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04-27-2004, 03:06 PM
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Location: Raleigh, NC
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Best. Pro. Team. Ever. (an all-time pro football tournament)
I've decided to undertake a project using the Quick Play Football game I used for the 2002 college tournament and my college football history replay (which I'll get back to at some point). This will be a fairly massive low-intensity project (meaning, it will go and stop at my discretion and I'll not kill myself trying to get this done by a certain point in time). The Quick Play game comes with the ratings of every pro team (minus WFL and XFL) since 1937. Since I've developed a bulk game-playing utility, I can undertake an exhaustive tournament involving every one of these teams. It will also give me something to fiddle with during down times at work.
There are 1,492 teams: NFL teams from 1937-42 and 1946-2003, AAFC teams from 1946-49, AFL teams from 1960-1969, and USFL teams from 1983-1985. Each team as in the college game is rated for offense, defense, and close game ability. There is a normalization grade that tries to even out the various eras that will be used like the strength of schedule rating was used in the college game. More recent years have higher normalizations than earlier ones in the NFL. Of the other leagues, only the AFL and AAFC have normalizations comparable to the NFL in the same time period and that's more at the end of their existences as they merged with the NFL. The USFL teams have very low normalization scores so they're probably going to get killed in the opening round. There are no seeds and all matchups will be random with two exceptions: no NFL or Super Bowl champion may play another such champion unless it is unavoidable (i.e. more than half the field left are champs), and no team may play a team from the same franchise history unless it is unavoidable (e.g. Tennesee Titans not allowed to play Houston Oilers, but do note that the Ravens can play the Browns since they are technically not the same franchise in the NFL history books). Each round will be best-of-three, a home-and-home, and, if necessary, a neutral site game for the decider. A first round will be conducted to reduce this field to an evenly bracketed 1,024 teams. In the first round, the only teams that are exempt from being selected for play are the NFL or Super Bowl champions from 1937 to now. In addition, all AFL teams (except the 68 Jets and 69 Chiefs since they are Super Bowl winners), all AAFC teams, and all USFL teams are automatically playing a first round series. I'll post the opening round matchups. At least until I reach the round of 64, I will probably just summarize round results in the form of "X beats Y 2-0" or "X beats Y 2-0". I may provide detailed quarter-by-quarter results for series that go to a third game. (It should be noted that I won't play any of these games in a drive-by-drive fashion since that would lengthen the project a lot) If anyone wants to, I can also post the more detailed information for any teams they want. Right then. On with it, shall we?  |
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04-27-2004, 03:21 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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1st Round Pairings
Here's the list of all matchups for the opening round (all pairings listed twice and alphabetized so readers can find a team they want to follow more easily):
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04-27-2004, 04:32 PM
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General Manager
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Town of Flower Mound
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Awesome concept, this should be lots of fun to follow.
Go Cowboys!!!
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04-27-2004, 05:12 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Yeah, should pass the time nicely. I've already played through the games above, but have come to realize that I need to program the Close Game results into my app because it'll be a PITA to do so many close games by hand. Oh, well, something for the next round.
Several series of what I've seen (I haven't looked through all the results yet...it is 936 games after all) have been sweeps, a few have split the games which means a third neutral-site game is needed to settle things, and several others have either one or both scores too close to call to give out a final result, including many of the Cowboys teams. 1997 Cowboys have advanced, while the 1962 team was swept out. Most of the other ones are in close games in both games of the series or at least are up one but close in the other. Like I said, I haven't looked through all the rest to know the who will make the Final One Thousand, Twenty-Four.  |
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04-27-2004, 05:13 PM
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Resident Alien
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Go 1980 Falcons!
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04-29-2004, 10:52 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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To all:
I'm going to re-run these first round games again. I've been able to program in the Close Game chart. I will also be programming in the OT chart as well as a few tweaks for readability purposes, but it shouldn't take long. |
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04-29-2004, 11:24 AM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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my 1999 rams that won the last tournament here didnt get an invite...ouch...
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04-29-2004, 11:43 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Town of Flower Mound
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Read the rules, Blade. If a team won a Super Bowl they got a first round bye...
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04-29-2004, 11:59 AM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Thanks, Jeeber.
All 1,492 teams I have ratings available for are in this tournament. The first round is a completely random selection of teams (as all rounds will be) that didn't win an NFL or Super Bowl Championship. The purpose of the first round as noted in the initial post is to cut this field down to an evenly bracketed 1,024 teams. Since the '99 Rams won the Super Bowl, they don't play until the round of 1,024. |
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04-29-2004, 04:47 PM
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High School Varsity
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Go '99 Rammers!
