College Football Week 7 discussion

cartman · 10-13-2009, 09:40 AM

Five straight days this week with at least one college game. The week kicks off tonight with a Sun Belt matchup between Arkansas State and Louisiana-Monroe. Wednesday has Boise State taking on Tulsa, Thursday's game will be a big one, Cincinnati at South Florida, and Friday's game will be Pitt at Rutgers.

Four games on Saturday will be Top 25 matchups

Texas v. Oklahoma
USC at Notre Dame
Virginia Tech at Georgia Tech
South Carolina at Alabama

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-13-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Four games on Saturday will be Top 25 matchups

Texas v. Oklahoma
USC at Notre Dame
Virginia Tech at Georgia Tech
South Carolina at Alabama

I'm assuming you're using the AP poll. Mizzou @ Okie St. is a top 25 matchup if using the coaches poll. It's also a huge game for both of those teams. Winner is still in play for a division championship. Loser faces a huge uphill climb because 1 loss in the South may not win that division and 2 losses in the North would probably be out of that chase.

Both teams have had some head-scratchers thus far. Should be interesting.

I also think that Texas should easily win the Red River shootout.

sooner333 · 10-13-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Texas v. Oklahoma

You must have meant Oklahoma v. Texas.

MJ4H · 10-13-2009, 10:12 AM

USING THE SAGARIN PREDICTOR RANKINGS ARKANSAS VS FLORIDA IS A TOP 25 MATCHUP I ASSUME YOU ARENT USING THAT

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-13-2009, 10:20 AM

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USING THE SAGARIN PREDICTOR RANKINGS ARKANSAS VS FLORIDA IS A TOP 25 MATCHUP I ASSUME YOU ARENT USING THAT

It's probably more accurate than either poll to be honest.

MJ4H · 10-13-2009, 10:46 AM

heh I agree.

Radii · 10-13-2009, 10:48 AM

Virginia Tech is only a 3 point favorite against Georgia Tech. This seems low.

Swaggs · 10-13-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

It's probably more accurate than either poll to be honest.

Nebraska at #7?

Logan · 10-13-2009, 11:03 AM

Can't wait for Friday. Hopefully the 5th in a row against Pitt.

Alan T · 10-13-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Radii

Virginia Tech is only a 3 point favorite against Georgia Tech. This seems low.

Doesn't matter when Georgia Tech wins by 14!

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-13-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Nebraska at #7?

I don't agree with that necessarily, but I like that it seems to take performance into play more than the voter rankings that heavily favor name recognition. Nebraska deserves that ranking because they beat Mizzou on the road. They'll obviously have to continue to win to keep that ranking.

Butter · 10-13-2009, 11:17 AM

cartman, you are not allowed to start this thread, how am I supposed to know who Missouri, who is in the top 45, is playing?

Butter · 10-13-2009, 11:17 AM

Oh wait I just read post #2, thank God we got that cleared up.

duckman · 10-13-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sooner333

You must have meant Oklahoma v. Texas.

Tuck Fexas!

Big Fo · 10-13-2009, 11:53 AM

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USC at Notre Dame

If only the Transitive Property of Inequalities applied to sport (Wash. > USC, ND > Wash., so ND > USC). In reality ND is a 10 point underdog at home.

cartman · 10-13-2009, 11:53 AM

I heard that Stoops is only going to dress 25 players for the game on Saturday. The rest will have to put on their uniforms themselves.

Radii · 10-13-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Doesn't matter when Georgia Tech wins by 14!

I definitely hope to be wrong on this one

duckman · 10-13-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I heard that Stoops is only going to dress 25 players for the game on Saturday. The rest will have to put on their uniforms themselves.

Awesome!

gstelmack · 10-13-2009, 12:14 PM

Really looking forward to the Cincy / South Florida game Thursday. Will South Florida get over the hump, or did they peak against FSU and are ready for their annual meltdown?

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-13-2009, 01:09 PM

Word is that Bryant won't be available for the MU game this weekend. Big break for Mizzou if that is the case.

RomaGoth · 10-13-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Really looking forward to the Cincy / South Florida game Thursday. Will South Florida get over the hump, or did they peak against FSU and are ready for their annual meltdown?

I am not convinced that South Florida is all that good, and even less convinced that Cinci will lose a game this season.

Logan · 10-13-2009, 01:52 PM

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I am not convinced that South Florida is all that good, and even less convinced that Cinci will lose a game this season.

Oh boy.

RomaGoth · 10-13-2009, 02:20 PM

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Oh boy.

What? I don't think South Florida is especially fantastic, and I see Cincinnati winning all their games. Something about that confusing to you?

sooner333 · 10-13-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Word is that Bryant won't be available for the MU game this weekend. Big break for Mizzou if that is the case.

