The OFFICIAL NHL 2009-10 Offseason Thread

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Gomez to Montreal for Higgins per TSN.

Is Gainey on crack?

Yeah SR just texted me to tell me that. Why would you want Gomez's contract?

[DeToxRox]

And Ryan McDonagh also goes to the Rangers.

This is an amazingly bad deal.

[DataKing]

Trying to free up cap room for free agents? What was the Rangers' cap number like before? (nhlnumbers is down).

[Pyser]

how do the rangers keep doing this?

you KNOW heatley isnt far behind.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Gomez to Montreal for Higgins per TSN.

Is Gainey on crack?[/url]

Apparently.

Originally Posted by DataKing

Trying to free up cap room for free agents? What was the Rangers' cap number like before? (nhlnumbers is down).

Assuming increases to RFAs, would have been a few million away from the cap with a couple huge holes to fill on the top two lines.

Amazing deal by Sather.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Pyser

you KNOW heatley isnt far behind.

I agree. I guess if I had to choose Gomez at $7.3 M or Heatley at $7.5M, I'd take Heatley.

[Logan]

Supposedly the Heatley deal is done.

Montreal fans on the hfboards are going nuts over the deal. Entertaining to read the thread, especially starting around page 9 when they realized McDonaugh was part of the deal too.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=656981&page=9

[Suburban Rhythm]

Or the Rangers sign Gaborik, and he plays about 20 games.

Gomez isn't terrible, just drastically overpaid. But from Gainey's POV, it makes some sense. He's losing a bunch of people and wants to make a splash.

Taking Gomez, IMO, is a better move than signing Gaborik to a new deal.

Also, correction to what I said yesterday, I've seen two different numbers on Guerin. $2.85 and $2.0. Possibly there are some incentives in there, which I think count against the cap until they are no longer attainable.

Also, Mike Zigomanis is not returning to Pittsburgh with Craig Adams signing. Good 4th line faceoff guy available to someone.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Logan

Supposedly the Heatley deal is done.

Montreal fans on the hfboards are going nuts over the deal. Entertaining to read the thread, especially starting around page 9 when they realized McDonaugh was part of the deal too.

[RDS] Chris Higgins traded to Rangers for Scott Gomez - Page 9 - HFBoards

You're right, this is pretty amusing.

I don't even know who McDonaugh is, but sure sounds popular in Montreal.

[Dr. Sak]

CBC radio is reporting the Sendin twins re upped with Vancouver.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You're right, this is pretty amusing.

I don't even know who McDonaugh is, but sure sounds popular in Montreal.

Their #1 prospect on Hockey's Future, #3 in another spot I saw. 1st round d-man from 2007. Figures to replace whatever D prospect gets moved in a deal for a scorer.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

CBC radio is reporting the Sendin twins re upped with Vancouver.

Just heard this as well listening to Team1260.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Logan

Their #1 prospect on Hockey's Future, #3 in another spot I saw. 1st round d-man from 2007. Figures to replace whatever D prospect gets moved in a deal for a scorer.

You know, I always feel like I should join the HF Boards and participate, but then I visit them and remember why I don't.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Just heard this as well listening to Team1260.

Was up on Spector's site but now he's reporting that the Sedin's agent has denied that a deal is done.

Sounds like some jumping of the gun ala the Luongo extension.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You know, I always feel like I should join the HF Boards and participate, but then I visit them and remember why I don't.

Heh, quoted for truth. I made an account there once upon a time but never ended up actually posting. Every discussion that even started off with some promise quickly went downhill. Makes me appreciate this thread a lot more (most of the time).

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Travis

Was up on Spector's site but now he's reporting that the Sedin's agent has denied that a deal is done.

Sounds like some jumping of the gun ala the Luongo extension.

Gregor also squashed rumour...funny how he'd blurt it out in the first place without confirming with sources. Douche.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Travis

Heh, quoted for truth. I made an account there once upon a time but never ended up actually posting. Every discussion that even started off with some promise quickly went downhill. Makes me appreciate this thread a lot more (most of the time).

HF is good for getting info as things break. It's there in an instant.

Most threads follow this pattern-

"Name a [young/old] [forward/defenseman] who you think is [overrated/underrated]"

If it's overrated-

"[insert hated player from your teams rival here] isn't as good as he's made out to be here"
"[previously mentioned player] is great, and untouchable in a trade from us!"
"Crysby is comically overrated, he sux!"

