Laid Off

Franklinnoble · 11-14-2003, 07:32 PM

Just got axed today... company slashed this year's IT budget.

Of course, the worst part is no FOF2k4 for a while.

Oh, and I'm done with the "Franklin" handle. It must be cursed...

MrBug708 · 11-14-2003, 07:34 PM

Sorry dude.

Didn't get FOF2004 in time huh?

Nyarlahotep · 11-14-2003, 07:43 PM

Sorry to hear it man.

Dutch · 11-14-2003, 07:57 PM

That sucks, sorry to hear that. Now get to job hunting pronto!

Philliesfan980 · 11-14-2003, 08:11 PM

If you have plenty of experience, I'm sure you'll be fine.

FrogMan · 11-14-2003, 08:12 PM

sorry to hear the bad news.

Best of luck!

FM

Glengoyne · 11-14-2003, 08:16 PM

Best of Luck "F"man.

ShovelMonkey · 11-14-2003, 08:17 PM

I work for a construction company on a paving crew and get laid off every year around Thanks Giving. I draw max un-employment and usually go back around the 1st of April, God I love my winter vacation.

Sign up for unemployment and unless it's a major paycut don't rush going back to work...think of it as paid vacation...

mrskippy · 11-14-2003, 08:25 PM

If you've got a BA, go take the CBEST and than apply to be a substitute teacher. Since you're in California, it shouldn't be too hard to find work. It'll cost you some cash (CBEST, fingerprinting, and permit), but it is worth it.

The Afoci · 11-14-2003, 08:32 PM

Well we all know what needs to be done here. Walk into the place and wax the bastards.

Sorry to hear about this and good luck find the next one.

mrskippy · 11-14-2003, 08:35 PM

You know I almost spit on a newsrack of my former paper the other day. I also flipped the building off when I drove by. Of course, I also said thanks for assisting in my career change. Woohoo!!!

Changing careers was a great decision.

BTW ... if you have or can get Macintosh certification, I know of a school that needs a systems administrator.

CamEdwards · 11-14-2003, 08:42 PM

I'm sorry to hear about it Mr. Noble. Keep your chin up... and let me know if I can do anything to help.

tucker342 · 11-14-2003, 09:56 PM

That sucks dude

Wasabiak · 11-14-2003, 09:56 PM

I was laid off this time last year, so i feel your pain. But like everyone says, keep a good attitude, keep your chin up. Hopefully you find a better job bud.

wbonnell · 11-14-2003, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Just got axed today... company slashed this year's IT budget.

Of course, the worst part is no FOF2k4 for a while.

Oh, and I'm done with the "Franklin" handle. It must be cursed...

What do you do for a living?

MizzouRah · 11-14-2003, 10:17 PM

Sorry to hear this as well. I hope everything goes well for you.

Todd

clintl · 11-14-2003, 10:41 PM

Sorry to hear that.

FWIW, I've been doing some substitute teaching this fall. If you're at all inclined to take mrskippy's suggestion, I can share with you my perspective.

mrskippy · 11-14-2003, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clintl

FWIW, I've been doing some substitute teaching this fall. If you're at all inclined to take mrskippy's suggestion, I can share with you my perspective.

What grades and/or classes have you been subbing?

I personally prefer high school.

Had a great assignment today. Teacher was there when I arrived. She was a babe. Not married either.

BigJohn&TheLions · 11-14-2003, 11:12 PM

Damn. Sorry to hear, it's always rough. Spend the $30 now before you'll need it and this may give you some extra time to build a winner... See, there's always something good to come from the bad!

clintl · 11-14-2003, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrskippy
What grades and/or classes have you been subbing?

I personally prefer high school.

Had a great assignment today. Teacher was there when I arrived. She was a babe. Not married either.

I've taught 1st grade up through high school. I haven't taught any age group enough times to really have a favorite yet.

JeeberD · 11-15-2003, 12:47 AM

Damn, that really sucks dude. Hope you find something new soon...

