Who's worse? Abortion doctor or abortion doctor killer?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 08:21 AM

I have my opinions, but I'm curious as to what others think of this situation.

DaddyTorgo · 06-01-2009, 08:30 AM

isnt' this a rather leading poll question - at least if you read beyond the first "." in each? I'm sure the abortion doctor wasn't performing late-term abortions.

larrymcg421 · 06-01-2009, 08:31 AM

Not even close. The guy who killed the abortion doctor is way worse.

Toddzilla · 06-01-2009, 08:31 AM

This will not end well....

larrymcg421 · 06-01-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

isnt' this a rather leading poll question - at least if you read beyond the first "." in each? I'm sure the abortion doctor wasn't performing late-term abortions.

Actually, he was. He was one of the few abortion doctors that did this.

RainMaker · 06-01-2009, 08:33 AM

I'm against abortion (not legally but would never want someone to do it) but have to say the Pro-Life movement is hypocritical, self-serving, and just plain stupid.

DaddyTorgo · 06-01-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Actually, he was. He was one of the few abortion doctors that did this.

fair enough. i actually hadn't even informed myself about the story at all yet. i saw something on the news for 2.3 seconds but didn't read up on any of the particulars. just looked at the story on cnn and was coming here to say "whoops...guess i was wrong about that."

DaddyTorgo · 06-01-2009, 08:42 AM

that being said

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Originally Posted by cnn article

His patients were "almost always in circumstances where something had gone horribly wrong with a pregnancy," and where a woman's health would be endangered if the pregnancy continued, Brownlie said

Kansas law generally allows abortions even into the third trimester so long as the physician determines the fetus isn't viable. A doctor who makes such a determination after 21 weeks gestation must report the reasons why the determination was made.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

isnt' this a rather leading poll question - at least if you read beyond the first "." in each? I'm sure the abortion doctor wasn't performing late-term abortions.

This doctor did perform late-term abortions. He was one of the few in the nation, which is why he was targeted. The gist of the law is that you have to have health reasons to perform late-term abortions. The doctor used that law to say that anyone with physical OR mental health issues was eligible for late-term abortions. He's been charged with crimes several times over this interpretation of the law, though I'm not sure if they ever got a conviction on those charges.

DaddyTorgo · 06-01-2009, 08:44 AM

Not something I find particularly lovely - but I'm not a medical doctor - if the state allows it, he's acting within the scope of the law.

If he was convicted I presume they would have stripped his license so I'm guessing they weren't.

Like I said - not something I find lovely, or agree with, particularly if the interpertation was "stretched", but I don't believe vigilante justice has any place within modern society. Breaking the social contract and all that.

I hope they put a needle in this scumbag's arm.

KWhit · 06-01-2009, 08:45 AM

Are you fucking kidding me? Why the hell is this even a question?

miked · 06-01-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

This doctor did perform late-term abortions. He was one of the few in the nation, which is why he was targeted. The gist of the law is that you have to have health reasons to perform late-term abortions. The doctor used that law to say that anyone with physical OR mental health issues was eligible for late-term abortions. He's been charged with crimes several times over this interpretation of the law, though I'm not sure if they ever got a conviction on those charges.

This poll is almost as retarded as you are.

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Abortion doctor killer. No matter what the other guy was doing, you don't kill someone in that manner.

How about, regardless of the "manner", killing other humans is wrong. Does one have to be worse than the other? Did you need a poll to see which people agree with your personal feelings (which are fairly evident)? Can I see your statistics that say most of his abortions were borderline mental health of the moms? If he submits these reports to some agency, surely there must be some numbers (not pulled from the conservative blog of the day you are following) that say how many of these fetuses are viable (or terminal, such as Trisomy 18)...

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Not something I find particularly lovely - but I'm not a medical doctor - if the state allows it, he's acting within the scope of the law.

I think that was the point of the charges. The law enforcement wasn't sure whether his interpretation was correct or even legal. I suppose it was as long as the charges didn't stick.

He wore a bulletproof vest a lot of times when he was in public and had been shot in the 90s. He certainly was aware of the danger involved.

Logan · 06-01-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Are you fucking kidding me? Why the hell is this even a question?

I was shocked too...until I saw who started it.

jeff061 · 06-01-2009, 08:49 AM

It's irony on a base level. But you can get a hoot.

JPhillips · 06-01-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I think that was the point of the charges. The law enforcement wasn't sure whether his interpretation was correct or even legal. I suppose it was as long as the charges didn't stick.

He wore a bulletproof vest a lot of times when he was in public and had been shot in the 90s. He certainly was aware of the danger involved.

Good to know he didn't give in to the terrorists.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by miked

How about, regardless of the "manner", killing other humans is wrong. Does one have to be worse than the other? Did you need a poll to see which people agree with your personal feelings (which are fairly evident)?

So what are my personal feelings? Judging from this comment, I'm guessing you're incorrect, but as long as we're assuming what other people think...........

