Fraudulent Beanie Babies

Glengoyne · 10-30-2003, 05:22 PM

This is a follow up to the Funny Ebay Thread someone posted the other day.

Enjoy

albionmoonlight · 10-30-2003, 05:37 PM

So, you buy Beanies at a discounted price because the seller claims that he does not know if they are counterfit. Then, when they turn out to be counterfit, you try to get your money back. I can only assume that the buyer, had these Beanies been genuine, would not have sent the surplus to the seller.

Consumer protection laws, in general, are necessary. Everything I know about this situation makes me hope that this guy is not busted for anything. However, perhaps he could get the Feds after his ex-wife for trafficing in counterfits.

Nyarlahotep · 10-30-2003, 05:52 PM

I find it extremely funny that she demanded he cancel the auction beacause of the high odds of the valuable ones being fake and then uses a second Ebay (didn't think you were allowed more than one) account to but them anyway after he blocks her first account.

sabotai · 10-30-2003, 05:56 PM

I can see this person's point, in that all she asked him for was a date on the tag so she could at least see if it was counterfeit or not by that, and he responded abusivly (If that indeed happened).

But, she had reason to beleive that they were counterfeits anyway, she bid on them and won. She knew what she was getting into and, IMO, tough shit.

sabotai · 10-30-2003, 05:59 PM

dola,

Nyarlahotep, I found that pretty funny too.

GrantDawg · 10-30-2003, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabotai

But, she had reason to beleive that they were counterfeits anyway, she bid on them and won. She knew what she was getting into and, IMO, tough shit.

Exactly.

Killebrew · 10-30-2003, 06:46 PM

More follow up from ebay Steve AKA the Drunken Sailor:
ebay link :

Dear friends of the Drunken Sailor,
I wanted to take sometime to thank each of your for the 1000’s of wonderful emails you have all sent me, praising my auction and telling me how funny you thought it was. Now even though I did say I did not want to get any emails, I smile each time one arrives. This little auction has been featured on Nationally syndicated Radio Shows and across the globe on chat lines, and has up till now already been clicked on 350,000 times! GULP!

The description for the latest auction is hilarious and the count on the original auction is now almost 700,000 hits.

GrantDawg · 10-30-2003, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Final Notice and Disclaimer: I know nothing about these stuffed Beanie Babies. I offer no proof of anything. It is a stuffed animal, get over it! I don't think my ex-wife was in the Black Market Beanie Trade..but then again, I didn't know she was having an affair either! Thus no gauruntees! All have theior little Heart Shaped tags on their ears.

I'd say from this qoute that the lady has no chance of getting her money back. He never promised once that these were real, so she has absolutely no recourse that I can see.

Schmidty · 10-30-2003, 06:54 PM

The lady is a moron, but the guy is an even worse jackass. I hope he drinks some of that beer while he's using his power tools.

sabotai · 10-30-2003, 06:54 PM

The problem is, according to the website posted above, it's still illegal, regardless of any disclaimers he puts. Knowingly or unknowingly putting a counterfeit anything into the marketplace is against the law. (According to website posted above)

Ksyrup · 10-30-2003, 07:18 PM

Did anyone else come to the conclusion that the wife knew these were counterfeit and purposely left them with him, knowing that he was active on Ebay and would try to sell them? She gets the last laugh if anything comes of it.

Blackadar · 10-30-2003, 07:40 PM

My guess is that the account has been hijacked and is now being used by a thief. Pretty common on EBay.

Leonidas · 10-30-2003, 08:44 PM

Of course you realize the only reason I even looked at this thread was to rag on whoever posted it.

JimboJ · 10-31-2003, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabotai
The problem is, according to the website posted above, it's still illegal, regardless of any disclaimers he puts. Knowingly or unknowingly putting a counterfeit anything into the marketplace is against the law. (According to website posted above)

Correct. This guy seems like a clueless, disgruntled husband, but who's to say this is not an elaborate scheme to sell counterfeit beanie babies? Even if its not, I bet there are thousands of people out there now who are thinking about how they can use this guy's idea. If they don't prosecute this guy, its just going to open the floodgates.

Samdari · 10-31-2003, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabotai
The problem is, according to the website posted above, it's still illegal, regardless of any disclaimers he puts. Knowingly or unknowingly putting a counterfeit anything into the marketplace is against the law. (According to website posted above)

Well, I just cannot take that site seriously as a source of information. They may be right, but from my experience, even legitimate collection agencies will tell you anything, including lies about any relevant laws, to get you to pay. This traderlist seems to be like a small time, internet collection agency for the masses. Since lies on the internet seem to run 10 times that of real life, I cannot imagine what kind of ethics an internet based collection agency might have.

I do find humorous this woman's claims that she was "between a rock and a hard place" in deciding whether or not to bid. Huh? How were you in any way forced to bid? What horrible thing happens if these items are real and you don't get them?

I am however, now desperately trying to come up with an idea in which I can make products for virtually nothing, and find some way to artificially inflate their value. If the idea really takes off, I may counterfeit myself, thus increasing the value of the 'real' items.

fantastic flying froggies · 10-31-2003, 07:41 AM

I read the tittle of this thread as FLATULENT Beanie Babies.

