Official Fire Can't Cameron / Release Trinterception Green / Kill Hizinger Thread

[Rizon]

It's about time we release that has-been, massively overrated old fucking worthless QB of ours and try to find something better, like say Rex Grossman.

It's also clear that Can't CANNOT win a friggin game, the guy has no clue what he is doing out there. Isn't Jerry Glanville available?? UGH.

PS: I'm hoping Fat Fuck Wayne Huizinga dies so we can pass ownership onto someone who knows what the fuck they are doing.

I'm just so sick of being a Dolphin's fan right now.

RIP Joe Robbie.

[Big Fo]

I'm just happy that we have vaulted ahead of Oakland and Atlanta for the race to the number one pick. I don't think it's Cameron's fault that the team can't stop the run, the team has just fucked up too many drafts over the years.

Green has looked dodgy, give Cameron more time, and yes I wish Huizenga would sell the team to somebody with a clue.

Ronnie Brown has looked impressive at least.

[Chief Rum]

Is Green the answer? Definitely not, and no one should have thought coming in that he was. He's just a caretaker. He's 37 or 38 or whatever he is. Not sure who he's caretaking it for (didn't you guys draft a 2nd round QB?), but that's what he's doing.

So not sure it does much good calling for him. He's short term anyway.

Cameron, it's only four games in. I think you need to give him more time. Although if he was the one responsible for drafting Ginn instead of Quinn, I fully support letting him go. That was the dumbass move of the offseason.

Huizenga definitely needs to go. That's needed to happen for some time.

All this coming from a non-Fins fan.

[hoopsguy]

What is worse, rooting for a team owned by Huizenga or Angelos? Death is not an option.

Cameron - meh hire, was hoping to be surprised but 17 point losses at home to the Raiders are not a way to inspire confidence.

Green - there is no reason to continue rolling out the veteran who won't be here next year when the season is lost. Before today you could argue that the team was a couple of plays away from being in the mix, but that goes by the wayside now.

[RendeR]

The Dolphins and their fans need to stop whining and start realizing that after so many years of doing well that time has finally caught up with them. The defense is ancent and playing that way, Jerry "Guarentee: Porter was never a super star even when he was being dominant in Pittsiburgh. now that he's with a wealker cast his weaknesses are coming to the fore. Green was the best choice the Dolphins had and if they had chosen anyone else they'd have been stupid. Honestly the Dolphin Fans need to sit back, let this season suck away and hope they win maybe 3-4 games so they can have a shot at some top draft talent. This team needs to seriously rebuild on all sides of the ball. You have Ronnie Brown, Green will make a great mentor for a young stud QB. Then pump some life into that defense because its a hollow shell of what it used to be.

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Jerry "Guarentee: Porter was never a super star even when he was being dominant in Pittsiburgh. now that he's with a wealker cast his weaknesses are coming to the fore.

Jerry is the one scoring the TDs on Miami, Joey is the one who was never a super star even in Pittsburgh.

[sterlingice]

Green just hasn't been the same since getting that concussion in week 1 last season. I think his play has been a half step slower than it was before and you just can't do that in the NFL.

SI

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Deattribution

Jerry is the one scoring the TDs on Miami, Joey is the one who was never a super star even in Pittsburgh.

Ok so even *I* typo

JOEY is the one who can't tackle a runner or cover a screen pass to save his ass. The raiders ate him alive running the ball and flipping screens past ihs slow ass all day today.

Oh I'm sorry, you were just being a homer, right?

[Passacaglia]

Maybe the Dolphins can sign Antwaan Randle-El, and Cam Cameron can waste his talent again. I'd like to see the look on Kodos's face if that happens.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I had no idea that Dolphins fans were so passionate.

I had no idea that Dolphins fans existed.

[Butter]

You lose at home to Oakland right now, it's time to pack it up and retire. This means you, Cam Cameron.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Maybe the Dolphins can sign Antwaan Randle-El, and Cam Cameron can waste his talent again. I'd like to see the look on Kodos's face if that happens.

I had to endure Cameron's coaching at IU, and now he is coaching the Dolphins. Haven't I suffered enough already.

Retire, Zach. This team isn't worth risking your health for.

And by all means, put Beck in. See what he's got.

Maybe we can get Schottenheimer next year.

[Coffee Warlord]

Rex has blown his shot in Chicago, Griese is even worse, and we don't have a running back.

