Eli Manning the top played player in the NFL?

claphamsa · 08-05-2009, 10:55 AM

QB Eli Manning*agrees to six-year, $97 million deal with Giants - NFL - SI.com

is he even a top 10 QB?

JonInMiddleGA · 08-05-2009, 10:57 AM

Please report to Post 907 of the NFL off-season thread

sterlingice · 08-05-2009, 11:00 AM

(top played player?)

SI

DeToxRox · 08-05-2009, 11:01 AM

Would people argue if Ben had signed for 98 mil? Eli is a better QB then Ben is if you ask me, though they're comparable. I gave Ben the edge in the other thread based on his two rings, but talent alone I'd still take Eli. Problem is the NFL doesn't have but 5 true stud QB's right now.

DaddyTorgo · 08-05-2009, 11:09 AM

i'd take neither and be happy about it

Passacaglia · 08-05-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Would people argue if Ben had signed for 98 mil? Eli is a better QB then Ben is if you ask me, though they're comparable. I gave Ben the edge in the other thread based on his two rings, but talent alone I'd still take Eli. Problem is the NFL doesn't have but 5 true stud QB's right now.

How many do you think there should be? If you're talking about a 'true stud' QB, shouldn't there not be many?

claphamsa · 08-05-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'd take neither and be happy about it

+1

they are both horribly over rated!

claphamsa · 08-05-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Please report to Post 907 of the NFL off-season thread

I avoid the monster threads :P

DaddyTorgo · 08-05-2009, 12:10 PM

to me eli always seems to have a scared look in his eyes and look "skittish" or like he has nervous-feet or something. I know it's not a scientific or measurable thing to say, just that's my impression.

Dr. Sak · 08-05-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Would people argue if Ben had signed for 98 mil? Eli is a better QB then Ben is if you ask me, though they're comparable. I gave Ben the edge in the other thread based on his two rings, but talent alone I'd still take Eli. Problem is the NFL doesn't have but 5 true stud QB's right now.

I'd take Ben in a heartbeat over Eli. Watch how many plays stay alive based on Ben's strength and ability to avoid the sack.

panerd · 08-05-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

to me eli always seems to have a scared look in his eyes and look "skittish" or like he has nervous-feet or something. I know it's not a scientific or measurable thing to say, just that's my impression.

Probably not scientific. I used to think the same thing about Payton when I would see him shuffle his feet in the playoffs until I watched a couple of early season blowout games against nobodies and realized that he had the same mannerisms then. I think that is just how the two play quarterback. If I recall Eli looked that way in Super Bowl 42.

Lathum · 08-06-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I'd take Ben in a heartbeat over Eli. Watch how many plays stay alive based on Ben's strength and ability to avoid the sack.

Lathum · 08-06-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'd take neither and be happy about it

easy for a front running Brady fan to say.

ISiddiqui · 08-06-2009, 09:00 AM

Well, when you have a QB that wins a SuperBowl (and is pretty integral to that victory), you have yourself, somewhat, in a corner. It's not like you can let him become a free agent. Your fanbase would kill you.

Lathum · 08-06-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'd take neither and be happy about it

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

+1

they are both horribly over rated!

right, I mean it's not like their teams won 3 of the last 4 superbowls.

Lathum · 08-06-2009, 09:07 AM

I pretty much posted this in the NFL thread but since Clap is a lazy SOB I'll post it here also.

First, Eli is a top 10 QB. He has a SB win, never misses a game, rarely makes a bad throw anymore and has led his team to the playoffs every year as a starter.

Second. Yes, they are overpaying a bit, but look at every consistent NFL playoff team and they all have stability at the QB position. I'll pay extra to know I am set at that position for the next 6 years as opposed to having a revolving door of the Jeff Garcia's of the world coming through.

Ask the Vikings or Buccs if they would give Eli that contract. They would in a second.

TLK · 08-06-2009, 09:10 AM

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Great Call Buck.

NewIdentity · 08-06-2009, 09:26 AM

Since the only money in the NFL that is guaranteed is the Signing Bonus, I say he is underpaid.

Eli Manning signing bonus for a 6 year deal was $38 million
Mathew Stafford signing bonus for a 6 year deal was $41 million

Do you really think Eli is OVER paid?

DaddyTorgo · 08-06-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

easy for a front running Brady fan to say.

i refuse to be drawn into a discussion of this with you - we both know we won't ever end up seeing eye-to-eye.