Scary mental image there for a second...

Balldog · 10-31-2003, 03:37 PM

This guy seems to be a business guru.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=2960761236

sabotai · 10-31-2003, 05:49 PM

"Well, I just cannot take that site seriously as a source of information. They may be right, but from my experience, even legitimate collection agencies will tell you anything, including lies about any relevant laws, to get you to pay. "

Right. I was wondering if any of the lawyers in the crowd could shed some light on this.

Glengoyne · 10-31-2003, 09:57 PM

I have been told by a friend that if you actually follow the links in the threatening email, they display a set of laws. Those laws apparently make it pretty clear, you have to knowingly misrepresent the counterfeit items as genuine. Now keep in mind that my friend isn't a lawyer, but he has been sued.

MrBug708 · 10-31-2003, 10:15 PM

I dont think he ever claimed they were "Ty" Beanie Babies, just Beanie Babies. He said they had a heart shaped tag too

Then again, what do I kjow

Neuqua · 10-31-2003, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
I dont think he ever claimed they were "Ty" Beanie Babies, just Beanie Babies. He said they had a heart shaped tag too

Then again, what do I kjow

It was you, wasn't it?

MrBug708 · 10-31-2003, 10:29 PM

Heh. Why would I EVER sell my Beanie Babies for that little amount of cash

Schmidty · 10-31-2003, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrBug708
Heh. Why would I EVER sell my Beanie Babies for that little amount of cash

I feel the same way about Marmel's sperm.

10-30-2003, 06:46 PM	#7
Killebrew H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Feb 2003	More follow up from ebay Steve AKA the Drunken Sailor: ebay link : Dear friends of the Drunken Sailor, I wanted to take sometime to thank each of your for the 1000’s of wonderful emails you have all sent me, praising my auction and telling me how funny you thought it was. Now even though I did say I did not want to get any emails, I smile each time one arrives. This little auction has been featured on Nationally syndicated Radio Shows and across the globe on chat lines, and has up till now already been clicked on 350,000 times! GULP! The description for the latest auction is hilarious and the count on the original auction is now almost 700,000 hits. __________________ Coward of the Country

10-30-2003, 06:54 PM	#9
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	The lady is a moron, but the guy is an even worse jackass. I hope he drinks some of that beer while he's using his power tools. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

10-30-2003, 07:18 PM	#11
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Did anyone else come to the conclusion that the wife knew these were counterfeit and purposely left them with him, knowing that he was active on Ebay and would try to sell them? She gets the last laugh if anything comes of it. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-30-2003, 08:44 PM	#13
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	Of course you realize the only reason I even looked at this thread was to rag on whoever posted it. __________________ Molon labe

10-30-2003, 05:37 PM	#2
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	So, you buy Beanies at a discounted price because the seller claims that he does not know if they are counterfit. Then, when they turn out to be counterfit, you try to get your money back. I can only assume that the buyer, had these Beanies been genuine, would not have sent the surplus to the seller. Consumer protection laws, in general, are necessary. Everything I know about this situation makes me hope that this guy is not busted for anything. However, perhaps he could get the Feds after his ex-wife for trafficing in counterfits.

10-30-2003, 05:52 PM	#3
Nyarlahotep College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003	I find it extremely funny that she demanded he cancel the auction beacause of the high odds of the valuable ones being fake and then uses a second Ebay (didn't think you were allowed more than one) account to but them anyway after he blocks her first account.

10-30-2003, 05:56 PM	#4
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I can see this person's point, in that all she asked him for was a date on the tag so she could at least see if it was counterfeit or not by that, and he responded abusivly (If that indeed happened). But, she had reason to beleive that they were counterfeits anyway, she bid on them and won. She knew what she was getting into and, IMO, tough shit.

10-30-2003, 05:59 PM	#5
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	dola, Nyarlahotep, I found that pretty funny too.

10-30-2003, 07:40 PM	#12
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	My guess is that the account has been hijacked and is now being used by a thief. Pretty common on EBay.

10-31-2003, 07:41 AM	#16
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	I read the tittle of this thread as FLATULENT Beanie Babies. Scary mental image there for a second...

10-31-2003, 03:37 PM	#17
Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	This guy seems to be a business guru. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=2960761236

10-31-2003, 05:49 PM	#18
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	"Well, I just cannot take that site seriously as a source of information. They may be right, but from my experience, even legitimate collection agencies will tell you anything, including lies about any relevant laws, to get you to pay. " Right. I was wondering if any of the lawyers in the crowd could shed some light on this.

10-31-2003, 09:57 PM	#19
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I have been told by a friend that if you actually follow the links in the threatening email, they display a set of laws. Those laws apparently make it pretty clear, you have to knowingly misrepresent the counterfeit items as genuine. Now keep in mind that my friend isn't a lawyer, but he has been sued.

10-31-2003, 10:15 PM	#20
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I dont think he ever claimed they were "Ty" Beanie Babies, just Beanie Babies. He said they had a heart shaped tag too Then again, what do I kjow

10-31-2003, 10:29 PM	#22
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Heh. Why would I EVER sell my Beanie Babies for that little amount of cash

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