2006 FOFC Hardcore Baseball League (Draft Underway!)

[sterlingice]

This is a continuation of this thread 2006 Yahoo Fantasy Baseball, specifically for the one league.

Current Notes
*Draft underway!
*Draft Spreadsheet: http://www.sunflower.com/~sterlingice/fofcdraft.htm
*Draft board in post #2

I'm thinking of starting the "slow live" draft on Monday with the following rules:
1) You have 24 hours to make your pick. However, try to take less than that as if everyone takes that much time, it will be 3 seasons from now before we finish the complete draft. Try to check every morning and night, particularly if you know your pick is coming up.
2) I will try and maintain a spreadsheet with the picks, making them easier to keep track of and host it on my own site. That will be posted once we start.
3) If you know you're going to be gone and might miss a pick (ie you could pick in any 24 hour period so no "I didn't think the draft would get back to me"), you can either email me a list or designate a proxy in the thread (I nominate "User X" to pick for me). Probably best to use someone not in the league so that there is no potential conflict of interest.
4) If you go 24 hours without a pick, you will get the highest player left on the board on the Yahoo O-Rank at that time, regardless of position, injury status, etc. We have to be unbiased about this automated process. Once the 24 hours are up, either I will post the pick if I'm on or another player may post it as "List Pick" for that team so that we can proceed with the draft. I trust that list picks will be honest unless we have problems (ie "I want the next person on the O-Rank list so I'll say the next person instead in the thread and pick the other guy").
EDIT: 4A) Here's an updated list of the O-Rank that players will be chosen off of if we have to "cpu pick": website. And here are some general notes about it: post.
5) If you miss 2 picks in the draft, you are out and another owner will replace you with your currently drafted team and continue drafting from there.

A couple of notes from another post:

A last couple of things before the draft:
* Draft picks go in this thread.
* There is no trading of picks but you can trade players picked, of course. So, if you want to give up 1.1 and 2.12 for 1.12 and 2.1, you just trade those players who were picked but you have to wait until we finish the draft.
* The clock for the first pick officially starts at 12:01am CT Monday morning. However, if Simms (and anyone else, in order) wants to make their picks, they're free to. However, any pick made before 12:01am will count as a pick made at 12:01 for the purposes of having a late pick. So, if Simms picks at 9:35pm CT and Ramzavail picks at 9:40pm CT but CleBrownsFan doesn't realize we've started early, he still has until 12:01am Tuesday before the list picks for him. This, of course, only counts for the first day- we're just assuming any early picks are at "12:01" so no one gets screwed by us starting early. So, in short, you can start early but we aren't going to penalize anyone for it.

Ok, this was part of the reason for avoiding trades- we've gotten to a pick and now everyone has to wait for a trade rather than picking and moving along. So I guess we do kindof allow trades as there was one earlier in the day despite the "no trades allowed" unless there are objections.

So, here's the deal: if you post about waiting for a trade, you have an hour to complete the trade. You still have your full time to pick (24 hours) but if you're around and posting for a trade, you should be looking for what player to pick not "holding the draft hostage" until you get a deal. You can still always trade players after the draft.

Old News

Check the stat categories, rules, etc. Do we need to change up one of the categories? How about the minimum IPs? Too many bench positions? We gotta figure these things out in the next couple of days *before* the draft.

Everyone who is in the league, post here as a "check in" and if you have some thoughts about the rules, go ahead. We'll debate them for the next couple of days and see what needs to be changed.


Draft Order
1. Name Withheld 9
2. Jockitch 2
3. Dog Pound 10
4. BigMac'sSpecialSauce 5
5. Lawrence Lumber 11
6. Troy Trojans 4
7. Big Raf Machine 7
8. Butch Wynegar 4 HOF 1
9. Fremont Firebirds 3
10. Fat Bastardo's 8
11. Bearcats 6
12. Johnny93g's Jays 12

SI

[sterlingice]

Round 1
1. Alex Rodriguez
2. Albert Pujols
3. Manny Ramirez
4. Vlad Guerrero
5. Johan Santana
6. Mark Teixeira
7. David Wright
8. Derrek Lee
9. David Ortiz
10. Miguel Tejada
11. Miguel Cabrera
12. Roy Halladay

