72 year old women tasered

Racer · 06-10-2009, 10:27 PM

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNPuVh5eACw

I've seen videos of cops doing some questionable things, but am I nuts for siding with the cop on this one?

Lathum · 06-10-2009, 10:34 PM

YAY!!

just what we need, another thread about this!

molson · 06-10-2009, 10:36 PM

I will not participate in this thread.

Racer · 06-10-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

YAY!!

just what we need, another thread about this!

Oh, I searched tasered and didn't see it.

Tekneek · 06-10-2009, 10:51 PM

72 year old woman. Traffic stop (not a felony or serious crime stop). She is obviously emotional about it and upset. She is not without blame, but this is not a situation where you need to use a taser. The circumstances do not warrant it.

Racer · 06-10-2009, 10:51 PM

Is there someway to delete it then?

Lathum · 06-10-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Is there someway to delete it then?

this is the only thread about this specific instance

Lathum · 06-10-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

72 year old woman. Traffic stop (not a felony or serious crime stop). She is obviously emotional about it and upset. She is not without blame, but this is not a situation where you need to use a taser. The circumstances do not warrant it.

right, and I mean, it's not like he warned her he was going to taze her if she kept it up or anything.

Schmidty · 06-10-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

YAY!!

just what we need, another thread about this!

I WONDER WHAT LATHUM'S STANCE WILL BE?!?!?!?!?!??!11!!?!?

Schmidty · 06-10-2009, 10:57 PM

DOLA!!!

I WAS RIGHT!!!

WWOOOOOHOOOO!!! MY INSTINCTS RULE!!!

Tekneek · 06-10-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

right, and I mean, it's not like he warned her he was going to taze her if she kept it up or anything.

Use of that device does not become warranted just because you threaten it before doing it. I'm not allowed to do whatever the hell I feel like just because I warn you first. That's not how it works in the real world. You don't use a taser on a 72 year old great grandma who is upset about being pulled over for speeding. Police officers are becoming far too willing to use these devices in an ever-widening range of circumstances.

Schmidty · 06-10-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

Use of that device does not become warranted just because you threaten it before doing it. I'm not allowed to do whatever the hell I feel like just because I warn you first. That's not how it works in the real world. You don't use a taser on a 72 year old great grandma who is upset about being pulled over for speeding. Police officers are becoming far too willing to use these devices in an ever-widening range of circumstances.

A taser ceases to be a "safe" way to immobilize a person when they're in an age range like this lady. She could have died.

She acted like a bitch, but the guy was like 3 times her size. He could have easily used physical means without hurting her, or putting her at risk for a heart-attack.

(By the way, Lathum, i'm just messing with you. I respect your opinions, it's just we are opposite so much it's funny)

Lathum · 06-10-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

DOLA!!!

I WAS RIGHT!!!

WWOOOOOHOOOO!!! MY INSTINCTS RULE!!!

I hope someone tasers you

Lathum · 06-10-2009, 11:08 PM

in the nuts

Lathum · 06-10-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

Use of that device does not become warranted just because you threaten it before doing it. I'm not allowed to do whatever the hell I feel like just because I warn you first. That's not how it works in the real world. You don't use a taser on a 72 year old great grandma who is upset about being pulled over for speeding. Police officers are becoming far too willing to use these devices in an ever-widening range of circumstances.

how did he know the lady didn't have a gun and was about to pull it?

Schmidty · 06-10-2009, 11:10 PM

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in the nuts

Ouch!!!

Schmidty · 06-10-2009, 11:11 PM

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how did he know the lady didn't have a gun and was about to pull it?

She wasn't wearing a holster.

Although, maybe she had it hidden in her Depends.

Lathum · 06-10-2009, 11:14 PM

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She wasn't wearing a holster.

Although, maybe she had it hidden in her Depends.

well they are in Texas

Galaxy · 06-10-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

A taser ceases to be a "safe" way to immobilize a person when they're in an age range like this lady. She could have died.

She acted like a bitch, but the guy was like 3 times her size. He could have easily used physical means without hurting her, or putting her at risk for a heart-attack.

(By the way, Lathum, i'm just messing with you. I respect your opinions, it's just we are opposite so much it's funny)

Only problem I see in using physical means is you'll have lawsuits and outrage at the officer if he did that.

JediKooter · 06-10-2009, 11:24 PM

What funnier? "Don't tazer me bro!!" dude or the "Moaning tazered" granny?

JonInMiddleGA · 06-10-2009, 11:24 PM

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Only problem I see in using physical means is you'll have lawsuits and outrage at the officer if he did that.

Ding ding ding. And there's a greater risk of one or both of them being injured as well.

Tigercat · 06-10-2009, 11:29 PM

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Only problem I see in using physical means is you'll have lawsuits and outrage at the officer if he did that.

