E3 08 Discussion and News

[MJ4H]

Didn't see one of these so I thought I'd start one with Microsoft's part coming up in a little bit.

Early leak from Nintendo:

Introducing Wii MotionPlus, accessory for the Wii Remote July 14, 2008

Filed under: First Look — hey_suburbia @ 11:00 am

Nintendo’s upcoming Wii MotionPlus accessory for the revolutionary Wii Remote controller again redefines game control, by more quickly and accurately reflecting motions in a 3-D space. The Wii MotionPlus accessory attaches to the end of the Wii Remote and, combined with the accelerometer and the sensor bar, allows for more comprehensive tracking of a player’s arm position and orientation, providing players with an unmatched level of precision and immersion. Every slight movement players make with their wrist or arm is rendered identically in real time on the screen, providing a true 1:1 response in their game play. The Wii MotionPlus accessory reconfirms Nintendo’s commitment to making games intuitive and accessible for everyone. Nintendo will reveal more details about the Wii MotionPlus accessory and other topics Tuesday

[sabotai]

Guitar Hero is becoming Rock Band. I wonder if their drum kit and guitar will be compatible with Rock Band 2 (The Guitar Hero makers are the ones that tried to make thier stuff not work with Rock Band, right? Or something like that?)

[MJ4H]

Who is this Duffy and why won't she move?

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Who is this Duffy and why won't she move?

Because she sucks? That was terrible.

[MJ4H]

I was begging her for mercy.

[MJ4H]

Final Fantasy XIII on 360

[sabotai]

Final Fantasy 13 will be on the 360. They didn't say when though.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Guitar Hero is becoming Rock Band. I wonder if their drum kit and guitar will be compatible with Rock Band 2 (The Guitar Hero makers are the ones that tried to make thier stuff not work with Rock Band, right? Or something like that?)

The GHIII guitar/game combo I just got said that only GHIII peripherals will work with GHIII. So the guitar works with Rock Band, but allegedly my Rock Band guitar won't work with GHIII.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

The GHIII guitar/game combo I just got said that only GHIII peripherals will work with GHIII. So the guitar works with Rock Band, but allegedly my Rock Band guitar won't work with GHIII.

Ok, I forgot which way the compatibility went. I guess this means you shouldn't expect your Rock Star stuff to work with Guitar Hear World Tour.

I know they want to make their money off of their controllers, but I wonder how many people won't get GH World Tour because the drums/guitar they have from RS or RS2 won't work with GH World Tour (if they in fact don't work with it).

[SirFozzie]

(sorry missed this thread)

Here's the setlist for RB2:

Rock Band 2 On-Disc Track List:

