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Old 07-30-2006, 07:23 PM   #1
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WSOP Main Event Discussion Thread (Spoilers Possible)

I didn't see one of these out there, so I thought I'd kick one off prior to our CST this evening. There will be spoilers posted - for those waiting to watch the WS on ESPN whenever they decide to air it (November? February?).

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Old 07-30-2006, 07:24 PM   #2
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John Phan raises pre-flop, and he is called by Joe Berry and Sam Farha. The flop comes 9h 6h 4h, Phan raises, Berry calls, and Farha re-raises. Phan folds and Berry smooth calls. The turn brings another 6, and once again, Farha bets into Berry who just calls. The river brings a 10, and Farha moves all-in. Berry calls and Farha flips over pocket 9s for a full house. Berry shows pocket 6s, and Farha can't believe his opponent turned quads against his top set. Farha is eliminated.

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Old 07-30-2006, 07:26 PM   #3
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:27 PM   #4
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With $1,375 left, Jennifer Harman joins a mult-limped pot. The flop comes 8d 4c 2d and a player acting before Harman makes it $600 to go. Harman then pushes all-in. A player behind Harman then makes it $3,000 to go and the original raiser folds. Harman shows Q8c while her remaining opponent in the pot turns up the 4d2c. The turn card brings the Ks and the river brings the 7d. Jennifer Harman has been eliminated from the Main Event.

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Old 07-30-2006, 07:28 PM   #5
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I didn't see one of these out there, so I thought I'd kick one off prior to our CST this evening. There will be spoilers posted - for those waiting to watch the WS on ESPN whenever they decide to air it (November? February?).

September or October, actually, they're airing the main event first.
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:37 PM   #6
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Thats 2 years in a row Harmen has taken a rough beat
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:41 PM   #7
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Thats 2 years in a row Harmen has taken a rough beat
How rough a beat is that? Seems to me she overplayed her hand.
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:43 PM   #8
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I'm am in no way a poker expert, but it seems to be the Harman is terrible (at least in that hand). If you allow that many people to limp into a pot, wouldn't you have to consider that somebody hit something better than a pair of 8's with Q high? Reading that sounds like every low limit table I've ever played at.
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:46 PM   #9
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unless the player with 2 4 was in the big blind it is a bad beat
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:48 PM   #10
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If you allow that many people to limp into a pot, wouldn't you have to consider that somebody hit something better than a pair of 8's with Q high?

It doesn't say what the blinds were, but it looks like she was pretty short stacked and figured top pair with a good kicker was good enough to try to double up with.
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:52 PM   #11
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Now, this is a bad beat, what is KJd doing in a hand after heavy preflop raising?

Mike "The Mouth" Matusow Eliminated
At the ESPN featured table, Mike "The Mouth" Matusow calls all in on for approximately $10,000 on a flop of 9diamond4diamond7spade, after heavy preflop betting. Both players flip up their hands, Matusow with 7club7heart and his opponent with KdiamondJdiamond. The Aheart falls on the turn, and Matusow now has to dodge only a diamond or he will double up. The river brings the 3diamond, and a very dejected Mouth is sent to the rail.
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:54 PM   #12
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unless the player with 2 4 was in the big blind it is a bad beat
Top pair and that's a bad beat? I mean she did have a backdoor flush draw, but really just having top pair and getting beat doesn't seem like a "bad beat" even on that board. I mean if this had been the same situation and the guy had 56 for an open ended straight which he then completes would people be saying it's a bad beat? A queen is a decent kicker, but hardly the nuts.
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:59 PM   #13
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Old 07-30-2006, 07:59 PM   #14
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Top pair and that's a bad beat? I mean she did have a backdoor flush draw, but really just having top pair and getting beat doesn't seem like a "bad beat" even on that board. I mean if this had been the same situation and the guy had 56 for an open ended straight which he then completes would people be saying it's a bad beat? A queen is a decent kicker, but hardly the nuts.
I'm not sure of the context of your post?
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:02 PM   #15
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What the bad beat folks are saying is that it's a shame that 24x was in the hand after the flop.. but in a multi way pot, you have equity, exactly cuz no one expects anyone to have 24 post flop
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:03 PM   #16
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Now, this is a bad beat, what is KJd doing in a hand after heavy preflop raising?

Mike "The Mouth" Matusow Eliminated
At the ESPN featured table, Mike "The Mouth" Matusow calls all in on for approximately $10,000 on a flop of 9diamond4diamond7spade, after heavy preflop betting. Both players flip up their hands, Matusow with 7club7heart and his opponent with KdiamondJdiamond. The Aheart falls on the turn, and Matusow now has to dodge only a diamond or he will double up. The river brings the 3diamond, and a very dejected Mouth is sent to the rail.

