OOTP - converting reliever to starter

Fouts · 08-10-2005, 04:52 PM

I have this reliever who throws 98-100mph with ratings of 100 stuff, 55 control, 64 movement. He wasn't too reliable as a reliever for his first two years, era's of 4.80 and 3.78, respectively.

So, I had a starter go down and inserted him in the rotation. He has an endurance of 4, so around the 80 pitch mark he would tire (I play out all my teams games). His first four game were;

7.0ip, 2h, 0r
5.1ip, 2h, 1r
6.2ip, 4h, 0r
7.1ip, 5h, 1r

He is 2-0 and we won 3 of his 4 starts. So it seems to be a success.

Has anyone else had continued success with converting a reliever to starter? Do you think there is a higher chance of throwing out their arm in OOTP?

korme · 08-10-2005, 05:21 PM

10 point scale? It has been my experience pitchers with 5 END or less do not fare well at all as starters. Interesting.

Vince · 08-10-2005, 05:29 PM

I can't believe you're geting more than 5 innings out of him at 4 endurance.

BigJohn&TheLions · 08-10-2005, 05:31 PM

He's probably on a 5 point scale.

Fouts · 08-10-2005, 05:57 PM

10 point scale for endurance, but 100 for ratings. Yeah I stay with him until he gets wild. His last outing he gave up 3 runs in the first and left in the 4th inning.

BigJohn&TheLions · 08-10-2005, 06:04 PM

I got a guy 4 out of 5 endurance who won 17 for me as my #1 starter. I got another couple of good pitchers and he fell apart. He always would seem to pitch for two great innings and then just lose it. Then he got hurt. He is now the best closer in the game.

I don't even mind letting him go a few innings if I am short on available arms in extra innings.

stevew · 08-10-2005, 07:50 PM

Generally unless the guy is 6 out of 10, you cant even think of starting him effectively. A guy thats 4 in duration may only be 30-39/100, im suprised he pitched so long for you. Version 6x is pretty darn hard to build duration with in ST.

kcchief19 · 08-10-2005, 09:43 PM

Fouts is playing out the games, so he can get more out of this guy than the AI would. In a simmed game the AI will take him out when gets tired, which will be more often than not between 4-6 innings depending on pitch count. If you're playing out games you can sometimes get away with using a guy with lower endurance as a starter because you can let him go. He'll get pounded if he goes too long, but my experience has been that the playing out AI is much easier on starters than the simming AI.

JW · 08-10-2005, 10:11 PM

I've had mixed success in doing this in all versions thru 6.5. I used a reliever with 4 out of 5 endurance in one season of my current fictional league with very good success for about half a season.

I also like to find young relievers with high ratings and high endurance and try to convert them to starters, since there seem to be so many young relievers available with high ratings, at least in my league. That also has mixed results.

08-10-2005, 05:29 PM	#3
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	I can't believe you're geting more than 5 innings out of him at 4 endurance. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

08-10-2005, 05:31 PM	#4
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	He's probably on a 5 point scale. __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?"

08-10-2005, 06:04 PM	#6
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	I got a guy 4 out of 5 endurance who won 17 for me as my #1 starter. I got another couple of good pitchers and he fell apart. He always would seem to pitch for two great innings and then just lose it. Then he got hurt. He is now the best closer in the game. I don't even mind letting him go a few innings if I am short on available arms in extra innings. __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?"

08-10-2005, 05:21 PM	#2
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	10 point scale? It has been my experience pitchers with 5 END or less do not fare well at all as starters. Interesting.

08-10-2005, 05:57 PM	#5
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	10 point scale for endurance, but 100 for ratings. Yeah I stay with him until he gets wild. His last outing he gave up 3 runs in the first and left in the 4th inning.

08-10-2005, 07:50 PM	#7
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Generally unless the guy is 6 out of 10, you cant even think of starting him effectively. A guy thats 4 in duration may only be 30-39/100, im suprised he pitched so long for you. Version 6x is pretty darn hard to build duration with in ST.

08-10-2005, 09:43 PM	#8
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Fouts is playing out the games, so he can get more out of this guy than the AI would. In a simmed game the AI will take him out when gets tired, which will be more often than not between 4-6 innings depending on pitch count. If you're playing out games you can sometimes get away with using a guy with lower endurance as a starter because you can let him go. He'll get pounded if he goes too long, but my experience has been that the playing out AI is much easier on starters than the simming AI.

08-10-2005, 10:11 PM	#9
JW College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Monroe, LA, USA	I've had mixed success in doing this in all versions thru 6.5. I used a reliever with 4 out of 5 endurance in one season of my current fictional league with very good success for about half a season. I also like to find young relievers with high ratings and high endurance and try to convert them to starters, since there seem to be so many young relievers available with high ratings, at least in my league. That also has mixed results.

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