But on a good note at least now you'll have plenty of time for the Matrix dynasty!

sooner333 · 11-15-2003, 01:41 AM

Haha, in Oklahoma, the qualifications for subbing were going to a 3 hour class and having a high school diploma. That's it. So, with Northwestern having the quarter system and starting in late September, I spent that month substitute teaching at my old high school. Considering that I knew a lot of the kids, it was kind fun/odd. Anyway, usually the teacher leaves a good amount of work and they don't expect you to know anything. Then you just tell the kids to do it and turn it in, or whatever. Just let them talk amongst themselves and they won't cause too much trouble.

Buzzbee · 11-15-2003, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ShovelMonkey
I work for a construction company on a paving crew and get laid off every year around Thanks Giving. I draw max un-employment and usually go back around the 1st of April, God I love my winter vacation.

Sign up for unemployment and unless it's a major paycut don't rush going back to work...think of it as paid vacation...

You know, I'm probably going to come across as a prick, so I apologize in advance.

[rant]
Enjoy your fucking "paid vacation" that the rest of the people in Pennsylvania are paying for. You are obviously physically able to work since you work on a paving crew. Yet rather than find a job and work for your money, you'd rather live off the public tit. Unemployment is intended for people like FranklinNoble who got laid off and need assistance making ends meet until they are able to find another job. Fucking mooch.
[/rant]

FrogMan · 11-15-2003, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
You know, I'm probably going to come across as a prick, so I apologize in advance.

[rant]
Enjoy your fucking "paid vacation" that the rest of the people in Pennsylvania are paying for. You are obviously physically able to work since you work on a paving crew. Yet rather than find a job and work for your money, you'd rather live off the public tit. Unemployment is intended for people like FranklinNoble who got laid off and need assistance making ends meet until they are able to find another job. Fucking mooch.
[/rant]

huh, I may not have used the same wording, but you paraphrased quite well my thoughts...

FM

The Afoci · 11-15-2003, 07:56 AM

I don't know the specific case for ShovelMonkey, but in some cases, they end up working 80-90 hours for the 7-8 months they do work. For that time they have little to no free time. I say live it up.

CraigSca · 11-15-2003, 08:04 AM

He can live it up, but use the funds that he saved during his months of work to have his vacation. I think the point is - why should the state of Pennsylvania subsidize his vacation and not him?

lynchjm24 · 11-15-2003, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Afoci
I don't know the specific case for ShovelMonkey, but in some cases, they end up working 80-90 hours for the 7-8 months they do work. For that time they have little to no free time. I say live it up.

Live it up on someone else's dime. Scumbags.

Raiders Army · 11-15-2003, 09:26 AM

And this is what is wrong with unemployment and welfare. I grew up in Pennsylvania, and there were families that lived on welfare who could've worked, but why? Oh, by the way, what do you think they did for entertainment since they had no money? They screwed and created more little "welfare" babies. And what do you think their kids grew up to be? Welfare recipients. You all can join the Army like me and not worry about getting laid off

ice4277 · 11-15-2003, 09:36 AM

Well, if he IS working 80-90 hours a week for those 7 or 8 months, then it seems to me he should be pulling in enough money to live throughout the year. If not, go find another job.

The Afoci · 11-15-2003, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ice4277
Well, if he IS working 80-90 hours a week for those 7 or 8 months, then it seems to me he should be pulling in enough money to live throughout the year. If not, go find another job.

I am not against reform in the system. But as it stands, he would be a fool not to take the money that is offered to him. As for continued discussion of this, perhaps a different thread should be created. I doubt this is the proper one for this.

Kodos · 11-15-2003, 10:30 AM

Sorry to hear that, Franklin. I hope you find something new soon. Tough time of year to be unemployed.

Franklinnoble · 11-15-2003, 10:31 AM

I don't have a degree. I'm a server systems admin w/10 yrs. exp. I'm sure I'll find something; this is just a shitty time of year to be out of work.