If underrated-
"[favorite player from favorite team here] is vastly underrated"
"Not as badly as [player from MY team] is"
"[3rd name] is better than both of them and will end up better than Crosby...he sucks!"

[Suburban Rhythm]

Dola

Lehtinen back to Dallas, $1.5M + incentives

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

HF is good for getting info as things break. It's there in an instant.

Yes, but after running a cost/benefit analysis, I have determined that I'd rather know things a few minutes after they happen than brave those troubled waters.

80% of the posts in that Montreal trade thread were some variation of:

McDonaugh!?!?!?! WTF>!?@?$@#?!?!@!?! ****ING **CK!@!#@#)_@#!#!

[henry296]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Pens sign 2

Bill Guerin 1 year, being reported $2.8M

Craig Adams 2 years, $550K per

Guerin is a little higher than I hoped. Tkachuk's got $2.1M to stay in St Louis. But he'll play out this year and retire, really fit in well, and Sid and him seemed to have a great relationship (the anti-Recchi?)

Adams...that is less than the $750K he made this year. He's a perfect 4th line, knows his role, plays the PK and generally keeps his mouth closed and fills a spot. That he does it at $550K for a team up against the cap is even better.

SR,

The Post-Gazette reported the Guerin contract at 2MM not 2.8MM. Does the extra 800M includes incentives?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by henry296

SR,

The Post-Gazette reported the Guerin contract at 2MM not 2.8MM. Does the extra 800M includes incentives?

Yeah, I just posted that a little earlier.

I saw both numbers, and neither is coming directly from the Pens, so I don't know what to make of it.

My understanding of the way the incentives work is they count against the cap until they are no longer attainable. So, if it's a games played clause, that is pretty easy to figure out.

What I don't know is if it's a goals/points clause. Say it's 30 goals. And in March he's at 10. It's obviously pretty unlikely at that point, but not unattainable.

That $800,000 could be pretty important to someone like Pittsburgh around the trade deadline.

[Pyser]

j.bo to calgary. 5 yr, 33m

[Dr. Sak]

Are you fucking kidding me? Damnit! Hindsight being 20/20 the Flyers should've bucked up for him.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Travis

Heh, quoted for truth. I made an account there once upon a time but never ended up actually posting. Every discussion that even started off with some promise quickly went downhill. Makes me appreciate this thread a lot more (most of the time).

the scary thing about the HF Boards is that they are about 8,000,000 times more intelligent than the official team boards.

[Draft Dodger]

link for the Bouwmeester signing
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283345

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

link for the Bouwmeester signing
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283345

Way too much money. That's Lidstrom/Pronger/Niedermayer money, and he's not that good.

Someone who is that good is Phaneuf. Does this mean he gets shipped out?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by TurnerONU22

I'd say its more of this. Tollefsen's is probably a 6/7th defensemen, but he's redundant on our roster (LH stay-at-home). He's a tough player, good at sticking up for his opponents, sound player around the net, but he's not a great skater and makes poor decisions with the puck when even slightly pressured. Biggest flaw is 'receiving the rush', he tends to come up and attempt to smash the winger against the boards, rather than staying in position.

While I'd love another hit on the backend besides Orpik, he sounds like he'd be more trouble than help.

Goligoski is going to get the green light to move up, so he'd be forced to sit back, and couldn't pinch on the boards being the last man back.

We don't have a net clearing guy, even with Scuderi and Gill. They are more of the tie-up sticks type. The guy the Pens get to fill Scuderi's spot (i've accepted he's gone) will have to be able to play the PK. Hoping Shero's Nashville connections come through and they get the next Rob Scuderi in Greg Zanon for abou 1/2 the price of Scuds.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Way too much money. That's Lidstrom/Pronger/Niedermayer money, and he's not that good.

Someone who is that good is Phaneuf. Does this mean he gets shipped out?

He's cheaper than Brian Campbell!

There was a rumor that Calgary would sign Bouwmeester and then trade Phanuef to Ottawa for Heatley. I don't know if that will happen or not. You can afford two defensemen in that price range, but the team does tend to get a bit top heavy, especially when you throw in a $7 million forward (Iginla) and a $7 million goalie (Kiprusoff).

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

He's cheaper than Brian Campbell!

