Historical Nation Draft Voting

[larrymcg421]

Please vote for the Historical Nation Draft here.

List your top 3, and I'll add up the results using a 5, 3, 1 pt system.

The drafters made their justifications here....Historical Nation Draft Pre-voting thread - Front Office Football Central

The rosters:

Abe Sargent - Abe Sargent - Sir Arthur Lewis, Economist, St. Lucia, 20th
Abe Sargent - Michelangelo, artist, Vatican, pre-20th
Abe Sargent - Miyamoto Musashi, Athelete, Japan, Pre20th
Abe Sargent - Ramses II (aka Ramses the Great aka Ozymandias), Ruler/Leader, Egypt, Pre20th
Abe Sargent - Sigmund Freud, Scientist, Austria, 20th
Abe Sargent - Sydney Opera House, Manmade Structure, Australia, 20th
Abe Sargent - The Nile, Geographical Location, Egypt, 20th
Abe Sargent - Alexander the Great, Army Chief, Greece, pre-20th
Abe Sargent - John Locke, Justice Minister, UK, Pre20th
Abe Sargent - Marco Polo, Chief Diplomat, Italy, Pre-20th
Abe Sargent - Mother Theresa, Civil Rights Activist, Albania, 20th
Abe Sargent - Sergey Korolyov, Air Chief, Ukraine, 20th
Abe Sargent - Siddhartha Buddha, India, Religious Leader, Pre20th
Abe Sargent - Tōgō Heihachirō, Japan, Navy Chief, 20th

Apathetic Lurker - Felix Dzerzinsky, Poland, Justice Minister, 20th C.
Apathetic Lurker - British Isles, Geographic Location, UK, 20th
Apathetic Lurker - Carl Gustaf Mannerheim, Chief Diplomat,
Apathetic Lurker - En Hedu' Anna, Artist, Iraq, pre-20th century
Apathetic Lurker - Ibn al-haytham, Scientist, Iraq, Pre-20th century
Apathetic Lurker - Ibn Khaldoun, Economist, Tunisia, Pre-20th century
Apathetic Lurker - Josef Stalin, Leader/Ruler, Russia, 20th
Apathetic Lurker - Karl Doenitz, Naval Chief, Germany 20th
Apathetic Lurker - Pierre Fredy (Baron de Coubertin), Athlete, France, pre 20th
Apathetic Lurker - Simon Bolivar, Civil Rights, Venezuela, Pre-20th Century
Apathetic Lurker - Sir Arthur Harris, Air Chief, Great Britain, 20th
Apathetic Lurker - Sputnik, Manmade Object, Russia, 20th
Apathetic Lurker - Sun Tzu, Army Chief, China, Pre-20th
Apathetic Lurker - Zarathustra, Religious Leader, Iran, pre 20th

Barkeep - American Heartland, Geographical Locaion, USA, 20th Century
Barkeep - Desmond Tutu, Religious Leader, South Africa, 20th
Barkeep - Diego Rivera Artist Mexico 20th Century
Barkeep - Large Hardon Collider Switzerland 20th Century Manmade Structure
Barkeep - Nadia Elena Comăneci Romania Athlete 20th Century
Barkeep - Sulieman the Magnificent Turkey Ruler/Leader Pre-20th Century
Barkeep - Yi Sun-sin Naval Chief Korea Pre-20th
Barkeep49 - Adam Smith, Economist, Great Britain, Pre-20th
Barkeep49 - Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Civil Rights Activist, Burma, 20th Century
Barkeep49 - Ghengis Khan, Millitary Leader, Mongolia, Pre-20th
Barkeep49 - John Glenn, Air Chief, United States, 20th
Barkeep49 - Marie Curie, Poland, Scientist, 20th Century
Barkeep49 - Moses, Justice Minister, Egypt, Pre-20th
Barkeep49 - Tallyrand, Diplomat, France, Pre-20th Century