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04-29-2004, 05:13 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I've got the coding pretty much done (there seems to be an occasional bug, but most of the games play correctly), so I'll begin posting results shortly. (Any games affected by a bug, if it's enough to affect the outcome, I'll replay to correct the error)
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04-30-2004, 01:04 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The first two games of each first round series are in the books. Following the game order listed above, here are the results:
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Next step is to play out the third game of each of the split series to this point. If anyone wants the particular scores of any series, let me know and I'll post them. Last edited by Wolfpack : 04-30-2004 at 04:24 PM. Reason: Fixed an error in the list |
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04-30-2004, 01:19 PM
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College Starter
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Houston, or there about
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OUCH, this hurts it really does:
Dallas Cowboys 2002 swept by Cincinnati Bengals 2003
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04-30-2004, 01:31 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Sorry, Tasan. By the game's measurement, the 03 Bengals and 02 Cowboys were pretty close with each being expected to win at home. Cincinnati trashed Dallas 27-3 in Cincy, while in Dallas the Cowboys converted a 41-yard FG in the late stages to tie the game, only to see the Bengals boot a 56-yarder as time expired to win 19-16.
Even so, the 'Boys did get quite a few into the second round and also have perhaps a few more coming in from current series splits, not to mention all five Super Bowl winners start play in the next round. Last edited by Wolfpack : 04-30-2004 at 02:02 PM. Reason: Mixed up the years on the teams |
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04-30-2004, 01:53 PM
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College Starter
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Houston, or there about
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I was wondering about the '89 Cowboys, I didn't see them listed. Was there a rule I missed about really crappy teams being excluded?
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04-30-2004, 02:00 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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No, they're in it. It just so happened that luck of the draw gave them a bye this round. They'll be playing in the next round.
In the first post, I noted that all pairings were going to be random with some exceptions made to prevent champions meeting and teams from the same franchise history meeting. As there wasn't an evenly divisible number of teams for bracketing, I randomly selected 936 teams to play a first round pairing (the only stipulations being that all AFL, AAFC, and USFL teams were forced to play the first round and that all NFL and Super Bowl champions byed into round two). |
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04-30-2004, 03:11 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The third game in the split series have been played and here are the results:
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It was interesting to see the franchises that have struggled through time seem to fail to win the third game on a consistent basis, while the better historical franchises seemed to win more than they lost in their third games. For example, the Lions lost all six game threes and the Bengals dropped three of four. By contrast, the Dolphins won 6 of 7 while the Raiders won 5 of 7. It wasn't always the case as a highly successful franchise like the Cowboys got beat each game three except once, while the Saints won 5 of 9. But, in Dallas's defense, their best teams did usually win and their champions haven't played yet. Last edited by Wolfpack : 04-30-2004 at 04:29 PM. Reason: fixed errors in the list |
