06-21-2009, 03:29 PM | #1 | ||
Pro Starter
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Phoenix, AZ
|
USA vs Egypt - Spoilers inside.
Great result for us and amazing win by Brazil. Now, we get Spain. I think that one may be a bit harder though.
__________________
There are no houris, alas, in our heaven. Last edited by Axxon : 06-21-2009 at 04:12 PM. |
||
06-21-2009, 03:33 PM | #2 |
Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
|
I personally don't care, but you may want to change the thread title, could be a spoiler to some people.
|
06-21-2009, 03:34 PM | #3 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2003
|
nah, its a live sporting event on a sunday - fair game. I was watching Brazil-Italy, but good for them. Spain will destroy them though.
|
06-21-2009, 03:36 PM | #4 |
Favored Bitch #1
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
|
I disagree, people DVR live sporting events all the time and I don't think it's to much to ask for it not to be spoiled by visiting the front page, but meh.
|
06-21-2009, 03:37 PM | #5 |
College Starter
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: The Dirty
|
Amazing, we lose 3-1 and 3-0 to Italy and Brazil, but get to move on after roughing up Egypt 3-0. Talk about lucking out!
__________________
Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5) |
06-21-2009, 03:38 PM | #6 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Phoenix, AZ
|
I'd be glad to edit it Lathum but I'm not sure how.
edit to add - Wow, I must be really dense this afternoon but I'm not seeing how to change it. I could just start another thread "Congrats Egypt - Bring on Italy!!!!" to throw people off? Of course, we'd all have to post in the other thread to keep it believable.
__________________
There are no houris, alas, in our heaven. Last edited by Axxon : 06-21-2009 at 03:44 PM. |
06-21-2009, 03:41 PM | #7 |
College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Hampshire
|
Wow, unreal luck but I'll take it.
|
06-21-2009, 03:50 PM | #8 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2005
|
Meh, if we're talking about luck what about those two awful red cards in the Italy and Brazil games, the handball not called against Egypt, the two posts hit against Brazil that would have totally changed the goal differential scenarios, etc.
Fully deserved. |
06-21-2009, 04:01 PM | #9 | |
Death Herald
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas
|
Quote:
You can change the title by editing your first post, and then clicking on the "Go Advanced" button.
__________________
Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint Last edited by cartman : 06-21-2009 at 04:01 PM. |
|
06-21-2009, 04:13 PM | #10 | |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Phoenix, AZ
|
Quote:
Changed. Thanks. I wasn't thinking when I posted the first time.
__________________
There are no houris, alas, in our heaven. |
|
06-21-2009, 05:00 PM | #11 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
|
What a pair of amazing games! Almost miraculous. Everyone thought the US was done, re: going to the semis.
But Spain is going to be veeeeery tough!
__________________
"A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams |
06-21-2009, 05:15 PM | #12 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: San Jose, CA
|
USA soccer blows. It's funny how FIFA tried to get some money by ranking us #3 in the world at one point.
EDIT: Hoping USA proves me wrong against Spain
__________________
Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com Last edited by Karlifornia : 06-21-2009 at 05:16 PM. |
06-21-2009, 05:25 PM | #13 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
|
Based on the formulas we DESERVED to be ranked that high at that point. It tends to happen when you advance to the Quarterfinals of the World Cup and then kick ass in qualifying matches for the next WC (IIRC, the US only lost once in Qualifying for WC06 and that was to Mexico in Azteca).
__________________
"A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams |
06-21-2009, 07:30 PM | #14 | |
College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Hartford
|
Quote:
Your position is that the US deserves to be in the semifinals? Deserves? They played 135 minutes of the most embarrassing soccer I've ever seen. The Brazil game had a better chance of being 6-0 then it did 3-2. The red card against Italy was bad, the one against Brazil not nearly as bad and the game was well over before it happened anyway. |
|
06-21-2009, 07:36 PM | #15 |
College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2004
|
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the US moves on. But I hate the way three-way tie breakers are decided. In my opinion, once you get it down to 2 teams, it should go back to head to head. In this case, goal differential was the same, but the US scored more goals so they move on. Given that Italy beat the US, to me it seems they should go on.
My opinion was the same given the Texas-Texas Tech-Oklahoma tie last year (I think) in the Big 12. |
06-21-2009, 07:39 PM | #16 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ashburn, VA
|
I missed the game.
Stunned the US is moving on, they really have no business doing so. But, I also did think we got a tougher draw than some. Yay for tiebreak rules.. /tk
__________________
GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin |
06-21-2009, 07:39 PM | #17 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
|
Quote:
+1 I said to my brother after watching the Italy game. "If this is the core of the team that goes to WC 2010 without significant changes, this team will lose all 3 games and will be outscored best case scenario 9-2 (with 1 goal on a PK and one from the run of play)." I don't really think there are enough changes that can be made to make this team good enough to avoid going "3 and out" at the WC. Best case scenario they keep the goal differential in the 3 games to like a max of -4.
