Crazy wierd thing with rookie contracts...anyone ever seen this?

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:31 PM

Okay, something funky has come up in my league and I want to know if anyone has ever heard of this - either it being a known hack in the game or something that a player in my league is doing blatantly or what. You draft your rookies, it comes time to sign them...when I looked at the transaction log after Late FA, I noticed that this team has no "signed his rookie contract"'s. Quite odd, I found his one rookie he had (3rd overall pick) had "signed a renegotiated contract". Around $15mil over 5 years, MUCH lower than his asking price, contract had minimum salary and little bonus. The 6th overall guy had a much higher contract as well. Went back to last year's file (since this was the only one I could see) and the same team did the same thing with ALL rookies, not one of them signed a rookie contract, they all had renegotitated contracts for much lower then they should have been.

Has anyone ever seen this sort of thing happen?

stevew · 10-11-2005, 08:33 PM

Screenshots?

I'd think the owner is probably cheating.

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:33 PM

That is what I think too, although I don't want to admit it, heh.

MizzouRah · 10-11-2005, 08:35 PM

Didn't even read it was multiplayer.. yes indeed a bit of cheating I presume.

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:38 PM

How would I post a decent screen shot in here?

Dutch · 10-11-2005, 08:38 PM

It's only cheating if it's even possible to cheat. How the heck did the owner do that?

RailsFS · 10-11-2005, 08:39 PM

Hopefully, we find out.

Masked · 10-11-2005, 08:41 PM

My guess is they cut the player, and then resigned them in the same export to whatever their new demands were. As a result, the rookie never appeared in the FA pool.

That owner should be immediately kicked out of the league.

stevew · 10-11-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Masked

My guess is they cut the player, and then resigned them in the same export to whatever their new demands were. As a result, the rookie never appeared in the FA pool.

That owner should be immediately kicked out of the league.

Oh, yeah, good idea there masked, and yeah, boot the dude immediately if they did that.

gottimd · 10-11-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Masked

My guess is they cut the player, and then resigned them in the same export to whatever their new demands were. As a result, the rookie never appeared in the FA pool.

That owner should be immediately kicked out of the league.

If you cut them doesnt the "past injustices" factor come into play and wouldnt other GMs have a chance to make an offer? Unless you are referring to the FastFL where the guy could drop him, and then he appears in the FA pool so no one will see him because you sim a lot of weeks at a time. SO they would be the only owner with an offer on him since no one else even knew he was a FA.

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:47 PM

This is the FastFL, but even if we sim a few weeks at a time, a computer team is bound to see that player, not only that but we would noticed if he were released and picked up again. No where on the transaction log does it say that player was released. It's like the player is simming it with commish mode or something wierd like that and exporting that file, I don't know...

RailsFS · 10-11-2005, 08:48 PM

I'm Detroit, so that's what it's highlighted, but take a look at top contracts and see if you can pick the winner.

Dutch · 10-11-2005, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

If you cut them doesnt the "past injustices" factor come into play and wouldnt other GMs have a chance to make an offer? Unless you are referring to the FastFL where the guy could drop him, and then he appears in the FA pool so no one will see him because you sim a lot of weeks at a time. SO they would be the only owner with an offer on him since no one else even knew he was a FA.

You got skillz, boy. You could be in a football text sim gang. That's got to be the answer right there or really close to it anyway.

gottimd · 10-11-2005, 08:51 PM

Even if he was simming in commish mode, which I am not sure is possible, wouldnt you still see that transaction?

stevew · 10-11-2005, 08:51 PM

Cut them in commish mode. Save the game. Open in Regular mode, offer the guy the contract, and then export. I think it works then. Wow, thats a helluva cheat there.

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:52 PM

That is what I thought too, any release of a player is noted.

Masked · 10-11-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

If you cut them doesnt the "past injustices" factor come into play and wouldnt other GMs have a chance to make an offer? Unless you are referring to the FastFL where the guy could drop him, and then he appears in the FA pool so no one will see him because you sim a lot of weeks at a time. SO they would be the only owner with an offer on him since no one else even knew he was a FA.

No - at least not in MP. I noticed I could do this in the CFL this past offseason with a second round pick. The pick, a left tackle, busted slightly. Still a useful player but not quite worth the money. I cut him, and noticed that he was now willing to accept a much lower salary. I did not resign him though.

gottimd · 10-11-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RailsFS

What does this show us?