Coffee Warlord - Albert Einstein, Scientist, Germany, 20th
Coffee Warlord - Anthony Fokker, Air Chief, Netherlands, 20th Century
Coffee Warlord - Carl Menger, Economist, Poland, 20th
Coffee Warlord - Charlemagne, Leader/Ruler, France, Pre-20th
Coffee Warlord - Erwin Rommel, Army Leader, Germany, Post 20th
Coffee Warlord - Henri Dunant, Civil Rights Leader, Switzerland, 20th Century
Coffee Warlord - Henry Morgan, Navy Chief, Jamaica, Pre-20th
Coffee Warlord - Jesus Christ, Religious Leader, Israel, Pre-20th
Coffee Warlord - Mario Andretti - Athlete, Italy, 20th
Coffee Warlord - Socrates, Justice Minister, Greece, Pre-20th
Coffee Warlord - The Colossus, Manmade Structure, Greece, Pre-20th
Coffee Warlord - The Swiss Alps, Geographic Location, Swizterland, Pre-20t
Coffee Warlord - William Shakespeare, Artist, England, Pre 20th
Coffee Warlord - Yasser Arafat, Diplomat, Egypt, 20th

DaddyTorgo - Alexander "The Russian Bear" Karelin, Athlete, Russia, 20th Century
DaddyTorgo - Geographical Location - Fertile Crescent, Iraq, Pre-20th Century
DaddyTorgo - Hannibal Barca, Army Chief, Tunisia, Pre-20th century
DaddyTorgo - Isaac Newton, Scientist, United Kingdom, Pre-20th Century
DaddyTorgo - Itaipu Dam, Man-made object, Paraguay, 20th Century
DaddyTorgo - Jawaharlal Nehru, Ruler/Leader, India, 20th Century
DaddyTorgo - John Kenneth Galbraith, Economist, United States, 20th
DaddyTorgo - John Marshall, Justice Minister, American, Pre-20th Century
DaddyTorgo - Klemens Wenzel, Prince von Metternich, Chief Diplomat Austria, Pre-20th Century
DaddyTorgo - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, 20th Century
DaddyTorgo - Martin Luther, Religious Leader, Germany, Pre-20th Century
DaddyTorgo - Mordechai Hod, Air Force Leader, Israel, 20th Century
DaddyTorgo - Themistocles, Naval Chief, Greece, Pre-20th century
DaddyTorgo - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Artist, Austria, Pre-20th

Danny - Adolph Hitler, Leader/Ruler - Germany, 20th century
Danny - Alfred Hitchcock, Artist, United States, 20th century
Danny - Amazon Rain Forest, Geographical Location - Brazil, Pre 20th Century
Danny - Aristotle, Scientist, Greece, Pre-20th
Danny - Friedrich Hayek, Economist - Austria, 20th century
Danny - Isoroku Yamamoto, Air Chief, Japan, 20th
Danny - Jean-Jaques Rousseau, Justice Minister - France, Pre 20th century
Danny - Mahatma Ghandi, Civil Rights Leader, India, 20th
Danny - Michiel de Ruyter, Naval Commander - Netherlands, Pre-20th Century
Danny - Muhammad, Religious Leader, Saudi Arabia, pre-20th
Danny - Pope John Paul II, Chief Diplomat, Poland, 20th century
Danny - Tamerlane (Timur), Army Commander - Uzbekistan, Pre 20th Century
Danny - The Colosseum, Man Made Structure - Italy, Pre 20th Century
Danny - Wayne Gretzky, Athlete, Canada, Post 20th century

Galaril - Abraham Lincoln, Leader/Ruler, United States, Pre-20th
Galaril - Arnold Schwarzenegger, Athelete - Austria, 20th century
Galaril - Ben Franklin, Scientist - America, Pre 20th Century
Galaril - Captain Rene Fronck, Air Chief, France, 20th
Galaril - Darius the Great, Iran , Justice Minister, Pre 20th century
Galaril - Dwight D. Eisenhower, Army Chief, United States, 20th
Galaril - John Stuart Mills, Civil Rights Leader, Great Britain, Pre-20th
Galaril - Joseph Schumpeter,Economist, Moria (Czech Rep.)-Post 20th
Galaril - Mikhail Gorbachev, Diplomat, Russia, 20th
Galaril - Pablo Picasso, Artist, Spain 20th
Galaril - Peter I The Great, Naval Commander-Russia, pre-20th century
Galaril - Rocky Mountains-Geographic location (Canada)- 20th Century
Galaril - Saint Patrick, Religious Leader - Ireland(UK), Pre-20th century
Galaril - Statue of Liberty, Manmade Structure, USA, Pre-20th