Well, he's been ruled ineligible for the season. So yeah, not likely availible.

gstelmack · 10-13-2009, 02:33 PM

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I am not convinced that South Florida is all that good, and even less convinced that Cinci will lose a game this season.

At the moment, I tend to agree. The FSU win is looking worse and worse. The South Florida offense is okay but not special, but the defense may be really, really good, we just don't know yet as we aren't sure if they've been tested (again, FSU looked like a real test at the time, now maybe not). This game should give us that answer.

Cuckoo · 10-13-2009, 02:38 PM

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I heard that Stoops is only going to dress 25 players for the game on Saturday. The rest will have to put on their uniforms themselves.

Why did Texas replace the turf on their field with cardboard? They're a much better team on paper.

Logan · 10-13-2009, 02:42 PM

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What? I don't think South Florida is especially fantastic, and I see Cincinnati winning all their games. Something about that confusing to you?

Just reflecting back on our week 1 conversation, that's all.

RomaGoth · 10-13-2009, 03:33 PM

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Just reflecting back on our week 1 conversation, that's all.

In the week 1 thread, I stated that Cincinnati is a decent/good team. I am now stating that after 5 games, they are probably going to go undefeated as West Virginia appears to be the only team capable of beating them at this point. I also stated that USF is a decent team, and they are now 5-0 as well. I just don't think, from what I have seen so far, that they are as good as Cincinnati and could very well lose the next 4 games on their schedule. Not sure how this is much different than what I am saying now compared to in week 1.

I was, however, a little harsh towards WVU, and I apologize for that. I don't think they are what they have been in the past, but they are still a good team.

cartman · 10-13-2009, 05:05 PM

I was worried a little about the chance of Texas not winning, until I heard Bob Stoops tell his team to approach the Red River Shootout like it was a BCS game.

tarcone · 10-13-2009, 05:07 PM

Iowa travels to Wisconsin. Huge game for the Hawks as wiskie is playing better.

GO HAWKS

duckman · 10-13-2009, 05:59 PM

Mack Brown told the press that he was praying for his Savior to help him win another conference title, but Vince Young was not available.

Atocep · 10-13-2009, 07:39 PM

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I was, however, a little harsh towards WVU, and I apologize for that. I don't think they are what they have been in the past, but they are still a good team.

This team is very comparable to the '05 and '06 teams, IMO. The big difference is the Big East is much better from top to bottom as Pitt, Cincy, South Florida, Rutgers, and UConn are all better and only Louisville has slipped.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-13-2009, 07:59 PM

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Well, he's been ruled ineligible for the season. So yeah, not likely availible.

Not totally accurate. The NCAA has suspended him indefinitely, but OSU is appealing the ruling and may have a case. The appeal should be heard relatively soon, so he could be back in the next 2-3 weeks depending on the final ruling.

DeToxRox · 10-13-2009, 08:08 PM

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I was worried a little about the chance of Texas not winning, until I heard Bob Stoops tell his team to approach the Red River Shootout like it was a BCS game.

Cartman is just bringing the pain.

Balldog · 10-13-2009, 08:39 PM

I'm interested in seeing how Tressel responds to Pryor being critical of his play calling.

I enjoyed watching Pryor throw up his arms and shake his head like WTF when they called another run play last week, even though Pryor was 1 for 8 at that point in the game.

Actually I expect to see Pryor put up huge numbers the next three weeks then suck donkey dick in November.

DeToxRox · 10-13-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Balldog

I'm interested in seeing how Tressel responds to Pryor being critical of his play calling.

I enjoyed watching Pryor throw up his arms and shake his head like WTF when they called another run play last week, even though Pryor was 1 for 8 at that point in the game.

Actually I expect to see Pryor put up huge numbers the next three weeks then suck donkey dick in November.

Sounds good to me!

But seriously, I won't BS you and say I didn't want Pryor, because I did, but I had apprehensions based on stories that surrounded his attitude. It seems like right now he isn't doing much to disprove them. Kid is still the sickest athlete in college football, but between the ears there is a lot to be desired.

BishopMVP · 10-13-2009, 09:08 PM

Overall record 9-11 (I blame the Wisconsin coach for not kicking the FG on 4th and 15)

Boise St. @ Tulsa (+9) ESPN 8pm Wednesday - Tulsa's 4-1, the only loss being a 45-0 whitewashing vs. Oklahoma. The Fresno win is looking better after Ryan Mathews' continued stellar performance, and I'm thinking Boise's performance vs. UC-Davis was a classic case of playing down to the opponent and a prime-time game will see them win by double digits again. I'll still be rooting for Tulsa and hoping I'm wrong.