EDIT: I thought the player highlighted was the player in question.

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:54 PM

In Rails screenshot, look at the third overall pick. That is NOT a rookie contract that he signed.

gottimd · 10-11-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Cut them in commish mode. Save the game. Open in Regular mode, offer the guy the contract, and then export. I think it works then. Wow, thats a helluva cheat there.

But wouldnt the game still recognize that in the transactions as "Player Released"?

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:54 PM

He is going to get a shot of the transaction log to prove that too.

stevew · 10-11-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

But wouldnt the game still recognize that in the transactions as "Player Released"?

No cause what you would have done is released him in a fictional commish mode, and then saved, hiding the evidence. Then you would sign him in export mode, but since it was still in the same stage as the league files, the export would work.

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

What does this show us?

EDIT: I thought the player highlighted was the player in question.

Nope, sorry, Rails is Detroit

It also shows that the CB I drafted is a dick, haha.

gottimd · 10-11-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

No cause what you would have done is released him in a fictional commish mode, and then saved, hiding the evidence. Then you would sign him in export mode, but since it was still in the same stage as the league files, the export would work.

To run commish mode, don't you need specific Commish files? I mean you cant just press "Commissioner" instead of "Participant".

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:58 PM

You just need the .fmk file, that simply tells FOF that you can run in commish mode, you need nothing special.

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 08:58 PM

I think that .fmk saves a few settings too, not quite sure on that.

gottimd · 10-11-2005, 09:00 PM

Well then the Denver Owner is pretty sneaky sis and should get the boot, and some sort of patch is needed to fix that or this whole thread deleted so this doesn't get out or everyone will have to examine these rookie contracts.

MTD · 10-11-2005, 09:01 PM

Why is the last name not capitalized? ladevaia? Is a specific draft being used?

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 09:02 PM

Nope, imported TCY draft. And his last name starts with an "I", not an "L"

timmynausea · 10-11-2005, 09:02 PM

It's an I.

RailsFS · 10-11-2005, 09:02 PM

Notice the "signed his rookie contract."

Seems like Iadevaia is missing something

stevew · 10-11-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

To run commish mode, don't you need specific Commish files? I mean you cant just press "Commissioner" instead of "Participant".

Actually its pretty easy, a major flaw with multiplayer, but i digress.

mckerney · 10-11-2005, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MTD

Why is the last name not capitalized? ladevaia? Is a specific draft being used?

I not l

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 09:03 PM

as you can tell in the transaction log, Iadevaia never signs his rookie contract as all other rookies do, he "signed a renegotiated contract"

Dutch · 10-11-2005, 09:03 PM

Is it possible for Denver to be using a different start year than everybody else?

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 09:04 PM

Start year?

Dutch · 10-11-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Start year?

Forget it, I forgot the contract was re-negotiated, not a rookie contract.

gottimd · 10-11-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Actually its pretty easy, a major flaw with multiplayer, but i digress.

Thats poppy cock. That needs to be fixed. I never knew, I guess I was just too busy playing fair...god I'm dumb.

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 09:08 PM

Heh, I thought it was wierd when I started commishing too, but hey, maybe Jim will fix that.

RailsFS · 10-11-2005, 09:09 PM

nah, you just like a "challenge."

RailsFS · 10-11-2005, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Heh, I thought it was wierd when I started commishing too, but hey, maybe Jim will fix that.

Perhaps we will be hearing from Jim about a game soon then

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Joe · 10-11-2005, 09:10 PM

you should punch that owner in the ovaries.

RailsFS · 10-11-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

you should punch that owner in the ovaries.

seems fair.

PackerFanatic · 10-11-2005, 09:12 PM

Done.

gottimd · 10-11-2005, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Done.

Do it again. DO IT...DO IT!

Fonzie · 10-11-2005, 10:16 PM

Wow. Just...wow.

MrBigglesworth · 10-11-2005, 10:30 PM

If he were cut, and then resigned, wouldn't it say that he "signed a new contract" or "signed as an unrestricted free agent"? Not renegotiated?

Sidhe · 10-12-2005, 12:43 AM

I agree with MrBigglesworth.. why does it say renegotiated? The player would have had to already have a signed contract.

Or maybe the shennanigans the GM pulls confuses the script.