__________________
Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 06-21-2009 at 07:41 PM. |
|
06-21-2009, 07:45 PM | #18 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TX
|
as a US soccer fan im only dissapointed in the fact the thay worthless coach Bradley will probably keep his job, unless maybe Spain totaly humiliate us
|
06-21-2009, 07:49 PM | #19 | |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Feb 2006
|
Quote:
I thought the team played really well six to eight months ago. Now some of these guys have no heart/passion at all. Agreed with some others that if this is our team, it's going to be ugly next year. (if we qualify) |
|
06-21-2009, 07:51 PM | #20 | |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2005
|
Quote:
The US deserved to advance more than Italy or Egypt, yes. That is different from playing well. Italy was shocking against Brazil, not much better against Egypt, and had some breaks against the US. Egypt actually played alright over the course of the tournament but with qualification on the line laid a total sticker today. Last edited by Big Fo : 06-21-2009 at 07:55 PM. |
|
06-21-2009, 07:54 PM | #21 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
|
Quote:
i don't think the USSF is likely to change coaches in the run-up to a cup. unfortunately. hopefully right after though.
__________________
Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature. |
|
06-21-2009, 08:00 PM | #22 | |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2005
|
Quote:
Yeah, even if the US lost every match 4-0 Bradley would still have been the coach next summer. I bet the US failing to qualify for the WC would be the only way they'd fire him. I'm not a big fan of him either but that's my impression. |
|
06-21-2009, 08:21 PM | #23 |
lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Herndon, VA
|
|
06-21-2009, 11:40 PM | #24 |
College Benchwarmer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo
|
What better for chance?
S.Africa beating Brazil or USA beating Spain or My ass taste like strawberries???
__________________
Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT |
06-22-2009, 12:10 AM | #25 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Jul 2001
|
I think option 3 is the most likely but good luck proving it.
|
06-22-2009, 08:19 AM | #26 | |
College Prospect
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Boston, MA
|
Quote:
Seriously, whoopity fucking do. We beat the likes of Canada and Guatemala in the Gold Cup for a couple of years and Mexico on a neutral field. We advanced in the 02 World Cup with 4 points thanks to some incredible luck, and did so again (with only 3) in the FIFA needs a paycheck cup yesterday. We have maybe five quality players on the whole team and that's with counting some players as half. We're about as good as Scotland or Norway, only we've been luckier than they have. We haven't deserved a GD thing outside of beating the other teams from this continent. |
|
06-22-2009, 10:22 AM | #27 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Hog Country
|
I think the entire point was that USA was ranked that high because the formula is flawed (it is a really difficult thing to get right when opponents are segregated as much as they are in this game) not because FIFA was looking to make money.
|
06-22-2009, 11:08 AM | #28 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2005
|
|
06-22-2009, 11:32 AM | #29 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Cary, NC
|
Something's up there as well with the US jumping from 25th to 14th just by beating Egypt...
__________________
-- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities |
06-22-2009, 11:49 AM | #30 | |
Roster Filler
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Cicero
|
Quote:
I think its pretty difficult to do an accurate soccer ratings formula. How many games do countries play at comptetitions that they go all out to win?
__________________
http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price! |
|
06-22-2009, 11:51 AM | #31 |
Bounty Hunter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
|
insert boston celtics joke here
__________________
No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor. |
06-22-2009, 12:22 PM | #32 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Edinburg,TX
|
As I just posted in the soccer forum, I was happy watching the game but in the end it kind of sucks because Spain will probably crush the US and Bob Bradley will keep his job. Not only will Bradley keep his job, but since he won one game, he will probably keep going on as is. Screw Adu, screw Torres, screw trying to give other backs a chance even though our defense has been horrible for the most part.
Great win by the US. If Kljestan and Beasley never see the field again then something good came out of this. I doubt I am that lucky though.
__________________
You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose! |
06-22-2009, 12:32 PM | #33 |
College Prospect
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Boston, MA
|
Who, exactly, is Bradley supposed to play? It's not like the guys on the bench are appreciably better. You're pining for Adu and Torres? Those two are going to make the difference? All the anti-Bradley stuff is just thinly veiled frustration at the players. It's not like you're going to get an appreciably better coach either.
|
06-22-2009, 12:32 PM | #34 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
|
Quote:
exactly. and that's why i'm unhappy. i would have rather they lost and then he realized that he needed to change things up, etc. or best case scenario he got canned (although i don't think that was ever gonna happen before the WC i suppose). Now we're stuck with "same old same old."