Buccaneer · 11-15-2003, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CraigSca
He can live it up, but use the funds that he saved during his months of work to have his vacation. I think the point is - why should the state of Pennsylvania subsidize his vacation and not him?

Because people expect the government to "do" something.

Buccaneer · 11-15-2003, 10:35 AM

Oh, and Franklin - good luck man.

wbonnell · 11-15-2003, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Afoci
I am not against reform in the system. But as it stands, he would be a fool not to take the money that is offered to him. As for continued discussion of this, perhaps a different thread should be created. I doubt this is the proper one for this.

doesn't make it ethical

sooner333 · 11-15-2003, 11:01 AM

There are a ton of things the government do to give people artificial advantages. Some people really do deserve this money, many people do not. Welfare ought to be reformed to match people with jobs as soon as possible and as soon as they can be trained and placed into that job, the benefits cease. Wisconsin privatized its welfare services to for-profit companies who agressively placed people in jobs, and they ended up making a lot of money that way. Should private companies be making money off of welfare? That's a separate question alltogether. But it does show that the system saves a lot of money and still gets people the jobs they deserve.

wbonnell · 11-15-2003, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sooner333
Some people really do deserve this money, many people do not.

Deserve? That's a strong word.

sooner333 · 11-15-2003, 11:16 AM

Well, by deserve I mean need as well. Only people who need the money deserve the money. It's that simple. Taking a long vacation on the government doesn't really illustrate need to me. I can't say I blame anybody for taking it, even though the morality could be questioned, because it is there for the taking. My point is, that it should not be there for the taking, so something should be done to fix it.

clintl · 11-15-2003, 12:36 PM

As I pointed out in the other thread, unemployment benefits are not welfare. They are an insurance claim for which premiums have been made by the employer for coverage. That doesn't mean that it's not a good idea to require people receiving the benefits to look for work, because that keeps the premium costs down and has other social and economic benefits, but anyone who is qualified to receive benefits should have no guilt or qualms about taking them, any more than they should feel any guilt for making an auto insurance claim even if they have the money to pay for the damage themselves. The coverage has been paid for, and there's nothing wrong with using it.

Bronxbombers · 11-15-2003, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ShovelMonkey
I work for a construction company on a paving crew and get laid off every year around Thanks Giving. I draw max un-employment and usually go back around the 1st of April, God I love my winter vacation.

Sign up for unemployment and unless it's a major paycut don't rush going back to work...think of it as paid vacation...

As a business owner, I have to say how offensive this is. Unemployment is NOT for a goddamn paid vacation. It is to provide a temporary souce of income until you find ANOTHER job, NOT to sit on your fat butt. This is not money you have paid into, does not come out of any taxes, etc. It's a fund that is paid by the employer, and every dollar that someone takes out, the employer has to replace.

I have to go in front of judges at least twice a month because of lazy ex-employees who want to get paid to sit at home and watch television.

Welcome to the welfare/ trailer park crowd. You fit right in...

P.S. This is no reflection on honest folks who live in trailer parks. My wife and I started out that way.

Bronxbombers · 11-15-2003, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
You know, I'm probably going to come across as a prick, so I apologize in advance.

[rant]
Enjoy your fucking "paid vacation" that the rest of the people in Pennsylvania are paying for. You are obviously physically able to work since you work on a paving crew. Yet rather than find a job and work for your money, you'd rather live off the public tit. Unemployment is intended for people like FranklinNoble who got laid off and need assistance making ends meet until they are able to find another job. Fucking mooch.
[/rant]

THANK YOU! These are the words of an honest man...

Bronxbombers · 11-15-2003, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clintl
As I pointed out in the other thread, unemployment benefits are not welfare. They are an insurance claim for which premiums have been made by the employer for coverage. That doesn't mean that it's not a good idea to require people receiving the benefits to look for work, because that keeps the premium costs down and has other social and economic benefits, but anyone who is qualified to receive benefits should have no guilt or qualms about taking them, any more than they should feel any guilt for making an auto insurance claim even if they have the money to pay for the damage themselves. The coverage has been paid for, and there's nothing wrong with using it.