Round 2
1. Carl Crawford
2. Jake Peavy
3. Alfonso Soriano
4. Roy Oswalt
5. Bobby Abreu
6. Michael Young
7. Chris Carpenter
8. Jason Bay
9. Chase Utley
10. Pedro Martinez
11. Dontrelle Willis
12. Carlos Zambrano

Round 3
1. Andruw Jones
2. Jose Reyes
3. Travis Hafner
4. Randy Johnson
5. Todd Helton
6. Gary Sheffield
7. Victor Martinez
8. Ichiro Suzuki
9. Chone Figgins
10. Mark Buehrle
11. Aramis Ramirez
12. Vernon Wells

Round 4
1. Eric Chavez
2. Lance Berkman
3. Carlos Beltran
4. Jason Varitek
5. Mariano Rivera
6. Jeff Kent
7. Morgan Ensberg
8. Joe Mauer
9. Felix Hernandez
10. Derek Jeter
11. Ben Sheets
12. Josh Beckett

Round 5
1. Adam Dunn
2. Hideki Matsui
3. Grady Sizemore
4. Jimmy Rollins
5. Brad Lidge
6. Andy Pettitte
7. Francisco Rodriguez
8. Rich Harden
9. Bartolo Colon
10. Carlos Delgado
11. Joe Nathan
12. Richie Sexson

Round 6
1. Mark Prior
2. Brandon Webb
3. Billy Wagner
4. Jhonny Peralta
5. Marcus Giles
6. B.J. Ryan
7. Johnny Damon
8. Carlos Lee
9. Chipper Jones
10. Paul Konerko
11. Jorge Cantu
12. Felipe Lopez

Round 7
1. Chad Cordero
2. Rafael Furcal
3. Barry Zito
4. Barry "Baroid" Bonds
5. Ryan Howard
6. Eric Gagne
7. Pat Burrell
8. Juan Pierre
9. Randy Winn
10. Scott Rolen
11. Jason Schmidt
12. Huston Street

Round 8
1. Rickie Weeks
2. Brian Giles
3. Tim Hudson
4. Armando Benitez
5. Jason Giambi
6. Jim Thome
7. Scott Podsednik
8. Hank Blalock
9. Matt Holliday
10. Melvin Mora
11. Brett Myers
12. Cliff Floyd

Round 9
1. John Lackey
2. Ken Griffey Jr
3. Trevor Hoffman
4. Troy Glaus
5. Curt Schilling
6. John Smoltz
7. John Patterson
8. Jason Isringhausen
9. Torii Hunter
10. Coco Crisp
11. Dan Haren
12. Bobby Crosby

Round 10
1. Mark Mulder
2. Brian Roberts
3. A.J. Burnett
4. Javy Vazquez
5. Cliff Lee
6. Jim Edmonds
7. Javy Lopez
8. Freddy Garcia
9. C.C. Sabathia
10. Ivan Rodriguez
11. Jon Garland
12. Noah Lowry


Round 11
1. Chad Tracy
2. Scott Kazmir
3. Nomar Garciaparra
4. Derrick Turnbow
5. Magglio Ordonez
6. Tadahito Iguchi
7. Aubrey Huff
8. Francisco Cordero
9. Adrian Beltre
10. Jorge Posada
11. Edgar Renteria
12. Jason Kendall

Round 12
1. Jacque Jones
2. Justin Morneau
3. Keith Foulke
4. Jeff Francouer
5. Doug Davis
6. Matt Cain
7. David Eckstein
8. Eddie Guardado
9. Kenji Johjima
10. Geoff Jenkins
11. Bobby Jenks
12. Zach Duke

Round 13
1. Clint Barmes
2. Kevin Mench
3. Roger Clemens
4. Aaron Harang
5. Matt Clement
6. Benji Molina
7. Ryan Dempster
8. Brad Penny
9. Bob Wickman
10. Jason Lane
11. Jonny Gomes
12. Julio Lugo

Round 14
1. Chris Capuano
2. Robinson Cano
3. Livan Hernandez
4. Matt Morris
5. Garrett Atkins
6. J.D. Drew
7. Kevin Millwood
8. Ramon Hernandez
9. Lyle Overbay
10. Todd Jones
11. Jose Contreras
12. A.J. Pierzynski

Round 15
1. Brian Fuentes
2. Jake Westbrook
3. Ronnie Belliard
4. Tom Gordon
5. Joe Blanton
6. Shawn Green
7. Kerry Wood
8. Bill Hall
9. Josh Towers
10. Moises Alou
11. Ryan Zimmerman
12. Wily Mo Pena

