some more 9/11 stuff.

[maximus]

This video is about 22 mins long (wmv format). I think it made some very good points about what "may reall have happend" on 9/11. I'm not a conspiracy theory type guy but I do have my doubts about what really occured on 9/11.

http://70.84.33.210/~infomedi/video/...alpreview2.wmv

[amdaily]

For those that don't/can't download, there is alot of shrilling, screeching, fourth and fifth hand information, and interviews of steet people with very little fact to back up wild accusations. Put out by infowars, so go figure.

[maximus]

Originally Posted by amdaily

For those that don't/can't download, there is alot of shrilling, screeching, fourth and fifth hand information, and interviews of steet people with very little fact to back up wild accusations. Put out by infowars, so go figure.

I wouldn't call the firemen who were at the sceen "fourth and fifth hand information".

[Draft Dodger]

honestly, sometimes I hate people who perpetuate the 9/11 conspiracy crap as much as I hate the terrorists.

[Wasabiak]

There's so much crooked shit that happens in this country, nothing, absolutely nothing, would surprise me. I don't trust our government or any business people in this country any farther than I could throw them. But, whatever. There's always Canada.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

honestly, sometimes I hate people who perpetuate the 9/11 conspiracy crap as much as I hate the terrorists.

Word.

[JW]

We never landed on the moon either.

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by JW

We never landed on the moon either.

Then how did google get all those great shots?

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

honestly, sometimes I hate people who perpetuate the 9/11 conspiracy crap as much as I hate the terrorists.

I don't hate them necessarily, just really really really really don't like them a whole heck of a lot.

[JW]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Then how did google get all those great shots?

Photoshop. Ask Elvis.

[Peregrine]

I haven't looked at the video yet, but are these the people that claim that the plane hitting the Pentagon never really happened and was staged by the government?

[Greyroofoo]

I just watched it and it does raise some very good points

[Neon_Chaos]

Watched it. Very disturbing. I hate that the video isn't complete. But the points raised are pretty valid.

[TroyF]

So let me get this straight. . .

They set up these demolitions the night before. Demolitions that take days to prepare. God only knows the amount of people who would have had to be involved in this. We have advanced demolitions set up in the two largest office buildings in the world and building 7.

They then hire terrorists to hijack planes and commit suicide bombings. And for what? Did a jewish businessman somehow convince a bunch of Muslim terrorists that this would be a good idea? That's some impressive stuff there.

But back to the demolitions here. This was professional stuff.

And in the end, here is where this conspiracy theory falls apart. This would have taken the work of hundreds of highly skilled professionals. They also would have had to have been helped by hundreds more worker bees to set up the bombs in all three buildings. You also have to have the complete cooperation with the people covering this up.

Bombs leave traces. A professional demolition has thousands of wires and detonators. (especially for buildings that large) That stuff didn't just dissapear in the collapse. It would have been found. So we now have to assume that all of the people working on the cleanup (at the very least the trained experts who were helping) had to be involved.

So out of these thousands of people who were involved in the setup, actual bombing and coverup. . . they've all been able to keep their mouths shut. None of them have ever got drunk and made a slip up. You are telling me this was the "perfect" plot. Kind of like something out of a dark comic book with a legion of evil killing innocents for money.

Sorry, I just don't buy it.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by TroyF

So let me get this straight. . .

They set up these demolitions the night before. Demolitions that take days to prepare. God only knows the amount of people who would have had to be involved in this. We have advanced demolitions set up in the two largest office buildings in the world and building 7.

They then hire terrorists to hijack planes and commit suicide bombings. And for what? Did a jewish businessman somehow convince a bunch of Muslim terrorists that this would be a good idea? That's some impressive stuff there.

But back to the demolitions here. This was professional stuff.

And in the end, here is where this conspiracy theory falls apart. This would have taken the work of hundreds of highly skilled professionals. They also would have had to have been helped by hundreds more worker bees to set up the bombs in all three buildings. You also have to have the complete cooperation with the people covering this up.

Bombs leave traces. A professional demolition has thousands of wires and detonators. (especially for buildings that large) That stuff didn't just dissapear in the collapse. It would have been found. So we now have to assume that all of the people working on the cleanup (at the very least the trained experts who were helping) had to be involved.

So out of these thousands of people who were involved in the setup, actual bombing and coverup. . . they've all been able to keep their mouths shut. None of them have ever got drunk and made a slip up. You are telling me this was the "perfect" plot. Kind of like something out of a dark comic book with a legion of evil killing innocents for money.

Sorry, I just don't buy it.

C'mon, other Government agencies work flawlessly.