Close... there is no insurance at work here. That is Workman's Comp. This is strictly a fund that the employer MUST keep (and the formula for the fund amount is quite complicated. Took my accountant over 3 hours to get me up to speed.). When an ex-employee pulls money out, the employer MUST replace it. That is why all companies fight this like rabid dogs. Why should a lazy ex-employee get a paid vacation on the companies dime? The original guy who started this whole thread is just a piece of trash, pure and simple.

Funny how we don't see him here defending his views...

finkenst · 11-15-2003, 03:26 PM

Quote:

The original guy who started this whole thread is just a piece of trash, pure and simple.

Well,I'm positive that Franklin Noble appreciates your concern during his time of hardship. Why not read the entire thread before you insert your foot in your mouth?

Because I'm sure this was all his fault:

Quote:

Just got axed today... company slashed this year's IT budget

--tim

CamEdwards · 11-15-2003, 03:31 PM

I'm going to give Bronx Bombers the benefit of the doubt and assume he was simply confused with who started this thread (Franklinnoble) and who kinda started the threadjack (shovel monkey).

Bronxbombers · 11-15-2003, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by finkenst
Well,I'm positive that Franklin Noble appreciates your concern during his time of hardship. Why not read the entire thread before you insert your foot in your mouth?

Because I'm sure this was all his fault:

--tim

Sorry, I misstyped. I meant the guy who originally came out with the unemployment rights statement. NOT the guy who got laid off of course.

clintl · 11-15-2003, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bronxbombers
Close... there is no insurance at work here. That is Workman's Comp. This is strictly a fund that the employer MUST keep (and the formula for the fund amount is quite complicated. Took my accountant over 3 hours to get me up to speed.). When an ex-employee pulls money out, the employer MUST replace it. That is why all companies fight this like rabid dogs.

Thanks for the clarification. On the California Employment Development Department's website (the agency the administers the program in California), it's referred to as an insurance program, and the way it's described there sounds more like an insurance program, too. It may be handled differently in different states, or EDD may just have a muddled explanation of how the program works on the employer side. The page I was looking seemed intended more for the claimants than for employers.

sterlingice · 11-16-2003, 06:10 AM

Yo! Threadjackers- pipe down!

I mean, I'm all for a good threadjack but FN just lost his job- this isn't the time or place.

Anyways, good luck on the job find, man. It's a tough industry to be in right now.

SI

GrantDawg · 11-16-2003, 07:06 AM

You guys are right. Just because a company that Shovel works for 80-90 hours a week for 8-9 months lays him off right at Christmas, and even though there are no other jobs available in his field during the winter, and even though the company he works for is the one who is actually paying the unemployment (which is cheaper for them than keeping him on staff till he is needed again in the fall and they are probably quite happy with the arrangement), he is a complete jerk for taking money given to him by his employer because he was laid off.

And the people who are attacking him are not morons.

GrantDawg · 11-16-2003, 07:11 AM

By the way, Franklin, good luck finding another job. And don't feel a bit guilty about taking every dime of unemployment coming to you while you try to find the right job for you. I'm sure the corporate exec that laid you off isn’t losing a minute of sleep over cashing his/her big bonus check that was once your salary.

sooner333 · 11-16-2003, 11:56 AM

I don't think people have too much problem taking the money. After all, he would need a replacement of funds while he was not working. But, the main issue people have is the way he phrased it. Instead of saying, "I took the money while I was looking for a job," he said, "I'm taking a paid vacation, woohoo!" It seems like an abuse of the system that is in place. We don't know if there are more jobs out there in his field in the winter because he's just sitting down and watching television all day instead of taking a look.