I'm guessing this is from some sort of ESPN poker blog? Can someone clue them in that the internet poker world can comprehend 9d4d7s? It's painful reading this stuff.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:04 PM   #17
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It's cardplayer, they use graphics that don't come over when you copy and paste.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:09 PM   #18
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It's cardplayer, they use graphics that don't come over when you copy and paste.

Ah, I see. Thanks.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:10 PM   #19
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Anybody know of a site where you can easily search any players results in the main event? I have a buddy playing and can't seem to find which group he's in or how he's doing.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:12 PM   #20
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It's cardplayer, they use graphics that don't come over when you copy and paste.

No?

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Three players at Daniel Negreanu's table call $700 pre-flop. The flop comes AJ5. Negreanu bets $1,000 and gets one caller. He bets $3,000 on the turn (8) and is called. He bets $5,500 on the river (K) and is called. His opponent shows A-K while he shows 76. With the pot, Negreanu is up to $41,500 and is among the day's chip leaders.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:13 PM   #21
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Hmm... weird.. mine don't.

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Old 07-30-2006, 08:17 PM   #22
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Hmm... weird.. mine don't.

I use FF

Ah, I use IE. I just tried it with Firefox and it did that 9diamond stuff.
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Old 07-30-2006, 08:40 PM   #23
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Old 07-30-2006, 09:06 PM   #24
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Cheer up, Vic. Anna Benson is making her run this year.
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Old 07-30-2006, 09:58 PM   #25
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Our own dixieflatline is sitting with ~$13,000 at the dinner break. GO dixie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-30-2006, 10:30 PM   #26
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Interesting: there's six more bracelet events that will be running during the main event? That's goofy.
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Old 07-30-2006, 11:03 PM   #27
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Jack Mahalingam is all-in for $5,000 and is called an opponent in late position. Mahalingam shows 8s8c and his opponent has 5h5c. The flop is 6s5s5d (!!) and his opponent flops quads. The turn is a 9s giving Mahalingam a gut-shot straight flush draw (his only way to win). The river is the 7s giving Mahalingam the straight flush and the hand.

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Old 07-30-2006, 11:36 PM   #28
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Hardest Beat EVER
Jack Mahalingam is all-in for $5,000 and is called an opponent in late position. Mahalingam shows 8s8c and his opponent has 5h5c. The flop is 6s5s5d (!!) and his opponent flops quads. The turn is a 9s giving Mahalingam a gut-shot straight flush draw (his only way to win). The river is the 7s giving Mahalingam the straight flush and the hand.

That's actually not a bad beat, because all of the money went in before the flop. The 88 was a 4 to 1 favorite over the 55. The one card straight flush is just one of the 80% of winning combinations for the 88.
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Old 07-30-2006, 11:37 PM   #29
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Interesting: there's six more bracelet events that will be running during the main event? That's goofy.
They are second chance tourneys. I'm pretty sure they've run them before, although there are more this year.

And I use FF and have no trouble pasting from CardPlayer. Weird.
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Old 07-30-2006, 11:37 PM   #30
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Pffft. Technicalities. It still sucks royally for the guy holding the pocket fives.
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Ah, I use IE. I just tried it with Firefox and it did that 9diamond stuff.
I got it to work - before entering the message, I choose "Switch Editor Mode" and voila:

"Pre-flop, an opponent pushes all-in for $6,000 and Brian Wilson calls. Wilson shows 1010 and his opponent shows JJ. The flop is Q94, giving Wilson 4 cards to a flush. The turn (Q) and river (Q) are no help though, and Wilson loses the hand. Currently, he has fallen to $11,600."
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Josh - you had a nice run - that was a tough hand, to be sure...

Looking forward to your trip report - I hope you and your wife enjoy the hell out of the rest of your time out there...

Congrats again for just getting there.
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Pffft. Technicalities. It still sucks royally for the guy holding the pocket fives.

Yeah, it sucks, but like the others here, I can't cal that a bad beat. He got his money in with by far and away the worst hand. The expected result is what happened.

If he'd have went all in on the flop and gotten called, it would have been one of the worst beats I've ever seen.
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Old 07-31-2006, 09:01 AM   #35
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Raymer has done it again. Last year he got shortstacked very early, then had an enormoush rush at the end of day one that really got him going for the whole tourney.

