NHL EHM Beta Demo available

Marc Vaughan · 05-27-2004, 06:02 AM

Now up on sigames.com .... if anyones interested in grabbing a download?

Ragone · 05-27-2004, 06:04 AM

I believe the appropiate phrase is..

I"m on it like white on rice?

Ryan S · 05-27-2004, 06:04 AM

Any chance of an http mirror today?

Marc Vaughan · 05-27-2004, 06:08 AM

Mirrors will undoubtably pop up as people download it and circulate it amongst themselves, we've only got a 2Mb pipe at SI so we can't really host it for download here ourselves I'm afraid ...

Ragone · 05-27-2004, 06:10 AM

Only problem is Marc.. i'm using bittorent.. and i'm sharing probably with the european people who are downloading.. its making my transfer incredibally bad. oh well

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 06:11 AM

I'm gambling on not getting caught by the network security guys here at work by attempting this BitTorrent download. Come on, baby, download fast.

Ragone · 05-27-2004, 06:12 AM

uh i'd be careful.. it sends a TON of data outward tekneek.. i had to use this to download the world of warcraft beta.. and it sent out over 6 gigs of data on a 2 gig download..

Ragone · 05-27-2004, 06:37 AM

30 seconds in and i already have a problem..

you have mike milbury rated as very good.. wtf?

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 07:09 AM

I got it downloaded and turned off before most people made it into the office. Hopefully things will be alright. Nobody has come by asking questions...yet.

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 07:10 AM

There are numerous data issues with the non-NHL clubs in the US. I'd like to ignore them and assume they will fix it all before release, but I can remember data issues with the lower league clubs in CM that were there even on release day.

RPI-Fan · 05-27-2004, 07:13 AM

Alright... got this thing downloading - let's hope it's ready to go when I get back from work at 5pm EDT! Ugh.... today will be so long.

ice4277 · 05-27-2004, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tekneek

There are numerous data issues with the non-NHL clubs in the US. I'd like to ignore them and assume they will fix it all before release, but I can remember data issues with the lower league clubs in CM that were there even on release day.

What kind of issues? Incorrect players on teams?

RPI-Fan · 05-27-2004, 07:17 AM

By the way - can people please post detailed accounts of the game so schmucks like me can entertain ourselves at work?

MizzouRah · 05-27-2004, 07:17 AM

What's all this client install, then d/l stuff? Arghh.. I'll wait for someone to host the file. I should probably wait until the weekend is over anyhow or nothing will get done.

Todd

ice4277 · 05-27-2004, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

By the way - can people please post detailed accounts of the game so schmucks like me can entertain ourselves at work?

I usually keep myself entertained at work by locking myself in the supply room for ten minutes with the lights out, then.........well, to each his own, I guess.

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ice4277

What kind of issues? Incorrect players on teams?

A little of that. Mostly the positions are totally wrong. I looked at my local ECHL team, and they have one goalie listed. The other two goalies are listed as defensemen (one of the goalies was released by mid-season, and the other was actually up with the Blackhawks most of the second half of the season). 6 position players have their positions wrong (forwards listed as defensemen, or defensemen listed as forwards).

I decided to play as Edmonton and they have one of our goalies in Toronto (Roadrunners) listed as a defenseman.

I've glanced around and mostly it is position issues that I have noticed immediately on all the lower league clubs I have looked at. So far, SI says they don't want to hear about database problems...so we just have to hope they have either (1) cleaned it all up already or (2) will get to that over the next month. The problems are such that release with this buggered DB will seriously impact the gameplay for me. I'm sure it will be fixed, and hopefully by release.

MizzouRah · 05-27-2004, 07:25 AM

Isn't the demo a 4 week old build?

Todd

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ice4277

I usually keep myself entertained at work by locking myself in the supply room for ten minutes with the lights out, then.........well, to each his own, I guess.

Hahah. My side of the building faces a hotel next door, and well, some people like to leave the curtains pulled regardless of what they are doing in there... I've heard some stories...

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Isn't the demo a 4 week old build?

Todd

Yeah. I suppose it just irks me that such obvious DB problems were even present 4 weeks ago. I'm sure it will be repaired, one way or another.

