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One copyright infringement lawsuit that even Foz can cheer..
Geist: Record industry faces liability over `infringement' - thestar.com
Nice to see the standards used to cook the various filesharers goose ("We're entitled to $150,000 per song!", is being used now to cook four record companies gander (Warner, Sony, EMI, Universal (or at least each of their Canadian operations) When you total up the infringement from the various songs they sold without authorization, the class action suit has the Record Industry facing a maximum of $60 BILLION.
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12-07-2009, 10:58 AM | #2 |
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ALL thieves deserve to be punished, so yes I hope the record companies get their goose cooked. Of course if it goes for the full $60billion, then the filesharers could be in big trouble because it will validate the $150K per song.
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12-07-2009, 11:00 AM | #3 |
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Awesome.
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12-07-2009, 11:08 AM | #4 | |
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It's not $150K in this case, but $20K per song. The funny thing is that the full US standards (DMCA, no private sharing, 150K per song) is what the four companies are pushing for in Canada
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12-07-2009, 11:34 AM | #5 |
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They had to know that setting such an absurdly high price per song in court documents was going to be used against them some day, didn't they?
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12-07-2009, 11:36 AM | #6 |
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They don't need to follow rules, Samdari.. they're BUSINESSES! Rules are for other people!
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12-07-2009, 11:48 AM | #7 |
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This is why I keep arguing the copyright side... I hope these companies get hit hard for their bullshit. Their systematic abuse of copyright is why the laws exist and must not be eroded just because joe six pack wants to steal too.
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Again, seriously? The record companies will do whatever they want, damn the legalities. Damn the rules. They submitted something in this case that said "It would take too much time and effort to track down everyone on our list" to get copyright approval. Hermits like Bruce Springsteen, or Beyonce.. you know.. people who it's harder then Bin Laden to find, apparently I know this is one of my pet peeves, but the abuse of copyright and the one-sidedness of the current climate (and I would extend that to much of the business world as well, they're playing in their own false reality. Despite the $60 billion max liability the article above talks about, I'm sure they'll make it go away with a small settlement (that will go primarily to the lawyers), and coupons to buy albums that the record companies couldn't give away (like they did previously) The average person now has no power in the equation.
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12-07-2009, 12:01 PM | #9 |
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What power should the average person have in this equation? It's easier and cheaper to buy music now than it was when I was growing up.
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12-07-2009, 12:04 PM | #10 |
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Well at least we will be on the same side of this one-sided fight... If we want to argue a state of lawlessness exists when it comes to corporate america I'd generally agree, but I'd say then the battle is not to download tunes off of whatever new variant of Napster is making the rounds these day... but to fight this abuse before it gets even further out of hand.
Sitting around thinking you are sticking it to the man with petty theft is how we end up in these situations (well that and massive political bribes, general apathy of the populace, and the easy money to be made/saved by ignoring copyright). |
12-07-2009, 12:06 PM | #11 |
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Besides, the victim for the most part is the ARTIST, the 'average man' stealing a luxury item and crying about harsh punishment (which I agree it is overly cruel and unusual) is not who I care about protecting.
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12-07-2009, 12:10 PM | #12 |
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The average person should have the right to listen to the media they purchased how they want, when they want. Right now, the right to burn your own music CD's is under attack by the record companies. They want to try to say you're buying the music CD, not the music, therefore it's illegal to rip them to your machine, create your own mix of music on a CD to listen to.
It's the same thing for the movie companies, except apparently they have better lobbyists. They've succesfully bought out fair use. (If I buy a movie, I should have the right to rip it to my computer, back it up to a disc, whatever I want, as long as I don't infringe their copyright by then selling on the "Backup" copies, or distribute it. They've demanded the right to point at an IP address and say to the ISP. "They've been infringing our copyright" and the ISP has to kick them off (the so-called three strikes rule. Copyright has also been unreasonably extended multiple times, because businesses fear the loss of their cash cows. Copyright was intended to SPUR on creation by giving protection for a limited time, not monetize it forever and ever. There was a reason that these things were intended to fall into the public domain. But nothing ever will now, because when these cash cows come due again, they will be extended, until the mere idea of a "limited duration" copyright is laughable (some say it's already there!)
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12-07-2009, 02:13 PM | #13 |
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I am very much for 'fair use' and 'limited duration' copyrights (and patents... despite my belief I'll probably profit very much off of my own someday, I'm for the protections being limited but STRONG).
If those are the problems, fight them directly... don't advocate that people should have unfettered and easy access to full copies of creative works with no payment of any sort to whoever owns the properties. You don't starve if you don't get your latest Miley Cyrus CD... show some willpower and boycott. Or better yet, develop and encourage your own distribution system, guess what this will be what really kills the RIAA if lawsuits don't... a more vicious and efficient business, not a bunch of backroom hackers and apathetic freeloaders. |
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I'll just throw this here instead of starting a new thread:
Nashville Music - Used MP3s: Consumers try hawking 'old' digital music files through new website - page 1 Quote:
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12-07-2009, 03:09 PM | #15 |
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Very interesting as well, Apple announced the purchase of Lala (a site you may have seen me fanboy gush about) I HOPE this doesn't mean that Lala's model (songs through their website for a dime, upload your collection to listen through their website, full mp3's if you want them for $0.99) is going to change or be eliminated.
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It's definitely easier, but I certainly don't think music is any cheaper than when I was growing up, at least not if you're buying through 'approved channels'. Anybody remember the halcyon days of 'the nice price' stickers, or two albums on one cassette? I used to buy a ton of music back in the '80s and '90s, but 90% of it was used vinyl for 50 cents-to-a dollar, purchased at one of many local used record stores that have long-since been driven out of business, and those were legal purchases that never had any hope of trickling down to the poor artist in question (or the record companies), but I never lost any sleep over it at the time. I think it's safe to say that the average person's power in the purchase of music has definitely decreased over time, in terms of what you get for your dollar (price has increased or stayed steady, while the actual physical items have shrunk or disappeared altogether), whereas selection, availability and convenience have increased dramatically. Overall, I could see that as a wash from the consumer's perspective. The RIAA deserves nearly all the credit for keeping prices high (despite class-action lawsuits) and none of the credit for selection or availability, which mainly came about through third-party efforts, so I personally have very little sympathy for them, and hope they get burned by the ridiculous penalties they've been slapping on individuals up to this point. |
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