[JW]

Another view of 9/11, debunking the conspiracy theorists.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html

In fairness, I have to say the conspiracy theorists have relentlessly attacked this article since it appeared. I guess this means Popular Mechanics is part of the conspiracy, too.

Let me add that when told of the attacks, before learning any details, standing in the hall between classes at my school, my first response was, "It was bound to happen." My goodness, was it such a surprise? A major terrorist assault on the US had been predicted in many circles. It had even been written about in fiction, with Tom Clancy coming pretty close to the actual scenario, among others. We should have seen something like this coming. If you want to talk conspiracy, you should ask why the Clinton and Bush administrations did not take the threat seriously until 9/11.

[Neon_Chaos]

it's like one big game of werewolf!

[mhass]

I remember thinking that day "I wonder what the consiracy geeks will say." I can say that my field (engineering) has studied the structural failure of those two towers so much it pains me to think of the expended manpower. They all agree that it was searing heat from burning jet fuel that weakened the structure. That's about 15 more engineering outfits to add to the "in the plot" gang I guess.

[CamEdwards]

Originally Posted by TroyF

So let me get this straight. . .

They set up these demolitions the night before. Demolitions that take days to prepare. God only knows the amount of people who would have had to be involved in this. We have advanced demolitions set up in the two largest office buildings in the world and building 7.

They then hire terrorists to hijack planes and commit suicide bombings. And for what? Did a jewish businessman somehow convince a bunch of Muslim terrorists that this would be a good idea? That's some impressive stuff there.

But back to the demolitions here. This was professional stuff.

And in the end, here is where this conspiracy theory falls apart. This would have taken the work of hundreds of highly skilled professionals. They also would have had to have been helped by hundreds more worker bees to set up the bombs in all three buildings. You also have to have the complete cooperation with the people covering this up.

Bombs leave traces. A professional demolition has thousands of wires and detonators. (especially for buildings that large) That stuff didn't just dissapear in the collapse. It would have been found. So we now have to assume that all of the people working on the cleanup (at the very least the trained experts who were helping) had to be involved.

So out of these thousands of people who were involved in the setup, actual bombing and coverup. . . they've all been able to keep their mouths shut. None of them have ever got drunk and made a slip up. You are telling me this was the "perfect" plot. Kind of like something out of a dark comic book with a legion of evil killing innocents for money.

Sorry, I just don't buy it.

Fuck that. You're telling me that 9/11 was about insurance fraud??

And, as you point out, all of the hundreds of people you're saying had to be involved in this, from those who planted the demolitions the night before to those who "pulled Building 7" (NYFD) have kept quiet for four years.??

Jesus. Some people will believe anything.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

honestly, sometimes I hate people who perpetuate the 9/11 conspiracy crap as much as I hate the terrorists.

Hey, it happened on The Lone Gunmen, what's to stop it from happening in real life?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Fuck that. You're telling me that 9/11 was about insurance fraud??

And, as you point out, all of the hundreds of people you're saying had to be involved in this, from those who planted the demolitions the night before to those who "pulled Building 7" (NYFD) have kept quiet for four years.??

Jesus. Some people will believe anything.

For $7 billion and a chance to get the nation hyped up for war? Why not.

Yes, I'm being an ass.

[cody8200]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Fuck that. You're telling me that 9/11 was about insurance fraud??

And, as you point out, all of the hundreds of people you're saying had to be involved in this, from those who planted the demolitions the night before to those who "pulled Building 7" (NYFD) have kept quiet for four years.??

Jesus. Some people will believe anything.

Your exactly right. The video insinuates and even says in fact that Silverstein perpetuated the whole thing just so he could make insurance money. WTF! People are so fricking dumb.

[CamEdwards]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

For $7 billion and a chance to get the nation hyped up for war? Why not.

Yes, I'm being an ass.

Ah, but for Alex Jones it wasn't about hyping war... it was about turning America into a "police state".

Now if you'll excuse me, the Gestapo are at my door. See you fellas in 5-10 years.

[Airhog]

Dammit, I have been usurped. Time to send another video to Fox

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Originally Posted by JW

We never landed on the moon either.

and CHEM never deployed to OEF.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by JW

Another view of 9/11, debunking the conspiracy theorists.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html

In fairness, I have to say the conspiracy theorists have relentlessly attacked this article since it appeared. I guess this means Popular Mechanics is part of the conspiracy, too.

Let me add that when told of the attacks, before learning any details, standing in the hall between classes at my school, my first response was, "It was bound to happen." My goodness, was it such a surprise? A major terrorist assault on the US had been predicted in many circles. It had even been written about in fiction, with Tom Clancy coming pretty close to the actual scenario, among others. We should have seen something like this coming. If you want to talk conspiracy, you should ask why the Clinton and Bush administrations did not take the threat seriously until 9/11.