__________________
Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature. |
|
06-22-2009, 12:51 PM | #35 | |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2005
|
Quote:
There isn't a big difference between the 14th best team and the 25th best anyway. 200 points separate Spain (#1) and Italy (#6), 200 points also separate Russia (#7) and Poland (#44). On the field there isn't a big difference between the good teams except for the very best I think these rankings reflect that reality pretty well. The US came in ranked 15th in the rankings, dropped to 19th after the Italy game, to 25th after the Brazil match and are back to where they started. The losses were to top teams so they didn't hurt near as much as losing to someone on a similar level or below. Egypt are the champions of Africa and were ranked similarly to the US coming into the third game. Confederation Cup matches are also more heavily weighted than friendlies or even World Cup qualifiers. The ELO Ratings would never have put the US fifth as they were in the FIFA rankings going into the 2006 World Cup (US was 14th then according to the ELO ratings). |
|
06-22-2009, 12:52 PM | #36 |
Pro Rookie
Join Date: Jan 2005
|
I like Adu as much as anyone but he need a move to a club that will play him this summer.
|
06-22-2009, 01:39 PM | #37 | |
College Prospect
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Boston, MA
|
Quote:
I do not understand. If we had other players who were any good, they'd already be playing. |
|
06-22-2009, 03:02 PM | #38 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
|
Quote:
But sure, let's accept mediocrity, 9 behind the ball with a lone striker up top and trying to grind out results off long balls, sloooooowww counter-attacks and set pieces. It's only the way we played 20 years ago when we were running out college players. |
|
06-22-2009, 03:09 PM | #39 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
|
Because there's no way over the hill players who don't even dress for their club like Beasley would still get run out game after game when they don't have it? Even if you want to say Bradley finally got it right and didn't play him against Egypt, it took 3 games too long. How long did Jozy Altidore take to finally get significant playing time (and he still comes off for Benny Feilhaber when we need a 3rd goal?)
|
06-22-2009, 04:19 PM | #40 | |
College Prospect
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Boston, MA
|
Quote:
Beasley I'll grant you, but the rest just proves my point. This is standard US Fan BS. Adu, Torres and Davies are the textbook definition of mediocre. And I LIKE Torres and think he could develop into a legitimately good player. Dempsey is one of our half decent players, you really want him to sit so someone like Adu can play? Really? Altidore hasn't been particularly good either, though he played well against Egypt but was obviously gassed after 70 minutes. Every year, we have some player who is under 24 and in form who played well for the national team and every year, there is clamoring for him to get significant playing time over mediocre option X. That's valid. What's stupidly annoying is assuming that: a) New young player is particularly better b) New young player will get appreciably better by playing more (This is true, but WAY overemphasized) c) New young player's form will continue For any given game, we have around 5 good players (Using fractions). Whoever fills out the rest of the team does not alter this fact. Change coaches or players it does not matter. All the quibbling in the world will not change this and I wish our superfans would stop because it's fucking annoying. It's like a .500 baseball team complaining about their fifth starter. There are much bigger problems and it doesn't really matter. And one more thing, how do you complaing about the decision to move Dempsey up top when he scored the third goal? The man hadn't made a tackle all tournament. |
|
06-22-2009, 04:31 PM | #41 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Feb 2006
|
I'd like to see what Adu can do at this point. He's 20 so if I see anything good from him (and I have when I've watched him) I'd start to go with him a bit more.
They need to be willing to move some of these players around a bit out of their comfort zones to make sure they have the best 11 on the field. I feel like they're locked into this guy plays this position, this guy plays this position, etc. I'd like to simply see our best 11 players on the field in some shape/form. |
06-22-2009, 06:03 PM | #42 | ||
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
|
Quote:
On point B, we had 3 players tear it up at the U-20's. Baby Bradley has received every minute of playing time since for the MNT, and has clearly progressed as a player. Altidore has finally broken in within the past couple months as our best striker, and has clearly gotten better despite being misused as a target striker against good competition when he's clearly infinitely better with a 2nd striker, whether that's Davies, Ching, Adu, Dempsey or Donovan (clearly not Conor Casey). Adu meanwhile did more in his first 2 months with Benfica than Altidore did last season in Spain, was our best field player against both Spain and Argentina despite limited time and can't seem to get on the field since. Whenever he does, our attack immediately looks more dangerous, we don't give up goals, yet somehow his detractors always find a new reason to discredit him. And the sitting Dempsey thing has nothing to do with in-form Dempsey (as a Revolution/MNT fan, god knows what that even means), but as you yourself point out, the one who hadn't done anything in 250+ minutes. Quote:
|
||
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | |
|
|