Math Problems

korme · 06-26-2003, 08:07 PM

Let's do some Math.

1) Solve the linear system.

{2x + 5y = -2
{3x - 2y = 4

2) Solve the system.

{3x + 4y = -3
{2x + y = 8

TLK · 06-26-2003, 08:09 PM

I see a joke somewhere in here......

QuikSand · 06-26-2003, 08:18 PM

Okay, I have the answer for the first one... but what's the point? Unless there's a punchline, we're just doing high school algebra. And so far, I don't see a punchline...

Maple Leafs · 06-26-2003, 08:20 PM

The punchline is Shorty is going to get the message board to do his homework for him.

korme · 06-26-2003, 08:20 PM

I'm trying not to forget math by the time senior year rolls around.

korme · 06-26-2003, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maple Leafs
The punchline is Shorty is going to get the message board to do his homework for him.

I'm out of school, hater.

korme · 06-26-2003, 08:24 PM

Quik, I am getting (2, -1) for this first one, and that is not correct, by checking.. I don't know what I'm doing wrong here.

QuikSand · 06-26-2003, 08:27 PM

I'm getting some odd fractions for the first one... I get X=16/19 and Y=-14/19. If this is supposed to have an elegant solution, I don't see it.

korme · 06-26-2003, 08:28 PM

just pulled it from some old tests, looking at the ones i got wrong, this was one of them Not sure if an 'elegant solution' is the real solution or not.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 06-26-2003, 08:33 PM

Bah ! Too complicated for me.

vtbub · 06-26-2003, 08:35 PM

Shorty has been defined.

korme · 06-26-2003, 08:38 PM

I have reached the conclusion that I will never be good at math. I just checked both problems, and both of my solutions are wrong. Grrr. Maybe I just shouldn't take math senior year (only 3 years are required).

QuikSand · 06-26-2003, 08:48 PM

You and I cannot possibly be related.

korme · 06-26-2003, 08:59 PM

TredWel · 06-26-2003, 09:29 PM

If I wanted to do this via matrices and row reduction, I could. But I cheat. I use Maple.

Prob 1: X = 16/19, Y = -14/19.

Prob 2: X = 7, Y = 6

tucker342 · 06-26-2003, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty3281
I have reached the conclusion that I will never be good at math. I just checked both problems, and both of my solutions are wrong. Grrr. Maybe I just shouldn't take math senior year (only 3 years are required).

I'm really thinking about doing that... If I did, I would take three science classes, Physics, Advanced Biology(you get to clone shit in this class), and advanced chemisty

korme · 06-26-2003, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TredWel
If I wanted to do this via matrices and row reduction, I could. But I cheat. I use Maple.

Prob 1: X = 16/19, Y = -14/19.

Prob 2: X = 7, Y = 6

Maple?

RPI-Fan · 06-26-2003, 10:12 PM

Take math your senior year (assuming you plan to go to a 4-year college). It doesn't matter whether or not you're good at it - just do it.

RPI-Fan · 06-26-2003, 10:13 PM

Maple is a rather advanced computer math/engineering-type program used lots in colleges and universities.

RPI-Fan · 06-26-2003, 10:17 PM

I'll try and type out the work for the 2nd one (since it has easier numbers)...

Quote:

{3x + 4y = -3
{2x + y = 8

2x + y = 8

y = 8 - 2x

3x + 4y = -3

3x + 4*(8 - 2x) = -3

3x + 32 - 8x = -3

32 - 5x = -3

-5x = -35

x = 7

2x + y = 8

2*(7) + y = 8

14 + y = 8

y = 6

(7,6)

Just do the same thing for the first one, though it'll take longer with those ugly numbers.

Easy Mac · 06-26-2003, 10:19 PM

This is quite possibly the easiest math I've ever done.

I'll show #1, just to give you an idea

2x + 5y = -2
2x = -2 - 5y
x = -1 - (5/2)y

3x - 2y = 4
3(-1 - (5/2)y) - 2y = 4
-3 - (15/2)y - (4/2)y = 4
-3 - (19/2)y = 4
-(19/2)y = 7
y = -(2/19)*7
y = -(14/19)

2x + 5(-14/19) = -2
2x + (-70/19) = -(38/19)
2x = (32/19)
x = (1/2)*(32/19)
x = 16/19

x = 16/19
y = -14/19

korme · 06-26-2003, 10:34 PM

oh, i was thinking graph

mckerney · 06-26-2003, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty3281
I have reached the conclusion that I will never be good at math. I just checked both problems, and both of my solutions are wrong. Grrr. Maybe I just shouldn't take math senior year (only 3 years are required).

