Have we been invaded?

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 06:06 PM

Tens of thousands of illegals openly marching in the downtown areas of major cities, waving Mexican flags and chanting 'Mexico! Mexico!" One of the organizations of the event, La Rosa (the Race) openly advocates returning California to Mexican soveriegnty. Why is this not an invasion?

flounder · 03-25-2006, 06:08 PM

I think you mean La Raza (the Race) not La Rosa (the little pink one).

Crapshoot · 03-25-2006, 06:10 PM

I say - lets go kill all the brown people! Lead on, brother Bubba - you can show us the light!

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

I say - lets go kill all the brown people! Lead on, brother Bubba - you can show us the light!

Here's your mistake and your own prejudice, friend. You assume that everyone and anyone wanting the laws of this country respected concerning immigration are all racist white men and only those violating these laws are Latinos (what you call 'brown'). Facts are quite different. Many Irish are here illegally who would also be effected, as are many whites from Russia and other central European countries.

And those U.S. citizens who would 1. either like to work those jobs that go to illegals or 2. would receive higher wages for those jobs if the cheap labor pool of illegal immigrants was dried up are not all white men.

So, amazingly Crapshoot, you have not only shown yourself to be the narrow-minded bigot you like to call others, but you are also supporting those big, bad corporate businessmen that want all that cheap labor. Quite an accomplishment on your part.

gstelmack · 03-25-2006, 06:31 PM

While I am 100% in agreement that illegals are doing jobs residents aren't willing / can't afford to do, I don't think that means we should be legitimizing illegal immigration. It means we should change the minimum wage laws to allow for these types of jobs and improve the regular immigration process (something Bush has been talking about).

But this blackmailing that somehow being against illegal immigration is being racist against Hispanics is completely ridiculous.

cartman · 03-25-2006, 06:31 PM

Well, you specifically mentioned Mexicans in your post Bubba, so you can't use the Irish, Russian, etc. to later accuse someone of something. It's obvious you are a product of poor debate education.

Were we "invaded" when there were thousands of protestors in Seattle for the G8 conference?

No.

Were we "invaded" when there were thousands of protestors in Chicago for the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago?

No.

Were we invaded when half a million people gathered in Washington DC to protest segreation laws and hear Dr. King's "I have a dream" speech?

No.

Your xenophobia borders on the laughable, and it is hard to take any points you make seriously based on your arguments and the items you use to support those arguements.

Karlifornia · 03-25-2006, 06:33 PM

Well, as a Californian, I am mortified at the very real possibility of a Mexican militia overtaking us. We could wake up one morning and all be speaking that funny mexican language. I'd write a very angry letter to Governor Mencia.

st.cronin · 03-25-2006, 06:33 PM

I predict that this thread never exceeds the Maximum Football thread, either in views or in posts.

Antmeister · 03-25-2006, 06:34 PM

Bubba, if this is true, will you provide a link to a new story. I don't see anything at a scale this large at all. I doubt very seriously that 10,000 illegal immigrants are marching in protest, risking the chance to be arrested by border patrol. Otherwise cracking down on this would be way easier.

clintl · 03-25-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

While I am 100% in agreement that illegals are doing jobs residents aren't willing / can't afford to do, I don't think that means we should be legitimizing illegal immigration. It means we should change the minimum wage laws to allow for these types of jobs and improve the regular immigration process (something Bush has been talking about).

But this blackmailing that somehow being against illegal immigration is being racist against Hispanics is completely ridiculous.

I think if we are going to have truly successful immigration reform, we need to dramatically increase the amount of legal immigration from poor countries, and we need to crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants. In my mind, the businesses that support illegal immigration are more responsible for the problem than the immigrants coming here for a better life.

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 06:43 PM

http://drudgereport.com Just click on the numerous threads on the site. ABC news called them 'illegals.'

I also love the fact that Mexico, which has huge oil reserves among a wealth of other natural resources and should be among the richest countries on earth always gets a free pass for creating alot of this problem in the first place. If they were not a corrupt socialist oligarchy we would probably have alot of illegal American immigrants wanting to work in Mexico.

Antmeister · 03-25-2006, 06:48 PM

Bubba, please get the information correct. The first story I read said "immigrant rights advocates" not "illegal immigrants". There is definitely a huge difference.

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

Bubba, please get the information correct. The first story I read said "immigrant rights advocates" not "illegal immigrants". There is definitely a huge difference.

Every official and unofficial estimate on numbers of illegals puts them in the millions, whether they are marching or not.

Antmeister · 03-25-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Every official and unofficial estimate on numbers of illegals puts them in the millions, whether they are marching or not.

Sure, if you make it up.

cartman · 03-25-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Every official and unofficial estimate on numbers of illegals puts them in the millions, whether they are marching or not.

