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[Butter]

I mean take it easy on the Bucks. They just barely beat poor widdle Ohio U. Oh no! Hopefully USC will keep it to no more than a 4 TD win.

[Dr. Sak]

I hope the Bucks can win a game against a tough OOC opponent. They've been hands down the best team in the Big Ten the past 2 years plus, but losing (badly) in big games has killed the Big Ten.

[DeToxRox]

When does OSU win big games OOC vs teams not named Notre Dame?

[Dr. Sak]

I can't really say much because Penn State hasn't beaten a top 25 team on the road since 2002, but they have won their last 3 bowl games against Texas A&M, Tennessee, and Florida State.

But a OSU win this week would be great for the image of the Big Ten.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

When does OSU win big games OOC vs teams not named Notre Dame?

Texas? Miami? Kansas State? OSU actually has a pretty decent recent history in big OOC games. They've just lost the 2 most important ones of the last 2 years.

[gstelmack]

Miami? It's been a while since that would be considered a "big OOC game".

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Miami? It's been a while since that would be considered a "big OOC game".

I assuming he meant in the NC game. Based on what I saw Saturday, in two years, they might be there again.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Miami? It's been a while since that would be considered a "big OOC game".

maybe he means Miami of Ohio?

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Texas? Miami? Kansas State? OSU actually has a pretty decent recent history in big OOC games. They've just lost the 2 most important ones of the last 2 years.

If Harstock catches that TD pass, you could say Texas x 2.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

If Harstock catches that TD pass, you could say Texas x 2.

Ryan Hamby, I believe that was.

And yes, that's Miami-FL in the national title game I was intending.

[Dr. Sak]

You're right...

[DanGarion]

35-21 USC. You heard it here first!

[DeToxRox]

I'll get flamed for this I am sure, but oh well, here goes!

I think Tressel has done remarkable work with OSU. He has bitch slapped my beloved Wolverines, and been in three title games, but I can't help but think he is overrated.

My problem is this. His biggest wins are against some very poor coaches. Now I respect Lloyd Carr and what he did for Michigan, but he was an average coach. Any good coach would've won a few of those OSU games, but I-Form Lloyd blew a few of them.

Larry Coker was ATROCIOUS. He may've been the worst coach ever in a NC game.

Mack Brown has shown time and time again he isn't a great game coach.

Charlie Weis .. is Charlie Weis.

Those are the four marquee teams he has beaten, and kudos to him for doing so. Those guys are not bad, but they are not great.

A great coach is someone who can do it all. I mean come on, OSU teams STILL struggle with spread offenses, no matter how great their D is. He still cannot beat SEC teams, and his teams still play weak teams way too tight.

I just feel like the Vest is good, probably great, but he is not an elite coach, of which there are probably only two at this stage: Pete and Urban.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I am sure I am not. I wouldn't be surprised at all if USC runs Ohio State out of the Coliseum. USC's D is on another level and I think OSU's offense is going to get beat up bad. If USC gets up early, and Boeckman has to throw, it could be really ugly. Unless Beanie is 100% and able to ground out 6 and 7 minute drives, I'd be really worried as an OSU fan.

And no this is not a jaded Wolverine fan talking right now, just a college football fanatic.

[Scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I'll get flamed for this I am sure, but oh well, here goes!

I think Tressel has done remarkable work with OSU. He has bitch slapped my beloved Wolverines, and been in three title games, but I can't help but think he is overrated.

My problem is this. His biggest wins are against some very poor coaches. Now I respect Lloyd Carr and what he did for Michigan, but he was an average coach. Any good coach would've won a few of those OSU games, but I-Form Lloyd blew a few of them.

Larry Coker was ATROCIOUS. He may've been the worst coach ever in a NC game.

Mack Brown has shown time and time again he isn't a great game coach.

Charlie Weis .. is Charlie Weis.

Those are the four marquee teams he has beaten, and kudos to him for doing so. Those guys are not bad, but they are not great.

A great coach is someone who can do it all. I mean come on, OSU teams STILL struggle with spread offenses, no matter how great their D is. He still cannot beat SEC teams, and his teams still play weak teams way too tight.

I just feel like the Vest is good, probably great, but he is not an elite coach, of which there are probably only two at this stage: Pete and Urban.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I am sure I am not. I wouldn't be surprised at all if USC runs Ohio State out of the Coliseum. USC's D is on another level and I think OSU's offense is going to get beat up bad. If USC gets up early, and Boeckman has to throw, it could be really ugly. Unless Beanie is 100% and able to ground out 6 and 7 minute drives, I'd be really worried as an OSU fan.

And no this is not a jaded Wolverine fan talking right now, just a college football fanatic.

As an Ohio State fan I agree with everything minus the talk about the senator.


I'm nervous. If we get beat, we get beat. I would not be disappointed getting beat by an outstanding USC.

[Butter]

The reason they always look average is that he is SO conservative. That is a fault of his I am willing to own up to. Even playing against Ohio U., he refused to unleash the offense until they were down 8 points in the 3rd quarter. Then, Boeckman came out of his shell a little bit and they stopped being so vanilla.

The reason he does that, is that I think he really doesn't want to tip his hand against better opponents. Why give them something to scout? It's run-run-pass-punt, and hope that the special teams and D can create scoring opportunities against weaker opponents (which is where Ohio U. and most of the Big Ten historically break down).

Urban Meyer did outcoach him BADLY in the 2006 title game. But I don't think Les Miles outcoached him in the 2007 game. OSU's QB just isn't elite. If they lose to the Trojans, that's where the fault will once again lie. Not the coaching.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

The reason they always look average is that he is SO conservative. That is a fault of his I am willing to own up to. Even playing against Ohio U., he refused to unleash the offense until they were down 8 points in the 3rd quarter. Then, Boeckman came out of his shell a little bit and they stopped being so vanilla.

The reason he does that, is that I think he really doesn't want to tip his hand against better opponents. Why give them something to scout? It's run-run-pass-punt, and hope that the special teams and D can create scoring opportunities against weaker opponents (which is where Ohio U. and most of the Big Ten historically break down).

Urban Meyer did outcoach him BADLY in the 2006 title game. But I don't think Les Miles outcoached him in the 2007 game. OSU's QB just isn't elite. If they lose to the Trojans, that's where the fault will once again lie. Not the coaching.

I'll concur with that. He has the talent to play vanilla so he doesn't show much before big games, but I feel like that is as much a hinderance as anything. Let the kids make those plays before the big game. They have elite talent, so the execution ought to be the same vs Ohio or vs USC.

I think that is why we may enter another 10 year war period (providing Rich stays that long) because it'll be an aggressive spread team that gives OSU fits.

Should be a fun era .. Sans year one.

[Eaglesfan27]

Can't wait to watch the game. I just hope Ike doesn't prevent me from doing so.

[SFL Cat]

looking more and more like it's going to hit the Texas coast.