I'd taken 4 years of math after my junior year and being my pre calculus teacher taught me nothing (his method of teaching was yelling at students when they didn't know something) I didn't take math my senior year. Of course, when I get to college I'm going to be taking Precalc 2 and microeconomics, my first semester with calculus and macroeconomics my second, and I have to have around a 3.8 to transfer into the school I want to be in at the university I'm attending.

JeeberD · 06-27-2003, 12:19 AM

I hate math...

thealmighty · 06-27-2003, 01:16 AM

Hello, math genius people...

The answer to #2 is NOT (7,6)

It is (7, -6)

cuervo72 · 06-27-2003, 07:32 AM

I must have learned a different way of solving this (or maybe this is what TredWel means by matrices & row reduction)....

1) Solve the system.
2x + 5y = -2
3x - 2y = 4

or,

6x + 15y = -6
-6x + 4y = -8
---------------------
19y = -14
y = -14/19

3x - 2(-14/19) = 4
57x + 28 = 76
57x = 48
x = 48/57 = 16/19

2) Solve the system.

3x + 4y = -3
2x + y = 8

or
3x + 4y = -3
-8x - 4y = -32
--------------------
-5x = -35
x = 7

14 + y = 8
y = 8 - 14
y = -6

Maple Leafs · 06-27-2003, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RPI-Fan
Maple is a rather advanced computer math/engineering-type program used lots in colleges and universities.

Now now... I'm smart, but no need to flatter me.

Raven · 06-27-2003, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mckerney
Of course, when I get to college I'm going to be taking Precalc 2 and microeconomics, my first semester with calculus and macroeconomics my second, and I have to have around a 3.8 to transfer into the school I want to be in at the university I'm attending.

You're not going to need calc in either of those economics classes. Or at least, I didn't.

QuikSand · 06-27-2003, 03:33 PM

And as long as you have no plans beyond your freshman year in college, you're all set. Skip math, definitely. Go with something easier - it will definitely pay off in the end.

VPI97 · 06-27-2003, 03:53 PM

Shorty's new avatar:

korme · 06-27-2003, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
And as long as you have no plans beyond your freshman year in college, you're all set. Skip math, definitely. Go with something easier - it will definitely pay off in the end.

peee-yew

do i smell sarcasm?

korme · 06-27-2003, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VPI97
Shorty's new avatar:

Wrong, asshole.

I don't spell words incorrectly.

But other than that, nice job.

VPI97 · 06-27-2003, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty3281
But other than that, nice job.

mckerney · 06-27-2003, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Raven
You're not going to need calc in either of those economics classes. Or at least, I didn't.

No, but I'll need the class for my transfer.

panerd · 06-28-2003, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
And as long as you have no plans beyond your freshman year in college, you're all set. Skip math, definitely. Go with something easier - it will definitely pay off in the end.

I hate to say this being a math teacher, but I will have to side with Shorty on this one. There is reason for future mathematicians, engineers, etc to have to know how to do this. But for anyone who will not have to use extensive math in their career, there is no reason to waste more than a week on systems of equations. (Graphing calculators and computers will solve any system you throw at them. Especially 2nd and 3rd order systems.) There are so many more richer topics students in algebra I could explore.

QuikSand · 06-28-2003, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by panerd
I hate to say this being a math teacher, but I will have to side with Shorty on this one. There is reason for future mathematicians, engineers, etc to have to know how to do this. But for anyone who will not have to use extensive math in their career, there is no reason to waste more than a week on systems of equations. (Graphing calculators and computers will solve any system you throw at them. Especially 2nd and 3rd order systems.) There are so many more richer topics students in algebra I could explore.

Saying that solving system of equations is not the most rewarding thing within the study of algebra (part of mathemtaics) isn't exactly backing up the notion that studying mathematics is worthless.

I think one might be able to argue that the study of mathematics -- even some areas of math that are themselves not particularly practical in direct effect - is useful in and of itself. That the sort of skills one learns in the study of challenging math are useful skills to have, even if one is never called upon to solve a series of equations, or to determine the limit of an infinite series.

panerd · 06-28-2003, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
Saying that solving system of equations is not the most rewarding thing within the study of algebra (part of mathemtaics) isn't exactly backing up the notion that studying mathematics is worthless.

I think one might be able to argue that the study of mathematics -- even some areas of math that are themselves not particularly practical in direct effect - is useful in and of itself. That the sort of skills one learns in the study of challenging math are useful skills to have, even if one is never called upon to solve a series of equations, or to determine the limit of an infinite series.

Agree 100%. That is why I am floored by teachers who still spend 2 months on their systems of equations units. They start with graphing a line, then teach substitution, then teach combining with addition and subtraction, then with multiplication, then with matrices, and so on. Why not explore matrices and graphs farthur using mordern technology instead of giving kids tests with the same problem over and over (like it looks like Shorty's teacher did)? Every kid at our district's high schools have graphing calculators and most teachers use them about once a year.

