Weekly QotM moderation

[John Galt]

I don't know if I will do this weekly, but there were a lot of quotes submitted and it was requested that I make the process transparent so that people know what is being removed. This week, two quotes were removed. One was removed because 2 versions of it were submitted (I picked the one that was written better and didn't have odd characters in it). The quote that made it was (if you really wanted the other version, let me know via PM, but remove some "odd" characters that were in the text):

The Miami Dolphins of the NFL went undefeated in 1972. They celebrate each year when every team loses a game. I, GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL, am the only team to have a winless season. I celebrate each time every team wins a game.

The other quote removed referred to a member here as a "poor bastard" in a non-funny way. Given that, I don't plan on reposting it here, but you are free to look it up.

Personally, I think some of the quotes this week were pretty lame humor-wise, so if someone wants to take the poll idea and run with it, that may be a way to weed out some of the boring quotes.

[Draft Dodger]

there are not enough quotes about short people.

[korme]

there are not enough quotes about men who had to shave their beards b/c their team lost in the first round.

[Schmidty]

Originally posted by John Galt
Personally, I think some of the quotes this week were pretty lame humor-wise, so if someone wants to take the poll idea and run with it, that may be a way to weed out some of the boring quotes.

I have no idea who appointed you as the QotM moderator, but the above statement worries me. Humor is a subjective thing, and I hope that one person's (or small group of people's) tastes won't dictate what appears in the QotM section.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally posted by Schmidty
I have no idea who appointed you as the QotM moderator, but the above statement worries me. Humor is a subjective thing, and I hope that one person's (or small group of people's) tastes won't dictate what appears in the QotM section.

not quote of the moment material. sorry.

[Axxon]

Originally posted by Schmidty
I have no idea who appointed you as the QotM moderator, but the above statement worries me. Humor is a subjective thing, and I hope that one person's (or small group of people's) tastes won't dictate what appears in the QotM section.

Read his quote again. He didn't delete ANYTHING that he found boring but suggested if WE want to vote on getting rid of some boring stuff he'd be game for that. It's a good idea actually because who wants a huge QoTM file using resources if a large part of it sucks?

We need to set up true housekeeping duties and if the mod isn't going to do it, and I believe it's better all around if he doesn't, then a biweekly or so vote by the masses is a good idea. It could be another of those survivor thingies that seem to be popular. What could possibly be wrong with that???

Originally posted by Schmidty
I have no idea who appointed you as the QotM moderator, but the above statement worries me. Humor is a subjective thing, and I hope that one person's (or small group of people's) tastes won't dictate what appears in the QotM section.

Somebody missed class yesterday.

Originally posted by couriers
Somebody missed class yesterday.

lol That is what I was thinking too. He has no idea what he missed the last two days.

HornsManiac

[astralhaze]

Ya. He missed like, a bunch of flame wars and stuff, the return of cocky and funny (tm), and like, Fritz making off-the-wall comments.

So, basically just like any other two days at FOFC.

[John Galt]

I'm adding one more rule to moderation. If you don't want your own quote up there, I will remove it at your request. I will not list self-request removals in these updated emails because I don't think anyone will have a problem with people removing their own quotes. I removed one such quote today at the request of the author of it.

[Craptacular]

My idea for the polling was to run a poll anytime we had 10 submitted, let people vote for none, any or all of them, and then take any that got approved by >XX% of the voters (50, 75??). You can set up a poll to accept multiple choices from each voter.

Example poll

It shows the total number of people who have voted, so you can calculate which choices got picked by what percentage of the voters. The percentages shown on the screen are the percentages each choice got out of the total number of votes, not voters

Honestly, I don't know how many quotes get submitted right now, so I don't know how often we'd have a poll. My guess is that there would be a lot right away, but it would die down to a slower pace after the "excitement" wore off.

Some people liked this idea, and some did not. I'd volunteer to do it if the board / moderators wanted it. The benefit is it would allow the community to collectively determine what's funny, what's appropriate, etc. We could still remove quotes at the request of the author. We (or the mods) would still have to decide whether to include blatantly offensive quotes in the poll (and hope they're voted out), or purge them ahead of time, which opens up this whole debate again. However, at least we could decide on what's funny. That's not a knock on you, John, or any other individual who would have filled this role. I'm just responding to some of the concerns posted on the topic.

Just my $0.02 (OK, maybe $0.03).

[John Galt]

I have no intention of ever determining what is funny. I may be the least funny person on this board.

Although I like your system in principle, there is one part that is a litle harder to do. Cutting and pasting the ten quotes is a bit tedious and it requires in extra step. I'd do it, but why not a vote-off type system? You could nominate a lot of quotes that you think should go and they could be voted off. That assistance in "pruning" would be very helpful and I would remove whatever the voters wanted.