Artist Song Title Decade
1. AC/DC “Let There Be Rock” 1970s
2. AFI “Girl’s Gone Grey” 2000’s
3. Alanis Morissette “You Oughta Know” 1990’s
4. Alice in Chains “Man in the Box” 1990’s
5. Allman Brothers “Ramblin’ Man” 1970’s
6. Avenged Sevenfold “Almost Easy” 2000’s
7. Bad Company “Shooting Star” 1970’s
8. Beastie Boys “So Whatcha Want” 1990’s
9. Beck “E-Pro” 2000’s
10. Bikini Kill “Rebel Girl” 1990’s
11. Billy Idol “White Wedding Pt. I” 1980’s
12. Blondie “One Way or Another” 1970’s
13. Bob Dylan “Tangled Up in Blue” 1970’s
14. Bon Jovi “Livin’ on a Prayer” 1980’s
15. Cheap Trick “Hello There” 1970’s
16. Devo “Uncontrollable Urge” 1980’s
17. Dinosaur Jr. “Feel the Pain” 1990’s
18. Disturbed “Down with the Sickness” 2000’s
19. Dream Theater “Panic Attack” 2000’s
20. Duran Duran “Hungry Like the Wolf” 1980’s
21. Elvis Costello “Pump It Up” 1970’s
22. Fleetwood Mac “Go Your Own Way” 1970’s
23. Foo Fighters “Everlong” 1990’s
24. Guns N’ Roses “Shackler’s Revenge” 2000’s
25. Interpol “PDA” 2000’s
26. Jane’s Addiction “Mountain Song” 1980’s
27. Jethro Tull “Aqualung” 1970’s
28. Jimmy Eat World “The Middle” 2000’s
29. Joan Jett “Bad Reputation” 1980’s
30. Journey “Anyway You Want It” 1970’s
31. Judas Priest “Painkiller” 1990’s
32. Kansas “Carry On Wayward Son” 1970’s
33. L7 “Pretend We’re Dead” 1990’s
34. Lacuna Coil “Our Truth” 2000’s
35. Linkin Park “One Step Closer” 2000’s
36. Lit “My Own Worst Enemy” 1990’s
37. Lush “De-Luxe” 1990’s
38. Mastodon “Colony of Birchmen” 2000’s
39. Megadeth “Peace Sells” 1980’s
40. Metallica “Battery” 1980’s
41. Mighty Mighty Bosstones “Where’d You Go” 1990’s
42. Modest Mouse “Float On” 2000’s
43. Motorhead “Ace of Spades” 1980’s
44. Nirvana “Drain You” 1990’s
45. Norman Greenbaum “Spirit in the Sky” 1960’s
46. Panic at the Disco “Nine in the Afternoon” 2000’s
47. Paramore “That’s What You Get” 2000’s
48. Pearl Jam “Alive” 1990’s
49. Presidents of the USA “Lump” 1990’s
50. Rage Against the Machine “Testify” 1990’s
51. Ratt “Round & Round” 1980’s
52. Red Hot Chili Peppers “Give it Away” 1990’s
53. Rise Against “Give it All” 2000’s
54. Rush “The Trees” 1970’s
55. Silversun Pickups “Lazy Eye” 2000’s
56. Smashing Pumpkins “Today” 1990’s
57. Social Distortion “I Was Wrong” 1990’s
58. Sonic Youth “Teenage Riot” 1980’s
59. Soundgarden “Spoonman” 1990’s
60. Squeeze “Cool for Cats” 1970’s
61. Steely Dan “Bodhitsattva” 1970’s
62. Steve Miller Band “Rock’n Me” 1970’s
63. Survivor “Eye of the Tiger” 1980’s
64. System of a Down “Chop Suey” 2000’s
65. Talking Heads “Psycho Killer” 1970’s
66. Tenacious D “Master Exploder” 2000’s
67. Testament “Souls of Black” 1990’s
68. The Donnas “New Kid in School” 2000’s
69. The Go-Go’s “We Got the Beat” 1980’s
70. The Grateful Dead “Alabama Getaway” 1980’s
71. The Guess Who “American Woman” 1970’s
72. The Muffs “Kids in America” 1990’s
73. The Offspring “Come Out & Play (Keep ‘em Separated)” 1990’s
74. The Replacements “Alex Chilton” 1980’s
75. The Who “Pinball Wizard” 1960’s

Bonus Artist Bonus Song Title Decade
76. Abnormality “Visions” 2000’s
77. Anarchy Club “Get Clean” 2000’s
78. Bang Camaro “Night Lies” 2000’s
79. Breaking Wheel “Shoulder to the Plow” 2000’s
80. The Libyans “Neighborhood” 2000’s
81. The Main Drag “A Jagged Gorgeous Winter” 2000’s
82. Speck “Conventional Lover” 2000’s
83. The Sterns “Supreme Girl” 2000’s
84. That Handsome Devil “Rob the Prez-O-Dent” 2000’s

Also:

There will be 20 Free DLC songs at time of release. Not known if it's going to be re-released songs that will be free, or new songs, that just couldn't fit on the disc. (I hope they include Freezepop, disappointed to not see them in the Bonus songs so far)

Here's the interesting section:

Rock Band 2 will feature backwards compatibility with all Rock Band downloadable music content released to date.

Owners of the original Rock Band will have the ability to export most of the Rock Band disc tracks and upgrade them into Rock Band 2 gameplay-the first time ever in videogame history! [1]

If I'm reading this right Sounds like most of the disc songs will be able to be played in Rock Band 2.. which is good, I want to keep most of my favorites from RB 1 into RB2.

Good Game, Guitar Hero World Tour, well played. You LOSE.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Final Fantasy XIII on 360

I'm waiting for MBBF's head to explode!


There went my main reason to ask for a PS3 this Christmas.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

There went my main reason to ask for a PS3 this Christmas.

Yeah, my main reason for getting a PS3 (since I don't own a big HDTV) is gone, too. I still haven't even really gotten a chance to play FF12 yet, so if it's not released for awhile, that won't matter to me.