Round 16
1. Mike MacDougal
2. Mike Gonzalez
3. Scot Shields
4. Pedro Feliz
5. Brad Radke
6. Jose Valverde
7. Braden Looper
8. Brad Wilkerson
9. Milton Bradley
10. Mike Mussina
11. Jeremy Bonderman
12. Oliver Perez

Round 17
1. Rocco Baldelli
2. Chris Young
3. Aaron Rowand
4. Derek Lowe
5. Chris Ray
6. Jon Lieber
7. Placido Polanco
8. Jeremy Hermida
9. Jose Vidro
10. Mark Loretta
11. Ervin Santana
12. Craig Biggio

Round 18
1. Greg Maddux
2. Prince Fielder
3. Shea Hillenbrand
4. Esteban Loaiza
5. Carlos Silva
6. Eric Bedard
7. Willie Taveras
8. Dan Johnson
9. Gustavo Chacin
10. Ryan Freel
11. Daniel Cabrera
12. Matt Murton

Round 19
1. Francisco Liriano
2. Preston Wilson
3. Garret Anderson
4. Paul Byrd
5. Kelvim Escobar
6. Mike Sweeney
7. Aaron Heilman
8. Josh Willingham
9. Raul Ibanez
10. Jorge Sosa
11. Hanley Ramirez
12. Nick Swisher

Round 20
1. Jarrod Washburn
2. Justin Verlander
3. Mike Timlin
4. Mike Piazza
5. Brady Clark
6. Jose Guillen
7. Shannon Stewart
8. Chris Reitsma
9. Joe Borowski
10. Jeff Weaver
11. Jermaine Dye
12. Khalil Greene


Round 21
1. Kyle Farnsworth
2. Sean Casey
3. Mark Ellis
4. Nick Johnson
5. Luis Gonzalez
6. Kris Benson
7. Scott Olsen
8. Mike Jacobs
9. Jeromy Burnitz
10. Orlando Cabrera
11. Chad Orvella
12. Delmon Young

Trades
1. Jockitch trades 1.2 (Pujols), 2.11 (Willis), 10.11 (Garland)
Troy Trojans trades 1.6 (Teixeira), 2.7 (Carpenter), 10.7 (Lopez)

2. Hippos trade 2.8 (Bay), 4.8 (Mauer), 7.5 (Howard)
Bearcats trade 3.11 (ARamirez), 4.2 (Berkman), 6.2 (Webb)

3. Hippos trade Blalock, 10.8 (Garcia)
Jockitch trade Furcal, 11.2 (Kazmir)

4. Name Withheld trade 16.13 (Perez), 19.1 (Liriano)
Big Raf Machine trade 17.7 (Polanco), 18.6 (Bedard)

SI

[rkmsuf]

2006 FOFC Softcore Baseball League.


Now that's a league I can get behind.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Everyone who is in the league, post here as a "check in" and if you have some thoughts about the rules, go ahead. We'll debate them for the next couple of days and see what needs to be changed.

SI

Checked in - how will we determin draft order? FYI - I'll play with any rules you'all want to play with. I'm easy

[sterlingice]

Good question- how does random number generator and me rolling a d12 work? There's no nice way to verify if I did it, tho. Is there any other method that people prefer? It's a snake draft so it ends up being fair in the end, but I, like I'm sure most people, prefer some spots to others.

SI

[kingfc22]

Checking in. RNG and dice roll sounds fair enough.

[Johnny93g]

im fine with the setup and the rules, and looking forward to the draft

[sterlingice]

Heck, how about this? I'll roll the order now and post it to a file on my desktop (so it's time stamped). Then everyone in this thread can pick a number as they check in and I'll get the last one. Once everyone has picked a number, I'll post the order to my webpage.

SI

[rafini]

Checking in. Everything looks good to me.


- Big Raf Machine

[IwasHere]

In order for this to be considered a Hardcore league you would need more teams to increase the difficulty of the league.

12 teams for a league where you get both National and American league players seems a little Soft to me.

[Simms]

Name Withheld checking in. Rules are fine. Ready when you are.

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Heck, how about this? I'll roll the order now and post it to a file on my desktop (so it's time stamped). Then everyone in this thread can pick a number as they check in and I'll get the last one. Once everyone has picked a number, I'll post the order to my webpage.

