Smokers

[Joe]

You fucking smell. How can you live in that perpetual state of smelling like ass?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Joe

You fucking smell. How can you live in that perpetual state of smelling like ass?

Most likely with greater ease than you live in that perpetual state of being an ass.

And clearly not nearly as stressed about it either.

[Joe]

probably

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Most likely with greater ease than you live in that perpetual state of being an ass.

and heck, some people pull off both

[AlexB]

As an ex-smoker: yes smokers smell - generally not of ass but of cigarettes (unless of course you habitually blow somke up someone's ass, which I guess is maybe where Joe is getting confused?).

And there is nothing more santimonious than some holier-than-thou twat railing against smokers.

[Deattribution]

No, I have to agree, smokers do smell like ass.

[MizzouRah]

This isn't a thread about smoking a good pork loin?

[st.cronin]

This thread is begging to be parodied.

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by Joe

You fucking smell. How can you live in that perpetual state of smelling like ass?

they don't really realize it. you sort of get used to it.

[Raiders Army]

Overall smokers are better than dippers. They don't leave their spit bottles lying around waiting to get upset and get that dip/spit juice all over your desk or work area.

Most people that I know that are dippers are dippers because they can't smoke inside.

[Crim]

Originally Posted by Joe

You fucking smell. How can you live in that perpetual state of smelling like ass?

Preach it!

[stevew]

I noticed that finally my sense of smell is back after 2.5 years of quitting. The difference is amazing. Yes, you guys stink, but I think you already know that, so no sense in harping on the point.

[Rizon]

Bill Hicks put it best:
"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth."

[cthomer5000]

I love the lack of courtesty to even "air out" for even a second. Many people take their last drag outside and office building and race right into the elevator or something, stinking up the whole fucking place.

[st.cronin]

How do you get your girlfriend to stop smoking?


























use more lube

[stevew]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I love the lack of courtesty to even "air out" for even a second. Many people take their last drag outside and office building and race right into the elevator or something, stinking up the whole fucking place.

Yeah, i hate it when people smoke weed/tobacco in their car, ash it out, and then walk right in to where I work and stink up the joint.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

I love the lack of courtesty to even "air out" for even a second.

I'd say it's more like "lack of interest".
We simply don't really give a damn what you think.

[Galaxy]

Thankfully, at least in NY, you cannot smoke inside restaurants or bars anymore.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

And there is nothing more santimonious than some holier-than-thou twat railing against smokers.

Santamonious? Santanamonious? Santorumonious?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'd say it's more like "lack of interest".
We simply don't really give a damn what you think.

No offense, but it's sounds more like lack of class or common courtesy.

Just saying.

[cuervo72]

Well, we could not give a damn if they die of lung cancer.

*shurg*

(Tidbit: my grandmother died of lung cancer a few years ago. She was not a smoker, but I believe my grandfather had been one [he died in 1980]. She was just a *tad* bitter about that.)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

No offense, but it's sounds more like lack of class or common courtesy.

I don't believe "common courtesy" extends to discomfitting myself in some way.

Doesn't it generally apply more to cases where there's no cost to the person exercising it; i.e. it costs nothing to provide some benefit/concession to the recipient?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Well, we could not give a damn if they die of lung cancer.

Shurg indeed. At no time have I asked you to care one iota.

[cuervo72]

Understood. I don't figure smokers are looking for pity. Smokers know the risks. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, right?

[Radii]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'd say it's more like "lack of interest".
We simply don't really give a damn what you think.

Yeah, that's a bit too far for me. There are a couple people, maybe its the cigarettes they smoke, maybe its the "air out" thing, I have no idea, but when they come back inside after a smoke I have to leave the room for a good 10 minutes or so. I don't care that they smoke, hell, I've dated smokers before, but if you have control over that level of odor and choose to do nothing about it you're an ass(generic you, not *you* you jimga).

This isn't about smoking, if you microwave popcorn in the office and you burn it and you take it out of the break room and to your desk and the odor effects everyone within a 10 cubicle square, you're also an ass.

[stevew]

People who cook that stankin' smelling japanese Ramen shit in a public break room are also asses.

[cuervo72]

Oh, forgot tidbit #2: my other grandmother has smoked probably since the war, and is rolling along just fine at 80.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Radii

... but when they come back inside after a smoke I have to leave the room for a good 10 minutes or so.

I just don't see how that becomes their problem.
That's your problem.

There's no shortage of things I find at least equally unpleasant that other people do, yet I really don't see a whole lot of energy, nay, any expended on their part to avoid that discomfort for me (else there'd be a lot lot fewer Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers still visible in Athens area.) So why on earth would or should I be expected to make more effort than they're making?

[Easy Mac]

the only argument I have is that some people are allergic to smoke and the particles contained in it, therefore it could be seen as a human health issue (although the current thread argument seems to be centered on odor) whereas bumper stickers are more of a personal preference having no tangible impact on one's physical wellbeing (although having a kerry-edwards sticker can be a sign of mental deficiency, therefore endangering everyone else on the road).