[MJ4H]

I thought Microsoft's presentation was pretty awful overall, frankly, but there were a few nuggets. I saw a couple of games that looked interesting, I like that live arcade's dev kit is free and there are going to be some good products of that (word soup looked cool). The movie editing game seemed pretty horrible. Glad to see FF not as a ps exclusive anymore. Wish it would return to Nintendo, too

Started off their presentation by showing 2 of the most graphically bland games I've ever seen, yet again (seems to be a staple)--I swear Fallout and RE5 had 3 color palettes.

[MJ4H]

Watching coverage on G4 was worth it just for this commerical:

[Calis]

Wow, that setlist for Rock Band 2 looks much better to me than the original. Ratcheted up my interest in it quite a bit.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Final Fantasy XIII on 360

LOL

Originally Posted by sabotai

Final Fantasy 13 will be on the 360. They didn't say when though.

(Where's my pounding the floor in silent laughter emoticon?)

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

(sorry missed this thread)

There will be 20 Free DLC songs at time of release. Not known if it's going to be re-released songs that will be free, or new songs, that just couldn't fit on the disc. (I hope they include Freezepop, disappointed to not see them in the Bonus songs so far)

They will be new, original tracks. I do not know if it's "couldn't fit" stuff, or just "suck it down, GH bitches" stuff.

Here's the interesting section:

Rock Band 2 will feature backwards compatibility with all Rock Band downloadable music content released to date.

Owners of the original Rock Band will have the ability to export most of the Rock Band disc tracks and upgrade them into Rock Band 2 gameplay-the first time ever in videogame history! [1]

If I'm reading this right Sounds like most of the disc songs will be able to be played in Rock Band 2.. which is good, I want to keep most of my favorites from RB 1 into RB2.

Good Game, Guitar Hero World Tour, well played. You LOSE.

Well, keep in mind, there are only around 60 or so songs on the disc in the first place. That's a lot, but most could technically be as few as 31. I'm curious how that's going to work, exactly, and I hope to have more information after my demo on Thursday morning.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

LOL



(Where's my pounding the floor in silent laughter emoticon?)

I don't get it.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I don't get it.

He's referring to arguments they've had with MBBF in the past, about how Sony would NEVER let Microsoft get their hands on Final Fantasy because it was the one true system seller. Now that it's happened, MBBF has done everything but said "Meh." and looked away.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I don't get it.

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

He's referring to arguments they've had with MBBF in the past, about how Sony would NEVER let Microsoft get their hands on Final Fantasy because it was the one true system seller. Now that it's happened, MBBF has done everything but said "Meh." and looked away.

Well, partly, but it's not entirely MBBF.

There have been a LOT of people who clung to that particular canard. It was sort of the trump bullet in the gun, each time a previously exclusive franchise was announced for the Xbox 360.

It's MOSTLY laughter at how the whole thing has unfolded...but there's a little schadenfreude in there, too. We'll see what Sony has to counter that at their press briefing tomorrow (which I can't attend because stinkin' Foz couldn't come out here to shoulder the E3 meetings load. ).

[Kodos]

"Schadenfreude"?

[sabotai]

Got it. I haven't really been following the console scene much (I've mostly stayed out of the "console sales" threads for pretty obvious reasons) so I don't really know much about how this whole thing has unfolded.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Well, partly, but it's not entirely MBBF.

There have been a LOT of people who clung to that particular canard. It was sort of the trump bullet in the gun, each time a previously exclusive franchise was announced for the Xbox 360.

It's MOSTLY laughter at how the whole thing has unfolded...but there's a little schadenfreude in there, too. We'll see what Sony has to counter that at their press briefing tomorrow (which I can't attend because stinkin' Foz couldn't come out here to shoulder the E3 meetings load. ).

Maybe next year I'll take all my vacation time within two months and do bothE3 and GenCon

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Kodos

"Schadenfreude"?

It's German:


http://www.answers.com/topic/schadenfreude

Dictionary:schadenfreude
(shäd'n-froi'də) pronunciation

n.

Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Kodos

"Schadenfreude"?

It's a german word that sorta loses something in the translation. Basically it means happiness over something bad that happens to someone else. In this case, Sack gets a bit of a kick out of how wrong the Sony fanboys were regarding FF13.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by sabotai

It's a german word that sorta loses something in the translation. Basically it means happiness over something bad that happens to someone else. In this case, Sack gets a bit of a kick out of how wrong the Sony fanboys were regarding FF13.

Less joy over the wrongness, more over some of the responses I'm seeing from that community in light of the wrongness. It's hilarious.

And again, it's not entirely aimed at MBBF...but I'd be lying if I said there wasn't any.

