It's the end of the month... (First FOF2K4 screen shot inside)

mtaystl03 · 10-30-2003, 10:52 AM

...weren't we promised something around now? I hope we can get our first taste of the game in next couple of days.

Hands to the Face · 10-30-2003, 11:02 AM

No need to get your knickers in a twist. . .

Ben E Lou · 10-30-2003, 11:04 AM

From the Solecismic web site:

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We will have screen shots for Front Office Football 2004 available by the end of the month.

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We will have a demo of Front Office Football 2004 available most likely by the end of October.

I, for one, would much rather Jim focus on coding the game and hammering out bugs and tweaks to get it ready for release, and THEN worry about screen shots and a demo.

Vince · 10-30-2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
I, for one, would much rather Jim focus on coding the game and hammering out bugs and tweaks to get it ready for release, and THEN worry about screen shots and a demo.

Though I totally agree with you, SkyDog, shouldn't it be pretty easy to throw some screenshots out there? Unless he's planning on changing the interface before release...

albionmoonlight · 10-30-2003, 11:11 AM

He has to get a universe up with fake players in order to post the screen shots. And it probably takes longer to get just the right one than we realize (i.e.--You wait for a screenshot where there are 3 stud QBs from whom to choose at the top of the draft--not one where there are 2 kick-ass guards and a punter).

Franklinnoble · 10-30-2003, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by Vince
Though I totally agree with you, SkyDog, shouldn't it be pretty easy to throw some screenshots out there? Unless he's planning on changing the interface before release...

I believe Jim said that the reason there are no screen shots is because he's got real player names in the game right now, and he needs to re-name the guys before he takes screen shots.

That sounds like a tedious and time consuming process, and it's basically a cosmetic touch. It's a low priority, and, hence, so are the screen shots.

Besides, what are you expecting to see? From what everyone's said, it looks pretty much just like FOF4, just with some new features added in. I don't care if there are ever any screen shots, because I will probably never bother to look at them. The features of the game and the opinion of the folks here who get to review it are what's selling it to me - not what the interface looks like.

Bottom line... screen shots are like going to a nudie bar. Sure, they might be nice to look at, but in the end you're disappointed, because you're still going to have to go home alone and just masturbate while thinking about it.

Ben E Lou · 10-30-2003, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by Vince
Though I totally agree with you, SkyDog, shouldn't it be pretty easy to throw some screenshots out there? Unless he's planning on changing the interface before release...

Well, I don't know Jim's beta process. I do know that if it is similar to Shaun's, there simply might not be time for anything but coding and reading feedback. (I was very surprised that he was willing and able to do a Q&A. As much as I argued against it in the distant past, I now see that is one of the many advantages of "it will be released when it is ready.") On the Puresim beta, there was a full new start-a-new-career beta build coming out just about every 12-18 hours for 2-3 weeks if I recall, and that was without a named release date to meet.

Ben E Lou · 10-30-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Bottom line... screen shots are like going to a nudie bar. Sure, they might be nice to look at, but in the end you're disappointed, because you're still going to have to go home alone and just masturbate while thinking about it.

That brought a tear to my eye. I love FOFC.

Vince · 10-30-2003, 11:19 AM

Good points all...I forgot about the fake player names.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-30-2003, 12:26 PM

I can't wait to see this game, but I agree with others, I'd much rather see the bugs and tweaks worked out before a demo is released. That being said, I hope it is ready for release soon

Ksyrup · 10-30-2003, 12:33 PM

Especially when the demo, if it's like the previous FOF demos, won't get into the couple of major areas that have been changed. Just play the FOF4 demo if you're jonesin' for an FOF demo.

mtaystl03 · 10-30-2003, 12:49 PM

Good points. I just think if Jim says he will have these things by a certain time I would tend to believe he wouldn't let us down. And if we arent going to get some screenshots and a demo because he need to really work on improving the code and all of that, I hope he lets us all know!

Bee · 10-30-2003, 12:51 PM

I believe Jim has said a couple times that screenshots and the demo aren't high on his priority list. He'll try to get them out by the end of the month, but I would say he's been pretty up front that it might not happen.

mtaystl03 · 10-30-2003, 12:53 PM

Oh ok. I must not of picked up on that. Thanks!

pjstp20 · 10-30-2003, 01:22 PM

Seems like the latest trend in sports sims is not meeting deadlines. Why not just not announce one? Just be vague about when things are coming out instead of giving specific dates. I think its a marketting tactic to bring hype to a release.