SI

That will be okay with me - As long as I don't have the number 1 pick

[sterlingice]

Want to pick a number as you guys check in?

SI

[Bearcat729]

Bearcats are checking in

I'll take the number 6.

[SnDvls]

if you PM the names list I'll random order them if it helps.

[Simms]

#9

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

if you PM the names list I'll random order them if it helps.

I figure I'll just let everyone pick a number. Since they're ordered on the page, that's the order the teams will be in (i.e. if number 6 is the number on line 1 then Bearcats goes first).

SI

[rafini]

#7

[kingfc22]

Give me #3

[lighthousekeeper]

defending fofc2 yahoo baseball champ BigMac'sSpecialSauce checking in --> #5

fear my cornrows:

[BillyNYC]

Checking in (uh, team Butch Wynegar 4 HOF, for now).

I'll take whatever lowest number is left. Uh...1? If not, then 2? :P

[Sublime 2]

#8
Fat Bastardo's checkin in

[sterlingice]

Ok, numbers in the top post so everyone knows what is left. Only 4 to go.

Any rules chatter? Thoughts?

SI

[CleBrownsfan]

Booo - what is this choosing numbers crap? I guess I'll take the 10th spot... I thought sterlingice was going to come up with a fair way to determine the draft order. Oh well... no biggie.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Booo - what is this choosing numbers crap? I guess I'll take the 10th spot... I thought sterlingice was going to come up with a fair way to determine the draft order. Oh well... no biggie.

That is what is happening- it is random, tho I guess I didn't explain it very well. I have a list of numbers 1-12 in random order that I rolled up yesterday afternoon and whereever your number is, that's where you pick (so, if the #10 was first, you'll pick first, if it's last, you pick last, and anywhere between, well, you get the idea).

SI

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

That is what is happening- it is random, tho I guess I didn't explain it very well. I have a list of numbers 1-12 in random order that I rolled up yesterday afternoon and whereever your number is, that's where you pick (so, if the #10 was first, you'll pick first, if it's last, you pick last, and anywhere between, well, you get the idea).

SI

Ooooooh - okay... I'm a little slow this morning

[Johnny93g]

ill take 12

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Ooooooh - okay... I'm a little slow this morning

Don't worry, I'm a little slow every morning

SI

[Ramzavail]

bah the league is full, i wanted in this biznatch.

[lighthousekeeper]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

bah the league is full, i wanted in this biznatch.

I'm selling my spot for $10.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

bah the league is full, i wanted in this biznatch.

Well, still waiting on two teams to check in:
Troy Trojans
It's All Over

Check in by Saturday so we can get things sorted out and ready to go by Monday. If they haven't checked in by, let's say 6pm CT Saturday, we have an opening or two.

SI

[sterlingice]

Bump...

SI

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Well, still waiting on two teams to check in:
Troy Trojans
It's All Over

Check in by Saturday so we can get things sorted out and ready to go by Monday. If they haven't checked in by, let's say 6pm CT Saturday, we have an opening or two.

SI

PM me saturday night then, ill be all over this like Anna Benson on Peter Angelos

[vtbub]

Ditto

[MizzouRah]

Missed this, I'll take #4.

Troy Trojans

[sterlingice]

Ok, if the other team doesn't check in, he gets booted and I'll PM Ramzavail. If anyone else decides they want to drop out or if he doesn't PM back by Sunday night, the spot is bub's.

Keep in mind- you have to pretty much check the draft at least twice a day and these usually take 3-4 weeks. If you're not willing to do that, please get out now- we don't need a bunch of people who will be "Oh, that guy, we're waiting on him again".

Also, I don't suppose everyone has some form of IM so we can keep in touch quicker?

SI

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Ok, if the other team doesn't check in, he gets booted and I'll PM Ramzavail. If anyone else decides they want to drop out or if he doesn't PM back by Sunday night, the spot is bub's.

Keep in mind- you have to pretty much check the draft at least twice a day and these usually take 3-4 weeks. If you're not willing to do that, please get out now- we don't need a bunch of people who will be "Oh, that guy, we're waiting on him again".

Also, I don't suppose everyone has some form of IM so we can keep in touch quicker?