Lathum · 08-06-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i refuse to be drawn into a discussion of this with you - we both know we won't ever end up seeing eye-to-eye.

you know I'm just messing with you. Even I'm not a crazy enough homer to claim Eli is better the Brady.

Barring anything goofy Brady goes down as maybe the best of all time.

DaddyTorgo · 08-06-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

you know I'm just messing with you. Even I'm not a crazy enough homer to claim Eli is better the Brady.

Barring anything goofy Brady goes down as maybe the best of all time.

I know you're just messing with me. I just don't want to get all

at you.

Awww...best of all time? Really?

I'll tell you this - he's something special. It's amazing to watch how much poise and coolness he has developed, especially after his pretty pedestrian time at UM.

Arles · 08-06-2009, 11:35 AM

I'll gladly take Aaron Rodgers for 6-65 over Eli for 6-97

Logan · 08-06-2009, 11:35 AM

Brady's a product of the system.

(ducks)

stevew · 08-06-2009, 11:38 AM

I'd much rather have 8 years of Ben for 102, than 6 years of Eli(blech) for 97. If Eli gets this big of a deal, Rivers better dwarf it. Rivers is a much better passer and player than Eli.

But of course they both are bitches.

molson · 08-06-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Brady's a product of the system.

(ducks)

Every great QB is.

It's kind of the idea of football, to use your players to win games.

If your system isn't helping your QB out and making him better, you have some big problems.

larrymcg421 · 08-06-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles

I'll gladly take Aaron Rodgers for 6-65 over Eli for 6-97

OMGz, how can you say that?!!?!!? Eli is clearly twice as good:

Eli: 12-4
Aaron: 6-10

Dr. Sak · 08-06-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

For every 1 of those I can show you 5 of Ben doing it. That might be the first and only time it's happened in his (Eli) career. Have you compared the stats of the 2?

Ben has a better completion percentage, more TDs, less INTs, more passing yards, more rushing yards, less fumbles lost, and a much better overall qb rating. And they have started the EXACT same number of games. II know you love Eli but come on now.

larrymcg421 · 08-06-2009, 12:49 PM

We can list all of the players that are better than Eli Manning, but it's not like the Giants can sign any of them. If Eli took off, it would be a reboot at the QB position. If they like Eli and want to keep the QB position secure for a long time, then what they did makes complete sense.

Logan · 08-06-2009, 01:08 PM

Well said.

Lathum · 08-06-2009, 03:48 PM

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If Eli gets this big of a deal, Rivers better dwarf it. Rivers is a much better passer and player than Eli.

.

Rivers has more or pretty equal overall talent around him then Eli and hasn't won shit.

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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	to me eli always seems to have a scared look in his eyes and look "skittish" or like he has nervous-feet or something. I know it's not a scientific or measurable thing to say, just that's my impression. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

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ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Well, when you have a QB that wins a SuperBowl (and is pretty integral to that victory), you have yourself, somewhat, in a corner. It's not like you can let him become a free agent. Your fanbase would kill you. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

08-05-2009, 11:01 AM	#4
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Would people argue if Ben had signed for 98 mil? Eli is a better QB then Ben is if you ask me, though they're comparable. I gave Ben the edge in the other thread based on his two rings, but talent alone I'd still take Eli. Problem is the NFL doesn't have but 5 true stud QB's right now.

08-06-2009, 09:07 AM	#16
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I pretty much posted this in the NFL thread but since Clap is a lazy SOB I'll post it here also. First, Eli is a top 10 QB. He has a SB win, never misses a game, rarely makes a bad throw anymore and has led his team to the playoffs every year as a starter. Second. Yes, they are overpaying a bit, but look at every consistent NFL playoff team and they all have stability at the QB position. I'll pay extra to know I am set at that position for the next 6 years as opposed to having a revolving door of the Jeff Garcia's of the world coming through. Ask the Vikings or Buccs if they would give Eli that contract. They would in a second.

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NewIdentity High School JV Join Date: Jun 2009	Since the only money in the NFL that is guaranteed is the Signing Bonus, I say he is underpaid. Eli Manning signing bonus for a 6 year deal was $38 million Mathew Stafford signing bonus for a 6 year deal was $41 million Do you really think Eli is OVER paid? Last edited by NewIdentity : 08-06-2009 at 10:11 AM.

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Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Brady's a product of the system. (ducks)

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'd much rather have 8 years of Ben for 102, than 6 years of Eli(blech) for 97. If Eli gets this big of a deal, Rivers better dwarf it. Rivers is a much better passer and player than Eli. But of course they both are bitches.

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Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Well said.

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