Your debating and fact finding skills are severly lacking. You start off by arguing that tens of thousands of illegal aliens are openly marching in the streets, and if we should consider this an invasion.

Now you are saying, well, there are a bunch of illegal aliens, and it doesn't matter if they are marching or not. What was the point of your original post, then?

Thanks for playing, please try again.

Cap Ologist · 03-25-2006, 06:57 PM

I think the invasion was planned by Maximum Invasion software. It allows total customizability for formations, weapons and propaganda. Unfortunately, they launched their invasion before enough 3rd party utilities had been made to differentiate between illegal immigrants and illegal imigrant advocates. However, we should all be alarmed at the thought of an invading army able to teleport to various locations.

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by flounder

I think you mean La Raza (the Race) not La Rosa (the little pink one).

Yeah, your right, La Raza...the organization the mayor of L.A. is or was a member of.

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Antmeister71

Sure, if you make it up.

So your saying the number is not in the millions?

Antmeister · 03-25-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap Ologist

I think the invasion was planned by Maximum Invasion software. It allows total customizability for formations, weapons and propaganda. Unfortunately, they launched their invasion before enough 3rd party utilities had been made to differentiate between illegal immigrants and illegal imigrant advocates. However, we should all be alarmed at the thought of an invading army able to teleport to various locations.

Damn it....I should have know. I think Jason "Great" White is heading this organization and giving a lot of confusing speeches.

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Your debating and fact finding skills are severly lacking. You start off by arguing that tens of thousands of illegal aliens are openly marching in the streets, and if we should consider this an invasion.

Now you are saying, well, there are a bunch of illegal aliens, and it doesn't matter if they are marching or not. What was the point of your original post, then?

Thanks for playing, please try again.

ABC news called them 'marching illegals." Different news reports on the actual mixes of legal/illegal marchers. I'm sure we'll get a more accurate breakdown in the near future.

gstelmack · 03-25-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

There's no need to deliberately mis-inform in order to be persuasive. Especially if your cold busted, who is going to trust the rest of your argument?

I learned that in speech class, I'm guessing that sort of qualifies me for some debate skillz.

From cnn.com (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/25/immigration/index.html):

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Originally Posted by CNN

Senators must also decide whether more than 11 million people already in the United States illegally will be given a chance to earn legal status -- a process critics dismiss as "amnesty."

Dutch · 03-25-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Every official and unofficial estimate on numbers of illegals puts them in the millions, whether they are marching or not.

There's no need to deliberately mis-inform in order to be persuasive. Especially if your cold busted, who is going to trust the rest of your argument?

I learned that in speech class, I'm guessing that sort of qualifies me for some debate skillz.

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap Ologist

I think the invasion was planned by Maximum Invasion software. It allows total customizability for formations, weapons and propaganda. Unfortunately, they launched their invasion before enough 3rd party utilities had been made to differentiate between illegal immigrants and illegal imigrant advocates. However, we should all be alarmed at the thought of an invading army able to teleport to various locations.

Ooooh...Maximum Invasion! I like that! Where do i preorder?

Eaglesfan27 · 03-25-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

There's no need to deliberately mis-inform in order to be persuasive. Especially if your cold busted, who is going to trust the rest of your argument?

I learned that in speech class, I'm guessing that sort of qualifies me for some debate skillz.

I completely agree. Also, this thread should be labelled POL as it is another piece of political crap from Bubba. Also, how the heck does anyone know who is and isn't an illegal alien without questioning each of them. It isn't like anyone has "Illegal Alien" stamped on their forehead.

Tigercat · 03-25-2006, 07:05 PM

We had some probably illegals working on our roof today. Oh no, they've annexed our house! Someone come and liberate us!

(*Does this mean I must now abide by government mandated siestas? Wouldn't mind that so much...)

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

There's no need to deliberately mis-inform in order to be persuasive. Especially if your cold busted, who is going to trust the rest of your argument?

I learned that in speech class, I'm guessing that sort of qualifies me for some debate skillz.

Tens of thousands of marchers in L.A. and you or anyone are going to try and stand on them not being many or mostly illegals? Good luck with that one!

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

We had some probably illegals working on our roof today. Oh no, they've annexed our house! Someone come and liberate us!

(*Does this mean I must now abide by government mandated siestas? Wouldn't mind that so much...)

Hope it leaks...buy American!

cartman · 03-25-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Tens of thousands of marchers in L.A. and you or anyone are going to try and stand on them not being many or mostly illegals? Good luck with that one!

You just destroyed your own argument, and you don't even realize it. Brilliant!

Tigercat · 03-25-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Hope it leaks...buy American!