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04-30-2004, 05:21 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So, to sum up, here are all the teams that move on to the next round:
Arizona Cardinals 1995 Arizona Cardinals 1996 Arizona Cardinals 1998 Arizona Cardinals 1999 Arizona Cardinals 2001 Atlanta Falcons 1969 Atlanta Falcons 1970 Atlanta Falcons 1972 Atlanta Falcons 1975 Atlanta Falcons 1980 Atlanta Falcons 1982 Atlanta Falcons 1986 Atlanta Falcons 1990 Atlanta Falcons 1991 Atlanta Falcons 1992 Atlanta Falcons 1997 Atlanta Falcons 1998 Atlanta Falcons 2001 Atlanta Falcons 2003 Baltimore Colts 1956 Baltimore Colts 1963 Baltimore Colts 1964 Baltimore Colts 1968 Baltimore Colts 1971 Baltimore Colts 1972 Baltimore Colts 1976 Baltimore Ravens 1997 Baltimore Ravens 1999 Baltimore Ravens 2002 Baltimore Ravens 2003 Birmingham Stallions 1985 Boston Patriots 1961 Brooklyn Dodgers 1939 Buffalo Bills 1965 Buffalo Bills 1974 Buffalo Bills 1975 Buffalo Bills 1986 Buffalo Bills 1990 Buffalo Bills 1996 Buffalo Bills 1998 Carolina Panthers 1995 Carolina Panthers 1996 Carolina Panthers 1999 Carolina Panthers 2002 Chicago Bears 1942 Chicago Bears 1947 Chicago Bears 1948 Chicago Bears 1956 Chicago Bears 1970 Chicago Bears 1972 Chicago Bears 1978 Chicago Bears 1979 Chicago Bears 1988 Chicago Bears 1998 Chicago Bears 1999 Chicago Bears 2001 Chicago Cardinals 1937 Chicago Cardinals 1946 Chicago Cardinals 1948 Chicago Cardinals 1952 Chicago Cardinals 1956 Chicago Cardinals 1957 Cincinnati Bengals 1972 Cincinnati Bengals 1973 Cincinnati Bengals 1975 Cincinnati Bengals 1976 Cincinnati Bengals 1982 Cincinnati Bengals 1983 Cincinnati Bengals 1984 Cincinnati Bengals 1986 Cincinnati Bengals 1988 Cincinnati Bengals 1997 Cincinnati Bengals 1999 Cincinnati Bengals 2003 Cleveland Browns 1948 Cleveland Browns 1949 Cleveland Browns 1951 Cleveland Browns 1956 Cleveland Browns 1958 Cleveland Browns 1960 Cleveland Browns 1962 Cleveland Browns 1968 Cleveland Browns 1973 Cleveland Browns 1981 Cleveland Browns 1982 Cleveland Browns 1986 Cleveland Browns 1987 Cleveland Browns 1988 Cleveland Browns 1990 Cleveland Browns 1993 Cleveland Browns 1994 Cleveland Browns 1999 Dallas Cowboys 1969 Dallas Cowboys 1972 Dallas Cowboys 1974 Dallas Cowboys 1975 Dallas Cowboys 1978 Dallas Cowboys 1981 Dallas Cowboys 1987 Dallas Cowboys 1994 Dallas Cowboys 1997 Dallas Cowboys 1998 Dallas Cowboys 1999 Denver Broncos 1960 Denver Broncos 1965 Denver Broncos 1966 Denver Broncos 1973 Denver Broncos 1976 Denver Broncos 1977 Denver Broncos 1983 Denver Broncos 1984 Denver Broncos 1987 Denver Broncos 1989 Denver Broncos 1991 Denver Broncos 1992 Denver Broncos 1995 Denver Broncos 1996 Denver Broncos 2000 Denver Broncos 2002 Detroit Lions 1963 Detroit Lions 1966 Detroit Lions 1967 Detroit Lions 1969 Detroit Lions 1972 Detroit Lions 1977 Detroit Lions 1980 Detroit Lions 1982 Detroit Lions 1985 Detroit Lions 1991 Detroit Lions 1997 Detroit Lions 1998 Detroit Lions 1999 Detroit Lions 2001 Green Bay Packers 1960 Green Bay Packers 1963 Green Bay Packers 1974 Green Bay Packers 1980 Green Bay Packers 1983 Green Bay Packers 1984 Green Bay Packers 1985 Green Bay Packers 1986 Green Bay Packers 1989 Green Bay Packers 1992 Green Bay Packers 1993 Green Bay Packers 1995 Green Bay Packers 1997 Green Bay Packers 1999 Green Bay Packers 2000 Green Bay Packers 2002 Houston Gamblers 1985 Houston Oilers 1962 Houston Oilers 1970 Houston Oilers 1974 Houston Oilers 1975 Houston Oilers 1976 Houston Oilers 1978 Houston Oilers 1980 Houston Oilers 1986 Houston Oilers 1989 Houston Oilers 1990 Houston Oilers 1993 Houston Oilers 1996 Houston Texans 2002 Indianapolis Colts 1987 Indianapolis Colts 1988 Indianapolis Colts 1989 Indianapolis Colts 1990 Indianapolis Colts 1993 Indianapolis Colts 1994 Indianapolis Colts 1995 Indianapolis Colts 1999 Indianapolis Colts 2000 Indianapolis Colts 2001 Indianapolis Colts 2002 Indianapolis Colts 2003 Jacksonville Jaguars 1995 Jacksonville Jaguars 1996 Jacksonville Jaguars 1997 Jacksonville Jaguars 1998 Jacksonville Jaguars 2001 Kansas City Chiefs 1966 Kansas City Chiefs 1967 Kansas City Chiefs 1968 Kansas City Chiefs 1970 Kansas City Chiefs 1971 Kansas City Chiefs 1973 Kansas City Chiefs 1974 Kansas City Chiefs 1979 Kansas City Chiefs 1985 Kansas City Chiefs 1991 Kansas City Chiefs 1992 Kansas City Chiefs 1995 Kansas City Chiefs 1997 Kansas