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10-07-2011, 03:13 PM | #1 | |||
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CERN Faster-than-light travel
Pretty interesting, hope its true.
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10-07-2011, 03:25 PM | #2 | |
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That's a bold statement. I mean everyone knows that Joe Buck is one of the worst announcers in the universe regardless of these tests.
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10-07-2011, 03:39 PM | #3 | |
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Well, who knows...in an alternate dimension he could be the best announcers...and we could be neglecting said dimension.......No, who am I kidding, he would suck in any dimension..
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10-07-2011, 03:40 PM | #4 | |
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E=mc2 for the win!!!
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10-07-2011, 04:12 PM | #5 |
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Sportsdigs had my reply to this thread 60 nanoseconds before I even hit send.
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10-07-2011, 04:12 PM | #6 |
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I need to check out my SciFri podcasts because I'm sure they've touched on this in the last couple of weeks after this was discovered
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10-07-2011, 04:35 PM | #7 |
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I thought it's been known(/theorized) for awhile that there were particles that travel faster than the speed of light - but the thinking was that nothing could cross that barrier.
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10-07-2011, 04:37 PM | #8 |
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Will this make my commute faster?
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10-07-2011, 04:48 PM | #9 |
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Only if you can achieve infinite(sorry can't resist) mass...transit.
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10-07-2011, 06:58 PM | #10 |
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This shouldn't surprise anyone, the Lions are 4-0.
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10-07-2011, 10:05 PM | #11 |
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Alternatively the measurement of the distance covered is off by literally a few yards in those 454 miles ... call me cynical but guess which I think is more likely
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10-08-2011, 12:38 AM | #12 |
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From what I've read, the CERN scientists responsible for this finding are as skeptical as anyone. They've supposedly examined the measurement error issue ad nauseum and not been able to come up with an explanation, which is why they released these results to the broader community. They wanted to get input from other physicists as to how they might account for this finding.
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10-08-2011, 06:33 AM | #13 |
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Nobel prize for sure if validated.
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10-08-2011, 07:39 AM | #14 |
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from what i read when this first came out a few weeks ago, it might not be the first time this has been seen...another lab got similar results a few years ago, but their standard deviation for the speed was a lot greater than CERNs, so the results were dismissed because it fell within the +/-.
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10-08-2011, 09:13 PM | #15 |
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Not surprising, I mean how else are you going to make the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.
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Fermilab in the mix to duplicate the results.
Fermilab Scientists Testing Faster-Than-Light Neutrino Claims | Science and Technology | English Quote:
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10-09-2011, 07:50 AM | #17 |
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The Bad Astronomer did a pretty good follow-up to this.
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How did I miss this? Good question. I think the thing that sticks out to me when people talk about the speed of light, the number is for the speed of light in a vacuum. I'm not sure if this experiment was done in a vacuum or not. Either way though, I don't think E=mc2 is wrong, it just may not end up being applicable to everything or it may need a modification, or is absorbed into a different equation, or it might have a very very slim chance that it may be abandoned. There could be some very cool discoveries in the years to come because of this and I find that very exciting.
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This thread delivers.
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11-20-2011, 03:03 PM | #24 | |
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Still hoping its true ...
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This definitely needs to be done by a third, forth and fifth party that is not involved with the original group. This would be awesome if it doesn't go the way of the cold fusion experiments.
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Faster-than-light neutrino result reportedly a mistake caused by loose cable |
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Looks like I need to cancel my DeLorean order...
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02-22-2012, 06:11 PM | #28 |
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I'll take Most Boring Explanation Possible for $200, Alex.
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02-22-2012, 07:21 PM | #29 |
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I love how "news" sites are reporting this and STILL aren't reporting it in its entirety.
Nature News Blog: Faster-than-light neutrino measurement has two possible errors /tk
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Not knowing much about neutrinos and how they behave in particular mediums, I would think a loose cable would slow it down rather than show a increase in speed?
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While I have an affinity for these topics, it's still at a completely lay level.
But that said... if your experiment seemingly says that everything we think we know is wrong, don't you do at least one trip around the car to kick the tires before you contact the Nobel committee directly? A loose cable??? Really??? |
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I didn't think they announced these findings as success. My impression was that they announced them essentially as a plea to the scientific community to help them figure out where they were messing up, because the results couldn't be right.
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I know, I just think my version sounds funnier.
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I have to assume they did look very hard for any kind of physical faults. But given the complexity of this stuff, I'm sure it's very, very easy to miss. Personally, I think they handled it exactly right. Once they were fairly sure they couldn't find anything wrong, they effectively came out and said: "Hey. This is weird. Give us a hand and help us figure out what we're missing here." And...lo and behold, someone found out what they were missing. |
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I guess in my defense... from the original article a phrase like "Or so they have concluded after checking for every possible artifact and experimental error." sure sounds like they would have already done things like check the equipment used in the measurement. Just sayin'. Maybe it's the media's fault in part, but I suspect these CERN guys just got lazy. It happens.
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I guess they weren't really...wait for it...wait for it...CERNtain?
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I feel like there is an episode of "Big Bang Theory" in here somewhere.
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There's no need for conCERN
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I'm surprised that they weren't able to disCERN what the problem was, sooner.
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Actually, the Nature blog article has a funny (well, funny to me) comment on the story. Reminded me of something Sheldon Cooper would say...
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If you subscribe to the Infinite Universes theory, then there is a universe out there where every announcer is Joe Buck.
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Whoa!
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The article read indicated they sat on this one for months before announcing. It sounded like they did the test several times and kept getting the same or similar results. Of course if no one noticed the loose cable...
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