Palmerio Suspended

vtbub · 08-01-2005, 11:17 AM

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 11:21 AM

Oh my...

MrBug708 · 08-01-2005, 11:23 AM

Wow...his hall status just took a hit...

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 11:24 AM

Wait... wait... I'm having a vision from the future.

He's... going to deny it! He's going to... swear he never used steroids! He must have taken... some sort of supplement! He's going ... to pledge... to clear his name!

Maple Leafs, trivial psychic.

henry296 · 08-01-2005, 11:25 AM

wow!!!!

MalcPow · 08-01-2005, 11:26 AM

I like how they quote Sandberg and Boggs at the end of the article as saying that Palmeiro should and would be inducted into the Hall, when it's clear they made those comments before this revelation (which seems to be breaking news). Just rubbed me the wrong way how that was thrown in there.

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 11:26 AM

Haha! Whizzinate this.

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 11:29 AM

Somewhere, Jose Canseco is waking up on a dirty mattress surronded by empty beer bottles and frantically dialing his agent.

Draft Dodger · 08-01-2005, 11:39 AM

DaddyTorgo · 08-01-2005, 11:40 AM

just heard this...WHOAAAAA. especially after his emphatic declarations to Congress!

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 11:40 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ion/index.html

They go one further and confirm that suspension is indeed for steroid use.

Edit: Hm, just as I post it, they've now changed the story to say "drugs" instead of "steroids".

lighthousekeeper · 08-01-2005, 11:40 AM

this is really depressing...

lighthousekeeper · 08-01-2005, 11:41 AM

dola...

can you go to jail for lying to congress on those hearings?

DaddyTorgo · 08-01-2005, 11:44 AM

ummn...i think so. especially if he was under oath, right?

MrBug708 · 08-01-2005, 11:46 AM

He said he never did it. He didn't say he wouldnt ever do it....

DaddyTorgo · 08-01-2005, 11:49 AM

touche. touche

SirFozzie · 08-01-2005, 11:51 AM

Remember, if you are supended for more then four hours, to seek a doctor's help immediately.

hukarez · 08-01-2005, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Edit: Hm, just as I post it, they've now changed the story to say "drugs" instead of "steroids".

Every time I think of him, I'm immediately reminded of his Viagra commercials...does the MLB condone player use of Viagra?

Klinglerware · 08-01-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hukarez

does the MLB condone player use of Viagra?

Well, if it unnaturally allows him to wave the big stick... oh, never mind.

TroyF · 08-01-2005, 12:00 PM

I know it'll never happen, but I'm curious. . . could he get into trouble for lying under oath to Congress?

Edit: Oops, didn't see the post above. Sorry.

And Maple Leafs, the denials have already started.

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TroyF

I know it'll never happen, but I'm curious. . . could he get into trouble for lying under oath to Congress?

whoa, deja question

Samdari · 08-01-2005, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ion/index.html

They go one further and confirm that suspension is indeed for steroid use.

Edit: Hm, just as I post it, they've now changed the story to say "drugs" instead of "steroids".

I am pretty sure that baseball has no policy for recreational illegal drugs or abusing alcohol. If he violated the MLB drug policy, he violated the performance enhancers policy.

Klinglerware · 08-01-2005, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samdari

I am pretty sure that baseball has no policy for recreational illegal drugs or abusing alcohol. If he violated the MLB drug policy, he violated the performance enhancers policy.

Actually, not true: a whole string of major leaguer's got suspended for cocaine use in the 1980s...

MalcPow · 08-01-2005, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samdari

I am pretty sure that baseball has no policy for recreational illegal drugs or abusing alcohol. If he violated the MLB drug policy, he violated the performance enhancers policy.

From MLB's drug policy...

Quote:

The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited. Major League players or personnel involved in the possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance are subject to discipline by the Commissioner and risk permanent expulsion from the game.

There are other clauses that go into steroids, but any illegal drugs are game for suspension.

Blackadar · 08-01-2005, 12:08 PM

ESPN says busted for 'roids.

NOW that they're against the rules of baseball (no one can complain about any use before this season), his HoF status should really be in jeporady.

Glengoyne · 08-01-2005, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hukarez

Every time I think of him, I'm immediately reminded of his Viagra commercials...does the MLB condone player use of Viagra?

His bat is chemically corked.

pennywisesb · 08-01-2005, 12:08 PM

I'm really disappointed with Raffy, I really thought of all those players on the stand, he was the lone player telling the truth.....

Maple Leafs · 08-01-2005, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

I'm really disappointed with Raffy, I really thought of all those players on the stand, he was the lone player telling the truth.....

Out of curiosity... why? The circumstantial evidence against his was overwhelming.

terpkristin · 08-01-2005, 12:11 PM

I agree with pennywise. I thought he was a good guy, telling the truth about steroids in general. I never expected HIM to be one caught.