City Chiefs 1999 Kansas City Chiefs 2001 Kansas City Chiefs 2002 Kansas City Chiefs 2003 Los Angeles Dons 1948 Los Angeles Raiders 1982 Los Angeles Raiders 1986 Los Angeles Raiders 1988 Los Angeles Raiders 1989 Los Angeles Raiders 1990 Los Angeles Raiders 1991 Los Angeles Raiders 1994 Los Angeles Rams 1950 Los Angeles Rams 1953 Los Angeles Rams 1954 Los Angeles Rams 1956 Los Angeles Rams 1961 Los Angeles Rams 1962 Los Angeles Rams 1964 Los Angeles Rams 1965 Los Angeles Rams 1966 Los Angeles Rams 1967 Los Angeles Rams 1972 Los Angeles Rams 1973 Los Angeles Rams 1974 Los Angeles Rams 1976 Los Angeles Rams 1977 Los Angeles Rams 1981 Los Angeles Rams 1982 Los Angeles Rams 1984 Los Angeles Rams 1987 Los Angeles Rams 1989 Los Angeles Rams 1990 Los Angeles Rams 1991 Los Angeles Rams 1993 Los Angeles Rams 1994 Memphis Showboats 1984 Miami Dolphins 1967 Miami Dolphins 1968 Miami Dolphins 1970 Miami Dolphins 1971 Miami Dolphins 1976 Miami Dolphins 1978 Miami Dolphins 1979 Miami Dolphins 1980 Miami Dolphins 1981 Miami Dolphins 1982 Miami Dolphins 1984 Miami Dolphins 1987 Miami Dolphins 1989 Miami Dolphins 1990 Miami Dolphins 1991 Miami Dolphins 1995 Miami Dolphins 1996 Miami Dolphins 1998 Minnesota Vikings 1964 Minnesota Vikings 1969 Minnesota Vikings 1973 Minnesota Vikings 1974 Minnesota Vikings 1975 Minnesota Vikings 1976 Minnesota Vikings 1978 Minnesota Vikings 1989 Minnesota Vikings 1990 Minnesota Vikings 1994 Minnesota Vikings 1995 Minnesota Vikings 1997 Minnesota Vikings 1998 Minnesota Vikings 1999 Minnesota Vikings 2000 Minnesota Vikings 2003 New England Patriots 1971 New England Patriots 1977 New England Patriots 1979 New England Patriots 1980 New England Patriots 1984 New England Patriots 1986 New England Patriots 1987 New England Patriots 1990 New England Patriots 1991 New England Patriots 1993 New England Patriots 1994 New England Patriots 1996 New England Patriots 1997 New England Patriots 1998 New England Patriots 2000 New England Patriots 2002 New Orleans Saints 1972 New Orleans Saints 1978 New Orleans Saints 1980 New Orleans Saints 1982 New Orleans Saints 1984 New Orleans Saints 1987 New Orleans Saints 1988 New Orleans Saints 1989 New Orleans Saints 1990 New Orleans Saints 1991 New Orleans Saints 1992 New Orleans Saints 1993 New Orleans Saints 1994 New Orleans Saints 1998 New Orleans Saints 2000 New Orleans Saints 2001 New Orleans Saints 2002 New York Giants 1941 New York Giants 1946 New York Giants 1951 New York Giants 1958 New York Giants 1960 New York Giants 1961 New York Giants 1963 New York Giants 1965 New York Giants 1968 New York Giants 1970 New York Giants 1971 New York Giants 1972 New York Giants 1980 New York Giants 1982 New York Giants 1985 New York Giants 1987 New York Giants 1988 New York Giants 1989 New York Giants 1992 New York Giants 1995 New York Giants 1996 New York Giants 1997 New York Giants 1998 New York Giants 1999 New York Giants 2001 New York Giants 2002 New York Giants 2003 New York Jets 1964 New York Jets 1970 New York Jets 1972 New York Jets 1982 New York Jets 1984 New York Jets 1985 New York Jets 1986 New York Jets 1988 New York Jets 1993 New York Jets 2001 New York Jets 2002 Oakland Raiders 1966 Oakland Raiders 1968 Oakland Raiders 1969 Oakland Raiders 1972 Oakland Raiders 1973 Oakland Raiders 1977 Oakland Raiders 1978 Oakland Raiders 1979 Oakland Raiders 1981 Oakland Raiders 1995 Oakland Raiders 1997 Oakland Raiders 1999 Philadelphia Eagles 1946 Philadelphia Eagles 1968 Philadelphia Eagles 1970 Philadelphia Eagles 1971 Philadelphia Eagles 1978 Philadelphia Eagles 1981 Philadelphia Eagles 1982 Philadelphia Eagles 1986 Philadelphia Eagles 1988 Philadelphia Eagles 1989 Philadelphia Eagles 1991 Philadelphia Eagles 1992 Philadelphia Eagles 1993 Philadelphia Eagles 1997 Philadelphia Eagles 1998 Philadelphia Eagles 1999 Philadelphia Eagles 2000 Philadelphia Eagles 2002 Philadelphia Stars 1984 Phoenix Cardinals 1991 Pittsburgh Steelers 1950 Pittsburgh Steelers 1963 Pittsburgh Steelers 1966 Pittsburgh Steelers 1967 Pittsburgh Steelers 1971 Pittsburgh Steelers 1973 Pittsburgh Steelers 1976 Pittsburgh Steelers 1977 Pittsburgh Steelers 1980 Pittsburgh Steelers 1982 Pittsburgh Steelers 1983 Pittsburgh Steelers 1990 Pittsburgh Steelers 1991 Pittsburgh Steelers 1993 Pittsburgh Steelers 