Heh...Campbell was the first name that jumped into my head for being overpaid when I was composing my post.

[Draft Dodger]

cheaper than Brian Campbell is definitely not saying much.

[Maple Leafs]

It must be frustrating to be Paul Holmgren. You pull off the terrible Pronger trade, you go to bed thinking you own one of the NHL's all-time worst trades, and then you don't even win Worst Deal of the Month honors.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

It must be frustrating to be Paul Holmgren. You pull off the terrible Pronger trade, you go to bed thinking you own one of the NHL's all-time worst trades, and then you don't even win Worst Deal of the Month honors.

Here's a head scratcher. Who calls who to gloat first? Holmgren to Gainey for getting worked, or Gainey to Holmgren because he "topped" him.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

It must be frustrating to be Paul Holmgren. You pull off the terrible Pronger trade, you go to bed thinking you own one of the NHL's all-time worst trades, and then you don't even win Worst Deal of the Month honors.

Enjoy another lottery pick next year.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Enjoy another lottery pick next year.

He won't get the chance. Burkie's gonna trade it away.

[bbor]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

Gomez to Montreal for Higgins per TSN.

Is Gainey on crack?

EDIT: http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283329

Looks like there are some spare parts involved. McDonagh was the Habs first rounder a few years ago...still several years away from making any impact...if he ever does.

As a Leaf follower(and therefore a Montreal Hater) I.LOVE.THIS.DEAL!!!!!!!!!

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Enjoy another lottery pick next year.

Go stroke a neck beard.

[bbor]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Enjoy another lottery pick next year.

Hater.....Problem is Philly might still have a better pick than the Leafs.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by bbor

As a Leaf follower(and therefore a Montreal Hater) I.LOVE.THIS.DEAL!!!!!!!!!

I know. If the rumored Heatley for Penner deal comes through tonight, I might take tomorrow off, drink all day and light fireworks.

[bbor]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

He won't get the chance. Burkie's gonna trade it away.

A pox on you and your house.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by bbor

A pox on you and your house.

So you want that lottery pick?

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by Pyser

j.bo to calgary. 5 yr, 33m

[Fidatelo]

I love that the Rangers dumped Gomez, that trade would be fantastic if they got absolutely nothing in return.

[bbor]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So you want that lottery pick?

Not only want it...i EXPECT it.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by bbor

Not only want it...i EXPECT it.

You sound like a Clippers fan.

[bbor]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You sound like a Clippers fan.

Raptors fan....Tomato,tomatoe.

[bbor]

Reading the HB boards about the Canadians deal makes me LOL even more.

Did the ghost of Gord Stellick finally bite the Habs back?

For those who don't know Gord Stellick was the Leaf GM who traded Russ Courtnall to montreal for John Kordic.....Still known as the worst Leaf trade in history.

[DeToxRox]

Sources say Dany Heatley has been asked to waive his no-trade clause to go to Edmonton in exchange for Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner and Ladislav Smid. If Heatley agrees to waive it, it would appear that the Senators and Oilers will have a deal. If Heatley agrees to waive, it would appear the Sens and Oilers will have a deal, pending the official trade call with NHL central registry, but that is generally a formality.

From TSN

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Sources say Dany Heatley has been asked to waive his no-trade clause to go to Edmonton in exchange for Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner and Ladislav Smid. If Heatley agrees to waive it, it would appear that the Senators and Oilers will have a deal. If Heatley agrees to waive, it would appear the Sens and Oilers will have a deal, pending the official trade call with NHL central registry, but that is generally a formality.

From TSN

and Leaf fans were excited about Gainey getting fleeced by the Rangers? Tonight is shaping up like their Christmas

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

and Leaf fans were excited about Gainey getting fleeced by the Rangers? Tonight is shaping up like their Christmas

It's just preparing them for the inevitable CEI to Luke Schenn early next season.

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Sources say Dany Heatley has been asked to waive his no-trade clause to go to Edmonton in exchange for Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner and Ladislav Smid. If Heatley agrees to waive it, it would appear that the Senators and Oilers will have a deal. If Heatley agrees to waive, it would appear the Sens and Oilers will have a deal, pending the official trade call with NHL central registry, but that is generally a formality.

From TSN

Holy shit.

If it goes through you can take this for gospel...Penner scores 35 goals next season...but I won't give two shits 'cause Heatley should really give us one heck of a boost!!