Who gets fired first?

RomaGoth · 09-23-2009, 01:54 PM

In the spirit of Kodos thread about head coaches going to new teams, I have decided to throw out a poll as to which NFL head coach will get fired first.

The Raiders coach Tom Cable is listed here because, well, don't they replace their coach every year?

Warhammer · 09-23-2009, 01:56 PM

Tom Cable, he actually has the Raiders playing well, which is a sure fire way to get canned.

Tigercat · 09-23-2009, 01:59 PM

A vote for Oakland in this question is like voting the field on any other.

Samdari · 09-23-2009, 02:05 PM

This really boils down to Cable or Zorn - the only two management teams I can think of that would think they're going to improve the team by changing midseason.

I find some choices interesting RG. You did not need to explain the inclusion of Cable - if he cannot extract supreme performances out the supreme talent that is Jamarcus Russell, he won't last very long. And Singletary? Why would his name come up at all in a first to get fired discussion? They have pretty hands off ownership, a 2-0 team, and a coach that is pretty much the toast of the league right now.

RomaGoth · 09-23-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

This really boils down to Cable or Zorn - the only two management teams I can think of that would think they're going to improve the team by changing midseason.

I find some choices interesting RG. You did not need to explain the inclusion of Cable - if he cannot extract supreme performances out the supreme talent that is Jamarcus Russell, he won't last very long. And Singletary? Why would his name come up at all in a first to get fired discussion? They have pretty hands off ownership, a 2-0 team, and a coach that is pretty much the toast of the league right now.

Only reason I added Singletary is because he was mentioned in the other thread, and this is his 2nd or 3rd season (can't remember which). Professional sports teams seem to have less and less patience every year for losing, despite the fact that most of them continue to lose regardless of who and how many coaches they hire.

Subby · 09-23-2009, 02:27 PM

Zorn will be gone on Monday if they lose to Detroit.

claphamsa · 09-23-2009, 02:41 PM

that would be SOOOO awesome

wade moore · 09-23-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Zorn will be gone on Monday if they lose to Detroit.

:crosses fingers:

spleen1015 · 09-23-2009, 02:59 PM

Zorn won't get fired because dreams don't come true.

fantom1979 · 09-23-2009, 03:02 PM

I really think Phillips is closer to getting fired than most think. Zorn is another logical candidate. I don't see Cable or Singletary getting canned this year.

IMO, Wade Phillips and Norv Turner might be the most overrated coaches in the NFL today. How these guys continue to bounce around the league finding jobs is beyond me.

Pumpy Tudors · 09-23-2009, 03:02 PM

I like Jim Zorn. He was a great quarterback and a great man. I would really wish for Jim Zorn to always have a job in the NFL because he is really responsible for making the league what it is today. I would not watch the NFL if not for Jim Zorn. I would not be a Broncos fan if I had not watched them compete against Zorn's Seahawks twice a year back when Seattle was in the AFC West. Jim Zorn is a hero.

Edit: Crap, I'm thinking of Dave Krieg. Never mind.

RainMaker · 09-23-2009, 03:14 PM

I'd say Del Rio, although I have a feeling Mike McCarthy is on his last legs in Green Bay if this team doesn't make the playoffs.

Samdari · 09-23-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Only reason I added Singletary is because he was mentioned in the other thread, and this is his 2nd or 3rd season (can't remember which). Professional sports teams seem to have less and less patience every year for losing, despite the fact that most of them continue to lose regardless of who and how many coaches they hire.

He coached the last 9 games last season, going 5-4 after the team had started 2-5. This is his first full season. There is almost no chance he gets fired after this season, and absolutely no chance during the season.

RomaGoth · 09-23-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fantom1979

IMO, Wade Phillips and Norv Turner might be the most overrated coaches in the NFL today. How these guys continue to bounce around the league finding jobs is beyond me.

I have been wondering the same thing for years now.

flere-imsaho · 09-23-2009, 04:12 PM

It's the same with CEOs: the known is preferable to the unknown, especially to typically risk-averse owners & boards.

SteveMax58 · 09-23-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

It's the same with CEOs: the known is preferable to the unknown, especially to typically risk-averse owners & boards.

But they are known failures!! Shouldnt that matter?!

I agree with you, though. It really never does.