Aside from those, everything seems cool. The interface/menus are so different that I know I must be neglecting some things with the team.

GrantDawg · 05-27-2004, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

What's all this client install, then d/l stuff? Arghh.. I'll wait for someone to host the file. I should probably wait until the weekend is over anyhow or nothing will get done.

Todd

With ya. I can't get this to work.

sachmo71 · 05-27-2004, 08:13 AM

That databases have been updated since the demo was created. All should be well for the release.

I'm interested to hear impressions of the demo! I guess that means I can finally share mine!!

Scholes · 05-27-2004, 08:29 AM

I have to run to work now but quickly set some tactics and played my first exhibition game with the Wild against the Coyotes.

Tied 2-2 with Gaborik scoring with a minute left after I pulled the goalie.

The interface is a bit confusing, only because I'm used to Champ Man... I'll get used to it. The screen is real small in 1024x768 mode, doesn't take up the whole screen. In 800x600 it's huge.

I took a quick look at the Gophers and it looks like they have all the players' attributes right (height, weight, skill level, country) just with different names on the players. I'm sure this is a NCAA thing, just like football.

The game stats for the first game turned out about right for a game with the Wild and Coyotes, low shots, good goaltending f/ Boucher and Roloson. I had around 24 shots on goal to their 18, I had my 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines playing defensively, just like the Wild do. I didn't pay a ton of attention though, because I have to leave, but just a quick impression.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-27-2004, 08:43 AM

I will be downloading this Friday night/Saturday morning. Quick question, does the Beta allow you to go through the NHL draft?

scooter · 05-27-2004, 09:00 AM

According to SI, the reason for some of the weird positions that players have is because if nothing is inputted into the database, the game generates a random position. What it probably means is that the researcher assigned to those ECHL teams didn't get all the information in. Hopefully the database can be sorted out before the final game is released.

Anyone found an http mirror site yet? (I'm a little leary of this Bittorent thing)

Karim · 05-27-2004, 09:00 AM

Just did a glance through....

The Pengrowth Saddledome is listed as the Calgary Dome with a capacity of only a little over 17k... Isn't anyone watching the playoffs?

Regehr's contract information is wrong as he's signed a five year deal with Calgary in the off-season. Still, I tried to offer him a contract and the board said I could only offer him $7,000/year. I understand board restrictions but that's not even a reasonable suggestion...

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 09:04 AM

You might be able to do the draft after the season, but you start in September so you don't get to do a draft in the beginning.

SirFozzie · 05-27-2004, 09:06 AM

If someone can get me a copy, I can host it on FOFC-FBCB.com (FOR US FOFCers ONLY, I don't have the bandwidth for it to be a public mirror)

Ksyrup · 05-27-2004, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter

Anyone found an http mirror site yet? (I'm a little leary of this Bittorent thing)

I use BitTorrent for downloading bootlegs. I've never had a problem. It's considered standard gear for bootleggers, actually.

Marc Vaughan · 05-27-2004, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tekneek

Yeah. I suppose it just irks me that such obvious DB problems were even present 4 weeks ago. I'm sure it will be repaired, one way or another.

Aside from those, everything seems cool. The interface/menus are so different that I know I must be neglecting some things with the team.

The database is being continually updated by researchers and most of the errors should have been corrected by now - in case we've missed any we have opened a 'data bugs' forum on the sigames forums for these things .... any assistance which you might give would obviously be appreciated.

Marc Vaughan · 05-27-2004, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

You might be able to do the draft after the season, but you start in September so you don't get to do a draft in the beginning.

You should be able to do the draft - one of the reasons for the demo end date is simply so you can get to see the main features of the game in operation (of which the draft is obviously one).

Honolulu_Blue · 05-27-2004, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karim

Just did a glance through....

The Pengrowth Saddledome is listed as the Calgary Dome with a capacity of only a little over 17k... Isn't anyone watching the playoffs?

Regehr's contract information is wrong as he's signed a five year deal with Calgary in the off-season. Still, I tried to offer him a contract and the board said I could only offer him $7,000/year. I understand board restrictions but that's not even a reasonable suggestion...

Wow. $7,000/year? That's 3x's below the poverty level, I think.