Time to see if Orton is worth anything.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Big Fo

I'm just happy that we have vaulted ahead of Oakland and Atlanta for the race to the number one pick.

Whch they will use to draft a long snapper whose father was a good friend of Cam's.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Rex has blown his shot in Chicago, Griese is even worse, and we don't have a running back.

Time to see if Orton is worth anything.

I think you're in the wrong thread.

[Celeval]

You're such a baby, 'cuz the Dolphins make you cry.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Maybe we can get Schottenheimer next year.

You really don't want that.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Green was the best choice the Dolphins had and if they had chosen anyone else they'd have been stupid.

Actually, a better choice would have been the guy that just scored 5 TD's against us. Don't know how we would have been able to get him though.

Honestly the Dolphin Fans need to sit back, let this season suck away and hope they win maybe 3-4 games so they can have a shot at some top draft talent.

The pain of this season for Fins fans is not only the realization that we suck, but that the good draft pick we get will be ruined by Cameron. When a coach defends a controversial pick by saying the guy was a family friend, that doesn't inspire alot of confidence.

This team needs to seriously rebuild on all sides of the ball. You have Ronnie Brown, Green will make a great mentor for a young stud QB.

You mean like Brady Quinn? Too bad he wasn't available when we were drafting. Oh wait, he was, but we drafted a kick returner instead. If we were just looking for a mentor, there were certainly better choices than Green.

Then pump some life into that defense because its a hollow shell of what it used to be.

Given the amount of time they've had to spend on the field the past few years, I'm surprised they lasted this long.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Rex has blown his shot in Chicago, Griese is even worse, and we don't have a running back.

Time to see if Orton is worth anything.

Don't mean to hijack the thread, sorry.

Frustrating team to watch. The offensive line went from one of the best to one of the worst in one year (but I guess that happens when average age is over 32 and you have one lineman on the roster younger than 28). Ced has shown he'll hit a hole when he has one, but he's working with nothing this season. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Ced is a great running back, but he is on par with Thomas Jones and would do excellent in a zone blocking system.

Can the bears hire a competent offensive coordinator? John Shoop, to Shea, to Ron Turner. Since the Cardinals game last year teams figured out that they need to jump on slant routes and pressure Rex. Every single team has done this since that game and Ron Turner has kept trying the same thing over and over. This is indicitive of the Bears as a whole, though. Lovie Smith is one of the worst coaches in the NFL at halftime adjustments.

What I saw yesterday is that unless the Bears put Peyton Manning in at QB they're going to struggle offensively because of that line. It wasn't Rex's fault, its not Griese's fault, and it won't be Kyle's fault if he gets in. Ron Turner saw 17 games where Rex was pressured and instead of going with 2TE, max protection schemes he just kept doing the same shit.

The worst part of all this is Angelo has locked up the defense for the next 2-3 years and completely ignored the offense. They took another defensive end in the 2nd round last year (do they not have enough?). Instead of getting a high draft pick and being able to rebuild a bit faster the bears will be a mediocre team because of the defense and by the time the offense is rebuilt the defense will be old.

Angelo has done an excellent job drafting defensively, but he seems afraid to draft offense. I just don't get it. Next draft the Bears will draft 2 backup safeties and a couple more defensive lineman. Going to be a long time before this team is a Super Bowl contender again.

[Passacaglia]

Instead of getting a high draft pick and being able to rebuild a bit faster the bears will be a mediocre team because of the defense and by the time the offense is rebuilt the defense will be old.

At this point, a high draft pick is not out of the question -- espeically with all the injuries on defense. I think the next two weeks will tell us a lot, as they play the Packers, then the Vikings.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think you're in the wrong thread.

Yeah, reflex action any time I see Rex Grossman mentioned in a thread now. Or anything NFL related.

[MacroGuru]

Honestly give Beck the ball, I know it's my BYU bias, but he did some awesome play in the preseason, especially in the 4th quarter coming from behind to win games.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The problem with the Dolphins' draft isn't so much that they didn't draft Quinn — I mean, they may regret it, but plenty of later picks at QB have panned out better than first rounders, and Beck may be as good or better — it's that they got a complete nonentity at the #9 spot.

(And I'm at ND, so I certainly wanted to see Brady drafted higher.)

