Why the hell is only one football game on?

The_herd · 09-21-2003, 12:13 PM

I'm living in Texas now and there is only one game on right now, and its Houston-KC. Is this the only way they can get the Texans ratings? NASCAR, womens soccer, and Dharma and Greg on the other channels. What the hell? When I lived in Germany there were 3 games on at a time. Texas should be ashamed of itself.

vtbub · 09-21-2003, 12:20 PM

Guess that you get two three o'clock games.

FrogMan · 09-21-2003, 12:21 PM

there's also only one game in the Northeast, it's "One fine day" on Fox...

FM

vtbub · 09-21-2003, 12:23 PM

Giants-'Skins at 4 ET/3 CT

Alan T · 09-21-2003, 01:07 PM

Its not the station its the NFL... they have specific rules given to the networks on when and how many games a network can broadcast if your "home market" football team has a home game. My understanding was that it was always in order to increase ticket sales.

RendeR · 09-21-2003, 02:56 PM

Each weekend one network gets to show a doubleheader, morning and afternoon games. while the other only gets one game. They then choose wether to show a 1pm game or a 4 pm game (EST)

When I watched games as a kid there were 2 games on at 1pm and 2 games at 4pm every sunday, once ESPN started showing the late sunday game the NFL saw a drop if viewership. I think they took today's policy on to help boost the ratings by cutting back on one game a weekend.

G-Man · 09-21-2003, 03:10 PM

yeah we only get one game in the am and one in the afternoon out here in the Pacific NW

When I was younger and lived in Virginia, Maryland, Georgia and Florida we got two games in the early and two late games. The NFL is foolish not to televise more of their product like baseball and NCAA Football. In the end this will only hurt the sport, as it has with the Seahawks and the foolish blackout rule when not sold out by Thursday! So ridiculous.

FBPro · 09-21-2003, 03:22 PM

Sunday Ticket

GrantDawg · 09-21-2003, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by FBPro
Sunday Ticket

That's the only way you got to see a football game at 1PM in Atlanta today.

FBPro · 09-21-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by GrantDawg
That's the only way you got to see a football game at 1PM in Atlanta today.

Bummer, but wan't much worth seeing.

Chief Rum · 09-21-2003, 03:53 PM

Same rant, new time.

Ugh...they are showing the Niners-Browns as the only afternoon game here in SoCal. Why are they showing this stupid game? Most people here can't stand the Niners.

Meanwhile, former LA team the Rams are in a critical game up north...and I am watching the frigging Niners-Browns game.

And it ain't a home team thing, because we don't have one. It's just NFL & Networks stupifity.

CR

JeeberD · 09-21-2003, 05:13 PM

In Dallas when the Cowboys are playing that's the only game on. I'm pretty sure it's an NFL rule or something. I'm kinda upset because the only game on right now is the Niners-Browns game. I would much rather watch an important NFC East game such as the Giants-Skins game....

ice4277 · 09-21-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Chief Rum
And it ain't a home team thing, because we don't have one. It's just NFL & Networks stupifity.

CR

Actually you have your local CBS affiliate to blame for that; they have the final say on which game is aired in your market.

lynchjm24 · 09-21-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Chief Rum
Same rant, new time.

Ugh...they are showing the Niners-Browns as the only afternoon game here in SoCal. Why are they showing this stupid game? Most people here can't stand the Niners.

Meanwhile, former LA team the Rams are in a critical game up north...and I am watching the frigging Niners-Browns game.

And it ain't a home team thing, because we don't have one. It's just NFL & Networks stupifity.

CR

The local affiliate gets to select the game they show.

However in this case because Cleveland is the road team it makes that a CBS game. CBS had the doubleheader, so the only games the affilate could have selected between were the 49ers/Browns or Chargers/Baltimore.

Your local Fox station could have shown you the Seattle/St. Louis game at 4, but then you wouldn't have gotten a 1 o'clock game. I didn't get 1:00 on fox because I got the Giants at 4, but I'm guessing that Atlanta/Tampa Bay was the Fox National game at 1:00.