SI

AOL IM (Mizzourah71)

[Ramzavail]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Ok, if the other team doesn't check in, he gets booted and I'll PM Ramzavail. If anyone else decides they want to drop out or if he doesn't PM back by Sunday night, the spot is bub's.

Keep in mind- you have to pretty much check the draft at least twice a day and these usually take 3-4 weeks. If you're not willing to do that, please get out now- we don't need a bunch of people who will be "Oh, that guy, we're waiting on him again".

Also, I don't suppose everyone has some form of IM so we can keep in touch quicker?

SI

IM - Ramzavail, on mostly at work - which is when I will do most of the draft since I'm always at work.

waiting for PM.

[BillyNYC]

AOLIM: Billynyccu

I'm around early AM and evenings; can check email during lunch if need be most days.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

IM - Ramzavail, on mostly at work - which is when I will do most of the draft since I'm always at work.

waiting for PM.

Still about 30 minutes left- I won't be watching the clock too closely but I'll try to get one to you in the next hour after that, provided I don't hear anything.

Also, you get to decide 2 or 11 for your number, provided you get a slot. Then I'll get the last one and post the draft order.

SI

[Ramzavail]

I'm in, Jockitch. Thanks.

I'll take #2.

[sterlingice]

I renamed to the Lawrence Lumber- used that last year and had a nice ring to it. Plus, I have a Houston team in each league so I didn't want to have any confusion. I guess that gives me #11.

SI

[sterlingice]

Here's the draft order:

9
2
10
5
11
4
7
1
3
8
6
12

It's been posted to:
http://www.sunflower.com/~sterlingice/draft.txt
And somehow has a 2/19 date stamp despite my computer only being 2/18 today and it being rolled up a couple of days ago...

Ok, anyways, so that means the draft order is as follows- remember, it's a snake draft for fairness (the number after was the number picked):
1. Name Withheld 9
2. Jockitch 2
3. Dog Pound 10
4. BigMac'sSpecialSauce 5
5. Lawrence Lumber 11
6. Troy Trojans 4
7. Big Raf Machine 7
8. Butch Wynegar 4 HOF 1
9. Fremont Firebirds 3
10. Fat Bastardo's 8
11. Bearcats 6
12. Johnny93g's Jays 12

I'm heading off to go eat but start thinking about your draft picks. The draft starts Monday at 12:01am.

Any last minute rule changes or people who want to drop out?

SI

[Simms]

Crap.

[sterlingice]

I dunno, I like picking at 1. I prefer 12 and 11 most but after that, I prefer 1. I like having the double picks. Easier to plan for in my mind.

SI

[sterlingice]

Ok, whipped up a little spreadsheet where all I have to do is enter a player and position and everything else automatically updates. I'll try to update as fast as I can during the draft. BTW, if a player has more than one position, I'll just put the one he "best" fits at- it's not as if he is limited to just the one position but I didn't want to do the extra work on the spreadsheet to allow for multiple positions.

The link is in the top post.

Again, any last minute thoughts on the rules? Should we go RF, CF, LF rather than 3 OF? Change the stat categories? Put squirrels in the pants of the 12th place finisher?

SI

[Ramzavail]

RF,CF,LF is hardcore, I like that.


Edit: How about a cap on waiver moves? It's more difficult to worry about a cap then it is to make daily transactions every day.

[MizzouRah]

Personally, I just like 3 OF's.

I prefer pick #12 myself or #1, but middle of the pack should be interesting.

[Simms]

Separate OFs is hardcore, yes, but there is a very uneven distribution of talent across the three positions, and injuries can fuck you hard. From experience, I *hate* LF/CF/RF and would much prefer to go with 3 OFs. But I'm in no matter what, so if mine is the minority opinion, so be it.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Simms

Separate OFs is hardcore, yes, but there is a very uneven distribution of talent across the three positions, and injuries can fuck you hard. From experience, I *hate* LF/CF/RF and would much prefer to go with 3 OFs. But I'm in no matter what, so if mine is the minority opinion, so be it.

Well, I kindof like that aspect of it. It keeps people from just sitting back and grabbing super OFs in the 3rd, 4th, 5th round after all the talent from other positions is off the table because of a dearth of talent. Basically, gives some positional scarcity to the outfield, too (particularly CF), so the first two rounds aren't just elite pitchers and positional scarcity guys.

That said, so far there have only been a couple of people to chime in. I'd be curious to see what others think before making any rule change.

SI