[Craptacular]

Obviously I don't know how the system works, but putting them on and then voting to take them off seems like more work than voting to put them on in the first place. Plus, if anyone really cares, I think it would be a little more insulting to have your quote put up and then voted off than to simply not have it voted onto the list in the first place.

[Fritz]

When I was a kid I lived in New York City. The lady across the hall had something like 12 locks and a bar on her front door to keep the crooks out. One day someone broke in through the window and stole her TV.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally posted by John Galt
I may be the least funny person on this board.

not even close

[Draft Dodger]

Originally posted by Fritz
When I was a kid I lived in New York City. The lady across the hall had something like 12 locks and a bar on her front door to keep the crooks out. One day someone broke in through the window and stole her TV.

and they never caught you?

[John Galt]

The first batch of quotes have been removed at request of a board member. To continue a transparent removal process, these are the 4 quotes that a board member requested be removed as offensive to 'em:

"Confucius say Crowded elevator smell different to midget."

"Dude, if you're happy now just think how much happier you'd be during hour 35 of your meth binge! Ya, there is a chance you might kill your children and throw their heads out the window of your moving car because your sleep deprived brain thinks they are the spawn of satan, but nothing in life comes without risks!"

"I embezzle money from my "employer" for a living. That and sell smack to kids on street corners."

"Don't let Subby fool you. He's really just a 13-year old junkie who dropped out of junior high school to pursue a life of crime, drugs, and dwarf porn. Oh, he's a client of mine, too."

[sachmo71]

Pointless post. Ignore...

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by John Galt
The first batch of quotes have been removed at request of a board member. To continue a transparent removal process, these are the 4 quotes that a board member requested be removed as offensive to 'em:

"Confucius say Crowded elevator smell different to midget."

"Dude, if you're happy now just think how much happier you'd be during hour 35 of your meth binge! Ya, there is a chance you might kill your children and throw their heads out the window of your moving car because your sleep deprived brain thinks they are the spawn of satan, but nothing in life comes without risks!"

"I embezzle money from my "employer" for a living. That and sell smack to kids on street corners."

"Don't let Subby fool you. He's really just a 13-year old junkie who dropped out of junior high school to pursue a life of crime, drugs, and dwarf porn. Oh, he's a client of mine, too."

I like those quotes. Can I request that you put them back?

Piss on the politically correct douchebags that can't handle making a joke at someone else's expense. This is a board for men, dammit. We like to eat raw red meat and talk about banging hot teenage cheerleaders with low IQ's and abmormally large bustlines. Take this Stuart Smalley crap elsewhere.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
I like those quotes. Can I request that you put them back?

Piss on the politically correct douchebags that can't handle making a joke at someone else's expense. This is a board for men, dammit. We like to eat raw red meat and talk about banging hot teenage cheerleaders with low IQ's and abmormally large bustlines. Take this Stuart Smalley crap elsewhere.

Key words being "someone else's expense." If that someone else happens to be you, it changes things. If someone Chinese is reading the first quote they may think differently. Likewise, a midget might be offended. If the joke was about blacks or jews, I doubt you would be so brazen.

I'm sticking to the rule that if a member says that they are honorably deeply offended by a quote, then it will be removed. This does not include instances of hypothetical or potential offensiveness. In this case, the board member repeatedly told me that 'em was very offended personally and was hurt by the continued broadcasting of the quotes. I will not question their word on the matter and so the quotes have been removed.

This is not about being PC - this is about removing quotes for the QotM that deeply offend somebody here. Driving people away with silly quotes should not be a function of this board.

If you enjoy them, you can always return to this thread or the original to view them.

This is absolute bullshit. I can't make it public that I wanted those quotes removed without backlash and now I need to get more backlash from it. Thanks John. I find it odd that you didn't bother to post all of the original quotes that you first removed but were more than willing to post mine. Thanks for nothing.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by couriers
This is absolute bullshit. I can't make it public that I wanted those quotes removed without backlash and now I need to get more backlash from it. Thanks John. I find it odd that you didn't bother to post all of the original quotes that you first removed but were more than willing to post mine. Thanks for nothing.

I just PMed you about this, but don't blame me. You made your complaints public AND you were the one that pushed for public transparency of removal for all future removals. To blame me for a backlash seems misplaced.

I admitted the mistake of not posting all the original quotes because of the clunky interface. I apologized and that is what led to your calls for complete transparency. To now attack me for that is odd to say the least.

"Don't bother. The public announcement will only go to further hurt my credibility among other members. They will not understand at first, as you did not and won't even bother to ask for my reasons. They will know that the removals were on my request since all four were outlined in the thread that I stared the other day. They will then begin to flame and attack me as they have already proven as being their only interest."