I went with Norv. I'm surprised to see I'm the only one. I guess Wade has a good shot at getting fired during the season...but IDK if SD drops a few to KC, Oakland, Denver, some other weak team....he may be out before the season ends as well.

RendeR · 09-23-2009, 06:17 PM

THe only team that might be pulling the trigger this early on will the the Redskins. That owner is the biggest moron in the NFL right now.

QuikSand · 09-23-2009, 06:34 PM

The Redskins theory is marred by the owner's attraction to the "big splash." Firing Zorn midseason and replacing him with... Joe Bugel? Russ Grimm? Some Guy? -- none of these amount to the big deal that The Danny is usually game for.

I think him riding out yet another disappointing season, and then making a "big splash" hire as Coach/GM (Cowher seems like the best fit) amidst promises of "total control" and so forth seems most in line with his character.

I voted Fox in Carolina as the first one out the door, as that team is showing (to me) signs of slipping into the abyss for this season, and from a distance, I'd be inclined to think that heads have to roll down there.

QuikSand · 09-23-2009, 06:36 PM

...and I'd add that the likely misery in Washington probably could have been avoided had they simply made the obvious move to sign Jeff Garcia when he was released by the Raiders (and after the Redskins oddly cut down to only two quarterbacks on the roster anyway). I think with Garcia at the helm, that might be a 9 or even 10 win team this season.

RomaGoth · 09-23-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

The Redskins theory is marred by the owner's attraction to the "big splash." Firing Zorn midseason and replacing him with... Joe Bugel? Russ Grimm? Some Guy? -- none of these amount to the big deal that The Danny is usually game for.

I think him riding out yet another disappointing season, and then making a "big splash" hire as Coach/GM (Cowher seems like the best fit) amidst promises of "total control" and so forth seems most in line with his character.

I voted Fox in Carolina as the first one out the door, as that team is showing (to me) signs of slipping into the abyss for this season, and from a distance, I'd be inclined to think that heads have to roll down there.

I can't see Cowher working for a guy like Snyder.

RomaGoth · 09-23-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

THe only team that might be pulling the trigger this early on will the the Redskins. That owner is the biggest moron in the NFL right now.

I think he pulls a close 2nd place behind Al Davis, with the entire Ford family (Lions) placing 3rd.

fantom1979 · 09-23-2009, 07:18 PM

Come on.... The Ford family has to be higher than 3rd. Al Davis has won before, Snyder only has 10 years of history. The Ford family has been running the Lions in the ground for 46 years. The Lions are 286-400 since Ford took over with 9 playoff appearances (1 win).

Samdari · 09-24-2009, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

I can't see Cowher working for a guy like Snyder.

100 million dollars can ease a lot of concerns.

CU Tiger · 09-24-2009, 07:31 AM

Cowher wants to stay near his daughter at NCSU.
If he is back in the league I think it is in Carolina.

Having said that Jerry Richardson hs too much class to fire a coach mid season. he has said as much in the past, that he hires someone to do a job 1 year at a time, if they are failing it is a bad hire and he will address it once he honors his commitment

Butter · 09-24-2009, 08:10 AM

Have to think Jack del Rio is in grave danger at some point?

M GO BLUE!!! · 09-24-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I like Jim Zorn. He was a great quarterback and a great man. I would really wish for Jim Zorn to always have a job in the NFL because he is really responsible for making the league what it is today. I would not watch the NFL if not for Jim Zorn. I would not be a Broncos fan if I had not watched them compete against Zorn's Seahawks twice a year back when Seattle was in the AFC West. Jim Zorn is a hero.

Edit: Crap, I'm thinking of Dave Krieg. Never mind.

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Bad-example · 09-24-2009, 10:02 AM

I voted for John Fox in Carolina. I have rooted for him since back when he gave Al Davis the finger and quit right before the season started. Still, that team looks bad. Plus, I have high hopes they finish with a top 5 draft choice since they traded their first rounder to the Niners during the draft.

Echoing what others have said, Singletary won't be fired anytime soon. Rookie coaches usually get some rope.

boberot · 09-24-2009, 10:21 AM

Torn between Wade and Zorn and went with Z.

Wade would seem to be in trouble if the 'boys falter in their $2.3 zillion stadium. Wouldn't surprise me if JJ would like to have a coach with a bit more sizzle in there.

What, no Dick Jauron on this list?!?