1994 Pittsburgh Steelers 1996 Pittsburgh Steelers 1997 Pittsburgh Steelers 1998 Pittsburgh Steelers 1999 Pittsburgh Steelers 2000 Pittsburgh Steelers 2001 Portland Breakers 1985 San Diego Chargers 1966 San Diego Chargers 1968 San Diego Chargers 1980 San Diego Chargers 1987 San Diego Chargers 1989 San Diego Chargers 1991 San Diego Chargers 1993 San Diego Chargers 1994 San Diego Chargers 1998 San Diego Chargers 1999 San Diego Chargers 2003 San Francisco 49ers 1948 San Francisco 49ers 1954 San Francisco 49ers 1958 San Francisco 49ers 1960 San Francisco 49ers 1968 San Francisco 49ers 1972 San Francisco 49ers 1974 San Francisco 49ers 1976 San Francisco 49ers 1977 San Francisco 49ers 1979 San Francisco 49ers 1982 San Francisco 49ers 1983 San Francisco 49ers 1985 San Francisco 49ers 1986 San Francisco 49ers 1991 San Francisco 49ers 1992 San Francisco 49ers 1996 San Francisco 49ers 1997 San Francisco 49ers 1999 San Francisco 49ers 2003 Seattle Seahawks 1978 Seattle Seahawks 1987 Seattle Seahawks 1998 Seattle Seahawks 1999 Seattle Seahawks 2000 St.Louis Cardinals 1974 St.Louis Cardinals 1975 St.Louis Cardinals 1979 St.Louis Cardinals 1981 St.Louis Cardinals 1982 St.Louis Cardinals 1983 St.Louis Cardinals 1984 St.Louis Rams 1997 St.Louis Rams 1998 St.Louis Rams 2000 St.Louis Rams 2001 St.Louis Rams 2002 Tampa Bay Bucaneers 1981 Tampa Bay Bucaneers 1982 Tampa Bay Bucaneers 1984 Tampa Bay Bucaneers 1985 Tampa Bay Bucaneers 1991 Tampa Bay Bucaneers 1997 Tampa Bay Bucaneers 2000 Tampa Bay Bucaneers 2001 Tampa Bay Bucaneers 2003 Tennessee Oilers 1997 Tennessee Oilers 1998 Tennessee Oilers 2000 Tennessee Titans 2002 Tennessee Titans 2003 Washington Redskins 1956 Washington Redskins 1957 Washington Redskins 1964 Washington Redskins 1970 Washington Redskins 1973 Washington Redskins 1974 Washington Redskins 1977 Washington Redskins 1978 Washington Redskins 1981 Washington Redskins 1984 Washington Redskins 1990 Washington Redskins 1993 Washington Redskins 1995 Washington Redskins 1997 Washington Redskins 1999 Washington Redskins 2000 Washington Redskins 2003 I'm researching the teams that got knocked out and seeing what, if any, impact they had during their respective years. I've seen a few teams that reached the Super Bowl are already gone (like the 1981 Bengals, which lost to the 1994 Chargers), so that's what's sparking my research. Regardless, I'll be moving on to Round 2 this weekend or Monday. As always, feel free to ask if you want to know any specific details. |
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04-30-2004, 05:31 PM
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Great stuff, Wolfpack. Can't wait to see what the '90s Super Bowl Cowboys teams can do...
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05-02-2004, 02:44 PM
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College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: South Florida
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Dang, Wolf...what an epic undertaking.
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05-02-2004, 02:54 PM
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Location: South Florida
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I did an all Cowboys playoff once -- using 16 of the Pokes all time great teams. I seeded them according to regular season won-loss records, using playoff records and best net points for tiebreakers. It came down to the 77 Boys of Roger Staubach, Tony Dorsett, Drew Pearson and Randy White against the 92 Boys featuring Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin and Charles Haley. It was a really tight contest, with the 92 Boys taking a 27-21 lead midway through the final period on a 2-yard Emmitt Smith TD smash. However, they don't call Staubach the original "Captain Comeback" for nothing. He takes the 77 squad down the field and fires a 12-yard TD pass to Preston Pearson with 1:15 remaining to give the 77 Boys a 28-27 lead. The 77 Doomsday D made it stand, as Ed "Too Tall" Jones sacked Aikman on 4th and long at midfield. Great, great game. |
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05-02-2004, 02:58 PM
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Iowa City, IA
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Go 49ers!