So this request that I sent you via PM didn't mean much to you then?

[Schmidty]

Drama.

I request that you put all four quotes back into the QoTM since I made it clear to you in 2 different PMs that it was no longer my interest to have them removed.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by couriers
"Don't bother. The public announcement will only go to further hurt my credibility among other members. They will not understand at first, as you did not and won't even bother to ask for my reasons. They will know that the removals were on my request since all four were outlined in the thread that I stared the other day. They will then begin to flame and attack me as they have already proven as being their only interest."

So this request that I sent you via PM didn't mean much to you then?

As I told you in the PM - that request was sent AFTER I had removed them and after we had exchanged PM's 3 times on the issue.

I can put them back now if you wish.

We were in the process of exchanging PMs on a consistent basis over the course of approx 1/2 hour. They were all timed approx 2 or 3 minutes between each other. Considering that you took since yesterday to decide one way or another I find it rather odd that you would remove them during the course of our discussion on the possibility of not removing them. In fact, one of the PMs that outlined my disinterest in having them removed was time stamped several minutes prior to your post in this thread so if you feel it is necessary to pull out the PMs and have a pissing contest then I am more than willing to do so.

This system only hurts those that attempt to either speak out against it or to utilize it as it was intended, or so it seems.

You have done nothing to benefit me in regards to my initial request and continue on a path of denial and pointing the finger back at me as if you are above making mistakes.

[John Galt]

couriers,

I've have given you more credibility and more patience than any sane man would. I have bent over backwards in my PM's to ignore what everyone else here said. You opposed moderation then you grandstanded about quotes you don't like (despite specific policy requesting PM) and asked they be removed, and finally you requested via PM that they be removed. I asked you to clarify that you were personally offended and that this wasn't some attempt at sabotage on your part. In the end, I took you at your word and removed the posts.

Then at the moment I told you that I would remove them and make a public note (the policy you created), you PMed me that you didn't want them removed. By the time I received that PM, the posts had been removed.

I gave you more credit than ANY one else on this board would have.

You have attempted to destroy this moderation system though lies and deciept. I gave you more than enough chances and took you at your word. Now, your intentions are clear.

The quotes will be restored and I will no longer take any requests from you regarding removal.

[John Galt]

dola, this system in no way hurts those that are offended unless they decide to go and grandstand about it first.

[astralhaze]

Kirby Puckett

[Maple Leafs]

Since it's clear that both of you know how to use PMs, perhaps you could put that knowledge to use in resolving this dsipute?

I didn't create any policy John so once again stop trying to put this on me. I told you twice that I was not interested any longer in having the quotes removed. Once prior to you posting the info and again after, which I didn't realize had happend yet. Upon learning that you were going to make the info public I had asked you kindly to not remove them and you pretty much said tough shit. You could have deleted your post and put the quotes back in but instead you acted as if there was nothing you could do.

I am glad that I learned your true feelings in regards to how you look at me. It is now obvious that your PMs were not intended to do anything other than to try to expose me for what you thing that I am. Your fake personality has worn thin.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by Maple Leafs
Since it's clear that both of you know how to use PMs, perhaps you could put that knowledge to use in resolving this dsipute?

I agree that PM's would be the best means to resolve this, but couriers decided to make this a public dispute and say I was lying as a moderator - my only way to take this back to the private realm is to delete this thread (something I'd hate to do on principle).

You were the one that made this public when you posted the quote removal despite my wished otherwise. I asked you specifically not to do it simply because I didn't want to make this public yet you still want to try and blame me. Are you really that full of shit?

BTW, FUCK YOU JOHN.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by couriers
I didn't create any policy John so once again stop trying to put this on me. I told you twice that I was not interested any longer in having the quotes removed. Once prior to you posting the info and again after, which I didn't realize had happend yet. Upon learning that you were going to make the info public I had asked you kindly to not remove them and you pretty much said tough shit. You could have deleted your post and put the quotes back in but instead you acted as if there was nothing you could do.

I am glad that I learned your true feelings in regards to how you look at me. It is now obvious that your PMs were not intended to do anything other than to try to expose me for what you thing that I am. Your fake personality has worn thin.

Now you are just lying couriers. No PM I sent to you could be construed as "tough shit." By the time, I received your message, I had already posted about the removal and received a response. I think it would be a mistake to delete posts and threads to cover up your request. You asked me only AFTER I said "yes" did you ask not to remove them. This was after several very long posts requesting removal.

And I treated you with respect in those PM's and took you at your word when no one else here would have. My personality is not "fake" and I'm not a liar. People have called me many things on this board, but I don't think anyone will dispute that I am a "stand-up guy." I take attacks and play straight even when it pisses off people. I may fail as a moderator, but it won't be because I'm not honest in doing it.