Coffee Warlord · 09-24-2009, 10:26 AM

Dick Jauron has this uncanny ability to horribly suck and still not get fired.

johneh · 09-24-2009, 10:42 AM

Do you think after the season when the Browns have gone 0-16 Mangini keeps his job?

Kodos · 09-24-2009, 10:46 AM

Or his Man-genius nickname?

RomaGoth · 09-24-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad-example

I voted for John Fox in Carolina. I have rooted for him since back when he gave Al Davis the finger and quit right before the season started. Still, that team looks bad. Plus, I have high hopes they finish with a top 5 draft choice since they traded their first rounder to the Niners during the draft.

Echoing what others have said, Singletary won't be fired anytime soon. Rookie coaches usually get some rope.

Technically, Singletary is in his 2nd season as coach of the 49er's, so he isn't really a rookie coach anymore. With that being said, he will probably get next year as well before he is on the ropes.

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What, no Dick Jauron on this list?!?

Oops, forgot about him....

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Dick Jauron has this uncanny ability to horribly suck and still not get fired.

Just like Wade Phillips and Norv Turner.

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Originally Posted by johneh

Do you think after the season when the Browns have gone 0-16 Mangini keeps his job?

He is in his first year, so his job is safe no matter how sucky the Browns are. I don't think they will go 0-16 either, remember they still play the Lions this season.

JAG · 09-24-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

The Redskins theory is marred by the owner's attraction to the "big splash." Firing Zorn midseason and replacing him with... Joe Bugel? Russ Grimm? Some Guy? -- none of these amount to the big deal that The Danny is usually game for.

Excuse me, there's a Norv Turner circa 2000 on line 3.

I went with Zorn for Samdari's reason (that being that Snyder has already done a fire-the-coach-in-midseason thing). I think Phillips is highly likely to be fired, but Jerry Jones has said numerous times that he's against interim coaches, not to mention it would leave the team without a defensive coordinator since Phillips is holding that role as well. Although considering how the Dallas defense has done weeks 1 and 2, I'm not sure how much that would hurt.

Pumpy Tudors · 09-24-2009, 12:42 PM

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Abe Sargent · 09-24-2009, 12:50 PM

Why is Tony Sparano on this list?

Abe Sargent · 09-24-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Have to think Jack del Rio is in grave danger at some point?

As I mentioned in another thread, if you know the Jaguars, they aren;t goi ng to fire Jack. Their failures were Shack harris's, and he had been fired.

flere-imsaho · 09-24-2009, 01:19 PM

OK, let's start with the easy ones: guys truly in their first year on the basis that almost no one gets sacked after just one season:

Mangini (Cleveland)
Schwartz (Detroit)
Caldwell (Indianapolis)
Morris (Tampa Bay)
Ryan (New York Jets)
McDaniels (Denver)
Haley (Kansas City)
Mora (Seattle)
Spagnuolo (St. Louis)

Then let's remove guys who no one in their right mind would think would be fired by their organization (a combination of past success, likely future success, and clear ownership support):

Tomlin (Pittsburgh)
Belichick (New England)

Just below those guys, let's remove a bunch of guys whose record of past success and/or support of ownership means they're unlikely to be sacked this year unless they go 0-16 or something:

Fisher (Tennessee)
Coughlin (New York Giants)
Reid (Philadelphia)
Whisenhunt (Arizona)

We can also probably safely remove 2nd-year coaches with great first-year success and good starts to 2009:

Harbaugh (Baltimore)
Smith (Atlanta)

Last of the "probably to certainly safe", this guy is tenured and has shown success/improvement and looks to have a good team this year:

Payton (New Orleans)

That leaves us 14 HCs, or just under half of the league with some suspicion as to their future.

I also think we should remove Singletary (San Francisco), as he's effectively in his first season and it seems hard to believe he'd be sacked this season, unless perhaps they lose the rest of their games.

Of the rest, it's probably easiest to identify tenured guys who really need to get some success this year or you have to think ownership will be looking for a change. Should they be eliminated from the playoffs early, they're probably done, and even if they make the playoffs they may need a run to keep their job. I'll list them from "most safe" to "least safe", trying to take into account the likely performance of their team this season and the capriciousness of their ownership:

Childress (Minnesota)
McCarthy (Green Bay)
Jauron (Buffalo)
Smith (Chicago)
Turner (San Diego)
Kubiak (Houston)
Fox (Carolina)
Del Rio (Jacksonville)
Phillips (Dallas)
Lewis (Cincinnati)

So that's 10, probably of which at least half will get sacked.