[Rizon]

It's a day later and I'm still not calmed down. I'm still pissed and angry.

PS: Ronnie Brown is awesome though, I love him. Best RB the Dolphin's have had since I was drinking Similac.

[bulletsponge]

Hmmm anyone see Izulde lately? he should be attracted to this thread like moths to a light. someone check his home to make sure he didnt hang himself

[Uncle Briggs]

I agree that's it's still a bit early to start lynching Cameron. The results won't be in for a couple of years. If Beck makes a solid starting QB, skipping Quinn to get him in the second was a good move. How good, of course, depends on what Ginn amounts to. I would have preferred one of several other players still available at pick 9 (Amobi Okoye or Patrick Willis, anyone?). It's way too early to tell with Ginn, although results so far are definitely not encouraging. Remember, though, two years ago this time people were moaning we should have drafted Cedric Benson instead of Ronnie Brown. And really, two opening day starters out of this year's draft (three if you count Ginn on returns) isn't exactly a bad draft.

Now on Green, he can mentor Beck just as well from the #2 spot. The season is in the pooper, so let our old buddy Cleo Lemon have the team for 7 or 8 games and see what he can do, then bring Beck in to finish out the year.

And yeah, Zack, please at least go on the DL. This season isn't worth risking brain damage.

[Uncle Briggs]

Double post.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Uncle Briggs

If Beck makes a solid starting QB, skipping Quinn to get him in the second was a good move.

That's exaggerating a little bit. For it to be a good move, a) Quinn would have to not be as good, and/or b) the Dolphins would have to have gotten a caliber of player at 9 who wouldn't have been available in the second round. Point a is yet to be determined, on both fronts, but point b so far is clearly coming out poorly.

[SunDevil]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Rex has blown his shot in Chicago, Griese is even worse, and we don't have a running back.

Time to see if Orton is worth anything.

That time has passed and the conclusion to that experiment was a no.

Rex or Griese can easily throw for 52 yards and go 6 for 15.

[Raiders Army]

Green was a system QB. Too bad it's not the Cam Cameron system.

[st.cronin]

I still think Kyle Orton could be a good NFL qb. He was not very good as a rookie, but very few rookie qbs are any better. He basically had the same pedigree as Drew Brees, he just got hurt his senior year, so he didn't get drafted as high.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Not to thread jack, but I really like that punter for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders..

[Poli]

Poor Cam. I can finally say I've met a NFL head coach...and dang.

[Noop]

It has been tough

Seriously we have the worst front office in the NFL. The #2 pick on a backup running back who is now showing signs of playing good. The #9 pick on a kick returner when Quinn was still around. Lets not forget all those 2nd round picks for a scrub player who did nothing for us.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by Noop

It has been tough

Seriously we have the worst front office in the NFL. The #2 pick on a backup running back who is now showing signs of playing good. The #9 pick on a kick returner when Quinn was still around. Lets not forget all those 2nd round picks for a scrub player who did nothing for us.

Yeah. You need those second round pics to trade for QB's!

[Uncle Briggs]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

That's exaggerating a little bit. For it to be a good move, a) Quinn would have to not be as good, and/or b) the Dolphins would have to have gotten a caliber of player at 9 who wouldn't have been available in the second round. Point a is yet to be determined, on both fronts, but point b so far is clearly coming out poorly.

I must respectfully disagree. A starting QB at second round dollars instead of first is a good move under a salary cap system, especially if you have cap issues like the Dolphins. Unless Quinn is far better, they at worst came out even there. As to your point B, I said pretty much the same thing, except that while I am discouraged, I think it is too soon to say Ginn was a bust.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The Quinn vs. Beck thing really comes down to whether either (or both) is good enough to QB a contending team. If Beck is or Quinn isn't, then it's a good choice to have gotten Beck in the 2nd round rather than getting Quinn at #9. On the other hand, if Beck isn't and Quinn is, then you look really foolish, esp. if Ginn washes out.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Uncle Briggs

I must respectfully disagree. A starting QB at second round dollars instead of first is a good move under a salary cap system, especially if you have cap issues like the Dolphins. Unless Quinn is far better, they at worst came out even there. As to your point B, I said pretty much the same thing, except that while I am discouraged, I think it is too soon to say Ginn was a bust.

Drafting a 26 year old QB isn't a good move under any cap system.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Drafting a 26 year old QB isn't a good move under any cap system.