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05-03-2004, 12:55 PM
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Heh. It is. I wouldn't do it if I hadn't developed a VB app that does just about everything for me and I just report the results. 968 games by hand...forever and a day. 968 games in this utility...about 3 seconds. I'll be spending more time reporting than playing, by far. It's also given me insight as to what I should tweak here and there to make things more useful in the program. Since I've added the close game and overtime portions, I'm probably going to return to my college football history dynasty after this since it will now do record tracking (though I'd like to figure out some way of outputting a weekly snapshot during the season replay). It was getting to be a grind to enter all the quarter scores in an Excel spreadsheet so that wins and losses could be properly tracked. (Not to mention the fact that the 1901 poll recorded a half-dozen votes and that was down from a dozen in 1900, which doesn't do wonders for motivation) |
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05-03-2004, 03:49 PM
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I've finished researching what the tournament has lost in the first round. Four AFL champs and six Super Bowl runners-up were tossed to the side (including 1967 Oakland, which counts on both lists). The complete casualty list of prominent teams:
*1984 USFL Bandits won a Wild Card spot, but were eliminated by Birmingham 36-17 in the playoffs *1985 USFL Bandits received a Wild Card at 10-8, but lost to Oakland 30-27 in the opening round of the playoffs *1977 Bears earned a Wild Card at 9-5, but were promptly bounced by the Cowboys 37-7 *1984 Bears won the NFC Central at 10-6, shut out in NFC championship by 49ers 23-0 *1991 Bears got a Wild Card spot with an 11-5 mark, but fell at home to the Cowboys 17-13 in the opening round *1968 Bengals were an expansion team in the AFL *1981 Bengals won the AFC Central at 12-4, reached the Super Bowl XVI before losing to the 49ers 26-21. *1963 Bills lost AFL East in a playoff to the Patriots *1964 Bills won the AFL that year after a 12-2 regular season and crushing the Chargers in the championship *1991 Bills won the AFC East at 13-3, reached the Super Bowl, and lost 37-24 to Washington *1948 AAFC Bisons won AAFC East Division in a playoff against the Baltimore Colts, but were then trashed 49-7 by Cleveland in the AAFC Championship *1949 AAFC Bisons reached playoffs at 5-5-2 and were promptly bounced by the Browns 31-21 *1983 USFL Blitz won the Wild Card in the USFL that year at 12-6, but were eliminated by Philadelphia in overtime 44-38 *1979 Broncos earned a Wild Card at 10-6 but lost in Houston to the Oilers 13-7 *1986 Broncos won AFC West at 11-5, lost in Super Bowl XXI to the Giants 39-20 *1946 Browns won the AAFC championship *1947 Browns won the AAFC championship *1952 Browns won the NFL East Division at 8-4, but lost in the title game to Detroit 17-7 *1953 Browns posted a league-best 11-1 mark but lost a heartbreaker to the Lions 17-16 in the title game *1967 Browns won NFL Century Division at 9-5 before getting trashed by the Cowboys 52-14 in the playoffs *1971 Browns won the AFC Central at 9-5, but were eliminated by the Colts 20-3 in the playoffs *1980 Browns won the AFC Central at 11-5, but lost at home to the Wild Card Raiders 14-12 *1995 Browns were the last of the old Browns teams to play in Cleveland *1977 Buccaneers won the first game in franchise history (1976 team went 0-14) *1979 Buccaneers won NFC Central at 10-6, beat the Eagles, but lost to the Rams 9-0 in the NFC Championship *1960 LA Chargers won first AFL West title in AFL history, lost in first AFL Championship to Houston 24-16 *1961 Chargers won AFL West at 12-2 but were knocked off by the Oilers 10-3 in the AFL Championship *1963 Chargers won the AFL West again at 11-3 and this time won the AFL title 51-10 over the Patriots *1964 Chargers won the AFL West for the fourth time in five years, but were beat by the Bills 20-17 in the AFL Championship *1965 Chargers won AFL West for the fifth time and third in a row, but were shut out by the Bills 23-0 in the AFL Championship *1982 Chargers reached AFC playoffs at 6-3, beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh, but lost to the Dolphins 34-13 *1962 Texans (Chiefs) went 11-3 and won the AFL championship 20-17 in OT over Houston *1963 Chiefs were the first franchise team to play in Kansas City *1986 Chiefs won a Wild Card spot at 10-6 but lost in the opening round to the Jets 35-15 *1948 AAFC Colts (no relation to present-day Colts) lost AAFC East Division playoff to Buffalo 28-17 *1975 Colts won the AFC East with a 10-4 record but lost 28-10 to the Steelers in the playoffs *1977 Colts finished 10-4, co-champs AFC East, knocked out at home by Raiders in playoffs *1983 Colts were the last Colts team to play in Baltimore *1960 Cowboys were an expansion team in the NFL and it showed in an 0-11-1 season *1966 Cowboys were beaten by the Packers in the NFL Championship after winning the NFL East at 10-3-1 *1967 Cowboys won the NFL Capital Division at 9-5, beat Cleveland, but