2007 College Football Week 2 Thread

Balldog · 09-06-2007, 06:28 PM

I love Kirk Herbstreit.

Balldog · 09-06-2007, 06:29 PM

If anyone picked the Over on the Louisville-MTSU game, they did well. 21-7, 3 minutes into the game.

Balldog · 09-06-2007, 06:35 PM

Now 21-14 with 10:37 left in the 1st Qtr.

Neuqua · 09-06-2007, 06:35 PM

21-14 5 minutes into the game..

larrymcg421 · 09-06-2007, 07:06 PM

Louisville seems to be abiding by the rules of my Passing Yardage Dynasty.

dawgfan · 09-06-2007, 07:55 PM

Jeebus, will either of these teams start playing some defense? 38-35 in the first half...

larrymcg421 · 09-06-2007, 08:07 PM

You know who I bet is really enjoying this game?

Ray Rice, Pat White, and Steve Slaton

Logan · 09-06-2007, 08:11 PM

Are you fucking shitting me?

ISiddiqui · 09-06-2007, 08:18 PM

DAAAAMN!

And Brohm has 274 yards and 3 TDs in the first half. Yikes!

mauchow · 09-06-2007, 08:35 PM

When I saw the highlights I'm thinking, oh it must be close to the end of the game, time to watch the exciting finish... oh, damn... way off base there, I'll check back in an hour.

Oh, and college games are lasting a lot longer than NFL games, which isn't what should be happening, right?

mauchow · 09-06-2007, 09:11 PM

51-35 in a matter of two minutes... dang fumbles.

Swaggs · 09-06-2007, 09:13 PM

Cincy is looking pretty solid, particularly on defense, against Oregon State.

They are up by 17 right now. A win over a solid (but not great) Pac10 team would be pretty nice for the Bearcats and the BE.

larrymcg421 · 09-06-2007, 09:21 PM

51-42 now, but this whole notion of not going for two until the very end is fucking irritating me.

Sure, it makes sense early in the game to not use the "chart" and as late as the 3rd quarter in most games, that seems like a good move. But in a game where both teams are scoring TD's at will, don't you want to reduce the number of possessions as much as possible?

Aren't the chances of converting a two pointer greater than stopping Louisville more than once?

MrBug708 · 09-06-2007, 09:33 PM

OSU...blah

k0ruptr · 09-06-2007, 10:08 PM

Louisville Offense good, Defense bad, very bad.

Lathum · 09-06-2007, 10:23 PM

As a big time Rutgers fan I loved the Louisville game tonight.

Karlifornia · 09-06-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

51-42 now, but this whole notion of not going for two until the very end is fucking irritating me.

Sure, it makes sense early in the game to not use the "chart" and as late as the 3rd quarter in most games, that seems like a good move. But in a game where both teams are scoring TD's at will, don't you want to reduce the number of possessions as much as possible?

Aren't the chances of converting a two pointer greater than stopping Louisville more than once?

I agree with your post completely. I was thinking most of these thoughts while watching the game.

korme · 09-07-2007, 12:13 AM

Nice going Bearcats. 34-3 over the Beavers (with CJ & TJ on hand, both OrSU '01 alums).

Cincy reaches 2-0 winning both games decisively, pretty nice for Brian Kelly and his team.

MrBug708 · 09-07-2007, 03:47 AM

conferences that play teams currently in the top 25 (not including own conference)

ACC - 9 games

pac 10 - 8 games

SEC - 5 games

big 12 - 5 games

big east - 1 game

big ten - 0 games

k0ruptr · 09-07-2007, 03:50 AM

WAC - 1 game.

RPI-Fan · 09-07-2007, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

51-42 now, but this whole notion of not going for two until the very end is fucking irritating me.

Sure, it makes sense early in the game to not use the "chart" and as late as the 3rd quarter in most games, that seems like a good move. But in a game where both teams are scoring TD's at will, don't you want to reduce the number of possessions as much as possible?

Aren't the chances of converting a two pointer greater than stopping Louisville more than once?

This brings up a question of mine... why do coaches need "The Chart"??? To me, when to go for 2 and when not to is simply intuitive. If I hear you're down by 11, I know right away. To me, it's like asking if a number is even or odd. If I hear you're down by 16, I know right away. Even in less obvious situations, I'm pretty sure I can analyze the scenario faster than if I tried to match up some numbers on a stupid chart.

k0ruptr · 09-07-2007, 04:44 AM

I agree, Coaches shoudn't need a damn chart, they are paid quite a bit and should know when the time is right and isnt.

RPI-Fan · 09-07-2007, 04:46 AM

To me, using "The Chart" demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of the football situation. Given the way that most coaches are control freaks, I'd think that they'd want, for better or worse, to look like they are on top of a major decision like that.

miami_fan · 09-07-2007, 06:09 AM

Is "The Chart" standardized for all coaches?
Does Pete Carroll have the same chart that Charlie Weis has?