Unless he starts producing right away, which we won't know until he plays, which brings us back to one of the issues at hand. Green sucks. We're not going to the playoffs, so we gain very little by starting him. Start Beck. Now.

[Subby]

Yeah people were getting all excited about the Redskins and I was like...dude...one of our wins is against the Dolphins.

Ted Ginn seemed like such a gamble at that pick and I was kind of surprised that the front office felt they were in the kind of position where they could afford to gamble. *shurg*

[Rizon]

Fire Can't Cameron NOW. Please dear God. And strike Fat Fuck Huizinga dead. PLEASE.

[Raiders Army]

Al Davis doesn't look so bad now, eh?

[Big Fo]

3-3 on 54+ yard field goals for the Texans, can't believe it. Still, after Miami downed the put inside the Texans 5 yard line it should never have come to that.

I wonder if we'll see Beck in the next few weeks or if Cleo Lemon will get most of the playing time. It can't make that much of a difference either way I suppose.

I'd also like to thank the OP for making me feel better about my sports obsession, for while mine takes up a lot of time and occasionally causes some unneeded aggravation at least I'm not at the point of wishing death upon people. I mean, look at the bright side, we have Ronnie Brown. Now we just need a few offensive linemen, a couple defensive linemen, an entirely new secondary, and a quarterback.

[Izulde]

I knew we were going to be bad this season... Like I said in another thread, we'd be lucky to finish 7-9.

At this point though, we've got a damn good shot at a top 5 pick, the #1 pick. I've made my peace already with how awful we are this year.

I'm -still- pissed about the Ginn pick and probably will be for a good while yet. I really wanted us to grab Okoye at the #9 spot, as our defensive line is ancient and the kid seemed like a great one.

Beck I'm not certain on. My original reaction was a major WTF-age, but from the limited reading I've done, he appears to be better than I initially thought.

Should we be giving Beck the ball? I'd have to say it's getting close to that point, if it's not there already.

Cameron's hire did -not- make me happy and still doesn't. But let's be honest here... you can't get much worse than Jimmy "Dolphins Destroyer" Johnson and Dave "I Get Way Too Many Coaching Jobs" Wannestadt.

Funny thing, though... our last few coaches have come from teams where close friends and/or family are fans of them... and I've gotten shit every time from the sucky hire we've made.

If Cameron doesn't have control of next year's pick, then a small glimmer of hope's there for the future.

In my opinion, we've gone from the playoffs team we were for quite a few years down to near-Raiders level and it'll be a few years before it gets turned around.

Yes, I know, NFL parity rapid turnarounds blah blah blah.

But I don't see it here.

The defense is too old, we're a sieve at QB, we still have -no- receivers who can catch outside of Chambers and even though I love following former Badgers in the NFL and was thrilled when he landed on my team, I don't see Chris as a #1.

Brown is always engimatic to me and can appear hot and cold, not unlike a RB version of Jim Everett.

But these are all the observations of a Dolphins fan who doesn't get to see them play except for maybe one or twice a year and I'll miss all of this season, so take it with a grain of salt.

Just as long as we win another Super Bowl in my lifetime.

The White Sox winning the World Series was awesome beyond belief, even though I celebrated alone. But that was baseball, which is probably #3 or #4 in my sports loves (Pro football and college football being #1 and #2).

A Dolphins Super Bowl would be incredible.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Please dont fire him till after Buffalo plays him twice. And please let Trent be fully healed for those two games.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Miami is looking like they can be the only modern team to go winless... Maybe the Pats will blow that "only undefeated team" crap up too...

Fun times in South Florida!

[Big Fo]

Meh, at least we won't lose to any I-AA teams this season.

[Kodos]

They are horrible. The fact that I haven't seen them play yet is a plus. Zach should retire rather than go through this crap. Then they should blow up the team, get a new coach, owner, etc.

Why have I been cursed with Cameron twice?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Why have I been cursed with Cameron twice?

I've resigned from rooting for one team in my life, and it was the Bears near the end of the Wannestadt era, although root cause was Michael McCaskey.

My second favorite franchise, the Dolphins, proceed to hire Wanny. I hope you don't have to put up with 11 combined years of Cameron between his two stints with your teams.

[Greyroofoo]

What would be funny is if somebody goes an tears somebody's Miami Dolphin flag.