/tk

HomerJSimpson · 08-01-2005, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

I'm really disappointed with Raffy, I really thought of all those players on the stand, he was the lone player telling the truth.....

Yup, me too. Just shows the problem is as wide spread as some claimed, and players are still trying/going to try to beat the system.

Cringer · 08-01-2005, 12:14 PM

I don't think he will be kept out of the Hall of Fame. Just my opinion though....

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 12:16 PM

Just tells you how bad it is/was.

Guy is at the tail end, in the Congressional spotlight and then takes roids.

But there will still be the "prove it" faction or people saying he was "set up like a m-fer."

Crapshoot · 08-01-2005, 12:24 PM

I don't particularly care. The effects of something that weren't banned by baseball at the time and are debatable has never been worthy of the level of moral bellyaching we've seen on the subject.

vtbub · 08-01-2005, 12:30 PM

This is the text of a statement from Rafael Palmeiro in advance of a national conference call he planned to conduct with the media later on Monday afternoon:

Thank you very much for joining me on this call today. I am saddened that we are here to address this issue, but because of the importance of it, I feel the need to make a brief statement and address your questions. At the outset, let me say that under the rules of the basic agreement and the order of the independent arbitrator, there is an order of confidentiality governing the specifics of this case. I will attempt to state as much as I can and be as forthright as possible, but there will be issues I can't address based on orders imposed on me by the basic agreement and the arbitration process.

I am here to make it very clear that I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period.

When I found out that I failed a test under the new drug policy, I filed a grievance and challenged the suspension on the basis that I have never intentionally taken a banned substance. Ultimately, although I never intentionally put a banned substance into my body -- the independent arbitrator ruled that I had to be suspended under the terms of the program.

I am sure you will ask how I tested positive for a banned substance. As I look back, I don't have a specific answer to give. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to explain to the arbitrator how the banned substance entered my body. The arbitrator did not find that I used a banned substance intentionally - in fact, he said he found my testimony to be compelling -- but he ruled that I could not meet the heavy burden imposed on players who test positive under the new drug policy.

I accept this punishment and want to address it publicly. I want to apologize to MLB, the Baltimore Orioles organization, my teammates, and most of all, my fans. Given my role with the No Tolerance Committee and my relationships with Congress, I feel the need to communicate a serious message to my fellow players and to kids everywhere. All of us have to be responsible and exercise extreme care in what we put in our body. I hope that all MLB players and kids will learn from what has happened to me. I have never intentionally used a banned substance, but I unfortunately wasn't careful enough.

I take my role as a professional athlete seriously. I love baseball and have great respect for all of the players who played before me. I have always done my best to live each day in ways that would make my family proud. Everything I have accomplished is the result of hard work and dedication to being the best possible player I can be.

I feel terrible that this has happened, but I think there is something to be gained from it. If my situation results in the education of current and future players about the dangers of taking anything without a prescription from a licensed physician -- that is a positive. At the end of the day, it is important for all players to understand the risk of contamination and to be very careful about what they put in their body.

This suspension is going to be incredibly difficult for me, my wife and my 2 boys. Over the next week and a half, I am going to spend time with my family. I am going to come back and will be as determined as ever to help the Orioles win this pennant race that we are in. We have worked very hard to be in a position to bring our fans a title, and I will not let this be a distraction.

Finally, I would like to thank Commissioner Selig and Mr. Angelos for their strong words of encouragement. I had the opportunity to speak with both of them and I am extremely appreciative of their support and friendship.

wade moore · 08-01-2005, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

I don't particularly care. The effects of something that weren't banned by baseball at the time and are debatable has never been worthy of the level of moral bellyaching we've seen on the subject.

There is that pesky little detail of them being illegal in the United States...

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 12:32 PM

I had sex with the steriods and the condom broke.

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 12:33 PM

Quote:

I am sure you will ask how I tested positive for a banned substance. As I look back, I don't have a specific answer to give. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to explain to the arbitrator how the banned substance entered my body

alien abuction

cody8200 · 08-01-2005, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtbub

This is the text of a statement from Rafael Palmeiro in advance of a national conference call he planned to conduct with the media later on Monday afternoon:

Thank you very much for joining me on this call today. I am saddened that we are here to address this issue, but because of the importance of it, I feel the need to make a brief statement and address your questions. At the outset, let me say that under the rules of the basic agreement and the order of the independent arbitrator, there is an order of confidentiality governing the specifics of this case. I will attempt to state as much as I can and be as forthright as possible, but there will be issues I can't address based on orders imposed on me by the basic agreement and the arbitration process.

I am here to make it very clear that I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period.

When I found out that I failed a test under the new drug policy, I filed a grievance and challenged the suspension on the basis that I have never intentionally taken a banned substance. Ultimately, although I never intentionally put a banned substance into my body -- the independent arbitrator ruled that I had to be suspended under the terms of the program.