The final three are simply wildcards, based mainly on ownership/management. Parcells could can Sparano after an OK season, Snyder has shown no lack of patience in the past so you have to figure Zorn is history if he doesn't win a playoff game or two, and Al Davis is Al Davis.

Sparano (Miami)
Zorn (Washington)
Cable (Oakland)

RomaGoth · 09-24-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Why is Tony Sparano on this list?

I don't think he deserves to even be considered right now, but one never knows what Parcells will do when losing, especially after last season (which was overachieving to be sure).

Bad-example · 09-24-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Technically, Singletary is in his 2nd season as coach of the 49er's, so he isn't really a rookie coach anymore. With that being said, he will probably get next year as well before he is on the ropes.

Technically, he is considered a rookie coach. Realistically, he did get a head start in his interim stint.

Yeah, just semantics. Just pointing out that the league considers him a rookie even though he coached a few games in '08.

RomaGoth · 09-24-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad-example

Technically, he is considered a rookie coach. Realistically, he did get a head start in his interim stint.

Yeah, just semantics. Just pointing out that the league considers him a rookie even though he coached a few games in '08.

Ah yes, I forgot he was interim last year. My bad. In any case, it would be beyond foolish for the 49er's to fire him.

Samdari · 09-25-2009, 07:39 AM

Amazed Cable only gets third here.

Someone needs to do a "who is more likely to be fired at halftime of a game?" poll. Would Cable then win?

fantom1979 · 09-25-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

Amazed Cable only gets third here.

Someone needs to do a "who is more likely to be fired at halftime of a game?" poll. Would Cable then win?

Maybe, but he is the front runner for the "Who is most likely to have their owner pull out an overhead projector after firing him" award.

RomaGoth · 09-25-2009, 08:36 AM

The next coach of the Oakland Raiders

JeeberD · 09-25-2009, 08:51 AM

Please, God, let it be Wade...

Samdari · 09-28-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

OK, let's start with the easy ones: guys truly in their first year on the basis that almost no one gets sacked after just one season:

Mangini (Cleveland)

Just wondering if Mangini lasts even one full season. Lots of guys coach bad teams to 0-3 records, but there is a lot of smoke coming out of Cleveland indicating that ManWalrus has completely lost this team after just 3 games (more likely, it was lost after one offseason). If we re-did this poll every week, I'd switch my vote to Mangini, despite the loss that was supposed to end the Zorn tenure in DC (and there is still time left in the day for that to happen).

RomaGoth · 09-28-2009, 01:19 PM

After the first 3 games of the season, I can definitely see Mangini being fired after one season. I would be surprised to see Phillips back in Dallas if they fail this year too.

Now, just waiting on the report out of Washington indicating Zorn has been let go....

RendeR · 09-28-2009, 01:21 PM

If the Cowgirls lose a second straight game in the "Pharaoh Jones Dome" to a completely terrible Carolina team, does Phillips get shitcanned?

RomaGoth · 09-28-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

If the Cowgirls lose a second straight game in the "Pharaoh Jones Dome" to a completely terrible Carolina team, does Phillips get shitcanned?

Nice! ----> "Pharaoh Jones Dome"

Can't see him being fired until after the season, unless Jerrah indeed has plans on Jason Garrett taking over in the future.

bhlloy · 09-28-2009, 01:38 PM

Gotta be Mangini or Zorn now. Both seem to have lost their teams, Zorn with terrible on field decisions and Mangini with all the bizarre off the field stuff going on.

Del Rio probably bought himself enough time to outlast those two with a win against a decent Texans team.

Samdari · 09-28-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Gotta be Mangini or Zorn now. Both seem to have lost their teams, Zorn with terrible on field decisions and Mangini with all the bizarre off the field stuff going on.

Del Rio probably bought himself enough time to outlast those two with a win against a decent Texans team.

Well, the Redskins still appear to be trying to win games for Zorn. He just seems to suck at it. Everyone seems to want to blame Campbell, but, statistically anyway, he appears to be doing pretty well.