11-14-2003, 08:12 PM	#6
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	sorry to hear the bad news. Best of luck! FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

11-14-2003, 08:17 PM	#8
ShovelMonkey H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central PA	I work for a construction company on a paving crew and get laid off every year around Thanks Giving. I draw max un-employment and usually go back around the 1st of April, God I love my winter vacation. Sign up for unemployment and unless it's a major paycut don't rush going back to work...think of it as paid vacation... __________________ It only hurts for a little while...

11-14-2003, 08:32 PM	#10
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	Well we all know what needs to be done here. Walk into the place and wax the bastards. Sorry to hear about this and good luck find the next one. __________________ I had something.

11-14-2003, 08:42 PM	#12
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	I'm sorry to hear about it Mr. Noble. Keep your chin up... and let me know if I can do anything to help. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

11-14-2003, 11:12 PM	#19
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	Damn. Sorry to hear, it's always rough. Spend the $30 now before you'll need it and this may give you some extra time to build a winner... See, there's always something good to come from the bad! __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?"

11-14-2003, 07:34 PM	#2
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Sorry dude. Didn't get FOF2004 in time huh?

11-14-2003, 07:43 PM	#3
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	Sorry to hear it man.

11-14-2003, 07:57 PM	#4
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	That sucks, sorry to hear that. Now get to job hunting pronto!

11-14-2003, 08:11 PM	#5
Philliesfan980 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Exton, PA	If you have plenty of experience, I'm sure you'll be fine.

11-14-2003, 08:16 PM	#7
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Best of Luck "F"man.

11-14-2003, 08:25 PM	#9
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	If you've got a BA, go take the CBEST and than apply to be a substitute teacher. Since you're in California, it shouldn't be too hard to find work. It'll cost you some cash (CBEST, fingerprinting, and permit), but it is worth it.

11-14-2003, 08:35 PM	#11
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	You know I almost spit on a newsrack of my former paper the other day. I also flipped the building off when I drove by. Of course, I also said thanks for assisting in my career change. Woohoo!!! Changing careers was a great decision. BTW ... if you have or can get Macintosh certification, I know of a school that needs a systems administrator.

11-14-2003, 09:56 PM	#13
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	That sucks dude

11-14-2003, 09:56 PM	#14
Wasabiak High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Beulah, ND	I was laid off this time last year, so i feel your pain. But like everyone says, keep a good attitude, keep your chin up. Hopefully you find a better job bud.

11-14-2003, 10:17 PM	#16
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Sorry to hear this as well. I hope everything goes well for you. Todd

11-14-2003, 10:41 PM	#17
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	Sorry to hear that. FWIW, I've been doing some substitute teaching this fall. If you're at all inclined to take mrskippy's suggestion, I can share with you my perspective.

11-15-2003, 12:47 AM	#21
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Damn, that really sucks dude. Hope you find something new soon... But on a good note at least now you'll have plenty of time for the Matrix dynasty! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

11-15-2003, 01:41 AM	#22
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Haha, in Oklahoma, the qualifications for subbing were going to a 3 hour class and having a high school diploma. That's it. So, with Northwestern having the quarter system and starting in late September, I spent that month substitute teaching at my old high school. Considering that I knew a lot of the kids, it was kind fun/odd. Anyway, usually the teacher leaves a good amount of work and they don't expect you to know anything. Then you just tell the kids to do it and turn it in, or whatever. Just let them talk amongst themselves and they won't cause too much trouble.

11-15-2003, 07:56 AM	#25
The Afoci Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moorhead	I don't know the specific case for ShovelMonkey, but in some cases, they end up working 80-90 hours for the 7-8 months they do work. For that time they have little to no free time. I say live it up. __________________ I had something.

11-15-2003, 08:04 AM	#26
CraigSca Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Not Delaware - hurray!	He can live it up, but use the funds that he saved during his months of work to have his vacation. I think the point is - why should the state of Pennsylvania subsidize his vacation and not him?