I am sure you will ask how I tested positive for a banned substance. As I look back, I don't have a specific answer to give. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to explain to the arbitrator how the banned substance entered my body. The arbitrator did not find that I used a banned substance intentionally - in fact, he said he found my testimony to be compelling -- but he ruled that I could not meet the heavy burden imposed on players who test positive under the new drug policy.

I accept this punishment and want to address it publicly. I want to apologize to MLB, the Baltimore Orioles organization, my teammates, and most of all, my fans. Given my role with the No Tolerance Committee and my relationships with Congress, I feel the need to communicate a serious message to my fellow players and to kids everywhere. All of us have to be responsible and exercise extreme care in what we put in our body. I hope that all MLB players and kids will learn from what has happened to me. I have never intentionally used a banned substance, but I unfortunately wasn't careful enough.

I take my role as a professional athlete seriously. I love baseball and have great respect for all of the players who played before me. I have always done my best to live each day in ways that would make my family proud. Everything I have accomplished is the result of hard work and dedication to being the best possible player I can be.

I feel terrible that this has happened, but I think there is something to be gained from it. If my situation results in the education of current and future players about the dangers of taking anything without a prescription from a licensed physician -- that is a positive. At the end of the day, it is important for all players to understand the risk of contamination and to be very careful about what they put in their body.

This suspension is going to be incredibly difficult for me, my wife and my 2 boys. Over the next week and a half, I am going to spend time with my family. I am going to come back and will be as determined as ever to help the Orioles win this pennant race that we are in. We have worked very hard to be in a position to bring our fans a title, and I will not let this be a distraction.

Finally, I would like to thank Commissioner Selig and Mr. Angelos for their strong words of encouragement. I had the opportunity to speak with both of them and I am extremely appreciative of their support and friendship.

Where did this come from? Is this real? Link please.

lighthousekeeper · 08-01-2005, 12:44 PM

"say it ain't so, Palmeiro!"

Palmeiro: ok

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 12:45 PM

I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

cody8200 · 08-01-2005, 12:45 PM

BTW, I am deeply saddened to hear this news. I had hoped that Palmeiro was a truly good guy that had not used steroids. Another hope down the drain. At least I can take solace that Sandberg or Boggs never used them...at least I hope not.

Warhammer · 08-01-2005, 12:48 PM

Why do I always think of Palmeiro as "the second spitter?"

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Why do I always think of Palmeiro as "the second spitter?"

that was McDowell.

now go help Keith Hernandez move.

Samdari · 08-01-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody8200

Where did this come from? Is this real? Link please.

They read it on the Orioles broadcast today. It's real.

Senator · 08-01-2005, 01:01 PM

Tony Gwynn may have been the last pure hitter.

WSUCougar · 08-01-2005, 01:17 PM

So what's Raffy saying, he took collateral 'roid damage? He sat on an abandoned juice needle? A mosquito that had sucked blood from Canseco randomly landed on him next? I can't wait to hear more details...

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

So what's Raffy saying, he took collateral 'roid damage? He sat on an abandoned juice needle? A mosquito that had sucked blood from Canseco randomly landed on him next? I can't wait to hear more details...

somebody slipped him a mickey

Pacersfan46 · 08-01-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

I'm really disappointed with Raffy, I really thought of all those players on the stand, he was the lone player telling the truth.....

If I had to say I thought someone was honest ... it would have been him. In part because he never had a "superman" sort of year. Where you could tell someone had beefed up.

Pacersfan46 · 08-01-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senator

Tony Gwynn may have been the last pure hitter.

Pujols?

rkmsuf · 08-01-2005, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pacersfan46

Pujols?

He's too beefy.

08-01-2005, 11:21 AM	#2
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Oh my... __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

08-01-2005, 11:24 AM	#4
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Wait... wait... I'm having a vision from the future. He's... going to deny it! He's going to... swear he never used steroids! He must have taken... some sort of supplement! He's going ... to pledge... to clear his name! Maple Leafs, trivial psychic. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

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08-01-2005, 11:29 AM	#8
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08-01-2005, 11:23 AM	#3
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Wow...his hall status just took a hit...

08-01-2005, 11:26 AM	#6
MalcPow College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego	I like how they quote Sandberg and Boggs at the end of the article as saying that Palmeiro should and would be inducted into the Hall, when it's clear they made those comments before this revelation (which seems to be breaking news). Just rubbed me the wrong way how that was thrown in there.

08-01-2005, 11:39 AM	#9
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	oops __________________ Mile High Hockey

08-01-2005, 11:40 AM	#10
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	just heard this...WHOAAAAA. especially after his emphatic declarations to Congress!

08-01-2005, 11:40 AM	#12
lighthousekeeper College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	this is really depressing...

