FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by da professor

After clicking through a few teams roster, I noticed a few problems with these roster ratings. The biggest I noticed was Tryon Smith rated a 76 overall. Everyone has him as a top 5 tackle in the league and at worst a top 10. Travis Frederick is another example...74 run blocking. Way off! He excelled in run blocking last year, but his biggest area of improvement is in the passing game. Some of the ratings are decent, but I think they need to use more analytics from PFF.

I am going to have to disagree with you here.

PFF is a good source to look at advanced breakdowns of statistics for each player on the field. However, PFF does not grade/rate player traits, which is what you need in Madden. This is why converting numbers that are representative of production does not work well in Madden.

If you read our FAQ page, you will find that we only use real NFL scouting data to rate players ie: player traits. These traits directly correspond to many of the ratings you see in Madden, and thus, are comparable.

PFF doesn't tell you how far/fast a QB can throw, how agile a RB is, or how fast a WR is. It also doesn't tell you how well a defender recognizes or diagnoses a play. Instead, it gives you advanced stats based on given situations. PFF is great for looking at a player's tendencies, but is a poor contributor to giving us objective data for calculating a player's traits.

In your examples, you claim that "everyone" has Tyron Smith as at LEAST a top 10 talent at OT. The scouting department that provides my data severely disagrees. Tyron has great athletic traits (STR, SPD, ACC, AGI) but is lacking severely in his ability to run block, especially at the point of attack. He also is not that aware yet, meaning he has some room to grow.

As for Frederick, did you look at his other run-blocking skills aside from his RBK rating of 74? His RBS is 74 and RBF is 73, giving him an average of 73.5 in these two categories. Also, his PBS (77) and PBF (70) average to the same total, meaning in the game itself, his total run and pass blocking talents are quite equal. In addition, PFF can give him a good rating in run-blocking on the individual level (according to one of their featured rookie reports on him), but you must look at this in the context of the entire league because Madden allows you to compare player-to-player traits.

To me, your post reeks of a Cowboys homer who hates seeing players rated low. I get it; I live in Dallas. Every Cowboy fan thinks that every Cowboy player is the greatest ever. I get emails similar to your post every day from people who doubt the system and think that PFF should have some say, when in all actuality, PFF doesn't rate traits; they rate tendencies. Most people don't understand that it takes the trained eye of a scout to see a lot of this stuff, but instead, they want to "Moneyball" everything and turn every stat into something meaningful.

After all, PFF also said that Brad Jones was a better ILB for the Packers than A.J. Hawk was last year. Ask an educated Packer fan if THAT is true. Most have been clamoring for Jamari Lattimore to replace him ASAP because of his recent ineptitude. Now, you don't have to buy into me or the system because I am not going to try to sway you one way or another, but what I would like for you to do is try the rosters out in the game. Then, let me know what you think. Did it help the gameplay? Did the changes in ratings seem to make them matter more? THAT is what matters - advancing how we rate players to make Madden better.