lost again to the Packers in the NFL Championship *1976 Cowboys won NFC East at 11-3, but were upset at home by the LA Rams 14-12 in the playoffs *1979 Cowboys won the NFC East at 11-5, but lost in the divisional round to the LA Rams *1982 Cowboys finished 6-3, second in the NFC standings, lost to Washington in the NFC title game 31-17 *1966 Dolphins were an AFL expansion team, finished 3-11 *2003 Eagles won NFC East at 12-4, defeated the Packers, but lost at home to the Panthers 14-3 in the NFC Championship *1984 USFL Express won the USFL Western Conference Pacific Division at 10-6, beat Michigan in 3 OTs, but lost to Arizona 35-23 in the semi-finals *1971 Falcons were the first winning team in franchise history at 7-6-1 *1949 49ers reached AAFC playoffs, beat the Yankees, but lost to Cleveland in the AAFC Championship 21-7 *2002 49ers won newly re-aligned NFC West at 10-6, beat the Giants in a wild finish, but got buried by the Bucs 31-6 *1984 USFL Gamblers won the USFL Western Conference Central Division at 13-5, but were upset by Arizona 17-16 in the playoffs *1984 USFL Generals earned a Wild Card spot at 14-4, but were beaten by Philadelphia 28-7 in the opening round of the playoffs *1985 USFL Generals got a Wild Card at 11-7, but lost to Baltimore in the opening round 20-17 *1984 Giants won a Wild Card spot at 9-7, upset the Rams, but were beaten by the 49ers 21-10 *2000 Giants won NFC East at 12-4, beat the Eagles and shut out the Vikings 41-0 before being stuffed by the Ravens 31-7 in Super Bowl XXXV *1985 USFL Gold got a Wild Card at 11-7, but got mauled by Memphis 48-7 in the playoffs *1985 USFL Invaders won the Western Conference at 13-4-1, beat Tampa Bay and Memphis, but lost to Baltimore 28-24 in the USFL Championship *1969 Jets won AFL East Division at 10-4, but were upset at home by Kansas City 13-6 *1981 Jets earned a Wild Card at 10-5-1 but got knocked off at home by the Bills 31-27 *1998 Jets won the AFC East at 12-4 but were beaten at home by Jacksonville 34-24 in the divisional round *1983 Lions won ugly NFC Central at 9-7 and were nipped in the divisional round at San Francisco 24-23 *1993 Lions won NFC Central at 10-6, lost at home in the Wild Card round to the Packers 28-24 *1995 Lions finished 10-6 in NFC Central, earned a Wild Card spot, and got drubbed at Philadelphia 58-37 *1938 Packers won NFL West Division at 8-3, lost to the Giants 23-17 in the NFL Championship *1982 Packers made playoffs at 5-3-1, whipped the Cardinals, lost at Dallas 37-26 in the second round *1994 Packers got a Wild Card at 9-7, beat the Lions at home, but lost at Dallas 35-9 *1998 Packers won Wild Card at 11-5 (Vikings were 15-1), but lost at San Francisco 30-27 in the Wild Card round *1983 USFL Panthers won USFL Central title at 12-6, beat Oakland in the playoffs and won the first-ever USFL Championship 24-22 over Philadelphia *1984 USFL Panthers won a Wild Card slot at 10-8, but lost in the playoffs to Los Angeles 27-21 in triple-overtime *2001 Panthers set a single-season consecutive loss record with 15 *1963 Patriots won the AFL East in a playoff game over Buffalo, but were whipped by the Chargers in the title game *1976 Patriots jumped from 3-11 to 11-3, getting a Wild Card spot, and lost in the first round to Oakland 24-21 *1967 Raiders went 13-1 and won the AFL Championship, lost to Green Bay in Super Bowl II 33-14 *1970 Raiders won first post-merger AFC West title at 8-4-2, beat the Dolphins, then lost to Baltimore in the AFC Championship 27-17 *1975 Raiders won AFC West at 11-3, beat the Bengals, but lost to the Steelers in the AFC Championship 16-10 *1955 Rams won the NFL's Western Division at 8-3-1 but lost to Cleveland in the NFL Championship 38-14 *1969 Rams won the NFL's Coastal Division at 11-3 but lost at Minnesota in the playoffs 23-20 *1979 Rams won the NFC West at 9-7, upset both Dallas and Tampa Bay, but fell to the Steelers in Super Bowl XIV 31-19 *1980 Rams won a Wild Card berth at 11-5, thumped at Dallas in the opening round 34-13 *1988 Rams were a Wild Card team at 10-6, but lost the playoff opener at Minnesota 28-17 *1971 Redskins won the NFC Wild Card at 9-4-1, but were eliminated by the 49ers 24-20 in the playoffs *1985 USFL Showboats grabbed a Wild Card at 11-7, buried Denver 48-7, but were beaten by Oakland 28-19 in the semi-finals *1984 USFL Stallions won the USFL Eastern Conference Southern Division at 14-4, beat Tampa Bay, but lost to Philadelphia in the semi-finals 20-10 *1983 USFL Stars won USFL Atlantic Division at 15-3, beat Chicago in the playoffs, but lost the USFL Championship to Michigan 24-22 *1985 USFL Stars got a Wild Card spot at 10-7-1, beat New Jersey, upset Birmingham, and then won their second straight USFL Championship 28-24 over Oakland *1947 Steelers lost NFL East Division in a playoff to Philadelphia 21-0 *1972 Steelers won AFC Central at 11-3, beat the Raiders on the "Immaculate Reception", lost to Miami in the AFC Championship 21-17 *1984 Steelers made the playoffs at 9-7, knocked off Denver, but lost to Miami 45-28 *1989 Steelers earned a Wild Card at 9-7, beat the Oilers in OT, but were edged by Denver 24-23 *1960 Oilers (Titans) went 10-4 and won