I happened to be flying when that Pop Mech. issue was out, so I bought it in the airport. Good stuff.

[jeff061]

When I was a teenager I believed in conspiracy theories.

Now I'm of the opinion that believing goverments are capable of these thing is giving them FAR to much credit.

[Ryan S]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

I haven't looked at the video yet, but are these the people that claim that the plane hitting the Pentagon never really happened and was staged by the government?

I saw a documentary a year or two ago which set about disputing the French author's book, and they debunked it within the first minute by showing video footage (taken from CCTV) of the plane hitting the Pentagon. I am surprised that the video footage has not been more widely distributed, as that is the one and only time I ever saw it.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Ryan S

I saw a documentary a year or two ago which set about disputing the French author's book, and they debunked it within the first minute by showing video footage (taken from CCTV) of the plane hitting the Pentagon. I am surprised that the video footage has not been more widely distributed, as that is the one and only time I ever saw it.

Well, this one never even mentioned the Pentagon. It basicly stated in no uncertain terms that this entire thing was insurance fraud and centered on the WTC site.

I can actually buy some conspiracy theories. Are they possible when it involves a handful of very dedicated people? Sure.

But this is just plain nuts. They mentioned repeatedly about the buildings being blown as if a demolitions crew did it. They never bothered to get a demo guy there and ask him how long it would take to set up blowing 3 skyscrapers (2 of which were amongst the largest buildings in the world) in a short period of time without anyone noticing.

They also never bothered going into detail on exactly how this Jewish businessman put together a group of suicide bombers to take takeover planes and slam them into the building. When you start thinking of the scope of that part (the fact that suddenly it was a joint Al-Queda/Jewish businessman/government operation), you then start realizing how all that many more people were involved in this.

And of course, like any good conspiracy theory, they made sure that they threw Bush under the bus there as well. There was a Bush who was head of security and his 2 year contract expired on 9/11. Well, that seals the deal, doesn't it?

It's much better to blame Bush and some rich businessman for 9/11 instead of the F'n terrorists for some people.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by TroyF

But this is just plain nuts.

Consider the source. This isn't the first outlandish and ridiculous sky-is-falling type stuff he's posted, and it probably won't be the last. I really don't get some people. I really don't. {sigh}

[KWhit]

Maybe John Travolta flew the planes into the building.

[John Galt]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Maybe John Travolta flew the planes into the building.

And so it wasn't the Jews. It was the Scientologists!!!

[maximus]

Originally Posted by John Galt

And so it wasn't the Jews. It was the Scientologists!!!

edit:

Edited this post because of "possible" feelings getting hurt.

[maximus]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Maybe John Travolta flew the planes into the building.

I just a weird feeling that you were about to......

[maximus]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Consider the source. This isn't the first outlandish and ridiculous sky-is-falling type stuff he's posted, and it probably won't be the last. I really don't get some people. I really don't. {sigh}

I hope you weren't talking about me SD. Did I misunderstand you?

[WSUCougar]

Originally Posted by TroyF

You are telling me this was the "perfect" plot. Kind of like something out of a dark comic book with a legion of evil killing innocents for money.

No, that would be the one where Gary Anderson misses the easy field goal after being perfect all season, and the 15-1 Vikings fall to the lowly Atlanta Falcons in the playoffs.

[CamEdwards]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Alex Jones, not you. Could be wrong, however.

BTW, in Jon Ronson's book "Them" there's a whole chapter about Alex Jones and Bohemian Grove. Funny stuff. He's a nutball.

[Mustang]

I wonder if Hans Gruber survived the fall from the Nakatomi Plaza? If anyone could blow up a building, it would be him...

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

No, that would be the one where Gary Anderson misses the easy field goal after being perfect all season, and the 15-1 Vikings fall to the lowly Atlanta Falcons in the playoffs.

Which also ruins one of the most potentially exciting Super Bowls in history. It goes from the Vikings/Broncos point a minute matchup to Denver destroying an Atlanta team that is "just happy to be there."

[maximus]

Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Alex Jones, not you. Could be wrong, however.

BTW, in Jon Ronson's book "Them" there's a whole chapter about Alex Jones and Bohemian Grove. Funny stuff. He's a nutball.

ahh, OK...I was going to say that people on this board always post crazy things.

[cartman]

Bohemian Grove is a whole other topic into and of itself. Definitely some strange stuff goes on there, but I'm not sure any of it rises to the Illuminati level some people give it.