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I just don't see how that becomes their problem.
That's your problem.

There's no shortage of things I find at least equally unpleasant that other people do, yet I really don't see a whole lot of energy, nay, any expended on their part to avoid that discomfort for me (else there'd be a lot lot fewer Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers still visible in Athens area.) So why on earth would or should I be expected to make more effort than they're making?

I'm trying to stay out of this disagreement, but I'm curious...

How would you feel about someone in an office environment that had unbearable Body Odor?

[Easy Mac]

Brut
... wait you want an improvement, right.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

having no tangible impact on one's physical wellbeing

You obviously haven't been checking my blood pressure.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'd say it's more like "lack of interest".
We simply don't really give a damn what you think.

Evidentally you do since you seem to be posting in this thread quite often.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by wade moore

How would you feel about someone in an office
environment that had unbearable Body Odor?

I worked in radio for more than a decade. Surely you don't think I haven't been through that particular situation more than once.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Evidentally you do since you seem to be posting in this thread quite often.

Don't overestimate that. I'm so bored I'm also watching Dallas & Seattle, but that <=> actually caring about it.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I worked in radio for more than a decade. Surely you don't think I haven't been through that particular situation more than once.

And....? Did you not think it was incredibly rude?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by wade moore

And....? Did you not think it was incredibly rude?

After a while, you just take it for granted. It's part & parcel of that person.
There's also a rather obvious difference.

Barring something like an allergic condition that prevents the wearing of deodorant (or unless you want to count the $2.39 pricetag), there's not a real negative or cost incurred by the olfactory offender.

In the case of the smokers, or at least in the situations that seem to be most of the discussion here, there's either the cost of significant time loss to "decontaminate" before entering whatever space and/or the discomfort of not having that particular smoke.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

After a while, you just take it for granted. It's part & parcel of that person.
There's also a rather obvious difference.

Barring something like an allergic condition that prevents the wearing of deodorant (or unless you want to count the $2.39 pricetag), there's not a real negative or cost incurred by the olfactory offender.

In the case of the smokers, or at least in the situations that seem to be most of the discussion here, there's either the cost of significant time loss to "decontaminate" before entering whatever space and/or the discomfort of not having that particular smoke.

There's significant time lost to shower. To lose weight so you're not a fat slob (i'm guessing with the case of DJ's this is often the issue). Time lost to do laundry. Etc...

I personally feel like these are VERY close parrellel's.

I'm not saying I shoudl be able to stop someone from smoking because of this, i'm just saying these are very parrellel situations and should be viewed as essentially the same.

If you want another example, you could maybe use someone using strong/awful cologne/perfume.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I just don't see how that becomes their problem.
That's your problem.

I didn't say it was their problem. I said if they have that little concern for how their habits(good or bad, I'm tryign to make it *real* damn clear i'm not judging smokers here, because for many people that seems to be what sets off the hate) effect the people around them, then I will consider them to be assholes and will treat them as such.

I'm around smokers a lot, I'm talking about two specific people I know out of 15-20 smokers that return to the office/poker game with such an odor that myself and a couple other people will not be around them when they come back in. The guy at the poker game we've mentioned the odor when he comes back and he makes it very clear that he doesn't give a shit that it causes problems for everyone else around him. If he wasn't the worst poker player in the game I am sure he would not be invited back.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Radii

I'm talking about two specific people I know out of 15-20 smokers that return to the office/poker game with such an odor

Just off hand, I'm wondering if they smoke some of the generic/bargain/off brands that are out there. There are some of those that do seem to have a different smell, one that seems ... I dunno, "stale" is the closest word I can come up with.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

the only argument I have is that some people are allergic to smoke and the particles contained in it, therefore it could be seen as a human health issue

There are alot of things that people are allergic to. I become nauseous and get a headache when stuck around someone that wears a high level of cologne or perfume yet no one cares about them.. yet, smell like a chimney and people want to take a chainsaw to you just because it is ingrained in our culture now to despise smokers.

[headtrauma]

Is it legal to not hire someone becuase they smoke? I assume it is legal. Just wondering.

[RedKingGold]

Smoker = good oral sex?

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Smoker = good oral sex?

Not while they are smoking...

[RedKingGold]

Oh, btw; Nick Saban has confirmed that he will definitely not start smoking any time soon.

Light up, baby!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Smoker = good oral sex?

Not a reliable predictor.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Not a reliable predictor.

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Good, I can make the g/f quit smoking now with a good conscience.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by headtrauma

Is it legal to not hire someone becuase they smoke? I assume it is legal. Just wondering.

They are not a protected class.

[st.cronin]

It's a poor predictor for skill, but something of a predictor for enthusiasm or willingness.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Joe

They are not a protected class.

Why is there a mass crowd of people outside my apartment chanting, "GENOCIDE!, GENOCIDE!"