Izulde - Confucius, Civil Rights Leader, China, Pre-20th Century
Izulde - Galileo Galilei - Scientist - Italy - Pre-20th Century
Izulde - Gerald Gardner - Religious Figure - England - 20th Century
Izulde - Hammurabi, Justice Minister, Iraq, Pre-20th Century
Izulde - Jim Brown, Athlete, United States, 20th
Izulde - Manfred "The Red Baron" von Richthofen, Air Chief, Germany, 20th Century
Izulde - Mt. Everest, Geographic Location, China, 20th Century
Izulde - Otto von Bismarck, Chief Diplomat, Germany, Pre-20th Century
Izulde - Paris Metro - Manmade Structure - France - 20th Century
Izulde - Queen Isabella - Ruler/Leader - Spain - Pre-20th Century
Izulde - Robert de La Salle - Navy Chief - France - Pre-20th Century
Izulde - Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar - Military Chief - Spain - Pre-20th Century
Izulde - Satoru Iwata - Economist - Japan - 20th Century
Izulde - Vladimir Nabokov - Artist - Russia - 20th Century

Lathum - Bono, Chief Diplomat, Ireland, 20th Century
Lathum - Bruno Tonioli- Justice minister- Italy- 20th century
Lathum - Chanakya, Economist, India, pre-20th
Lathum - Facundo Bacardi- Scientist- Cuba- Pre 20th
Lathum - Great Barrier Reef, Geographical Location, Australia- 20th Century
Lathum - Great Wall of China, Manmade structure, China, pre-20th
Lathum - John Paul Jones, Naval Chief, United States, Pre-20th century
Lathum - Leonardo Da Vinci, Artist, Italy, pre-20th
Lathum - Mao Zedung, Leader/Ruler, China, 20th
Lathum - Nelson Mandela, Civil Rights, South Africa, 20th
Lathum - Religous Leader- Joseph Smith- Pre 20th Century, USA?
Lathum - Roger Bannister, Athlete, United Kingdom, 20th
Lathum - William Wallace, Army Chief, Great Britain, Pre-20th
Lathum - Yuri Gagarin, Air Chief, Russia, 20th

Noop - Alonso Pérez de Guzmán - Navy Chief - Spain - pre 20th
Noop - Harriet Tubman - Civil Rights - Canada - 20th
Noop - Imhotep, Scientist, Egypt, Pre-20th
Noop - Internet - Man made Structure - England - 20th Century
Noop - James Joyce, Artist, Ireland, 20th Century
Noop - King David, Leader, Israel, Pre-20th Century
Noop - King Solomon, Justice Minister, Israel, Pre-20th
Noop - Oil Fields of Saudi Arabia, Geographical Location, Saudi Arabia, Pre-20th
Noop - Pele, Athlete, Brazil, 20th Century
Noop - Pierre Elliott Trudeau - Cheif Diplomat - Canada - 20th
Noop - Saint Augustine - Religious Leader - Algeria- Pre20th Century
Noop - Saladin, Army Chief, Egypt, Pre-20th
Noop - Taylor Wang - Air Chief - China - 20th Century
Noop - Xiao Gang - Economist - China - 20th Century

ntndeacon - Alberto Santos, Dumont, Air Chief, Brazil, 20th century
ntndeacon - Andrei Sakarov, Civil Rights Activist, Russia, 20th Century
ntndeacon - Attilla the Hun, Army Chief, Hungary, pre-20th century
ntndeacon - Chi'ang Kai-shek --- Leader/Ruler---Taiwan---20th Century
ntndeacon - Diego Maradona-Athlete-Argentina-20th century
ntndeacon - Great Pryamid at Giza-Man Made Structure, Egypt, pre 20th century
ntndeacon - Guru Nanak Dev--Religious leader--Pakistan--pre 20th century
ntndeacon - Horatio Nelson, Navy Chief, Great Britain, pre-20th century
ntndeacon - Johann Sebastian Bach-Artist-Germany-pre 20th century
ntndeacon - Karl Marx, Economist, Germany, pre-20th
ntndeacon - Niels Bohr-Scientist-Denmark-20th century
ntndeacon - The Andes-Geographical Location-Bolivia-pre 20th century
ntndeacon - Theodore Roosevelt, Chief Diplomat, United States, 20th century
ntndeacon - Tobias Michael Carel Asser, Justice Minister, The Netherlands, 20th century