I could understand a coach sitting down during the week and making a chart as to when he wants to go for two and when he does not. The idea being that the coach wants to make these decisions during a calm time as opposed to getting caught up in the emotions of the game. If that is the case then it makes sense for a coach to go by HIS chart. Should the coach completely ignore the circumstances of the game? Of course not. I think coaches are conservative by nature and think more about the "automatic" one point they are giving up as opposed to the "extra" one point they would get for a successful two point try. Outside of the rare article (or message board post

) coaches tend not to get ripped for kicking the extra point. But let a coach go for two at the wrong time, then he gets ripped for trying to be too cute.

JeeberD · 09-07-2007, 10:05 AM

Death to Texas Blech! I'll be in the stands in Lubbock tomorrow decked out in orange, getting verbally abused all day long. Hopefully it's as good a game as last year's match-up against Blech was.

st.cronin · 09-07-2007, 11:41 AM

If I were a coach, I would reverse the norm, and go for two every time through the first three quarters, and then look at situations in the 4th quarter.

Blade6119 · 09-07-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

DAAAAMN!

And Brohm has 274 yards and 3 TDs in the first half. Yikes!

Thats just about half of what brennan had in the first half last week

Blade6119 · 09-07-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Nice going Bearcats. 34-3 over the Beavers (with CJ & TJ on hand, both OrSU '01 alums).

Cincy reaches 2-0 winning both games decisively, pretty nice for Brian Kelly and his team.

Brian Kelly was the best non BCS coach the past few years, and cincy made the best hire since florida grabbed Meyer from utah. Kelly is a real rising star, who has won titles everywhere he goes.

larrymcg421 · 09-07-2007, 02:03 PM

The problem is that the consensus has gone from using the chart every single time to never using the chart until the very end of the game. Every time a coach goes for 2 pts. too early, the announcers treat him like he's a rapist. Absolutely no wiggle room.

As for the Michigan-App State game, I thinkt he travesty is not that Lloyd Carr went for two points too soon, it's that his team was 0 for 2 on two point conversions against a Div. 1-AA team.

JonInMiddleGA · 09-07-2007, 02:11 PM

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/art...s_31/index.asp

Big Ten Network scores Dish Network distribution
Michigan may never live down last Saturday’s shocking loss to underdog opponent Appalachian State, but the Big Ten Network will be giving thanks for weeks. The weekend’s most-talked-about game aired on the fledgling BTN and may have spurred the network’s most recent distribution deal, reached yesterday with Dish Network owner EchoStar Communications. According to the agreement, BTN will be available to Dish Network’s America’s Top 100 package subscribers and higher. That puts BTN in 28.5 million households, including an additional 2.7 million in Big Ten school states. BTN has been involved in a heated dispute with cable carriers for months over distribution. The network wants carriage on basic tiers, but the cable carriers argue that there’s not enough appetite for the channel among the general public to justify basic coverage. Public displeasure over not being able to see the Michigan-Appalachian State game, however, may change some minds.

cthomer5000 · 09-07-2007, 03:45 PM

Rutgers will roll tonight.

Karlifornia · 09-07-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

Rutgers will roll tonight.

hmm....Navy a 16 1/2 dog....I just can't take Navy there..I think they'll hang around for a while, but Rutgers will win by at least 20

General Mike · 09-07-2007, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

This brings up a question of mine... why do coaches need "The Chart"??? To me, when to go for 2 and when not to is simply intuitive. If I hear you're down by 11, I know right away. To me, it's like asking if a number is even or odd. If I hear you're down by 16, I know right away. Even in less obvious situations, I'm pretty sure I can analyze the scenario faster than if I tried to match up some numbers on a stupid chart.

Going for 2 twice last week cost Michigan a tie at the end of regulation. Now it probably never should have been in that position, but going for 2 cost them. Same thing happened to the Panthers in Super Bowl 38.

Izulde · 09-07-2007, 04:12 PM

All I gotta say is, I'd loved to have been at War Memorial last weekend watching UWyo stomp Virginia.

cthomer5000 · 09-07-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

hmm....Navy a 16 1/2 dog....I just can't take Navy there..I think they'll hang around for a while, but Rutgers will win by at least 20

Agreed. Rutgers won by at least 30 and shut them out at Navy last year (and I was there, fun times!). I expect a handy beating again tonight, in the realm of 34-7.

larrymcg421 · 09-07-2007, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Mike

Going for 2 twice last week cost Michigan a tie at the end of regulation. Now it probably never should have been in that position, but going for 2 cost them. Same thing happened to the Panthers in Super Bowl 38.

Nope. Going for two twice did not cost them. Missing the two point conversion both times is what cost them.

lordscarlet · 09-07-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

All I gotta say is, I'd loved to have been at War Memorial last weekend watching UWyo stomp Virginia.

Ugh. Virginia needs a quarterback.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-07-2007, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

51-42 now, but this whole notion of not going for two until the very end is fucking irritating me.

Sure, it makes sense early in the game to not use the "chart" and as late as the 3rd quarter in most games, that seems like a good move. But in a game where both teams are scoring TD's at will, don't you want to reduce the number of possessions as much as possible?

What does going for two have to do with reducing the number of possessions? The attempt after the TD is untimed AFAIK.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-07-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Nope. Going for two twice did not cost them. Missing the two point conversion both times is what cost them.