08-01-2005, 11:41 AM	#13
lighthousekeeper College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	dola... can you go to jail for lying to congress on those hearings?

08-01-2005, 11:44 AM	#14
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	ummn...i think so. especially if he was under oath, right?

08-01-2005, 11:46 AM	#15
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	He said he never did it. He didn't say he wouldnt ever do it....

08-01-2005, 11:49 AM	#16
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	touche. touche

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08-01-2005, 12:00 PM	#20
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I know it'll never happen, but I'm curious. . . could he get into trouble for lying under oath to Congress? Edit: Oops, didn't see the post above. Sorry. And Maple Leafs, the denials have already started. Last edited by TroyF : 08-01-2005 at 12:01 PM.

08-01-2005, 12:08 PM	#25
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	ESPN says busted for 'roids. NOW that they're against the rules of baseball (no one can complain about any use before this season), his HoF status should really be in jeporady.

08-01-2005, 12:08 PM	#27
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08-01-2005, 12:11 PM	#29
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08-01-2005, 12:16 PM	#32
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Just tells you how bad it is/was. Guy is at the tail end, in the Congressional spotlight and then takes roids. But there will still be the "prove it" faction or people saying he was "set up like a m-fer." __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

08-01-2005, 12:24 PM	#33
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	I don't particularly care. The effects of something that weren't banned by baseball at the time and are debatable has never been worthy of the level of moral bellyaching we've seen on the subject.

08-01-2005, 12:30 PM	#34
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	This is the text of a statement from Rafael Palmeiro in advance of a national conference call he planned to conduct with the media later on Monday afternoon: Thank you very much for joining me on this call today. I am saddened that we are here to address this issue, but because of the importance of it, I feel the need to make a brief statement and address your questions. At the outset, let me say that under the rules of the basic agreement and the order of the independent arbitrator, there is an order of confidentiality governing the specifics of this case. I will attempt to state as much as I can and be as forthright as possible, but there will be issues I can't address based on orders imposed on me by the basic agreement and the arbitration process. I am here to make it very clear that I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period. When I found out that I failed a test under the new drug policy, I filed a grievance and challenged the suspension on the basis that I have never intentionally taken a banned substance. Ultimately, although I never intentionally put a banned substance into my body -- the independent arbitrator ruled that I had to be suspended under the terms of the program. I am sure you will ask how I tested positive for a banned substance. As I look back, I don't have a specific answer to give. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to explain to the arbitrator how the banned substance entered my body. The arbitrator did not find that I used a banned substance intentionally - in fact, he said he found my testimony to be compelling -- but he ruled that I could not meet the heavy burden imposed on players who test positive under the new drug policy. I accept this punishment and want to address it publicly. I want to apologize to MLB, the Baltimore Orioles organization, my teammates, and most of all, my fans. Given my role with the No Tolerance Committee and my relationships with Congress, I feel the need to communicate a serious message to my fellow players and to kids everywhere. All of us have to be responsible and exercise extreme care in what we put in our body. I hope that all MLB players and kids will learn from what has happened to me. I have never intentionally used a banned substance, but I unfortunately wasn't careful enough. I take my role as a professional athlete seriously. I love baseball and have great respect for all of the players who played before me. I have always done my best to live each day in ways that would make my family proud. Everything I have accomplished is the result of hard work and dedication to being the best possible player I can be. I feel terrible that this has happened, but I think there is something to be gained from it. If my situation results in the education of current and future players about the dangers of taking anything without a prescription from a licensed physician -- that is a positive. At the end of the day, it is important for all players to understand the risk of contamination and to be very careful about what they put in their body. This suspension is going to be incredibly difficult for me, my wife and my 2 boys. Over the next week and a half, I am going to spend time with my family. I am going to come back and will be as determined as ever to help the Orioles win this pennant race that we are in. We have worked very hard to be in a position to bring our fans a title, and I will not let this be a distraction. Finally, I would like to thank Commissioner Selig and Mr. Angelos for their strong words of encouragement. I had the opportunity to speak with both of them and I am extremely appreciative of their support and friendship. __________________

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lighthousekeeper College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	"say it ain't so, Palmeiro!" Palmeiro: ok

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08-01-2005, 12:45 PM	#41
cody8200 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000	BTW, I am deeply saddened to hear this news. I had hoped that Palmeiro was a truly good guy that had not used steroids. Another hope down the drain. At least I can take solace that Sandberg or Boggs never used them...at least I hope not.

08-01-2005, 12:48 PM	#42
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Why do I always think of Palmeiro as "the second spitter?"

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08-01-2005, 01:17 PM	#46
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	So what's Raffy saying, he took collateral 'roid damage? He sat on an abandoned juice needle? A mosquito that had sucked blood from Canseco randomly landed on him next? I can't wait to hear more details... __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

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