[Groundhog]

W00t! RB2 (RB1 hasn't even been released over here yet...) has Jethro Tull! Wowzers.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

He's referring to arguments they've had with MBBF in the past, about how Sony would NEVER let Microsoft get their hands on Final Fantasy because it was the one true system seller. Now that it's happened, MBBF has done everything but said "Meh." and looked away.

Certainly that wasn't anything close to what my comments were after the announcement. I stated that it was a bomb of an announcement and that it would hurt Sony.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

W00t! RB2 (RB1 hasn't even been released over here yet...) has Jethro Tull! Wowzers.

Is there a cut scene of them stealing a Grammy?

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

(sorry missed this thread)

Here's the setlist for RB2:

Wow. That set list is a bit below expectations in my book. Sure, there are good songs, but with 84, there damn well better be.

I see them poaching some old GH songs with Round and Round, Carry on Wayward Son, etc- but they're good songs so sharing the wealth to different series isn't bad. I'm curious if there's going to start being some RB/GH exclusivity contracts handed out- "Now, if you publish your song with us and we pay you extra money, you can't go over to the other game". That sort of thing.

However, I see a lot of songs that would not be in my "top songs for a band". That's the best they could do for AC/DC? Drain You for Nirvana? C'mon. And Battery for Metallica? I can count of at least 10 ununsed songs from them I'd prefer more and that's a conservative estimate. I think we're just starting to reach a point where we're running out of "Quality Guitar Hero/Rock Band" songs for this genre in history.

SI

[Ryan S]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

However, I see a lot of songs that would not be in my "top songs for a band". That's the best they could do for AC/DC? Drain You for Nirvana? C'mon. And Battery for Metallica? I can count of at least 10 ununsed songs from them I'd prefer more and that's a conservative estimate. I think we're just starting to reach a point where we're running out of "Quality Guitar Hero/Rock Band" songs for this genre in history.

I expect it makes good business sense for them to release the best songs as downloadable content.

[Neon_Chaos]

You have to believe that Sony has aces up its sleeve as well.

The loss of exclusivity of Square's flasgship series is pretty big.

Now we wait and see what kind of ammo Sony is packing today.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Certainly that wasn't anything close to what my comments were after the announcement. I stated that it was a bomb of an announcement and that it would hurt Sony.

You also spun it many different ways. Your first comment was how much it cost Microsoft to do, and your second was you saying it's not much of an impact unless it happens to allow Microsoft a foothold in Japan:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Couple things to watch for regarding FFXIII.....

1. How much did Microsoft spend to land FFXIII on their system? Had to be a pretty penny.

2. Will the release be similar to the GTAIV release? Sells software (which is great for the developer), but fails to move many consoles as the installed base is already somewhat set. Japan is where this will be very important for them. They could do some damage to Sony if they can get a foothold over there.

Here you mention that it's good in that it breaks an exclusive logjam for Microsoft, but bad because it puts the focus on first-party exclusives which Microsoft is not good at:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Yep, very true. I do think that this continues the trend of third party exclusives continuing to be less and less attractive. It's really good and bad for Microsoft if that's true. It's good because they will land a few of the third party games that Sony has used as a choke-hold over the past several years. It's bad in that first party exclusives will play a much greater role on the systems, and Microsoft's weakness compared to its competitors is first party games.

Here's your strong "Meh" because you still get to play on PS3, plus point out issues Microsoft still has even with this, plus build anticipation for Sony's press conference:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

As mentioned above by wade, that's definitely the impact that MS wanted. It shows just how the third-party exclusives are quickly disappearing. You implied in another head that 'my head would explode'. Not sure why that would happen as it doesn't affect me personally. I still get to play FFXIII either way on my PS3. It certainly will spur debate in this thread, that's for sure. Microsoft still has to find a way to sell consoles. That's their main problem right now. The main sales that were lost by this announcement were the cross-over sales by 360 owners to the PS3. Sony now has to find other ways to make cross-over sales. I do think your comment that it will eliminate the impact on PS3 sales is highly exaggerated. It will definitely still provide a boost.

I would note that Sony's press conference is scheduled for tomorrow. MS has laid down their claim. We'll have to see what Sony has in store to counter this move. I have no doubt that they're not just going to roll over. It's definitely great to see these kinds of things take place because it really spurs interest in the consoles, which is great for the industry over the long haul.