But something isn't right (aside from the rampant illegality of it all).

mckerney · 10-12-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

If he were cut, and then resigned, wouldn't it say that he "signed a new contract" or "signed as an unrestricted free agent"? Not renegotiated?

Perhaps because the participants export had no order to cut the player? When the file is important it's likely that all the commishioners installation sees is a contract offer to a player who appears to be on the team.

MrBigglesworth · 10-12-2005, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Perhaps because the participants export had no order to cut the player? When the file is important it's likely that all the commishioners installation sees is a contract offer to a player who appears to be on the team.

Good point, but that begs another question: if the commish's installation sees that as just another contract offer, why does the player accept it if it is so far below any of the four options that he is asking for?

10-11-2005, 08:33 PM	#3
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	That is what I think too, although I don't want to admit it, heh. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 08:38 PM	#5
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	How would I post a decent screen shot in here? __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 08:41 PM	#8
Masked College Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	My guess is they cut the player, and then resigned them in the same export to whatever their new demands were. As a result, the rookie never appeared in the FA pool. That owner should be immediately kicked out of the league. Last edited by Masked : 10-11-2005 at 08:41 PM.

10-11-2005, 08:47 PM	#11
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	This is the FastFL, but even if we sim a few weeks at a time, a computer team is bound to see that player, not only that but we would noticed if he were released and picked up again. No where on the transaction log does it say that player was released. It's like the player is simming it with commish mode or something wierd like that and exporting that file, I don't know... __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 08:48 PM	#12
RailsFS Mascot Join Date: Jan 2005	I'm Detroit, so that's what it's highlighted, but take a look at top contracts and see if you can pick the winner. Last edited by RailsFS : 10-11-2005 at 08:53 PM.

10-11-2005, 08:33 PM	#2
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Screenshots? I'd think the owner is probably cheating.

10-11-2005, 08:35 PM	#4
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Didn't even read it was multiplayer.. yes indeed a bit of cheating I presume.

10-11-2005, 08:38 PM	#6
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	It's only cheating if it's even possible to cheat. How the heck did the owner do that?

10-11-2005, 08:39 PM	#7
RailsFS Mascot Join Date: Jan 2005	Hopefully, we find out.

10-11-2005, 08:51 PM	#14
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	Even if he was simming in commish mode, which I am not sure is possible, wouldnt you still see that transaction? __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

10-11-2005, 08:52 PM	#16
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	That is what I thought too, any release of a player is noted. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 08:54 PM	#19
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	In Rails screenshot, look at the third overall pick. That is NOT a rookie contract that he signed. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 08:58 PM	#25
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	You just need the .fmk file, that simply tells FOF that you can run in commish mode, you need nothing special. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 09:00 PM	#27
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	Well then the Denver Owner is pretty sneaky sis and should get the boot, and some sort of patch is needed to fix that or this whole thread deleted so this doesn't get out or everyone will have to examine these rookie contracts. __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

10-11-2005, 09:01 PM	#28
MTD n00b Join Date: Mar 2004	Why is the last name not capitalized? ladevaia? Is a specific draft being used?

10-11-2005, 09:02 PM	#29
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Nope, imported TCY draft. And his last name starts with an "I", not an "L" __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 09:02 PM	#30
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	It's an I.

10-11-2005, 09:03 PM	#34
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	as you can tell in the transaction log, Iadevaia never signs his rookie contract as all other rookies do, he "signed a renegotiated contract" __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 09:04 PM	#36
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Start year? __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 09:08 PM	#39
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Heh, I thought it was wierd when I started commishing too, but hey, maybe Jim will fix that. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 09:09 PM	#40
RailsFS Mascot Join Date: Jan 2005	nah, you just like a "challenge."

10-11-2005, 09:10 PM	#42
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	you should punch that owner in the ovaries.

10-11-2005, 09:12 PM	#44
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Done. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-11-2005, 10:16 PM	#46
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	Wow. Just...wow.

10-11-2005, 10:30 PM	#47
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	If he were cut, and then resigned, wouldn't it say that he "signed a new contract" or "signed as an unrestricted free agent"? Not renegotiated?

10-12-2005, 12:43 AM	#48
Sidhe H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NOVA USA	I agree with MrBigglesworth.. why does it say renegotiated? The player would have had to already have a signed contract. Or maybe the shennanigans the GM pulls confuses the script. But something isn't right (aside from the rampant illegality of it all).

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