And the same won't happen over a taser? The thing about physically restraining someone is at least the force level is in (literally) the hands of the officer. When there are cameras around, I sure as hell trust an officer to apply the force needed more than a taser gun, which no one knows how badly it will react with someone's body.

Tekneek · 06-10-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Only problem I see in using physical means is you'll have lawsuits and outrage at the officer if he did that.

So it would be a better idea to use a taser? These guys need to be trained on how to deal with people reacting emotionally and be able to use those skills to defuse a situation. Not help escalate it and then shoot 50k volts into her.

Tigercat · 06-10-2009, 11:31 PM

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Ding ding ding. And there's a greater risk of one or both of them being injured as well.

Probably, but also a greater chance of the woman's death from a taser than a well trained officer doing the restraining.

Schmidty · 06-10-2009, 11:31 PM

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Ding ding ding. And there's a greater risk of one or both of them being injured as well.

There are going to be lawsuits anyway, so I don't see the point in this case.

Blah. This thread is too predictable. We all know everyone's reactions and points already. Pointless.

Tekneek · 06-10-2009, 11:38 PM

It was a simple speeding stop, and from what I have read he had already issued the citation. The dispute escalated when she refused to sign the ticket. I don't know how it works where they are, but in Georgia you don't have to sign it. It works either way and is legally binding regardless.

Why didn't he just get in his car and leave? Are the cops there on some sort of power trip? He had such a strong desire to assert dominance over this woman that he wouldn't just hand her the unsigned ticket and leave the scene? They so easily forget that they are really supposed to protect and serve, not dominate and control.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-10-2009, 11:46 PM

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The dispute escalated when she refused to sign the ticket.

And when she stepped out of the vehicle.
And when she starting cursing the officer.

But hey, we all know that older people can't be violent. I mean, nothing of note happened in DC today, right?

Galaxy · 06-10-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

So it would be a better idea to use a taser? These guys need to be trained on how to deal with people reacting emotionally and be able to use those skills to defuse a situation. Not help escalate it and then shoot 50k volts into her.

I never said tase her. I'm just saying he is in a no-win situation. You'll have outrage for tasing her or outrage for being physical. All because she is an older women (last time I checked, laws applied to everyone).

Tekneek · 06-10-2009, 11:53 PM

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And when she stepped out of the vehicle.
And when she starting cursing the officer.

That was AFTER she refused to sign the ticket.

Based on some initial research I have conducted, you are required to sign the ticket or you will be taken to jail. Not sure what he was waiting for, in terms of getting her cuffed and into the back of his vehicle. She is partially responsible for what happened, due to her being belligerent, but I have a hard time believing the officer went by the book (and if he did, it could use a revision).

Tekneek · 06-10-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

I never said tase her. I'm just saying he is in a no-win situation. You'll have outrage for tasing her or outrage for being physical. All because she is an older women (last time I checked, laws applied to everyone).

I will? How do you know what I would think?

Tekneek · 06-10-2009, 11:55 PM

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But hey, we all know that older people can't be violent. I mean, nothing of note happened in DC today, right?

And these two incidents have what in common, that truly justifies any comparison?

Galaxy · 06-10-2009, 11:55 PM

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I will? How do you know what I would think?

I meant the general public. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-10-2009, 11:56 PM

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She is partially responsible for what happened, due to her being belligerent,

Bullshit. She's ENTIRELY responsible for what happened because of being a belligerent idiot.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-10-2009, 11:57 PM

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And these two incidents have what in common, that truly justifies any comparison?

Whacked out senior citizens would be a good starting point for similarity.

Sorry Tek, but if you're wasting time worrying about this stupid bitch being tasered, you've got too much time on your hands.

Schmidty · 06-10-2009, 11:58 PM

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Bullshit. She's ENTIRELY responsible for what happened because of being a belligerent idiot.

I agree.

But tasing wasn't necessary. Legal, but not necessary.

OH LAWDS!!! HOW DID WE GET ALONG BEFORE TASERS!!!???!!!! ALL OF THEM BLUE HAIRS WAS TEARIN' US UP!!!!!!!

Tekneek · 06-10-2009, 11:59 PM

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Bullshit. She's ENTIRELY responsible for what happened because of being a belligerent idiot.

Wrong. Police officers do not deserve full compliance in every situation and nor do they deserve the right to taser anyone who refuses to go with the program. It is amazing the people that take up the "keep the government out of my business" mantra, but want a police state on the other end of things. After reading multiple accounts of the situation, and seeing the video, use of the taser seems excessive and could end up being a violation of the guidance from Taser International itself.

Tekneek · 06-11-2009, 12:00 AM

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Sorry Tek, but if you're wasting time worrying about this stupid bitch being tasered, you've got too much time on your hands.

And if you're worried about the government running GM and/or Chrysler, you clearly don't have enough to do yourself, I suppose.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-11-2009, 12:03 AM

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Police officers do not deserve full compliance in every situation and nor do they deserve the right to taser anyone who refuses to go with the program.