Chief Rum · 09-21-2003, 06:02 PM

Yeah, I figured CBS had a lot to do with it. That's why I have the "& Networks" in my post.

As to why they give priority in interconference (and thusly, inter-network) games to the road team, I couldn't tell you.

It makes much more sense to me that if one network chooses not to show a game in an area where the other one has a claim to it, than the seond network should have the option of showing that game.

I realize that's not how the contracts are set up. I'm just saying that's the way it should be. It behooves the networks to show the best games for the region they are broadcasting to that they can. These are ridiculous rules leave us with a poorer SUnday show as a result.

CR

Abe Sargent · 09-21-2003, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by RendeR
Each weekend one network gets to show a doubleheader, morning and afternoon games. while the other only gets one game. They then choose wether to show a 1pm game or a 4 pm game (EST)

When I watched games as a kid there were 2 games on at 1pm and 2 games at 4pm every sunday, once ESPN started showing the late sunday game the NFL saw a drop if viewership. I think they took today's policy on to help boost the ratings by cutting back on one game a weekend.

I think that depends on whether you are in a market of a team or not. Before I moved here to Ypsi in the Lions market, I was in Charleston, WV, which isn't in any market. Here in D-town, I get three games per week. In C-town, we always had the four.

-Anxiety

lynchjm24 · 09-21-2003, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by Chief Rum
Yeah, I figured CBS had a lot to do with it. That's why I have the "& Networks" in my post.

As to why they give priority in interconference (and thusly, inter-network) games to the road team, I couldn't tell you.

It makes much more sense to me that if one network chooses not to show a game in an area where the other one has a claim to it, than the seond network should have the option of showing that game.

I realize that's not how the contracts are set up. I'm just saying that's the way it should be. It behooves the networks to show the best games for the region they are broadcasting to that they can. These are ridiculous rules leave us with a poorer SUnday show as a result.

CR

The only way to put a 'true value' on a contract is to know exactly what markets and teams you are going to have. That is why the games are defined the way they are. Fox and CBS pay different amounts for their packages because the NFC is worth more.

Cringer · 09-21-2003, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by FBPro
Sunday Ticket

exactly

bigjdotcom01 · 09-21-2003, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Cringer
exactly

I must say.....after three seasons of The Ticket, I could not imagine not having it anymore.

Celeval · 09-21-2003, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by GrantDawg
That's the only way you got to see a football game at 1PM in Atlanta today.

?

I watched the Falcons get their collective asses handed to them...

...or was the girl's rugby? Couldn't tell.

Kevin

Pumpy Tudors · 09-21-2003, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by Chief Rum
Yeah, I figured CBS had a lot to do with it. That's why I have the "& Networks" in my post.

As to why they give priority in interconference (and thusly, inter-network) games to the road team, I couldn't tell you.

It makes much more sense to me that if one network chooses not to show a game in an area where the other one has a claim to it, than the seond network should have the option of showing that game.

I realize that's not how the contracts are set up. I'm just saying that's the way it should be. It behooves the networks to show the best games for the region they are broadcasting to that they can. These are ridiculous rules leave us with a poorer SUnday show as a result.

I imagine that the road team determines the network because it gives both networks a chance to televise from all NFL cities. For instance, CBS got to visit San Francisco, since the Browns were there. If the home team determined the network, CBS would never televise games from San Francisco or any other NFC city.

That said, there is no such thing as an "inter-network" game. All Sunday afternoon games with AFC road teams belong to CBS. Of course, same rules apply with NFC road teams and Fox.

I know your gripe was about the Rams game not airing in your area, and I understand that. Unfortunately, I believe that the fault belongs to the Fox network on that (I know the local affiliates used to choose which games to air, but I don't think the national network decides which games to air in each market now).

I really don't have a preference either way on the entire issue. I guess I just want to get the facts out there for those who don't know them.

Chief Rum · 09-21-2003, 09:21 PM

I know there's no such thing as an "inter-network" game. I was just coming up with a term for an interconference game that, in the ideal world I painted (which I also acknowledged didn't exist), would possibly be claimed by either network, with the preference of one over the other clearly delineated.

That's why I said I know that's not how the contracts work. I was just suggesting how they should work.