Umm, people around here are lucky to get roof workers AT ALL. We don't have the luxury of being picky. Most contracters change their numbers monthly so they won't be overwhelmed by calls and people begging them for a new roof job. And besides, all the roofers are using illegals. Which are better than inexperienced local labor anyway, because the illegals are more use to construction work of this nature.

duckman · 03-25-2006, 07:11 PM

For st.cronin:

cartman · 03-25-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

I also like the term 'walkout' of students at various schools in and around the L.A. area to join the protest. Wonder how many of the students were 'inspired' by their liberal activist teachers.

I'm not aware of any schools that are in session on a Saturday. Care to show some supporting evidence to the contrary?

Tigercat · 03-25-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

I also like the term 'walkout' of students at various schools in and around the L.A. area to join the protest. Wonder how many of the students were 'inspired' by their liberal activist teachers.

Don't forget the commie teachers, those are the worst. I can't even count how many public school and college teachers that forced me to sing the Chinese national anthem.

Edit: Why does the timestamp bug love me all of a sudden? Ugh.

duckman · 03-25-2006, 07:12 PM

For Bubba:

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 07:13 PM

I also like the term 'walkout' of students at various schools in and around the L.A. area to join the protest. Wonder how many of the students were 'inspired' by their liberal activist teachers.

If your paying illegals to work in this country then your stealing. Plain and simple, your a thief.

duckman · 03-25-2006, 07:15 PM

I love how it's the "liberal activist" teachers that started the whole protest.

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

I love how it's the "liberal activist" teachers that started the whole protest.

Who said anything about them 'starting' it? I was commenting on all those 'spontaneous' student walkouts from schools to join in. Guess only I have to be accurate to not be called on it around here, but no one really pays attention to your likes anyways.

duckman · 03-25-2006, 07:18 PM

And people think jbmagic is fucking annoying. Geesh!

cartman · 03-25-2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Who said anything about them 'starting' it? I was commenting on all those 'spontaneous' student walkouts from schools to join in. Guess only I have to be accurate to not be called on it around here.

And I asked, what schools are in session on a Saturday? I would assume that classes have to be scheduled for students to walk out on them?

You haven't reached even the shadow of the accuracy bar yet.

duckman · 03-25-2006, 07:20 PM

I also love how Bubba goes right back to the same "it's the public skewl, doodz" when his argument goes to the shitter.

st.cronin · 03-25-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

For st.cronin:

Thanks!

cartman · 03-25-2006, 07:23 PM

So we've gone from being invaded by gangs of illegal immigrants, to the horror of teachers encouraging truancy on a Saturday.

You sure know how to make a point, Bubba.

Franklinnoble · 03-25-2006, 07:24 PM

Personally, I like the system the way it is.

The United States economy hums along with cheap illegal labor, and the immigration is kept mostly in check due to lightly enforced border control. The Mexicans are just happy to be here, and I'm just happy to have someone fix my roof in a competent fashion for a competitive price.

The protesters seem to get this. They're only pissed off because there are some folks trying to tighten the laws, which we don't really need.

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

Cartman asked for some evidence that this occurred on a school day, but you failed to show us any, so I don't believe a damn thing that you've said. Go back to being a lurker. WE like you much better that way.

Have a nice life. Your useless, never say anything worthwhile good or bad so don't expect any responses in the future.

Also, anyone who always speaks for others...we...is usually suspect in many other regards anyways.

duckman · 03-25-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

Who said anything about them 'starting' it? I was commenting on all those 'spontaneous' student walkouts from schools to join in. Guess only I have to be accurate to not be called on it around here, but no one really pays attention to your likes anyways.

Cartman asked for some evidence that this occurred on a school day, but you failed to show us any, so I don't believe a damn thing that you've said. Go back to being a lurker. WE like you much better that way.

Bubba Wheels · 03-25-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

And I asked, what schools are in session on a Saturday? I would assume that classes have to be scheduled for students to walk out on them?

You haven't reached even the shadow of the accuracy bar yet.

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/8233518/detail.html Started on Friday. Hmmm, yes, your accuracy is all documented as well I see.

Antmeister · 03-25-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

And people think jbmagic is fucking annoying. Geesh!

Good point duckman.

duckman · 03-25-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Thanks!

No problem.

Greyroofoo · 03-25-2006, 07:30 PM

Mexicans should stay in Mexico. However if they want to become citizens of the U.S., they should have the chance. I don't like the idea of waving the Mexican flag on U.S. soil however.

Antmeister · 03-25-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

And you can't debate yourself out of a wet paper sack and have the grammatical skills of my 8 year old.

Please don't compare him to your daughter please. You daughter could put up a way better arguement.