View Poll Results: Who gets fired first?
Wade Phillips - Dallas Cowboys	22	21.36%
Norv Turner - San Diego Chargers	4	3.88%
Jim Zorn - Washington Redskins	39	37.86%
Brad Childress - Minnesota Vikings	1	0.97%
Mike Singletary - San Francisco 49er's	0	0%
John Fox - Carolina Panthers	11	10.68%
Jack Del Rio - Jacksonville Jaguars	11	10.68%
Tony Sparano - Miami Dolphins	0	0%
Tom Cable - Oakland Raiders	13	12.62%
Trout - FOFC Fishmongers	2	1.94%
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09-23-2009, 02:05 PM	#4
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	This really boils down to Cable or Zorn - the only two management teams I can think of that would think they're going to improve the team by changing midseason. I find some choices interesting RG. You did not need to explain the inclusion of Cable - if he cannot extract supreme performances out the supreme talent that is Jamarcus Russell, he won't last very long. And Singletary? Why would his name come up at all in a first to get fired discussion? They have pretty hands off ownership, a 2-0 team, and a coach that is pretty much the toast of the league right now. __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

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09-23-2009, 02:41 PM	#7
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	that would be SOOOO awesome __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

09-23-2009, 02:59 PM	#9
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Zorn won't get fired because dreams don't come true. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

09-23-2009, 01:56 PM	#2
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Tom Cable, he actually has the Raiders playing well, which is a sure fire way to get canned.

09-23-2009, 01:59 PM	#3
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	A vote for Oakland in this question is like voting the field on any other.

09-23-2009, 03:02 PM	#10
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	I really think Phillips is closer to getting fired than most think. Zorn is another logical candidate. I don't see Cable or Singletary getting canned this year. IMO, Wade Phillips and Norv Turner might be the most overrated coaches in the NFL today. How these guys continue to bounce around the league finding jobs is beyond me.

09-23-2009, 03:02 PM	#11
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I like Jim Zorn. He was a great quarterback and a great man. I would really wish for Jim Zorn to always have a job in the NFL because he is really responsible for making the league what it is today. I would not watch the NFL if not for Jim Zorn. I would not be a Broncos fan if I had not watched them compete against Zorn's Seahawks twice a year back when Seattle was in the AFC West. Jim Zorn is a hero. Edit: Crap, I'm thinking of Dave Krieg. Never mind. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor. Last edited by Pumpy Tudors : 09-23-2009 at 03:02 PM.

09-23-2009, 03:14 PM	#12
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I'd say Del Rio, although I have a feeling Mike McCarthy is on his last legs in Green Bay if this team doesn't make the playoffs.

09-23-2009, 04:12 PM	#15
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	It's the same with CEOs: the known is preferable to the unknown, especially to typically risk-averse owners & boards.

09-23-2009, 06:17 PM	#17
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	THe only team that might be pulling the trigger this early on will the the Redskins. That owner is the biggest moron in the NFL right now. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-23-2009, 06:34 PM	#18
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	The Redskins theory is marred by the owner's attraction to the "big splash." Firing Zorn midseason and replacing him with... Joe Bugel? Russ Grimm? Some Guy? -- none of these amount to the big deal that The Danny is usually game for. I think him riding out yet another disappointing season, and then making a "big splash" hire as Coach/GM (Cowher seems like the best fit) amidst promises of "total control" and so forth seems most in line with his character. I voted Fox in Carolina as the first one out the door, as that team is showing (to me) signs of slipping into the abyss for this season, and from a distance, I'd be inclined to think that heads have to roll down there.

09-23-2009, 06:36 PM	#19
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	...and I'd add that the likely misery in Washington probably could have been avoided had they simply made the obvious move to sign Jeff Garcia when he was released by the Raiders (and after the Redskins oddly cut down to only two quarterbacks on the roster anyway). I think with Garcia at the helm, that might be a 9 or even 10 win team this season.

09-23-2009, 07:18 PM	#22
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	Come on.... The Ford family has to be higher than 3rd. Al Davis has won before, Snyder only has 10 years of history. The Ford family has been running the Lions in the ground for 46 years. The Lions are 286-400 since Ford took over with 9 playoff appearances (1 win).