11-15-2003, 09:26 AM	#28
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	And this is what is wrong with unemployment and welfare. I grew up in Pennsylvania, and there were families that lived on welfare who could've worked, but why? Oh, by the way, what do you think they did for entertainment since they had no money? They screwed and created more little "welfare" babies. And what do you think their kids grew up to be? Welfare recipients. You all can join the Army like me and not worry about getting laid off

11-15-2003, 09:36 AM	#29
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	Well, if he IS working 80-90 hours a week for those 7 or 8 months, then it seems to me he should be pulling in enough money to live throughout the year. If not, go find another job.

11-15-2003, 10:30 AM	#31
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	Sorry to hear that, Franklin. I hope you find something new soon. Tough time of year to be unemployed.

11-15-2003, 10:31 AM	#32
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	I don't have a degree. I'm a server systems admin w/10 yrs. exp. I'm sure I'll find something; this is just a shitty time of year to be out of work.

11-15-2003, 10:35 AM	#34
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Oh, and Franklin - good luck man.

11-15-2003, 11:01 AM	#36
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	There are a ton of things the government do to give people artificial advantages. Some people really do deserve this money, many people do not. Welfare ought to be reformed to match people with jobs as soon as possible and as soon as they can be trained and placed into that job, the benefits cease. Wisconsin privatized its welfare services to for-profit companies who agressively placed people in jobs, and they ended up making a lot of money that way. Should private companies be making money off of welfare? That's a separate question alltogether. But it does show that the system saves a lot of money and still gets people the jobs they deserve.

11-15-2003, 11:16 AM	#38
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Well, by deserve I mean need as well. Only people who need the money deserve the money. It's that simple. Taking a long vacation on the government doesn't really illustrate need to me. I can't say I blame anybody for taking it, even though the morality could be questioned, because it is there for the taking. My point is, that it should not be there for the taking, so something should be done to fix it.

11-15-2003, 12:36 PM	#39
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	As I pointed out in the other thread, unemployment benefits are not welfare. They are an insurance claim for which premiums have been made by the employer for coverage. That doesn't mean that it's not a good idea to require people receiving the benefits to look for work, because that keeps the premium costs down and has other social and economic benefits, but anyone who is qualified to receive benefits should have no guilt or qualms about taking them, any more than they should feel any guilt for making an auto insurance claim even if they have the money to pay for the damage themselves. The coverage has been paid for, and there's nothing wrong with using it.

11-15-2003, 03:31 PM	#44
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	I'm going to give Bronx Bombers the benefit of the doubt and assume he was simply confused with who started this thread (Franklinnoble) and who kinda started the threadjack (shovel monkey). __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

11-16-2003, 06:10 AM	#47
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yo! Threadjackers- pipe down! I mean, I'm all for a good threadjack but FN just lost his job- this isn't the time or place. Anyways, good luck on the job find, man. It's a tough industry to be in right now. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

11-16-2003, 07:06 AM	#48
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	You guys are right. Just because a company that Shovel works for 80-90 hours a week for 8-9 months lays him off right at Christmas, and even though there are no other jobs available in his field during the winter, and even though the company he works for is the one who is actually paying the unemployment (which is cheaper for them than keeping him on staff till he is needed again in the fall and they are probably quite happy with the arrangement), he is a complete jerk for taking money given to him by his employer because he was laid off. And the people who are attacking him are not morons.

11-16-2003, 07:11 AM	#49
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	By the way, Franklin, good luck finding another job. And don't feel a bit guilty about taking every dime of unemployment coming to you while you try to find the right job for you. I'm sure the corporate exec that laid you off isn’t losing a minute of sleep over cashing his/her big bonus check that was once your salary.

11-16-2003, 11:56 AM	#50
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	I don't think people have too much problem taking the money. After all, he would need a replacement of funds while he was not working. But, the main issue people have is the way he phrased it. Instead of saying, "I took the money while I was looking for a job," he said, "I'm taking a paid vacation, woohoo!" It seems like an abuse of the system that is in place. We don't know if there are more jobs out there in his field in the winter because he's just sitting down and watching television all day instead of taking a look.

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