Cincinnati @ South Florida (-2.5) ESPN 7:30 Thursday - South Florida opened as a 1.5 favorite and the line's been moving their way and I can't really figure out why. Maybe it's based off the forecast of thunderstorms, but I don't really see that slowing down Cincy's offense too much. According to every computer system, it has been by far the best offense in the country (not taking into account SoS), and Cincy's only real offensive problem has been very low time of possession - partly because their run defense is weak (although that was against Ryan Matthews and Jacquizz Rodgers, 2 of the best backs in college), but mostly because they score so quick, which I really don't think is that big a problem at all. We know USF's defense is going to show up in a night game at home vs. a top 10 team, but the offense only put up 17 points vs. an FSU defense that was obliterated twice this year, and they only beat Syracuse by 14 despite 5 picks by Paulus and 7 turnovers overall by the 'Cuse.

BishopMVP · 10-13-2009, 09:14 PM

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But seriously, I won't BS you and say I didn't want Pryor, because I did, but I had apprehensions based on stories that surrounded his attitude. It seems like right now he isn't doing much to disprove them.

On the one hand, yes. On the other, he's probably right. Imagine Pryor in RichRod's offense, or Gus Malzahn's or Urban Meyer's. I don't understand why Tressel doesn't spread the field and utilize Pryor's clear athletic advantage more. Look at how easily Vince Young (of the 8 on the Wonderlic fame) dominated basically running a read option play for half of UT's offense. Pryor would destroy teams like Iowa with that.

Balldog · 10-13-2009, 09:26 PM

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On the one hand, yes. On the other, he's probably right. Imagine Pryor in RichRod's offense, or Gus Malzahn's or Urban Meyer's. I don't understand why Tressel doesn't spread the field and utilize Pryor's clear athletic advantage more. Look at how easily Vince Young (of the 8 on the Wonderlic fame) dominated basically running a read option play for half of UT's offense. Pryor would destroy teams like Iowa with that.

Problem with Pryor is he doesn't take what the defense gives him, he can almost always get at least 5 yards but he always tries for the homerun then ends up losing yards or getting a minimal game. He's just immature, he doesn't get it...you'll see him start bitching at a WR even though he air mailed him by 20 yards. I'd love to see Tressel bench him, if nothing more than to send a message. Supposedly he is the hardest worker and spends the most time in the film room but you wouldn't know it by watching him play.

Also I'd like to see them run bubble screen plays to get the ball to Posey, Carter, Small, etc. in the open field.

Balldog · 10-13-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Sounds good to me!

But seriously, I won't BS you and say I didn't want Pryor, because I did, but I had apprehensions based on stories that surrounded his attitude. It seems like right now he isn't doing much to disprove them. Kid is still the sickest athlete in college football, but between the ears there is a lot to be desired.

Even if he does suck, I think the defense is good enough to allow them to win out. Unless Pryor throws a bunch of pick sixes.

Butter · 10-14-2009, 08:58 AM

Pryor is purt near making me long for the days of Steve Bellisari. He cannot read a defense. Tressel basically gives him one receiver to look for per play, and if he's not there, he starts scrambling. Teams are looking for this now, so the scramble doesn't work quite as well as it did in year 1.

I was hoping he would've progressed a bit more than this by now.

As Bishop says, they need to go to more of a spread-read option attack and just let him do his thing. But, as Balldog points out, he is still immature enough to gripe at WR's even though he is the one who is missing them. Should be an interesting 2+ years more of Pryor's reign.

Dr. Sak · 10-14-2009, 09:10 AM

Like Detox, I won't lie I wanted Pryor to choose Penn State. But I still have to laugh when announcers say that Pryor has a rocket arm. Compared to what?

He's an amazing talent but I think he needs to be brought down a notch or two for his attitude.

I live only a few miles from where Pryor grew up and the high school he played at plays AA ball. They were state champs two years with him and honestly they had enough talent to challenge for AAA and AAA titles in PA. So he never really had to read defenses. He locked on one WR and if that wasn't there just ran.

I thought by now the OSU staff would have either adjusted their offense to suit him more with the read option or progressed his ability to read defenses.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 10-14-2009, 09:18 AM

Bryant has had his meeting with the NCAA. No word on when the final ruling will occur.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextr...0_Oklaho937141

MJ4H · 10-14-2009, 09:23 AM

Much more important than your AP top 25 and sagarin nonsense is that Arkansas and Florida will be playing for "The Belt" on Saturday. Arkansas has only held "The Belt" one time in history, and that was after defeating LSU in 2007.

What is The Belt, you ask?