Fifty years ago there was some practicality to teaching how to divide 26232 by 191. Now it is not a skill that needs inordinate amounts of time spent on it. I have a math degree, I would not ever do that by hand. Well, graphing calculators can tackle a lot of the "computational" algebra and allow the kids to actually understand why they are studying graphing lines and systems of equations in the first place. (I never learned until my master's degree a practical use for matrices. This includes the honors track of major school district and the mathematics program of a large university. Maybe some teachers need to change their lesson plans every 30 years?)

06-26-2003, 08:33 PM	#10
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Bah ! Too complicated for me. __________________ Toujour Pret

06-26-2003, 08:35 PM	#11
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06-26-2003, 09:29 PM	#15
TredWel High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Old Forge, PA	If I wanted to do this via matrices and row reduction, I could. But I cheat. I use Maple. Prob 1: X = 16/19, Y = -14/19. Prob 2: X = 7, Y = 6 __________________ There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people...religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin. - Linus Van Pelt

06-26-2003, 10:12 PM	#18
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Take math your senior year (assuming you plan to go to a 4-year college). It doesn't matter whether or not you're good at it - just do it. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

06-26-2003, 10:13 PM	#19
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Maple is a rather advanced computer math/engineering-type program used lots in colleges and universities. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

06-26-2003, 08:09 PM	#2
TLK Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allen Park, MI	I see a joke somewhere in here......

06-26-2003, 08:18 PM	#3
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Okay, I have the answer for the first one... but what's the point? Unless there's a punchline, we're just doing high school algebra. And so far, I don't see a punchline...

06-26-2003, 08:20 PM	#4
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	The punchline is Shorty is going to get the message board to do his homework for him.

06-26-2003, 08:20 PM	#5
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	I'm trying not to forget math by the time senior year rolls around.

06-26-2003, 08:24 PM	#7
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Quik, I am getting (2, -1) for this first one, and that is not correct, by checking.. I don't know what I'm doing wrong here.

06-26-2003, 08:27 PM	#8
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I'm getting some odd fractions for the first one... I get X=16/19 and Y=-14/19. If this is supposed to have an elegant solution, I don't see it.

06-26-2003, 08:28 PM	#9
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	just pulled it from some old tests, looking at the ones i got wrong, this was one of them Not sure if an 'elegant solution' is the real solution or not.

06-26-2003, 08:38 PM	#12
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	I have reached the conclusion that I will never be good at math. I just checked both problems, and both of my solutions are wrong. Grrr. Maybe I just shouldn't take math senior year (only 3 years are required).

06-26-2003, 08:48 PM	#13
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	You and I cannot possibly be related.

06-26-2003, 08:59 PM	#14
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio

06-26-2003, 10:19 PM	#21
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	This is quite possibly the easiest math I've ever done. I'll show #1, just to give you an idea 2x + 5y = -2 2x = -2 - 5y x = -1 - (5/2)y 3x - 2y = 4 3(-1 - (5/2)y) - 2y = 4 -3 - (15/2)y - (4/2)y = 4 -3 - (19/2)y = 4 -(19/2)y = 7 y = -(2/19)7 y = -(14/19) 2x + 5(-14/19) = -2 2x + (-70/19) = -(38/19) 2x = (32/19) x = (1/2)(32/19) x = 16/19 x = 16/19 y = -14/19

06-26-2003, 10:34 PM	#22
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	oh, i was thinking graph

06-27-2003, 12:19 AM	#24
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06-27-2003, 01:16 AM	#25
thealmighty Pro Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: heaven	Hello, math genius people... The answer to #2 is NOT (7,6) It is (7, -6) __________________ Check out The Unofficial FOFC Movie Guide Here

06-27-2003, 07:32 AM	#26
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	I must have learned a different way of solving this (or maybe this is what TredWel means by matrices & row reduction).... 1) Solve the system. 2x + 5y = -2 3x - 2y = 4 or, 6x + 15y = -6 -6x + 4y = -8 --------------------- 19y = -14 y = -14/19 3x - 2(-14/19) = 4 57x + 28 = 76 57x = 48 x = 48/57 = 16/19 2) Solve the system. 3x + 4y = -3 2x + y = 8 or 3x + 4y = -3 -8x - 4y = -32 -------------------- -5x = -35 x = 7 14 + y = 8 y = 8 - 14 y = -6 Last edited by cuervo72 : 06-27-2003 at 07:33 AM.

06-27-2003, 03:33 PM	#29
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	And as long as you have no plans beyond your freshman year in college, you're all set. Skip math, definitely. Go with something easier - it will definitely pay off in the end.

06-27-2003, 03:53 PM	#30
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	Shorty's new avatar: __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

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