Karim · 05-27-2004, 09:20 AM

Well, there are things that are so obvious that it's surprising they were missed. How could the person doing the Flames research get all the jersey numbers wrong? Iginla as #21? Or having both Regehr and Leopold as Left Defencemen? They've been defence partners all year. Or not know the birthplace of the Sutters... only 6 of which have played in the NHL...

I'm going to bite my tongue until I see what's been corrected for the final release before I start to flood the data bugs forum...

Maple Leafs · 05-27-2004, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Karim

Well, there are things that are so obvious that it's surprising they were missed. How could the person doing the Flames research get all the jersey numbers wrong? Iginla as #21? Or having both Regehr and Leopold as Left Defencemen? They've been defence partners all year. Or not know the birthplace of the Sutters... only 6 of which have played in the NHL...

Just curious, bit are "left/right" defencemen really needed in hockey games? I realize most games have them, but I've never heard a real-life player described as a left defenceman. Sure, they may play a certain side for most of the year, but the distinction isn't as important as LW/RW unless I'm really missing something.

scooter · 05-27-2004, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karim

Well, there are things that are so obvious that it's surprising they were missed. How could the person doing the Flames research get all the jersey numbers wrong? Iginla as #21? Or having both Regehr and Leopold as Left Defencemen? They've been defence partners all year. Or not know the birthplace of the Sutters... only 6 of which have played in the NHL...

I'm going to bite my tongue until I see what's been corrected for the final release before I start to flood the data bugs forum...

Once again, if you leave the field blank in the database, the game generates it's own values (player positions, jersey numbers, etc.). The database just needs more info added. Be patient or report it in the data forum at SI and they can tell you if it's been changed.

Karim · 05-27-2004, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Just curious, bit are "left/right" defencemen really needed in hockey games? I realize most games have them, but I've never heard a real-life player described as a left defenceman. Sure, they may play a certain side for most of the year, but the distinction isn't as important as LW/RW unless I'm really missing something.

I think it goes hand in hand with their shooting hand. Sure you have right handed shots manning the left boards but it makes it more difficult to keep the puck in the offensive zone or clear the defensive zone. So I guess when a guy establishes himself as playing the right side he becomes a "RD".

It really depends on how grognard you want to become. I remember posting a question asking about the difference between a LG and RG in football and someone replied about the differences in footwork, lateral movement, strength, tactics, etc.

It's all about perspective.

Honolulu_Blue · 05-27-2004, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Just curious, bit are "left/right" defencemen really needed in hockey games? I realize most games have them, but I've never heard a real-life player described as a left defenceman. Sure, they may play a certain side for most of the year, but the distinction isn't as important as LW/RW unless I'm really missing something.

I've never liked this distinction either. It never made all that much sense to me. I imagine that, in the game, it wont make all that much difference if you have a "left defenseman" play on the right. I can't imagine too much of an impact. They have the same thing for strat-o-matic hockey, but we always ignored it.

MJ4H · 05-27-2004, 09:36 AM

In the play-by-play when my team got a penalty, the penalty was announced even though the play kept going (it was a delayed penalty). It said that will be a 5 minute major for cross-checking, then the play continued until possession changed. I guess that should be changed, unless I am confused.

Karim · 05-27-2004, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter

Once again, if you leave the field blank in the database, the game generates it's own values (player positions, jersey numbers, etc.). The database just needs more info added. Be patient or report it in the data forum at SI and they can tell you if it's been changed.

Will do. I'll wait to see the final product before commenting further on data issues.

Karim · 05-27-2004, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman

In the play-by-play when my team got a penalty, the penalty was announced even though the play kept going (it was a delayed penalty). It said that will be a 5 minute major for cross-checking, then the play continued until possession changed. I guess that should be changed, unless I am confused.

That's sounds correct unless your team was in possession throughout the delay.

Danny · 05-27-2004, 09:37 AM

I'm an idiot, in the few minutes I had to run he demo this morning, I couldn't even find where to simulate a game

Karim · 05-27-2004, 09:38 AM

Anyone having problems exiting? My exit button is ghosted but when I click on the X I get a window asking me to use the menu button. I don't see any other way of exiting.