09-24-2009, 07:31 AM	#24
CU Tiger Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Backwoods, SC	Cowher wants to stay near his daughter at NCSU. If he is back in the league I think it is in Carolina. Having said that Jerry Richardson hs too much class to fire a coach mid season. he has said as much in the past, that he hires someone to do a job 1 year at a time, if they are failing it is a bad hire and he will address it once he honors his commitment

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09-24-2009, 10:02 AM	#27
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	I voted for John Fox in Carolina. I have rooted for him since back when he gave Al Davis the finger and quit right before the season started. Still, that team looks bad. Plus, I have high hopes they finish with a top 5 draft choice since they traded their first rounder to the Niners during the draft. Echoing what others have said, Singletary won't be fired anytime soon. Rookie coaches usually get some rope.

09-24-2009, 10:21 AM	#28
boberot High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Western NY	Torn between Wade and Zorn and went with Z. Wade would seem to be in trouble if the 'boys falter in their $2.3 zillion stadium. Wouldn't surprise me if JJ would like to have a coach with a bit more sizzle in there. What, no Dick Jauron on this list?!?

09-24-2009, 10:26 AM	#29
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Dick Jauron has this uncanny ability to horribly suck and still not get fired.

09-24-2009, 10:42 AM	#30
johneh Mascot Join Date: Jul 2004	Do you think after the season when the Browns have gone 0-16 Mangini keeps his job?

09-24-2009, 10:46 AM	#31
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Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Why is Tony Sparano on this list? __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-24-2009, 01:19 PM	#37
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	OK, let's start with the easy ones: guys truly in their first year on the basis that almost no one gets sacked after just one season: Mangini (Cleveland) Schwartz (Detroit) Caldwell (Indianapolis) Morris (Tampa Bay) Ryan (New York Jets) McDaniels (Denver) Haley (Kansas City) Mora (Seattle) Spagnuolo (St. Louis) Then let's remove guys who no one in their right mind would think would be fired by their organization (a combination of past success, likely future success, and clear ownership support): Tomlin (Pittsburgh) Belichick (New England) Just below those guys, let's remove a bunch of guys whose record of past success and/or support of ownership means they're unlikely to be sacked this year unless they go 0-16 or something: Fisher (Tennessee) Coughlin (New York Giants) Reid (Philadelphia) Whisenhunt (Arizona) We can also probably safely remove 2nd-year coaches with great first-year success and good starts to 2009: Harbaugh (Baltimore) Smith (Atlanta) Last of the "probably to certainly safe", this guy is tenured and has shown success/improvement and looks to have a good team this year: Payton (New Orleans) That leaves us 14 HCs, or just under half of the league with some suspicion as to their future. I also think we should remove Singletary (San Francisco), as he's effectively in his first season and it seems hard to believe he'd be sacked this season, unless perhaps they lose the rest of their games. Of the rest, it's probably easiest to identify tenured guys who really need to get some success this year or you have to think ownership will be looking for a change. Should they be eliminated from the playoffs early, they're probably done, and even if they make the playoffs they may need a run to keep their job. I'll list them from "most safe" to "least safe", trying to take into account the likely performance of their team this season and the capriciousness of their ownership: Childress (Minnesota) McCarthy (Green Bay) Jauron (Buffalo) Smith (Chicago) Turner (San Diego) Kubiak (Houston) Fox (Carolina) Del Rio (Jacksonville) Phillips (Dallas) Lewis (Cincinnati) So that's 10, probably of which at least half will get sacked. The final three are simply wildcards, based mainly on ownership/management. Parcells could can Sparano after an OK season, Snyder has shown no lack of patience in the past so you have to figure Zorn is history if he doesn't win a playoff game or two, and Al Davis is Al Davis. Sparano (Miami) Zorn (Washington) Cable (Oakland)

09-25-2009, 07:39 AM	#41
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	Amazed Cable only gets third here. Someone needs to do a "who is more likely to be fired at halftime of a game?" poll. Would Cable then win? __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

09-25-2009, 08:51 AM	#44
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09-28-2009, 01:21 PM	#47
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	If the Cowgirls lose a second straight game in the "Pharaoh Jones Dome" to a completely terrible Carolina team, does Phillips get shitcanned? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-28-2009, 01:38 PM	#49
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Gotta be Mangini or Zorn now. Both seem to have lost their teams, Zorn with terrible on field decisions and Mangini with all the bizarre off the field stuff going on. Del Rio probably bought himself enough time to outlast those two with a win against a decent Texans team.

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