surtt - Billy Bishop, Air Chief, Canada, 20th Century
Surtt - Charles Ponzi, Economist, Italy, Post-20
surtt - Dalai Lama, Religious Leader, China, Post-20th
Surtt - Ferdinand Magellan, Navy Chief, Portugal, Pre-20
surtt - Julius Cesar, Leader/Ruler, Italy, pre-20th
Surtt - Justinian I, Justice Minister, Turkey, Pre-20
surtt - Lech Walesa, Civil Rights Activist, Poland, 20th Century
surtt - Louis Pasteur, Scientist, France, Pre-20th
surtt - Napoleon Bonaparte, Army Chief, France, pre-20th
Surtt - Panama Canal, Man made Structure, Panama, Post-20th
surtt - Sir Winston Churchill, Diplomat, UK, Post-20
Surtt - Vincent van Gogh, Artist, Netherlands, Pre-20th
Surtt - Vinko Bogataj, Athlete, Slovenia, Post-20
Surtt - Wine producing regions of France, Geographical Location, France, 20th

[DaddyTorgo]

larry - do you want to make a ruling on self-voting before voting starts?

[larrymcg421]

Yeah, I'd say no on self voting.

[jbergey22]

1. Abe Sargent
2. Izulde
3. Coffee Warlord

Abe's nation is solid all the way through IMO. Im not sold on Sir Arthur Lewis as an ecomomist but the rest of picks more than make up for it. I really like the leadership and the military control this nation would have. Everything fits in nicely with his Geographical Location as well. This was the most well thought out nation IMO.

[sabotai]

1. Izulde
2. Barkeep
3. Abe Sargent

[Danny]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

1. Abe Sargent
2. Izulde
3. Coffee Warlord

Abe's nation is solid all the way through IMO. Im not sold on Sir Arthur Lewis as an ecomomist but the rest of picks more than make up for it. I really like the leadership and the military control this nation would have. Everything fits in nicely with his Geographical Location as well. This was the most well thought out nation IMO.

Off my cool list

[Danny]

Originally Posted by sabotai

1. Izulde
2. Barkeep
3. Abe Sargent

Off my cool list

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Danny

Off my cool list

I'm just surprised that I was even on it at some point.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Danny

Off my cool list

Get Hitler out of your nation and things would have been different

[Danny]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Get Hitler out of your nation and things would have been different

I have the other people in place to minimize Hitler's weaknesses while employing his strengths.

[Abe Sargent]

1. Izulde
2. Coffee Warlord
3. Barkeep

[Izulde]

1. Barkeep49
2. Coffee Warlord
3. Abe Sargent

I kept going back and forth between BK and CW for my top pick; they were that close to each other. But in the end, I liked the overall composition of BK's nation slightly better than CW's. Abe had a really good draft as well.

[Butter]

1. DaddyTorgo
2. Izulde
3. Noop

[Coffee Warlord]

1. DaddyTorgo
2. Galaril
3. Izulde

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Danny

I have the other people in place to minimize Hitler's weaknesses while employing his strengths.

I thought your Colliseum pick was underrated and has gone unmentioned and I liked most of what you did. Athough Hitler did have his strengths he is still a cowardly dictator IMO and got where he did by taking advantage of the weak.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I thought your Colliseum pick was underrated and has gone unmentioned and I liked most of what you did. Athough Hitler did have his strengths he is still a cowardly dictator IMO and got where he did by taking advantage of the weak.

Yeah I don't disagree with any of that, and he was an evil man, but he was very charismatic and I was thinking that Ghandi and others could bring out the softer side of him.

[DaddyTorgo]

yay people who have me on their lists!

not sure why i'm experiencing a lack-of-love at this point. I think i'm quite strong.

[Abe Sargent]

Again, thanks to larry for a great draft and a TON of fun!

[Danny]

Indeed, Larry did a great job and it was a lot of fun.

[Izulde]

I'll get on that cheering train.

[DaddyTorgo]

yay larry!!

[Lathum]

Thanks larry!

[Danny]

1. Abe
2. Coffee Warlord
3. Noop

[Danny]

Or if allowed

1. Danny
2. Danny
3. Danny

[Noop]

1. Danny
2. DaddyTorgo
3. Coffee Warlord

[Noop]

I do want to add that this was a tough thing to pick because 4 and 5 could easily be 1-3 the breaking point for me was how functional they would be.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Noop

I do want to add that this was a tough thing to pick because 4 and 5 could easily be 1-3 the breaking point for me was how functional they would be.