Maple Leafs · 05-27-2004, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Karim

That's sounds correct unless your team was in possession throughout the delay.

But they wouldn't know it was a five-minute penalty until the play stopped.

Easy Mac · 05-27-2004, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karim

Anyone having problems exiting? My exit button is ghosted but when I click on the X I get a window asking me to use the menu button. I don't see any other way of exiting.

You have to be on certain screens to use the button. You can't be in the tactics screen, and maybe a few others.

MJ4H · 05-27-2004, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

But they wouldn't know it was a five-minute penalty until the play stopped.

Bingo.

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

The database is being continually updated by researchers and most of the errors should have been corrected by now - in case we've missed any we have opened a 'data bugs' forum on the sigames forums for these things .... any assistance which you might give would obviously be appreciated.

I saw that new forum when I went back. I made some contributions and will scour it looking for more that I don't see reported...just to try and help it be the best that it can be.

From a playing perspective, everything is excellent except fights seem down.

Joe Canadian · 05-27-2004, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Wow. $7,000/year? That's 3x's below the poverty level, I think.

Tried to sign Belfour to an extension... and the board would only allow me to pay him $10,000 US????

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karim

Well, there are things that are so obvious that it's surprising they were missed. How could the person doing the Flames research get all the jersey numbers wrong? Iginla as #21? Or having both Regehr and Leopold as Left Defencemen? They've been defence partners all year. Or not know the birthplace of the Sutters... only 6 of which have played in the NHL...

You decide what their numbers are. Try giving them the numbers you think they should have, and see if they get them...

As far as birthplace and positions go, make the proper post over in their DB problems forum. That will get the best result. It's what I did once I knew it existed.

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I've never liked this distinction either. It never made all that much sense to me. I imagine that, in the game, it wont make all that much difference if you have a "left defenseman" play on the right. I can't imagine too much of an impact. They have the same thing for strat-o-matic hockey, but we always ignored it.

Sometimes it does. I've seen defensemen who are obviously better on one side than the other, depending on whether they shoot right or left handed, as well as their positioning.

Tekneek · 05-27-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

Tried to sign Belfour to an extension... and the board would only allow me to pay him $10,000 US????

Heheh. Did Belfour start destroying the training facility after that one?

sachmo71 · 05-27-2004, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Canadian

Tried to sign Belfour to an extension... and the board would only allow me to pay him $10,000 US????

Just get him drunk and tell him you'll give him a billion dollars.

05-27-2004, 06:11 AM	#6
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	I'm gambling on not getting caught by the network security guys here at work by attempting this BitTorrent download. Come on, baby, download fast. Last edited by Tekneek : 05-27-2004 at 06:11 AM.

05-27-2004, 06:37 AM	#8
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	30 seconds in and i already have a problem.. you have mike milbury rated as very good.. wtf? Last edited by Ragone : 05-27-2004 at 06:48 AM.

05-27-2004, 07:10 AM	#10
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	There are numerous data issues with the non-NHL clubs in the US. I'd like to ignore them and assume they will fix it all before release, but I can remember data issues with the lower league clubs in CM that were there even on release day. Last edited by Tekneek : 05-27-2004 at 07:11 AM.

05-27-2004, 07:13 AM	#11
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Alright... got this thing downloading - let's hope it's ready to go when I get back from work at 5pm EDT! Ugh.... today will be so long. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

05-27-2004, 07:17 AM	#13
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	By the way - can people please post detailed accounts of the game so schmucks like me can entertain ourselves at work? __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

05-27-2004, 06:04 AM	#2
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	I believe the appropiate phrase is.. I"m on it like white on rice?

05-27-2004, 06:04 AM	#3
Ryan S Quarterback Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London, England	Any chance of an http mirror today?

05-27-2004, 06:08 AM	#4
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	Mirrors will undoubtably pop up as people download it and circulate it amongst themselves, we've only got a 2Mb pipe at SI so we can't really host it for download here ourselves I'm afraid ...

05-27-2004, 06:10 AM	#5
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	Only problem is Marc.. i'm using bittorent.. and i'm sharing probably with the european people who are downloading.. its making my transfer incredibally bad. oh well

05-27-2004, 06:12 AM	#7
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	uh i'd be careful.. it sends a TON of data outward tekneek.. i had to use this to download the world of warcraft beta.. and it sent out over 6 gigs of data on a 2 gig download..