CR

Pumpy Tudors · 09-21-2003, 09:45 PM

Sorry, my mistake. I wasn't sure if I had inferred correctly, and I obviously didn't. I understand exactly what you were saying now.

cuervo72 · 09-22-2003, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by Pumpy Tudors

That said, there is no such thing as an "inter-network" game. All Sunday afternoon games with AFC road teams belong to CBS. Of course, same rules apply with NFC road teams and Fox.

I've seen two posts basically state this same thing, and I don't think it's exactly right. The venue of interconference matchups doesn't determine who has the game - IIRC, the Eagles/Patriots game in week 2 was carried on CBS, even though it was in Philly. I recall seeing somewhere that interconference games are "bid" on by Fox and CBS before the season to determine which has the right to televise the game.

cuervo72 · 09-22-2003, 07:30 AM

Dola -

http://espn.go.com/nfl/s/primeschedule/2003.html

Week 4
Sunday, Sept. 28
Dallas at New York Jets, 4:15 p.m. (FOX)

Week 8
Sunday, Oct. 26
New York Jets at Philadelphia, 4:15 p.m. (CBS)

Week 12
Sunday, Nov. 23
Tennessee at Atlanta, 4:15 p.m. (CBS)

Week 15
Sunday, Dec. 14
Green Bay at San Diego, 4:15 p.m. (FOX)

Week 16
Saturday, Dec. 20
Kansas City at Minnesota, 5 p.m. (CBS)

Alan T · 09-22-2003, 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by cuervo72
I've seen two posts basically state this same thing, and I don't think it's exactly right. The venue of interconference matchups doesn't determine who has the game - IIRC, the Eagles/Patriots game in week 2 was carried on CBS, even though it was in Philly. I recall seeing somewhere that interconference games are "bid" on by Fox and CBS before the season to determine which has the right to televise the game.

I think you actually proved Pumpy was correct

He said what I believe is true as well. Its the road team's network that gets game in inter-conference matchups. NFC team at AFC is on Fox. AFC team at NFC is on CBS.. All your schedules and examples showed the same (ie Pats at Eagles was on CBS)

ice4277 · 09-22-2003, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by Alan T
I think you actually proved Pumpy was correct

He said what I believe is true as well. Its the road team's network that gets game in inter-conference matchups. NFC team at AFC is on Fox. AFC team at NFC is on CBS.. All your schedules and examples showed the same (ie Pats at Eagles was on CBS)

This is the correct answer.

cuervo72 · 09-22-2003, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by Alan T
I think you actually proved Pumpy was correct

He said what I believe is true as well. Its the road team's network that gets game in inter-conference matchups. NFC team at AFC is on Fox. AFC team at NFC is on CBS.. All your schedules and examples showed the same (ie Pats at Eagles was on CBS)

Whoops! I read that as him saying the home team determines the network (must have been clouded by the other post). My apologies, Pumpy! I wonder how long it's been like that, I could have sworn it was different in past seasons, or maybe I'm just imagining things.

Alan T · 09-22-2003, 08:08 AM

I cant remember for the life of me what it was like when it was CBS and NBC doing the games or NBC and FOX.. but I believe its been like this for quite a while now..

Thomkal · 09-22-2003, 08:18 AM

You people need to move to South Carolina.

We have two Fox affiliates that we get here in the Myrtle Beach area, and two CBS ones. Today one Fox affiliate showed a game at 1pm, the other at 4pm. CBS often shows two different games on their affiliates down here too.

GrantDawg · 09-22-2003, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by Celeval
?

I watched the Falcons get their collective asses handed to them...

...or was the girl's rugby? Couldn't tell.

Kevin

You missunderstand me. I supposed football game was on, but since only one team showed up...