KWhit · 06-01-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I think that was the point of the charges. The law enforcement wasn't sure whether his interpretation was correct or even legal. I suppose it was as long as the charges didn't stick.

He wore a bulletproof vest a lot of times when he was in public and had been shot in the 90s. He certainly was aware of the danger involved.

One could look at this as an indication of his dedication to saving lives of pregnant women whose lives were in danger. And he was killed for it.

KWhit · 06-01-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

So what are my personal feelings? Judging from this comment, I'm guessing you're incorrect, but as long as we're assuming what other people think...........

The fact that you even posted the question as you did proves that you're way off base in your thinking.

Maple Leafs · 06-01-2009, 08:56 AM

Could I just put in a request that everybody make sure this devolves into an entertaining flamewar, and no the predictable and painfully dumb one we usually have about this subject?

RainMaker · 06-01-2009, 08:59 AM

Most pro-life people, including this killer, don't care about saving babies. They care about telling other people what they can and can't do with themselves.

Mustang · 06-01-2009, 09:00 AM

What, no trout killer option?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

What, no trout killer option?

Yeah, probably should have added a 'Trout? Where is Wichita, Kansas?' options. My apologies.

samifan24 · 06-01-2009, 09:04 AM

This thread will not end well.

Logan · 06-01-2009, 09:04 AM

"Who's worse? Abortion doctor killer or MBBF?"

Makes about the same sense.

DaddyTorgo · 06-01-2009, 09:04 AM

in before the boxing/locking...

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

"Who's worse? Abortion doctor killer or MBBF?"

Makes about the same sense.

You stay classy, NYC.

Logan · 06-01-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

You stay classy, NYC.

"Makes about the same sense" wasn't enough of a qualifier?

KWhit · 06-01-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Could I just put in a request that everybody make sure this devolves into an entertaining flamewar, and no the predictable and painfully dumb one we usually have about this subject?

On short notice, but hopefully something like this fits the bill:

Mizzou doesn't want to be forgotten,
So his posts are especially rotten.
He's just a lame Sony fanboi,
Puffing his chest like a man-boy.
Who's worse? Mizzou or Osama Bin Laden?

larrymcg421 · 06-01-2009, 09:10 AM

Who's worse? Abortion doctor killer or guy who makes Special Olympics jokes?

Radii · 06-01-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Could I just put in a request that everybody make sure this devolves into an entertaining flamewar, and no the predictable and painfully dumb one we usually have about this subject?

Sadly I predict nothing new in this thread. Though I expect the flamewar will just be people piling on MBBF until he declares that we're all misinterpreting him and disappears. Maybe an abortion flamewar picks up after that.

Though really I have to give MBBF credit here. Usually someone else starts a topic, there is some discussion and MBBF ruins the thread with some unbelievably asinine opinion/statement, or just as often, a set of "documented facts" that he refuses to link to anyone else, and some otherwise perfectly normal topic devolves into most people rolling their eyes and just backing away to watch the train wreck that follows MBBF everywhere he posts.

Here, we've reached a new level of efficiency, just skipping right over any semblance of normal discussion, just opening things up right there in the initial post/poll with something so fucking asinine that there's really no other reasonable response to this topic BUT to flame him. Well done. Bravo.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Radii

Sadly I predict nothing new in this thread. Though I expect the flamewar will just be people piling on MBBF until he declares that we're all misinterpreting him and disappears. Maybe an abortion flamewar picks up after that.

Though really I have to give MBBF credit here. Usually someone else starts a topic, there is some discussion and MBBF ruins the thread with some unbelievably asinine opinion/statement, or just as often, a set of "documented facts" that he refuses to link to anyone else, and some otherwise perfectly normal topic devolves into most people rolling their eyes and just backing away to watch the train wreck that follows MBBF everywhere he posts.

Here, we've reached a new level of efficiency, just skipping right over any semblance of normal discussion, just opening things up right there in the initial post/poll with something so fucking asinine that there's really no other reasonable response to this topic BUT to flame him. Well done. Bravo.

So you voted for both?

Noop · 06-01-2009, 09:24 AM

The person who killed the doctor.

KWhit · 06-01-2009, 09:31 AM

Noop. The voice of reason.

Noop · 06-01-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Noop. The voice of reason.

Woah. Don't say that out loud I have a reputation I need to up hold.

Sun Tzu · 06-01-2009, 09:33 AM

EA trumps them all.

Passacaglia · 06-01-2009, 09:35 AM

I can't believe how stupid this poll is!!!!

Obviously it should have started with 'what better'

Toddzilla · 06-01-2009, 10:21 AM

Choice #4: The Asshat who started this thread.

Oilers9911 · 06-01-2009, 10:26 AM

It's painfully obvious what the answer is. If the abortion doctor would have just had a price cut like everyone else none of this would have happened.

Fidatelo · 06-01-2009, 10:32 AM

I don't think we can accurately judge this without some kind of VORB analysis of the fetus' in question.

