota imploded every chance he got). Louis was an all time great. Compare his legacy to Tyson's it's not even close. Tyson was a beast but not a great champion. He had the skills and tools to be an all time great but fell very short of that mark. Remember Tyson's title reign was not very Long, Joe was the champ for a very long time making 25 title defenses. I agree with a previous poster had Joe had the training and of todays fighters He'd be hell on wheels for anyone,

[Po Pimp]

Quote: Originally Posted by JayBee74

Evidently you didn't see how many times Schelmling caught him with the right in the first fight. Forget heart although Joe had plenty. If you only get KOed once (not counting the Marciano mismatch) in a long career by an absolute accumulation of punches you have a very good chin. Heart can't stop unconsciousness.

And why was Louis repeatedly getting caught with rights huh huh huh? Defensive boxing was not as advanced back then. He stood in one spot the entire fight!

Quote: Originally Posted by dnr720

A prime Riddick Bowe couldn't beat Andrew Golota. (Golota imploded every chance he got). Louis was an all time great. Compare his legacy to Tyson's it's not even close. Tyson was a beast but not a great champion. He had the skills and tools to be an all time great but fell very short of that mark. Remember Tyson's title reign was not very Long, Joe was the champ for a very long time making 25 title defenses. I agree with a previous poster had Joe had the training and of todays fighters He'd be hell on wheels for anyone,

Riddick Bowe was out of shape and lazy when he fought Golata. That was clearly a man who got his millions, but didn't have the desire to be great. The Riddick Bowe that Holyfield fought was a beast.

You are missing the point. Its not about how great you are and your legacy, it's how u would stand up in a current setting. George Mikan was considered one of the greatest centers ever. Do u honestly think George Mikan would dominate say...a current Jermaine O'Neal?

[Motown]

Quote: Originally Posted by Po Pimp

And why was Louis repeatedly getting caught with rights huh huh huh? Defensive boxing was not as advanced back then. He stood in one spot the entire fight! Riddick Bowe was out of shape and lazy when he fought Golata. That was clearly a man who got his millions, but didn't have the desire to be great. The Riddick Bowe that Holyfield fought was a beast. You are missing the point. Its not about how great you are and your legacy, it's how u would stand up in a current setting. George Mikan was considered one of the greatest centers ever. Do u honestly think George Mikan would dominate say...a current Jermaine O'Neal?

Some interesting Quotes about Louis:


"There's never been a boxer better than Joe Louis. You'd take one shot from him and you were sure he'd have seven or eight more coming for you. Certainly Muhammad Ali was the greatest man ever to fight, but not the greatest boxer."
-- George Foreman

"He hit me 18 times while I was in the act of falling."
-- Max Baer

"(I define fear as) standing across the ring from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early."
-- Max Baer

"He was a credit to his race – the human race…"
-- Jimmy Cannon, sportswriter

"Joe Louis is the greatest heavyweight champion of all time. Rocky Marciano is second only to Louis. Where do I rate Ali? Somewhere below me. I beat him, and if I could beat him, no doubt Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano could have beaten him."
-- Joe Frazier

"I just give lip service to being the greatest. He was the greatest."
-- Muhammad Ali

"When you’re a great finisher, you’ll become popular. Joe Louis was a great finisher."
-- Mike Tyson

"Every time I hear the name Joe Louis my nose starts to bleed."
-- Tommy Farr

"Joe Louis, to me, was the finest human being God put on this earth in every way."
-- Angelo Dundee