Icy · 10-30-2003, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by Ksyrup
Especially when the demo, if it's like the previous FOF demos, won't get into the couple of major areas that have been changed. Just play the FOF4 demo if you're jonesin' for an FOF demo.

I think the same, if the interface is the same than FOF4 and the best improvements are on the draft and FA and knowing that the beta only allows you to play 2 weeks, where is the point on a demo? will be the same demo than for FOF4 as in two weeks you can't see the changes made. The same goes for the screenshots, i don't think anything will surprise us. Insted of that i preffer Jim to use that time to bring us the game asap.

mtaystl03 · 10-30-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by pjstp20
I think its a marketting tactic to bring hype to a release.

I would also have to agree with this point.

Solecismic · 10-31-2003, 07:23 AM

I'm not trying to let people down. I'm just trying to concentrate on what needs to take priority right now.

Screen shots and a demo won't be long now. I'll go back to the "few days" comment. "Few" being a much smaller number than last time.

Here's one... in time for the deadline. I hope people intending to run a league like it.

GrantDawg · 10-31-2003, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by Solecismic
I'm not trying to let people down. I'm just trying to concentrate on what needs to take priority right now.

Screen shots and a demo won't be long now. I'll go back to the "few days" comment. "Few" being a much smaller number than last time.

Here's one... in time for the deadline. I hope people intending to run a league like it.

Cool. Thanks Jim.

FBPro · 10-31-2003, 07:32 AM

Thanks Jim, still ready and waiting.

Ben E Lou · 10-31-2003, 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by Solecismic
I'm not trying to let people down. I'm just trying to concentrate on what needs to take priority right now.

Screen shots and a demo won't be long now. I'll go back to the "few days" comment. "Few" being a much smaller number than last time.

Here's one... in time for the deadline. I hope people intending to run a league like it.

Nice! So from this, it appears that we can move teams anywhere we choose, with location consequences such as weather and fan base becoming a factor. Or (probably will be done more often in multi leagues), we could move all 32 teams to NYC so everyone has a level playing field financially...

cuervo72 · 10-31-2003, 08:12 AM

Oh.....oh my. This is....well, this is fantastic if it means what I think it means!

Ben E Lou · 10-31-2003, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by cuervo72
Oh.....oh my. This is....well, this is fantastic if it means what I think it means!

Care to elucidate?

cuervo72 · 10-31-2003, 08:17 AM

Basically what you had already said....just excited about it

Dutch · 10-31-2003, 08:24 AM

Are you referring to the fact that Jim is now using techni-color on his game screens! I know, me too! This is great!!!!

Buccaneer · 10-31-2003, 08:29 AM

That one screenshot appears to have come from a feature in TCY so it's a nice thing to have in FOF.

Ksyrup · 10-31-2003, 09:23 AM

Very cool. Change all of the cities, keep the fake names, run a new draft at the beginning, and you'll have as close to a real fictional start as has ever been possible in FOF (without having to go through the OPU mess, which never quite worked for me).

mtaystl03 · 10-31-2003, 01:43 PM

Thanks Jim! Looking forward to future shots!

Franklinnoble · 10-31-2003, 01:47 PM

Nice screenshot... I'm going to print it off and take it to the bathroom with me right now...

Leonidas · 10-31-2003, 01:52 PM

I know I've had some dispute with folks about getting this game and have been down on it, but this if this little teaser promises more of what I think, I may very well flip flop and be all over this. The chance to change cities offers much greater flexibility than in the past and is the kind of thing I'm looking for. I consider myself a potential convert.

mckerney · 10-31-2003, 01:57 PM

Any ability to edit starting stadiums?

sabotai · 10-31-2003, 02:06 PM

Wow, a background pic for the form. Nice.

mtaystl03 · 10-31-2003, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Nice screenshot... I'm going to print it off and take it to the bathroom with me right now...

Man Franklinnoble, is whackin' off all you think about?!?

sabotai · 10-31-2003, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by mtaystl03
Man Franklinnoble, is whackin' off all you think about?!?

You make it sound like a bad thing...

Franklinnoble · 10-31-2003, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by mtaystl03
Man Franklinnoble, is whackin' off all you think about?!?