So yes, you briefly mention this may hurt Sony a bit, but you spent far more time talking about all the bad things this does to Microsoft that even out the good, talk about how this actually helps Sony since they have an advantage in first-party exclusives, and lay the groundwork for Sony's conference today.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

You also spun it many different ways. Your first comment was how much it cost Microsoft to do, and your second was you saying it's not much of an impact unless it happens to allow Microsoft a foothold in Japan:



Here you mention that it's good in that it breaks an exclusive logjam for Microsoft, but bad because it puts the focus on first-party exclusives which Microsoft is not good at:



Here's your strong "Meh" because you still get to play on PS3, plus point out issues Microsoft still has even with this, plus build anticipation for Sony's press conference:



So yes, you briefly mention this may hurt Sony a bit, but you spent far more time talking about all the bad things this does to Microsoft that even out the good, talk about how this actually helps Sony since they have an advantage in first-party exclusives, and lay the groundwork for Sony's conference today.

Yet I note how you conviniently left out my multiple criticisms of Sony and the PS3. You spun it how you wanted to spin it to slant it as though I was somehow propping up Sony, but there was plenty of criticism to go around. Nintendo was the only system that I wasn't critical of in the thread. I mentioned in that thread that it hurt Sony. I said that the move yesterday likely cost Sony hundreds of thousands of hardware unit sales. I said that Sony likely was using the bottom line when deciding where to keep FFXIII exclusive, but that it was a bad decision and that the loss of previous exclusives has hurt the perception of the PS brand as a whole.

Where was all that in your assessment of my supposed pro-Sony, anti-MS comments? You're grasping at straws here. I think I've been very critical of Sony. But to assume that suddenly the problems surrounding the 360 have been removed because they now have FFXIII is very flawed at best. They still have lots of issues, much like Sony. I think that assessment is very fair.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Yet I note how you conviniently left out my multiple criticisms of Sony and the PS3. You spun it how you wanted to spin it to slant it as though I was somehow propping up Sony, but there was plenty of criticism to go around. Nintendo was the only system that I wasn't critical of in the thread. I mentioned in that thread that it hurt Sony. I said that the move yesterday likely cost Sony hundreds of thousands of hardware unit sales. I said that Sony likely was using the bottom line when deciding where to keep FFXIII exclusive, but that it was a bad decision and that the loss of previous exclusives has hurt the perception of the PS brand as a whole.

Where was all that in your assessment of my supposed pro-Sony, anti-MS comments? You're grasping at straws here. I think I've been very critical of Sony. But to assume that suddenly the problems surrounding the 360 have been removed because they now have FFXIII is very flawed at best. They still have lots of issues, much like Sony. I think that assessment is very fair.

This discussion was about your early strong assertions that Sony would never let FFXIII go to the 360 and your reaction to it going to the 360 not matching those early strong statements, not your general reactions to all consoles. As always, you'll bury one negative comment in a host of spin, then later use the fact that you said that one negative thing as evidence of your neutrality.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

This discussion was about your early strong assertions that Sony would never let FFXIII go to the 360 and your reaction to it going to the 360 not matching those early strong statements, not your general reactions to all consoles. As always, you'll bury one negative comment in a host of spin, then later use the fact that you said that one negative thing as evidence of your neutrality.

Similarly, you're spinning bullet points of my statements into what you'd like them to be rather than showing the full range of statements, both positive and negative, that I've made. Certainly, you have been very open with your bias towards which console you prefer, but I don't think that precludes you from discussing the console war with some form of neutrality.

Also, I'm under no false impression that this is a neutral board in regards to consoles, but that doesn't mean that honest discussion can't take place. If I wanted a PS3 circle-jerk, I certainly wouldn't choose to discuss the console war here. My opinion regarding FFXIII turned out to be incorrect. I've never debated that. If were going to have a discussion thread about who was right about FFXIII, then you win. But I think there's much more to be discussed here than just that.

[Neon_Chaos]

Full coverage of the 97-minute E3 Microsoft Press Conference.

http://e3.g4tv.com/e32008/press_conf...nference_key=1

[MJ4H]

Animal Crossing: City Folk looks good. Wife will love it.
Wii Sports Resort (or whatever it was) looks cool but it sucks it won't be out until Spring.
Wii Music looks dumb, but I might like to see it actually being used instead of the nonsense demo on the stage.
Cool that a GTA game is coming to DS but I'm not interested.
I learned nothing about Spore Creatures I didn't already know.
3rd party games were not up my alley at all, so meh.

More to come for Nintendo probably. At least I hope Wii Music isn't their big finish.