09-21-2003, 12:20 PM	#2
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	Guess that you get two three o'clock games. __________________

09-21-2003, 12:21 PM	#3
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	there's also only one game in the Northeast, it's "One fine day" on Fox... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

09-21-2003, 12:23 PM	#4
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	Giants-'Skins at 4 ET/3 CT __________________

09-21-2003, 01:07 PM	#5
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Its not the station its the NFL... they have specific rules given to the networks on when and how many games a network can broadcast if your "home market" football team has a home game. My understanding was that it was always in order to increase ticket sales. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

09-21-2003, 02:56 PM	#6
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Each weekend one network gets to show a doubleheader, morning and afternoon games. while the other only gets one game. They then choose wether to show a 1pm game or a 4 pm game (EST) When I watched games as a kid there were 2 games on at 1pm and 2 games at 4pm every sunday, once ESPN started showing the late sunday game the NFL saw a drop if viewership. I think they took today's policy on to help boost the ratings by cutting back on one game a weekend. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-21-2003, 03:10 PM	#7
G-Man High School JV Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle, Washington	yeah we only get one game in the am and one in the afternoon out here in the Pacific NW When I was younger and lived in Virginia, Maryland, Georgia and Florida we got two games in the early and two late games. The NFL is foolish not to televise more of their product like baseball and NCAA Football. In the end this will only hurt the sport, as it has with the Seahawks and the foolish blackout rule when not sold out by Thursday! So ridiculous. __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

09-21-2003, 03:22 PM	#8
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09-21-2003, 03:53 PM	#11
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Same rant, new time. Ugh...they are showing the Niners-Browns as the only afternoon game here in SoCal. Why are they showing this stupid game? Most people here can't stand the Niners. Meanwhile, former LA team the Rams are in a critical game up north...and I am watching the frigging Niners-Browns game. And it ain't a home team thing, because we don't have one. It's just NFL & Networks stupifity. CR __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

09-21-2003, 05:13 PM	#12
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	In Dallas when the Cowboys are playing that's the only game on. I'm pretty sure it's an NFL rule or something. I'm kinda upset because the only game on right now is the Niners-Browns game. I would much rather watch an important NFC East game such as the Giants-Skins game.... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

09-21-2003, 06:02 PM	#15
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Yeah, I figured CBS had a lot to do with it. That's why I have the "& Networks" in my post. As to why they give priority in interconference (and thusly, inter-network) games to the road team, I couldn't tell you. It makes much more sense to me that if one network chooses not to show a game in an area where the other one has a claim to it, than the seond network should have the option of showing that game. I realize that's not how the contracts are set up. I'm just saying that's the way it should be. It behooves the networks to show the best games for the region they are broadcasting to that they can. These are ridiculous rules leave us with a poorer SUnday show as a result. CR __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

09-21-2003, 09:21 PM	#22
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I know there's no such thing as an "inter-network" game. I was just coming up with a term for an interconference game that, in the ideal world I painted (which I also acknowledged didn't exist), would possibly be claimed by either network, with the preference of one over the other clearly delineated. That's why I said I know that's not how the contracts work. I was just suggesting how they should work. CR __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

09-21-2003, 09:45 PM	#23
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Sorry, my mistake. I wasn't sure if I had inferred correctly, and I obviously didn't. I understand exactly what you were saying now. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

09-22-2003, 07:30 AM	#25
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Dola - http://espn.go.com/nfl/s/primeschedule/2003.html Week 4 Sunday, Sept. 28 Dallas at New York Jets, 4:15 p.m. (FOX) Week 8 Sunday, Oct. 26 New York Jets at Philadelphia, 4:15 p.m. (CBS) Week 12 Sunday, Nov. 23 Tennessee at Atlanta, 4:15 p.m. (CBS) Week 15 Sunday, Dec. 14 Green Bay at San Diego, 4:15 p.m. (FOX) Week 16 Saturday, Dec. 20 Kansas City at Minnesota, 5 p.m. (CBS) __________________ null

09-22-2003, 08:08 AM	#29
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I cant remember for the life of me what it was like when it was CBS and NBC doing the games or NBC and FOX.. but I believe its been like this for quite a while now.. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

09-22-2003, 08:18 AM	#30
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	You people need to move to South Carolina. We have two Fox affiliates that we get here in the Myrtle Beach area, and two CBS ones. Today one Fox affiliate showed a game at 1pm, the other at 4pm. CBS often shows two different games on their affiliates down here too. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

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