Antmeister · 03-25-2006, 07:34 PM

Man this time stamp bug is ridiculous

03-25-2006, 06:10 PM	#3
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	I say - lets go kill all the brown people! Lead on, brother Bubba - you can show us the light! Last edited by Crapshoot : 03-25-2006 at 06:10 PM.

03-25-2006, 06:31 PM	#5
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	While I am 100% in agreement that illegals are doing jobs residents aren't willing / can't afford to do, I don't think that means we should be legitimizing illegal immigration. It means we should change the minimum wage laws to allow for these types of jobs and improve the regular immigration process (something Bush has been talking about). But this blackmailing that somehow being against illegal immigration is being racist against Hispanics is completely ridiculous. __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

03-25-2006, 06:31 PM	#6
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Well, you specifically mentioned Mexicans in your post Bubba, so you can't use the Irish, Russian, etc. to later accuse someone of something. It's obvious you are a product of poor debate education. Were we "invaded" when there were thousands of protestors in Seattle for the G8 conference? No. Were we "invaded" when there were thousands of protestors in Chicago for the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago? No. Were we invaded when half a million people gathered in Washington DC to protest segreation laws and hear Dr. King's "I have a dream" speech? No. Your xenophobia borders on the laughable, and it is hard to take any points you make seriously based on your arguments and the items you use to support those arguements. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-25-2006, 06:33 PM	#7
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Well, as a Californian, I am mortified at the very real possibility of a Mexican militia overtaking us. We could wake up one morning and all be speaking that funny mexican language. I'd write a very angry letter to Governor Mencia. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

03-25-2006, 06:33 PM	#8
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I predict that this thread never exceeds the Maximum Football thread, either in views or in posts. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

03-25-2006, 06:08 PM	#2
flounder High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lynchburg, VA	I think you mean La Raza (the Race) not La Rosa (the little pink one).

03-25-2006, 06:34 PM	#9
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	Bubba, if this is true, will you provide a link to a new story. I don't see anything at a scale this large at all. I doubt very seriously that 10,000 illegal immigrants are marching in protest, risking the chance to be arrested by border patrol. Otherwise cracking down on this would be way easier. __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew

03-25-2006, 06:43 PM	#11
Bubba Wheels College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	http://drudgereport.com Just click on the numerous threads on the site. ABC news called them 'illegals.' I also love the fact that Mexico, which has huge oil reserves among a wealth of other natural resources and should be among the richest countries on earth always gets a free pass for creating alot of this problem in the first place. If they were not a corrupt socialist oligarchy we would probably have alot of illegal American immigrants wanting to work in Mexico. Last edited by Bubba Wheels : 03-25-2006 at 06:50 PM.

03-25-2006, 06:48 PM	#12
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	Bubba, please get the information correct. The first story I read said "immigrant rights advocates" not "illegal immigrants". There is definitely a huge difference. __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew

03-25-2006, 06:57 PM	#16
Cap Ologist College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Flower Mound, TX	I think the invasion was planned by Maximum Invasion software. It allows total customizability for formations, weapons and propaganda. Unfortunately, they launched their invasion before enough 3rd party utilities had been made to differentiate between illegal immigrants and illegal imigrant advocates. However, we should all be alarmed at the thought of an invading army able to teleport to various locations. Last edited by Cap Ologist : 03-25-2006 at 06:58 PM.

03-25-2006, 07:05 PM	#25
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	We had some probably illegals working on our roof today. Oh no, they've annexed our house! Someone come and liberate us! (*Does this mean I must now abide by government mandated siestas? Wouldn't mind that so much...)

03-25-2006, 07:13 PM	#34
Bubba Wheels College Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	I also like the term 'walkout' of students at various schools in and around the L.A. area to join the protest. Wonder how many of the students were 'inspired' by their liberal activist teachers. If your paying illegals to work in this country then your stealing. Plain and simple, your a thief. Last edited by Bubba Wheels : 03-25-2006 at 07:16 PM.

03-25-2006, 07:23 PM	#41
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	So we've gone from being invaded by gangs of illegal immigrants, to the horror of teachers encouraging truancy on a Saturday. You sure know how to make a point, Bubba. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-25-2006, 07:24 PM	#42
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Personally, I like the system the way it is. The United States economy hums along with cheap illegal labor, and the immigration is kept mostly in check due to lightly enforced border control. The Mexicans are just happy to be here, and I'm just happy to have someone fix my roof in a competent fashion for a competitive price. The protesters seem to get this. They're only pissed off because there are some folks trying to tighten the laws, which we don't really need.

03-25-2006, 07:30 PM	#48
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Mexicans should stay in Mexico. However if they want to become citizens of the U.S., they should have the chance. I don't like the idea of waving the Mexican flag on U.S. soil however.

03-25-2006, 07:34 PM	#50
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	Man this time stamp bug is ridiculous __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew

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