05-27-2004, 07:09 AM	#9
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	I got it downloaded and turned off before most people made it into the office. Hopefully things will be alright. Nobody has come by asking questions...yet.

05-27-2004, 07:17 AM	#14
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	What's all this client install, then d/l stuff? Arghh.. I'll wait for someone to host the file. I should probably wait until the weekend is over anyhow or nothing will get done. Todd

05-27-2004, 07:25 AM	#17
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Isn't the demo a 4 week old build? Todd

05-27-2004, 08:13 AM	#21
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	That databases have been updated since the demo was created. All should be well for the release. I'm interested to hear impressions of the demo! I guess that means I can finally share mine!!

05-27-2004, 08:29 AM	#22
Scholes High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN	I have to run to work now but quickly set some tactics and played my first exhibition game with the Wild against the Coyotes. Tied 2-2 with Gaborik scoring with a minute left after I pulled the goalie. The interface is a bit confusing, only because I'm used to Champ Man... I'll get used to it. The screen is real small in 1024x768 mode, doesn't take up the whole screen. In 800x600 it's huge. I took a quick look at the Gophers and it looks like they have all the players' attributes right (height, weight, skill level, country) just with different names on the players. I'm sure this is a NCAA thing, just like football. The game stats for the first game turned out about right for a game with the Wild and Coyotes, low shots, good goaltending f/ Boucher and Roloson. I had around 24 shots on goal to their 18, I had my 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines playing defensively, just like the Wild do. I didn't pay a ton of attention though, because I have to leave, but just a quick impression.

05-27-2004, 08:43 AM	#23
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	I will be downloading this Friday night/Saturday morning. Quick question, does the Beta allow you to go through the NHL draft?

05-27-2004, 09:00 AM	#24
scooter High School Varsity Join Date: May 2004 Location: Camano Island, WA	According to SI, the reason for some of the weird positions that players have is because if nothing is inputted into the database, the game generates a random position. What it probably means is that the researcher assigned to those ECHL teams didn't get all the information in. Hopefully the database can be sorted out before the final game is released. Anyone found an http mirror site yet? (I'm a little leary of this Bittorent thing)

05-27-2004, 09:00 AM	#25
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	Just did a glance through.... The Pengrowth Saddledome is listed as the Calgary Dome with a capacity of only a little over 17k... Isn't anyone watching the playoffs? Regehr's contract information is wrong as he's signed a five year deal with Calgary in the off-season. Still, I tried to offer him a contract and the board said I could only offer him $7,000/year. I understand board restrictions but that's not even a reasonable suggestion...

05-27-2004, 09:04 AM	#26
Tekneek Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: USA	You might be able to do the draft after the season, but you start in September so you don't get to do a draft in the beginning.

05-27-2004, 09:06 AM	#27
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	If someone can get me a copy, I can host it on FOFC-FBCB.com (FOR US FOFCers ONLY, I don't have the bandwidth for it to be a public mirror) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

05-27-2004, 09:20 AM	#32
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	Well, there are things that are so obvious that it's surprising they were missed. How could the person doing the Flames research get all the jersey numbers wrong? Iginla as #21? Or having both Regehr and Leopold as Left Defencemen? They've been defence partners all year. Or not know the birthplace of the Sutters... only 6 of which have played in the NHL... I'm going to bite my tongue until I see what's been corrected for the final release before I start to flood the data bugs forum...

05-27-2004, 09:36 AM	#37
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	In the play-by-play when my team got a penalty, the penalty was announced even though the play kept going (it was a delayed penalty). It said that will be a 5 minute major for cross-checking, then the play continued until possession changed. I guess that should be changed, unless I am confused. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

05-27-2004, 09:37 AM	#40
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm an idiot, in the few minutes I had to run he demo this morning, I couldn't even find where to simulate a game

05-27-2004, 09:38 AM	#41
Karim College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Calgary	Anyone having problems exiting? My exit button is ghosted but when I click on the X I get a window asking me to use the menu button. I don't see any other way of exiting.

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