Noop is the man!

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Danny

Noop is the man!

LOL. You only say that because I picked you 1st. Great draft.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Noop

I do want to add that this was a tough thing to pick because 4 and 5 could easily be 1-3 the breaking point for me was how functional they would be.

Yeah, a lot of people put together really nice drafts. Makes it difficult to choose.

[Greyroofoo]

1 - Abe Sargent
2 - Coffee Warlord
3 - Galaril

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Yeah, a lot of people put together really nice drafts. Makes it difficult to choose.

I had you and Abe 4th and 5th. It was tough.

[George]

1 - Danny
2 - Abe Sargent
3 - Coffee Warlord

[larrymcg421]

Thanks, guys! This was a fun draft. I'm glad it went over well, and despite some tough judgment calls, we didn't really have any big spats.

I'll set a deadline of Sunday midnight for the voting.

[Apathetic Lurker]

pfft..no one put me on any list...guess some of you will be getting a visit from Iron Felix to discuss your .."unfortunate state of thought"

[ntndeacon]

I am right there with you Apathetic. I did not think my draft was that bad either.

[AENeuman]

1. Abe Sargent
2. Daddy Torgo
3. Noop

Great job by all! The nature of the draft made everyone a very military nation. Which is funny because its sets it up for failure, or at least massive turmoil.

Marco Polo and Locke were my favorite pics of the draft.

[Buccaneer]

Lots of great picks. Here are my rankings:

1. Abe Sargent 93
2. Barkeep 88
3. surtt 86

Coffee Warlord 84
Galaril 81
DaddyTorgo 80
Noop 78
ntdeacon 77
Lathum 73
Danny 72
Izulde 72
Apathetic Lurker 69

Very well done, Abe.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Lots of great picks. Here are my rankings:

1. Abe Sargent 93
2. Barkeep 88
3. surtt 86

Coffee Warlord 84
Galaril 81
DaddyTorgo 80
Noop 78
ntdeacon 77
Lathum 73
Danny 72
Izulde 72
Apathetic Lurker 69

Very well done, Abe.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

yay people who have me on their lists!

not sure why i'm experiencing a lack-of-love at this point. I think i'm quite strong.

You probably need to be more objective, you were nowhere close to Abe, imo.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

You probably need to be more objective, you were nowhere close to Abe, imo.

whatever

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Lots of great picks. Here are my rankings:

1. Abe Sargent 93
2. Barkeep 88
3. surtt 86

Coffee Warlord 84
Galaril 81
DaddyTorgo 80
Noop 78
ntdeacon 77
Lathum 73
Danny 72
Izulde 72
Apathetic Lurker 69

Very well done, Abe.

Pfft...graded by someone too lazy to have played..

[Karlifornia]

1. Surtt
2. Galaril
3. Abe Sargent

EDIT: Pretty good job done by everyone.

[Noop]

I may not always agree with Buccaneer on other topics but I fully acknowledge the man knows his stuff about history.

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker

Pfft...graded by someone too lazy to have played..

gotta stick up for brother bucc, i had you last too...

You created a very good historical replica of North Korea. Unfortunately, I found the other drafted nations more interesting.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by AENeuman

gotta stick up for brother bucc, i had you last too...

You created a very good historical replica of North Korea. Unfortunately, I found the other drafted nations more interesting.

Great, graded last by Alfred E neuman.....go back to your magazine covers....

[Danny]

Despite his poor ranking of my squad I think we have to trust Bucc on this, he may be the only one of us who was alive to actually see most of these people in action.

[Tyrith]

1. Abe Sargent
2. Coffee Warlord
3. Izulde

Surtt's was really good too, but out of the four his was the least painful for me to leave off the list.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker

Great, graded last by Alfred E neuman.....go back to your magazine covers....

And great covers they were!

Noop: Thanks for the compliment.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by Danny

Despite his poor ranking of my squad I think we have to trust Bucc on this, he may be the only one of us who was alive to actually see most of these people in action.

+1

[ColtCrazy]

1. Coffee Warlord
2. Danny Torgo
3. Abe Sargent

I didn't see a bad "nation" Coffee's stuck out because I thought Einstein and Shakespeare are arguably tops in their field and they are surrounded by other impressive names.

Very good job...very interesting to look through it all.