Six of one, a half dozen of the other. If they'd kicked the PATs (and the likelihood is high that they would have made both), then ASU would have only tied the game with their late figgie and Michigan would most likely have gone to OT.

Young Drachma · 09-07-2007, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde

All I gotta say is, I'd loved to have been at War Memorial last weekend watching UWyo stomp Virginia.

It was packed, too. I was in Dallas, but from what I hear..it was a sight to behold. This week, it's Utah State and their quarterback that does everything. They even make that dude punt.

VPI97 · 09-07-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Ugh. Virginia needs a quarterback, head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, running backs, linemen, linebackers, wideouts and a secondary.

Fixed.

larrymcg421 · 09-07-2007, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

What does going for two have to do with reducing the number of possessions? The attempt after the TD is untimed AFAIK.

If you go for two and make it, the score is now 51-43, just a one possession game. If you kick the PAT, it is still a two possession game.

larrymcg421 · 09-07-2007, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Six of one, a half dozen of the other. If they'd kicked the PATs (and the likelihood is high that they would have made both), then ASU would have only tied the game with their late figgie and Michigan would most likely have gone to OT.

And if they made the first two point conversion, they kick the EP on the 2nd one and App State has to go for TD on their last drive. If they miss the first, but make the 2nd, then it's still a tie at the end. There's no reason Michigan shouldn't be able to convert 1 of 2 conversions against App State, especially in a 2nd half they had been controlling up to that point.

Plus, since Michigan had two kicks blocked in the game, I'm not sure those PAT's were as automatic as you're claiming.

General Mike · 09-07-2007, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Nope. Going for two twice did not cost them. Missing the two point conversion both times is what cost them.

Fine. But they still were going for 2 point conversions way too early.

RPI-Fan · 09-07-2007, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Mike

Going for 2 twice last week cost Michigan a tie at the end of regulation. Now it probably never should have been in that position, but going for 2 cost them. Same thing happened to the Panthers in Super Bowl 38.

It's all about probability. Law of large number balances everything out in the end. When you try to "overthink" it too much, and just "take the points", you're trying to beat the law of large numbers which does not work.

lordscarlet · 09-07-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

Fixed.

I didn't get to see the games or a recap, only the box score right as it completed, but I assume you are correct.

General Mike · 09-07-2007, 06:00 PM

Is Sean McDonough a robot?

miked · 09-07-2007, 07:28 PM

RU rah rah!

larrymcg421 · 09-07-2007, 08:25 PM

Ray Rice: 300 or 400 yards against the Louisville defense?

tarcone · 09-07-2007, 08:47 PM

Syracuse Vs. Iowa on the Big Ten Network in High Definition. Saturday night at Kinnick. I am truly feeling orgasmic about this.
Go Hawks!!!!

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09-06-2007, 09:11 PM	#11
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	51-35 in a matter of two minutes... dang fumbles. Last edited by mauchow : 09-06-2007 at 09:11 PM.

09-06-2007, 06:29 PM	#2
Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	If anyone picked the Over on the Louisville-MTSU game, they did well. 21-7, 3 minutes into the game.

09-06-2007, 07:55 PM	#6
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	Jeebus, will either of these teams start playing some defense? 38-35 in the first half...

09-06-2007, 08:11 PM	#8
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Are you fucking shitting me?

09-06-2007, 08:35 PM	#10
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	When I saw the highlights I'm thinking, oh it must be close to the end of the game, time to watch the exciting finish... oh, damn... way off base there, I'll check back in an hour. Oh, and college games are lasting a lot longer than NFL games, which isn't what should be happening, right?

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09-06-2007, 09:21 PM	#13
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	51-42 now, but this whole notion of not going for two until the very end is fucking irritating me. Sure, it makes sense early in the game to not use the "chart" and as late as the 3rd quarter in most games, that seems like a good move. But in a game where both teams are scoring TD's at will, don't you want to reduce the number of possessions as much as possible? Aren't the chances of converting a two pointer greater than stopping Louisville more than once? __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

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09-06-2007, 10:23 PM	#16
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	As a big time Rutgers fan I loved the Louisville game tonight.

09-07-2007, 12:13 AM	#18
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Nice going Bearcats. 34-3 over the Beavers (with CJ & TJ on hand, both OrSU '01 alums). Cincy reaches 2-0 winning both games decisively, pretty nice for Brian Kelly and his team.

09-07-2007, 03:47 AM	#19
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09-07-2007, 06:09 AM	#24
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Is "The Chart" standardized for all coaches? Does Pete Carroll have the same chart that Charlie Weis has? I could understand a coach sitting down during the week and making a chart as to when he wants to go for two and when he does not. The idea being that the coach wants to make these decisions during a calm time as opposed to getting caught up in the emotions of the game. If that is the case then it makes sense for a coach to go by HIS chart. Should the coach completely ignore the circumstances of the game? Of course not. I think coaches are conservative by nature and think more about the "automatic" one point they are giving up as opposed to the "extra" one point they would get for a successful two point try. Outside of the rare article (or message board post ) coaches tend not to get ripped for kicking the extra point. But let a coach go for two at the wrong time, then he gets ripped for trying to be too cute. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

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