That's all anyone on this board thinks about.

Well, that and trout.

Ben E Lou · 11-01-2003, 06:58 AM

For those still checking this thread, the screen shots are now posted. Click HERE for more info.

10-30-2003, 11:19 AM	#9
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Good points all...I forgot about the fake player names. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

10-30-2003, 12:26 PM	#10
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I can't wait to see this game, but I agree with others, I'd much rather see the bugs and tweaks worked out before a demo is released. That being said, I hope it is ready for release soon __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

10-30-2003, 12:33 PM	#11
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Especially when the demo, if it's like the previous FOF demos, won't get into the couple of major areas that have been changed. Just play the FOF4 demo if you're jonesin' for an FOF demo. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-30-2003, 12:49 PM	#12
mtaystl03 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO	Good points. I just think if Jim says he will have these things by a certain time I would tend to believe he wouldn't let us down. And if we arent going to get some screenshots and a demo because he need to really work on improving the code and all of that, I hope he lets us all know! __________________ Go STL Sports!

10-30-2003, 12:53 PM	#14
mtaystl03 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO	Oh ok. I must not of picked up on that. Thanks! __________________ Go STL Sports!

10-30-2003, 11:02 AM	#2
Hands to the Face n00b Join Date: Jan 2003	No need to get your knickers in a twist. . .

10-30-2003, 11:11 AM	#5
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	He has to get a universe up with fake players in order to post the screen shots. And it probably takes longer to get just the right one than we realize (i.e.--You wait for a screenshot where there are 3 stud QBs from whom to choose at the top of the draft--not one where there are 2 kick-ass guards and a punter).

10-30-2003, 12:51 PM	#13
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I believe Jim has said a couple times that screenshots and the demo aren't high on his priority list. He'll try to get them out by the end of the month, but I would say he's been pretty up front that it might not happen.

10-30-2003, 01:22 PM	#15
pjstp20 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL	Seems like the latest trend in sports sims is not meeting deadlines. Why not just not announce one? Just be vague about when things are coming out instead of giving specific dates. I think its a marketting tactic to bring hype to a release.

10-31-2003, 07:23 AM	#18
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	I'm not trying to let people down. I'm just trying to concentrate on what needs to take priority right now. Screen shots and a demo won't be long now. I'll go back to the "few days" comment. "Few" being a much smaller number than last time. Here's one... in time for the deadline. I hope people intending to run a league like it.

10-31-2003, 07:32 AM	#20
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	Thanks Jim, still ready and waiting. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

10-31-2003, 08:12 AM	#22
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Oh.....oh my. This is....well, this is fantastic if it means what I think it means! __________________ null

10-31-2003, 08:17 AM	#24
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Basically what you had already said....just excited about it __________________ null

10-31-2003, 08:24 AM	#25
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Are you referring to the fact that Jim is now using techni-color on his game screens! I know, me too! This is great!!!!

10-31-2003, 08:29 AM	#26
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	That one screenshot appears to have come from a feature in TCY so it's a nice thing to have in FOF.

10-31-2003, 09:23 AM	#27
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Very cool. Change all of the cities, keep the fake names, run a new draft at the beginning, and you'll have as close to a real fictional start as has ever been possible in FOF (without having to go through the OPU mess, which never quite worked for me). __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-31-2003, 01:43 PM	#28
mtaystl03 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO	Thanks Jim! Looking forward to future shots! __________________ Go STL Sports!

10-31-2003, 01:47 PM	#29
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Nice screenshot... I'm going to print it off and take it to the bathroom with me right now...

10-31-2003, 01:52 PM	#30
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	I know I've had some dispute with folks about getting this game and have been down on it, but this if this little teaser promises more of what I think, I may very well flip flop and be all over this. The chance to change cities offers much greater flexibility than in the past and is the kind of thing I'm looking for. I consider myself a potential convert. __________________ Molon labe

10-31-2003, 01:57 PM	#31
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Any ability to edit starting stadiums?

10-31-2003, 02:06 PM	#32
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Wow, a background pic for the form. Nice.

11-01-2003, 06:58 AM	#36
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	For those still checking this thread, the screen shots are now posted. Click HERE for more info. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'! Last edited by Ben E Lou : 11-01-2003 at 06:59 AM.

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