[Neon_Chaos]

I love how everyone during the MS Presscon was like, "yeah yeah, all these crappy RPGs coming out for the XBOX while the PS3 flaunts Final Fantasy in front of our faces"...and then, BOOM.

[wade moore]

Anyone have a link to Animal Crossing info?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I love how everyone during the MS Presscon was like, "yeah yeah, all these crappy RPGs coming out for the XBOX while the PS3 flaunts Final Fantasy in front of our faces"...and then, BOOM.

There were a couple of nutballs on NeoGaf and other forums that were actually suggesting that the entire press conference was intentionally boring/average so the impact of FFXIII would be more prominent.

I did find it pretty funny how little applause there was for the Guitar Hero guy during his announcements when compared to the Rock Band announcements.

[hukarez]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Anyone have a link to Animal Crossing info?

Give it a search here: http://www.e3feed.com/#

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There were a couple of nutballs on NeoGaf and other forums that were actually suggesting that the entire press conference was intentionally boring/average so the impact of FFXIII would be more prominent.

I did find it pretty funny how little applause there was for the Guitar Hero guy during his announcements when compared to the Rock Band announcements.

And what the heck was that about In The Movies!? that's newsworthy?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

And what the heck was that about In The Movies!? that's newsworthy?

Yeah, that was awful. I'm still not sure that it was even a real game.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

However, I see a lot of songs that would not be in my "top songs for a band". That's the best they could do for AC/DC? Drain You for Nirvana? C'mon. And Battery for Metallica? I can count of at least 10 ununsed songs from them I'd prefer more and that's a conservative estimate. I think we're just starting to reach a point where we're running out of "Quality Guitar Hero/Rock Band" songs for this genre in history.

I agree with AC/DC, but Drain You is one of my favorites from Nirvana and Battery is one of my favorites from Metallica.

Besides, I think it's more important for them to pick songs that would be fun to play rather than the songs that were their top hits. The one I don't like is Man In The Box from Alice In Chains. Maybe one of their best known song, but also one of the most basic. I would think Would?, Again, We Die Young, Dam That River, and a lot of others would be more fun to play.

And, of course, they need to save a lot of the top hits for the DL songs they sell you.

[MJ4H]

Kirby Super Star Ultra for DS
http://e3.nintendo.com/ds/kirby/index.html

[MJ4H]

List of upcoming Wii and DS games, sorted by publisher:

http://wiinintendo.net/2008/07/15/wi...releases-list/

(it's very long or I would post it here)

[MJ4H]

Animal Crossing dated Nov 16th, incidentally.

[Izulde]

I'm absolutely thrilled Luminious Arc is getting a sequel. One of my favorite games ever and one that I think was underrated by a lot of people.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I agree with AC/DC, but Drain You is one of my favorites from Nirvana and Battery is one of my favorites from Metallica.

Besides, I think it's more important for them to pick songs that would be fun to play rather than the songs that were their top hits. The one I don't like is Man In The Box from Alice In Chains. Maybe one of their best known song, but also one of the most basic. I would think Would?, Again, We Die Young, Dam That River, and a lot of others would be more fun to play.

And, of course, they need to save a lot of the top hits for the DL songs they sell you.

I realize that it has to be fun to play. I think it's a theory lost on a lot of people who make "wanted song lists". They forget that a lot of songs would just be boring to play. I can see Battery being a favorite and it's acceptable but there are better choices in my mind. That said, with Metallica, there are a ton of songs that are good GH/RB songs and would be fun to play. They're a phenomenal band and the body of work is huge despite what the last 10 years have done to their popularity.

But, really, Drain You from Nirvana? Seriously? I just don't see it. Heart Shaped Box was a good choice on GH2. Lithium seems like a really obvious next choice in both the "good GH/RB song" and popular categories (assuming Smells Like Teen Spirit is off limits).

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Animal Crossing: City Folk looks good. Wife will love it.
Wii Sports Resort (or whatever it was) looks cool but it sucks it won't be out until Spring.
Wii Music looks dumb, but I might like to see it actually being used instead of the nonsense demo on the stage.
Cool that a GTA game is coming to DS but I'm not interested.
I learned nothing about Spore Creatures I didn't already know.
3rd party games were not up my alley at all, so meh.

More to come for Nintendo probably. At least I hope Wii Music isn't their big finish.

N with a pretty pedestrian showing today- not much out there. Microsoft had the best show with stealing FF13 but hard to beat that for anyone.

SI