The College Football Belt

Actually a pretty cool concept to take and run with like this guy did. Kind of gives a new perspective on the history of college football. Fun to read through how your team has done and such.

oh yeah and FRAMES ALERT

flounder · 10-14-2009, 09:58 AM

That's awesome.

cartman · 10-14-2009, 02:31 PM

Neuqua · 10-14-2009, 02:59 PM

Hah, I love rivalries.

duckman · 10-14-2009, 03:25 PM

Balldog · 10-14-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Like Detox, I won't lie I wanted Pryor to choose Penn State. But I still have to laugh when announcers say that Pryor has a rocket arm. Compared to what?

He's an amazing talent but I think he needs to be brought down a notch or two for his attitude.

I live only a few miles from where Pryor grew up and the high school he played at plays AA ball. They were state champs two years with him and honestly they had enough talent to challenge for AAA and AAA titles in PA. So he never really had to read defenses. He locked on one WR and if that wasn't there just ran.

I thought by now the OSU staff would have either adjusted their offense to suit him more with the read option or progressed his ability to read defenses.

Sadly they think he has progressed well.

Checking in with Ohio State's Nick Siciliano - College Football Nation - ESPN

Passacaglia · 10-14-2009, 05:51 PM

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Sadly they think he has progressed well.

Checking in with Ohio State's Nick Siciliano - College Football Nation - ESPN

Would they really say otherwise in an interview?

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Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Virginia Tech is only a 3 point favorite against Georgia Tech. This seems low.

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cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	I was worried a little about the chance of Texas not winning, until I heard Bob Stoops tell his team to approach the Red River Shootout like it was a BCS game. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

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Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	I'm interested in seeing how Tressel responds to Pryor being critical of his play calling. I enjoyed watching Pryor throw up his arms and shake his head like WTF when they called another run play last week, even though Pryor was 1 for 8 at that point in the game. Actually I expect to see Pryor put up huge numbers the next three weeks then suck donkey dick in November.

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BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Overall record 9-11 (I blame the Wisconsin coach for not kicking the FG on 4th and 15) Boise St. @ Tulsa (+9) ESPN 8pm Wednesday - Tulsa's 4-1, the only loss being a 45-0 whitewashing vs. Oklahoma. The Fresno win is looking better after Ryan Mathews' continued stellar performance, and I'm thinking Boise's performance vs. UC-Davis was a classic case of playing down to the opponent and a prime-time game will see them win by double digits again. I'll still be rooting for Tulsa and hoping I'm wrong. Cincinnati @ South Florida (-2.5) ESPN 7:30 Thursday - South Florida opened as a 1.5 favorite and the line's been moving their way and I can't really figure out why. Maybe it's based off the forecast of thunderstorms, but I don't really see that slowing down Cincy's offense too much. According to every computer system, it has been by far the best offense in the country (not taking into account SoS), and Cincy's only real offensive problem has been very low time of possession - partly because their run defense is weak (although that was against Ryan Matthews and Jacquizz Rodgers, 2 of the best backs in college), but mostly because they score so quick, which I really don't think is that big a problem at all. We know USF's defense is going to show up in a night game at home vs. a top 10 team, but the offense only put up 17 points vs. an FSU defense that was obliterated twice this year, and they only beat Syracuse by 14 despite 5 picks by Paulus and 7 turnovers overall by the 'Cuse.

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Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Pryor is purt near making me long for the days of Steve Bellisari. He cannot read a defense. Tressel basically gives him one receiver to look for per play, and if he's not there, he starts scrambling. Teams are looking for this now, so the scramble doesn't work quite as well as it did in year 1. I was hoping he would've progressed a bit more than this by now. As Bishop says, they need to go to more of a spread-read option attack and just let him do his thing. But, as Balldog points out, he is still immature enough to gripe at WR's even though he is the one who is missing them. Should be an interesting 2+ years more of Pryor's reign. __________________ My listening habits

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Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Like Detox, I won't lie I wanted Pryor to choose Penn State. But I still have to laugh when announcers say that Pryor has a rocket arm. Compared to what? He's an amazing talent but I think he needs to be brought down a notch or two for his attitude. I live only a few miles from where Pryor grew up and the high school he played at plays AA ball. They were state champs two years with him and honestly they had enough talent to challenge for AAA and AAA titles in PA. So he never really had to read defenses. He locked on one WR and if that wasn't there just ran. I thought by now the OSU staff would have either adjusted their offense to suit him more with the read option or progressed his ability to read defenses.

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MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Much more important than your AP top 25 and sagarin nonsense is that Arkansas and Florida will be playing for "The Belt" on Saturday. Arkansas has only held "The Belt" one time in history, and that was after defeating LSU in 2007. What is The Belt, you ask? The College Football Belt Actually a pretty cool concept to take and run with like this guy did. Kind of gives a new perspective on the history of college football. Fun to read through how your team has done and such. oh yeah and FRAMES ALERT __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona Last edited by MJ4H : 10-14-2009 at 09:23 AM.

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