[da professor]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

I am going to have to disagree with you here. PFF is a good source to look at advanced breakdowns of statistics for each player on the field. However, PFF does not grade/rate player traits, which is what you need in Madden. This is why converting numbers that are representative of production does not work well in Madden. If you read our FAQ page, you will find that we only use real NFL scouting data to rate players ie: player traits. These traits directly correspond to many of the ratings you see in Madden, and thus, are comparable. PFF doesn't tell you how far/fast a QB can throw, how agile a RB is, or how fast a WR is. It also doesn't teell you how well a defender recognizes or diagnoses a play. Instead, it gives you advanced stats based on given situations. PFF is great for looking at a player's tendencies, but is a poor contributor to giving us objective data for calculating a player's traits. In your examples, you claim that "everyone" has Tyron Smith as at LEAST a top 10 talent at OT. The scouting department that provides my data severely disagrees. Tyron has great athletic traits (STR, SPD, ACC, AGI) but is lacking severely in his ability to run block, especially at the point of attack. He also is not that aware yet, meaning he has some room to grow. As for Frederick, did you look at his other run-blocking skills aside from his RBK rating of 74? His RBS is 74 and RBF is 73, giving him an average of 73.5 in these two categories. Also, his PBS (77) and PBF (70) average to the same total, meaning in the game itself, his total run and pass blocking talents are quite equal. In addition, PFF can give him a good rating in run-blocking on the individual level (according to one of their featured rookie reports on him), but you must look at this in the context of the entire league because Madden allows you to compare player-to-player traits. To me, your post reeks of a Cowboys homer who hates seeing players rated low. I get it; I live in Dallas. Every Cowboy fan thinks that every Cowboy player is the greatest ever. I get emails similar to your post every day from people who doubt the system and think that PFF should have some say, when in all actuality, PFF doesn't rate traits; they rate tendencies. Most people don't understand that it takes the trained eye of a scout to see a lot of this stuff, but instead, they want to "Moneyball" everything and turn every stat into something meaningful. After all, PFF also said that Brad Jones was a better ILB for the Packers than A.J. Hawk was last year. Ask an educated Packer fan if THAT is true. Most have been clamoring for Jamari Lattimore to replace him ASAP because of his recent ineptitude. Now, you don't have to buy into me or the system because I am not going to try to sway you one way or another, but what I would like for you to do is try the rosters out in the game. Then, let me know what you think. Did it help the gameplay? Did the changes in ratings seem to make them matter more? THAT is what matters - advancing how we rate players to make Madden better.

LMAO, Yes Tyron has room to grow, but not where you have him. That's a joke. It truly shows that your "scouting" is fluffy crap... 16 year old Madden fan with zero football knowledge. Your scouting department is broken or you just hate Dallas...I will look through the rest of teams.

PFF grades every play for every player in every situation, how does that not show their "traits"?

"To me, your post reeks of a Cowboys homer who hates seeing players rated low. I get it; I live in Dallas. Every Cowboy fan thinks that every Cowboy player is the greatest ever. I get emails similar to your post every day from people who doubt the system and think that PFF should have some say, when in all actuality, PFF doesn't rate traits; they rate tendencies. Most people don't understand that it takes the trained eye of a scout to see a lot of this stuff, but instead, they want to "Moneyball" everything and turn every stat into something meaningful.".
LOL. PFF is just one example. You can just watch the game with zero football knowledge to know that the two dudes I mentioned are rated low. Honestly, you can't even defend it without making yourself sound stupid.

[da professor]

There's too many problems with every team. Too many to list. Some rated too high , some rated too low.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by da professor

LMAO, Yes Tyron has room to grow, but not where you have him. That's a joke. It truly shows that your "scouting" is fluffy crap... 16 year old Madden fan with zero football knowledge. Your scouting department is broken or you just hate Dallas...I will look through the rest of teams. PFF grades every play for every player in every situation, how does that not show their "traits"? "To me, your post reeks of a Cowboys homer who hates seeing players rated low. I get it; I live in Dallas. Every Cowboy fan thinks that every Cowboy player is the greatest ever. I get emails similar to your post every day from people who doubt the system and think that PFF should have some say, when in all actuality, PFF doesn't rate traits; they rate tendencies. Most people don't understand that it takes the trained eye of a scout to see a lot of this stuff, but instead, they want to "Moneyball" everything and turn every stat into something meaningful.". LOL. PFF is just one example. You can just watch the game with zero football knowledge to know that the two dudes I mentioned are rated low. Honestly, you can't even defend it without making yourself sound stupid.

Consider this the last time I address you on this issue due to your tone and obvious attempt into dragging me into a flame war. Judging by your response, I take it that I may have been correct by guessing that you are a jilted Cowboys fan, so let me be clear:

I do not alter the data I receive and I stand by the results that FBG Ratings publishes. I merely interpolate the provided primary source material. I hold no grudge against Dallas or any team because I am strictly in the business of providing accurate ratings from a reputable, primary source.

PFF does not state how fast a player is, how strong a player is, how tough they are, how aware, etc. THOSE are traits. PFF analyzes tendencies based on game results and statistics. Look at this recent writeup on Eli Manning.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...s-eli-manning/

Where is his TGH attribute rated? How about his THP? AWR?? SPD??? At the bottom of the page it even gives a summary titled "tendencies". PFF serves its purpose, and the scouting data serves its purpose. To each his own.