RainMaker · 06-01-2009, 10:37 AM

It is kind of a sad state that this is being celebrated at many right wing websites.

DaddyTorgo · 06-01-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I don't think we can accurately judge this without some kind of VORB analysis of the fetus' in question.

HAHAHA...that took me a second, but good one!

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

It is kind of a sad state that this is being celebrated at many right wing websites.

Don't we have the Patriot Act for purposes like this - I mean this was an act of domestic terrorism (broadly construed) right?

Noop · 06-01-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

It is kind of a sad state that this is being celebrated at many right wing websites.

Did you expect anything different?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

It is kind of a sad state that this is being celebrated at many right wing websites.

One person disagrees with you. I'd love to hear more from that person, but that may not happen.

Big Fo · 06-01-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I don't think we can accurately judge this without some kind of VORB analysis of the fetus' in question.

Brilliant.

panerd · 06-01-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

One person disagrees with you. I'd love to hear more from that person, but that may not happen.

Actually they may be my joke response that I put thinking there would at least be a couple of people selecting option #1. And I wanted you to have more fodder to make some foolish claims about how America is about 50/50 on this issue. Any way I can change my vote?

DeToxRox · 06-01-2009, 11:04 AM

When abortions become illegal maybe it'll be a draw, but the guy is doing his job. This is an absurd question. Now maybe if you asked who's worse, a guy pushing heroin or the guy who killed the heroin pusher, then that is a different story since you know, both did something illegal.

Radical Christians are just as bad as Radical Muslims, but let's be honest, it isn't some widely held belief because one is perdominantly white.

Noop · 06-01-2009, 11:05 AM

This is getting interesting.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

And I wanted you to have more fodder to make some foolish claims about how America is about 50/50 on this issue.

So you believe that I'd make that claim? Just curious.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-01-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

When abortions become illegal maybe it'll be a draw, but the guy is doing his job. This is an absurd question. Now maybe if you asked who's worse, a guy pushing heroin or the guy who killed the heroin pusher, then that is a different story since you know, both did something illegal.

Radical Christians are just as bad as Radical Muslims, but let's be honest, it isn't some widely held belief because one is perdominantly white.

Ah, now we're getting somewhere.............

View Poll Results: Who's worse?
Abortion doctor. Killing babies in the third trimester is a brutal thing.	4	3.08%
Abortion doctor killer. No matter what the other guy was doing, you don't kill someone in that manner.	112	86.15%
Both. I'm glad both of them are out of public life in one form or another.	14	10.77%
Voters: 130. You may not vote on this poll

06-01-2009, 08:30 AM	#2
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06-01-2009, 08:31 AM	#3
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06-01-2009, 08:44 AM	#10
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Not something I find particularly lovely - but I'm not a medical doctor - if the state allows it, he's acting within the scope of the law. If he was convicted I presume they would have stripped his license so I'm guessing they weren't. Like I said - not something I find lovely, or agree with, particularly if the interpertation was "stretched", but I don't believe vigilante justice has any place within modern society. Breaking the social contract and all that. I hope they put a needle in this scumbag's arm. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9 Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 06-01-2009 at 08:46 AM.

06-01-2009, 08:49 AM	#15
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06-01-2009, 08:31 AM	#4
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	This will not end well....

06-01-2009, 08:33 AM	#6
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I'm against abortion (not legally but would never want someone to do it) but have to say the Pro-Life movement is hypocritical, self-serving, and just plain stupid.

06-01-2009, 08:45 AM	#11
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Are you fucking kidding me? Why the hell is this even a question?

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06-01-2009, 08:59 AM	#21
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Most pro-life people, including this killer, don't care about saving babies. They care about telling other people what they can and can't do with themselves.

06-01-2009, 09:00 AM	#22
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06-01-2009, 09:04 AM	#25
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	"Who's worse? Abortion doctor killer or MBBF?" Makes about the same sense.

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06-01-2009, 09:24 AM	#33
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KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Noop. The voice of reason.

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06-01-2009, 09:35 AM	#37
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I can't believe how stupid this poll is!!!! Obviously it should have started with 'what better'

06-01-2009, 10:21 AM	#38
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Choice #4: The Asshat who started this thread.

06-01-2009, 10:26 AM	#39
Oilers9911 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2006	It's painfully obvious what the answer is. If the abortion doctor would have just had a price cut like everyone else none of this would have happened.

06-01-2009, 10:32 AM	#40
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06-01-2009, 10:37 AM	#41
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	It is kind of a sad state that this is being celebrated at many right wing websites.

06-01-2009, 11:04 AM	#47
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	When abortions become illegal maybe it'll be a draw, but the guy is doing his job. This is an absurd question. Now maybe if you asked who's worse, a guy pushing heroin or the guy who killed the heroin pusher, then that is a different story since you know, both did something illegal. Radical Christians are just as bad as Radical Muslims, but let's be honest, it isn't some widely held belief because one is perdominantly white.

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