Well the same thing happened this year. He struggled for most of the day below the $10,000 threshold, finally built it up to $19k or so, then lost to a straight which brought him down to $6k. That was the last update I saw before I went to bed. Now I look this morning and see he's got 48,900. How does this guy fucking do it?
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Old 07-31-2006, 11:53 AM   #36
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I don't know how Raymer does it. If he makes a run deep this year it would just be god like. Considering the past few main event winners before him never make it out of the first day it is remarkable. We'll see how Joe Hachem does today. I have a feeling he will play very tight early as he has the biggest target above his head. I predict he will make it to day two as he is a good player as evidenced by his WSOP thus far. He just has to be very careful and pick his spots to get lucky like Raymer is so good at doing.
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I gotta believe there are quite a few donkeys who see Raymer in a pot and say to themselves "I want to knockout out the former champ" go in with mediocre cards, and get beat.
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BTW, did you guys see that not only is David Williams doing well, but so is his mom? It would be interesting if they drew the same table.

I'm assuming Moneymaker is playing today? I hope he does well. People give him a bad rap, but it's almost entirely undeserved. He's not as good as Raymer, but he's a hell of alot better than Robert Varkonyi.
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Heh, wish I was there to see it:


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Louie Anderson F-Bombing it Up
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Old 07-31-2006, 01:45 PM   #40
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Heh, wish I was there to see it:


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Louie Anderson F-Bombing it Up
Louie Anderson has been penalized for using the F-bomb.

How do they penalize someone at one of these tournaments?
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Old 07-31-2006, 01:49 PM   #41
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How do they penalize someone at one of these tournaments?

You have to sit out for a set length of time. (Usually ten minutes for the first offense.)
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How do they penalize someone at one of these tournaments?
You have to sit out for 10 minutes. So you basically lose any blinds that pass your spot when you are sitting out. For multiple offenses, I think they simply increase the time.
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Um.. Cart.. wrong thread, dude.

I remember Matusow early in last year's tournament racking up 50 minutes or so at one go. He'd get penalized and add another F-Bomb just to make the guy say the new amount of time
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Uh, that's wierd. I see it in the other thread as well. ???
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Ah yes.. here we go, the famous Matusow blow up


Finally, Mike the Mouth Matusow, after a brief featurette regarding his prison sentence, gets into it with the dealer at his table. The dealer accuses Matusow of throwing cards at him. The floor is called over, and The Mouth is brewing - he's ripped, because he insists that he did NOT throw the cards at the dealer, and when the table members back up his story, he calms down and takes his seat again. He's whispering to the guy next to him, very quietly, and let's an f-bomb go as he's telling a story. The dealer IMMEDIATELY raises his hand and calls the floor to give Matusow a ten minute penalty! Matusow is incredulous, and begins to swear at the floorman.

"Fuck that!" - Mike
"Twenty minutes." -floorman
"That's Fucking ridiculous!" -Mike
"Thirty Minutes." -floorman
"Fuck you too" -Mike
"Forty Minutes." -floorman

and he earns a 40 minute penalty, as the rest of the table is left shocked and awed, and the prissy little dealer is quite satisfied.

(on his way out he gets a near-standing ovation)
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"Fuck that!" - Mike
"Twenty minutes." -floorman
"That's Fucking ridiculous!" -Mike
"Thirty Minutes." -floorman
"Fuck you too" -Mike
"Forty Minutes." -floorman

and he earns a 40 minute penalty, as the rest of the table is left shocked and awed, and the prissy little dealer is quite satisfied.

(on his way out he gets a near-standing ovation)
For stuff like that, can't the other players slow-play to keep the blinds from circulating so much? What if the entire table took a break in unison?
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:11 PM   #48
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:15 PM   #49
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For stuff like that, can't the other players slow-play to keep the blinds from circulating so much? What if the entire table took a break in unison?

Actually, this happened when Matusow got a 10 minute penalty in the 2005 WPT championship, where he pulled out a miracle card on the river, and said something like "F*** me, I'm lucky" (denigrating his skill) and got hit with the 10 minute penalty.

Most of the table thought that was kinda shitty, and slowplayed it, so Matusow only missed one hand.

On the other side, a player got hit in last year's WSOP Omaha Event when he was the massive chip leader heads up. Caused a huge uproar, since the blinds were getting up there, he had to stand and watch 10 minutes of chips being shuttled from his stack to his opponents..
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:26 PM   #50
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For what it is worth, all of the dealers at the WSOP have 0 tolerance for the F bomb. In the 1k event a guy sitting next to me dropped an F bomb very quitely in a normal conversation to the guy to his right. It wasn't directed at anyone and it wasn't in anger in anyway. The dealer immediately called the floor and the guy got a 10 minute penalty.

The guy was pretty pissed about it, but the dealer said that they were instructed to not let anything slide this year. If they heard an F bomb for any reason they were to immediately call the floor. They also announced that fact to all the players before hand.
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