I am not knocking PFF, but the data I have says what it says, and that is what will be published. I would LOVE to see Jordy Nelson rated higher than an 83 for my Packers, but I cannot do it because the data does not warrant it yet. You can agree/disagree, but that will not change what is posted on the website. When Smith and Frederick are worthy of higher grades, they will receive them. However, FBG Ratings is run in real-time, so much so that a current injury can drop your rating, even if for a week. If you want all of your players to be rated 90+, I highly suggest using EA's stock Madden rosters - they LOVE over-inflating ratings down there in Florida.

With all this being said, I suggest you start your own website, use whatever material you want, and rate players as you wish. That is the cool thing about the internet - you can publish ANYTHING at little to no cost or responsibility. Best of luck.

[charter04]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Consider this the last time I address you on this issue due to your tone and obvious attempt into dragging me into a flame war. Judging by your response, I take it that I may have been correct by guessing that you are a jilted Cowboys fan, so let me be clear: I do not alter the data I receive and I stand by the results that FBG Ratings publishes. I merely interpolate the provided primary source material. I hold no grudge against Dallas or any team because I am strictly in the business of providing accurate ratings from a reputable, primary source. PFF does not state how fast a player is, how strong a player is, how tough they are, how aware, etc. THOSE are traits. PFF analyzes tendencies based on game results and statistics. Look at this recent writeup on Eli Manning. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...s-eli-manning/ Where is his TGH attribute rated? How about his THP? AWR?? SPD??? At the bottom of the page it even gives a summary titled "tendencies". PFF serves its purpose, and the scouting data serves its purpose. To each his own. I am not knocking PFF, but the data I have says what it says, and that is what will be published. I would LOVE to see Jordy Nelson rated higher than an 83 for my Packers, but I cannot do it because the data does not warrant it yet. You can agree/disagree, but that will not change what is posted on the website. When Smith and Frederick are worthy of higher grades, they will receive them. However, FBG Ratings is run in real-time, so much so that a current injury can drop your rating, even if for a week. If you want all of your players to be rated 90+, I highly suggest using EA's stock Madden rosters - they LOVE over-inflating ratings down there in Florida. With all this being said, I suggest you start your own website, use whatever material you want, and rate players as you wish. That is the cool thing about the internet - you can publish ANYTHING at little to no cost or responsibility. Best of luck.

What cracks me up about the "player A should be rated way higher" guy, is that everything is based on overall ratings within EA's system. They don't even have a good system as far as overalls. Some ratings are weighted way too high while others are too low. I don't care what the overall is in EA's system. I just look at how a player proforms. EA's over inflated ratings should work great for the overall rating guy. Lol

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by charter04

What cracks me up about the "player A should be rated way higher" guy, is that everything is based on overall ratings within EA's system. They don't even have a good system as far as overalls. Some ratings are weighted way too high while others are too low. I don't care what the overall is in EA's system. I just look at how a player proforms. EA's over inflated ratings should work great for the overall rating guy. Lol

The other thing about "player A should be rated way higher" guy, is that ALL of the players have lower OVR ratings! Do you know what the average OVR rating is for the average NFL player in the database of 26,537 players?

50.

50 is the AVERAGE score for a player's OVR rating in the FBG system. So to me, that means that Frederick and Smith are half-way to HOF status already with ratings in the mid-to-high 70s! LOL!

[charter04]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

The other thing about "player A should be rated way higher" guy, is that ALL of the players have lower OVR ratings! Do you know what the average OVR rating is for the average NFL player in the database of 26,537 players? 50. 50 is the AVERAGE score for a player's OVR rating in the FBG system. So to me, that means that Frederick and Smith are half-way to HOF status already with ratings in the mid-to-high 70s! LOL!

I've been a Cowboys fan since 89 and to me I see Romo running for his life all the time so how great can that line be? Lol. Sure Smith is a talent and Frederick has potential but, they play like they should in game to me.

I think the players on the Cowboys defense are overrated if anyone of them is over 50.

[da professor]

Lmao, Doug Free is 10 points higher than Tyron Smith. This is more broken than the default rosters.