You're completely wrong on the first point & considerably wrong on the second.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-11-2009, 12:04 AM

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OH LAWDS!!! HOW DID WE GET ALONG BEFORE TASERS!!!???!!!! ALL OF THEM BLUE HAIRS WAS TEARIN' US UP!!!!!!!

Well there was quite a bit of hand wringing over the use of nightsticks & such so we had to come up with something to satisfy the bedwetters concerned about the well being of our poor pitiful cwiminals.

lighthousekeeper · 06-11-2009, 12:05 AM

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Blah. This thread is too predictable. We all know everyone's reactions and points already. Pointless.

did you predict this?

tell me... is this pointless?!

Schmidty · 06-11-2009, 12:06 AM

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Well there was quite a bit of hand wringing over the use of nightsticks & such so we had to come up with something to satisfy the bedwetters concerned about the well being of our poor pitiful cwiminals.

I'd rather have my grandma get hit with a stick than I would have her hit with a bunch of electricity.

And I love my grammy.

Tekneek · 06-11-2009, 12:07 AM

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Well there was quite a bit of hand wringing over the use of nightsticks & such so we had to come up with something to satisfy the bedwetters concerned about the well being of our poor pitiful cwiminals.

Are you suggesting that was the primary motivation for this taser device?

Tekneek · 06-11-2009, 12:08 AM

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I'd rather have my grandma get hit with a stick than I would have her hit with a bunch of electricity.

And I love my grammy.

But still, hit with a stick over what was seen on the video? Even that seems excessive. Do they provide ANY training for those police officers before sending them out into society?

JonInMiddleGA · 06-11-2009, 12:11 AM

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This type of response is hardly even worth responding to.

No, that would be the bedwetting bullshit you're spewing in this thread. And I'm getting the strong impression you're too far gone to be worth the trouble to even try to straighten out.

She fucked up. She got tasered. She lived & doubtless hopes to find a civil jury packed with useful idiots to reward her for her absurd behavior. And given the shitty state of common sense in this country, the odds are strongly in her favor.

The reality that if she simply obeyed the law in the first place none of this would have happened, nor if she hadn't made a continuing series of escalating errors this wouldn't have happened matters not to some folks.

I'm not sure what level of stupid you have to be not to realize that if you exit your vehicle during a traffic stop except when instructed that nothing good is going to come of it. They say you can't fix stupid which is probably true but it sure as hell doesn't deserve to be rewarded or defended either.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-11-2009, 12:12 AM

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I'd rather have my grandma get hit with a stick than I would have her hit with a bunch of electricity.

There's a better chance of significant permanent injury from the stick, so I'm not exactly sure grammy would agree to that trade.

lighthousekeeper · 06-11-2009, 12:14 AM

JonInMiddleGA · 06-11-2009, 12:17 AM

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Do they provide ANY training for those police officers before sending them out into society?

Yep. And they're often trained to use the taser as the next line of response beyond verbal command. As was discussed in the other thread last week, it often comes before making physical contact.

In simple terms, police are pretty much always authorized to use one level of force beyond that of the resistance they face. That's really a good thing for people to keep in mind whenever the interact with law enforcement. They don't have to stand there & argue with you even if that's all you do, there's no requirement for them to stand there & let you swing first before going to a level beyond verbal.

Schmidty · 06-11-2009, 12:17 AM

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This type of response is hardly even worth responding to. You're the type of person that sees George Orwell's 1984 as a how-to manual.

Wait.

I disagree with Jon on a TON of stuff. But I don't think the Left is any less close to what you describe, and I actually find them closer since they don't want to empower the people, they want to assimilate them into a "greater" society.

Shit. Why did I do that?

M GO BLUE!!! · 06-11-2009, 12:18 AM

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did you predict this?

tell me... is this pointless?!

Don't taze me, bro.

Schmidty · 06-11-2009, 12:18 AM

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There's a better chance of significant permanent injury from the stick, so I'm not exactly sure grammy would agree to that trade.

Not if they hit her in the hip!!!

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Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	It was a simple speeding stop, and from what I have read he had already issued the citation. The dispute escalated when she refused to sign the ticket. I don't know how it works where they are, but in Georgia you don't have to sign it. It works either way and is legally binding regardless. Why didn't he just get in his car and leave? Are the cops there on some sort of power trip? He had such a strong desire to assert dominance over this woman that he wouldn't just hand her the unsigned ticket and leave the scene? They so easily forget that they are really supposed to protect and serve, not dominate and control. Last edited by Tekneek : 06-10-2009 at 11:39 PM.

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Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	72 year old woman. Traffic stop (not a felony or serious crime stop). She is obviously emotional about it and upset. She is not without blame, but this is not a situation where you need to use a taser. The circumstances do not warrant it.

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