Originally posted by John Galt
couriers,

I've have given you more credibility and more patience than any sane man would. I have bent over backwards in my PM's to ignore what everyone else here said. You opposed moderation then you grandstanded about quotes you don't like (despite specific policy requesting PM) and asked they be removed, and finally you requested via PM that they be removed. I asked you to clarify that you were personally offended and that this wasn't some attempt at sabotage on your part. In the end, I took you at your word and removed the posts.

Then at the moment I told you that I would remove them and make a public note (the policy you created), you PMed me that you didn't want them removed. By the time I received that PM, the posts had been removed.

I gave you more credit than ANY one else on this board would have.

You have attempted to destroy this moderation system though lies and deciept. I gave you more than enough chances and took you at your word. Now, your intentions are clear.

The quotes will be restored and I will no longer take any requests from you regarding removal.

This is the kind of backlash that I was trying to avoid. You claim that you didn't create the backlash yet you are the one posting it.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally posted by John Galt
I agree that PM's would be the best means to resolve this, but couriers decided to make this a public dispute and say I was lying as a moderator - my only way to take this back to the private realm is to delete this thread (something I'd hate to do on principle).

Fair enough. But based on his conduct since the QOTM moderation issue came up, I think your odds of getting any sort of rationale debate out of this are fairly slim.

[Franklinnoble]

I'm beginning to think that couriers is a black, jewish, homosexual, handicapped midget that was abused as a child and has used his vendetta against the QOTM as an outlet for his pent up sexual frustration and self-loathing.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by couriers
You were the one that made this public when you posted the quote removal despite my wished otherwise. I asked you specifically not to do it simply because I didn't want to make this public yet you still want to try and blame me. Are you really that full of shit?

I've explained this already, but I'll try one more time. I removed the quotes and posted about it only AFTER several posts by you requesting removal. AFTER I removed the quotes and posted about it, I received your message requesting there be no removal.

[astralhaze]

Worst. Thread. Ever.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by Maple Leafs
Fair enough. But based on his conduct since the QOTM moderation issue came up, I think your odds of getting any sort of rationale debate out of this are fairly slim.

Maybe - but I don't think this debate is about couriers - it is trying not to cover-up things that people may find reasons why I should not be moderator. My objectivity was questioned several times in the original thread on this issue. For me to bury this would confirm those doubts.

5:45pm I sent you this, which was read at the same time according to the PM Tracker:

“You can decide to keep the quotes in the QoTM for all I care any longer. I should not have been pressed on my requests so strongly and more people should have considered taking more of my remarks with a sense of innocent intent instead of continually questioning and attacking my personal nature. Do as you wish because this has become something that has wasted more of my time than it is worth. I am under the belief that we could go round and round on this over and over again and you could continue to come up with ways to question my motives and I could continue to come up with ways to respond. Yet we may never get anywhere and the destination has become pointless.”

Three times in that statement I made it clear that I was no longer interested in pursuing the issue. Then you decided to post the removal anyways at 5:57.

Originally posted by John Galt
I've explained this already, but I'll try one more time. I removed the quotes and posted about it only AFTER several posts by you requesting removal. AFTER I removed the quotes and posted about it, I received your message requesting there be no removal.

See the above post for proof of your bullshit.

[John Galt]

couriers - post the whole PM and whole conversation. You did not make clear that you didn't want removal. You were expressing frustration at me because you thought I wasn't taking your request for removal seriously. The rest of that PM was arguments for removal.

Originally posted by John Galt
couriers - post the whole PM and whole conversation. You did not make clear that you didn't want removal. You were expressing frustration at me because you thought I wasn't taking your request for removal seriously. The rest of that PM was arguments for removal.

The rest of the conversation should not be necessary since it was simply answering the questions that you posed to me. The paragraph above was my closing statement and reflected my final thoughts on the issue. The ones that you chose to ignore.

[astralhaze]

John, if I may offer some friendly advice. Don't feed the troll.

How is offering evidence to what I believe was something that was done despite my wishes an act of trolling?

[John Galt]

Originally posted by couriers
The rest of the conversation should not be necessary since it was simply answering the questions that you posed to me. The paragraph above was my closing statement and reflected my final thoughts on the issue. The ones that you chose to ignore.

couriers - read it again - you do NOT say, don't remove. You say that you could argue over and over again with me and I still wouldn't believe you and remove. The only time you come close is when you say you don't care which is clearly read as frustration not a desire for non-removal. Give me a break. Did you really spend this much time to concoct this whole thing to attack QotM moderation? My god.

[astralhaze]

couriers, I follow my own advice.