the first ever AFL championship 24-16 over the LA Chargers *1961 Oilers (Titans) went 10-3-1 and won their second straight AFL title, defeating the Chargers again 10-3 *1967 Oilers (Titans) won AFL East at 9-4-1, but were crushed by the Raiders 40-7 in the AFL Championship *1991 Oilers (Titans) won AFC Central at 11-5, lost to Denver in divisional round 26-24 *1961 Vikings were an NFL expansion team, finishing 3-11 *1968 Vikings won the NFL's Central Division at 8-6, but were ousted by the Colts 24-14 in the playoffs *1971 Vikings won the NFC Central with an 11-3 record, but were upset at home by the Cowboys 20-12 *1988 Vikings grabbed a Wild Card at 11-5, reached the divisional round before being whipped by the 49ers 34-9 *1984 USFL Wranglers earned a Wild Card at 10-8, upset Houston and Los Angeles, but were demolished by Philadelphia 23-3 in the USFL Championship *1946 AAFC Yankees won the AAFC East Division at 10-3 but lost in the AAFC Championship to Cleveland 14-9 *1947 AAFC Yankees again won the AAFC East, this time at 11-2-1, but again were beaten by the Browns 14-3 in the AAFC Championship *1949 AAFC Yankees reached AAFC playoffs at 8-4, but were beaten by San Francisco 17-7 in the semi-final round All other first-round ousters were teams that missed the playoffs. A number of them just missed, while most of the rest were not that good. As an FYI, here are the non-NFL teams that are left in the field: *AFL teams left (19): Boston Patriots 1961 Buffalo Bills 1965 Denver Broncos 1960 Denver Broncos 1965 Denver Broncos 1966 Houston Oilers 1962 Kansas City Chiefs 1966 Kansas City Chiefs 1967 Kansas City Chiefs 1968 Kansas City Chiefs 1969 Miami Dolphins 1967 Miami Dolphins 1968 New York Jets 1964 New York Jets 1968 Oakland Raiders 1966 Oakland Raiders 1968 Oakland Raiders 1969 San Diego Chargers 1966 San Diego Chargers 1968 *AAFC teams left (4): Cleveland Browns 1948 Cleveland Browns 1949 Los Angeles Dons 1948 San Francisco 49ers 1948 *USFL teams left (5): Birmingham Stallions 1985 Houston Gamblers 1985 Memphis Showboats 1984 Philadelphia Stars 1984 Portland Breakers 1985 Last edited by Wolfpack : 05-03-2004 at 04:02 PM. Reason: Added SB champs Chiefs and Jets to AFL survivor list |
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05-03-2004, 04:40 PM
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Go Houston Oilers!
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05-04-2004, 04:00 PM
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The draw is done for Round 2. To make things easier to follow, we'll do the results in eight groups of 64 pairings apiece. In this instance, I won't bother with re-sorting alphabetically by team. I've done the random draw such that the NFL and Super Bowl Champs all play in the last group of pairings.
So, here is the first group of 64: Code:
WC--Wild Card team that year D--Division champion that year C--Conference champion that year SB--Super Bowl champion that year L--League champion that year Last edited by Wolfpack : 05-04-2004 at 04:36 PM. Reason: Added notations for playoff teams |
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05-05-2004, 03:40 PM
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The first two games in the first group of 64 pairings are now complete. Here's the tally board at present:
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05-05-2004, 05:14 PM
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Game 3's are played out. Here are the results:
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As for the marquee matchup between 93 Buffalo and 87 Cleveland, the Browns broke open a 7-0 halftime game and won handily 24-9 to advance. The USFL is now down to four teams as the 1984 Stars were knocked out by the lowly Chargers of 2003, but not without a fight. The Stars converted a 45-yard field goal to tie the game and send it to overtime. The Stars got the ball first in OT, but missed on a game-winning 47-yarder. The Chargers made them pay as they took the resulting possession down the field and converted a 33-yard field goal to win 27-24. Last edited by Wolfpack : 05-05-2004 at 05:18 PM. |
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05-05-2004, 05:17 PM
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05-05-2004, 11:33 PM
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05-06-2004, 12:44 AM
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Fuckin' Oilers...
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05-07-2004, 10:20 PM
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Sorry, Cowboys fans. It seemed to be a horrid series all-around for that 1978 team. Game one, they were favored by 13 at home, but actually trailed 10-3 at halftime before eeking out two second half touchdowns to win 17-10. The narrow defeat must've been inspiring to the Oilers because their defense continued to keep the Cowboys under control in game two in Houston. Dallas led 10-7 at halftime and 13-10 after three, but the Oilers scored a TD in the fourth to a Dallas FG to take a 17-16 lead. Dallas had a chance to win, but a 45-yard FG missed late and Houston pulled the upset (Dallas had been favored by 5 in the game in Houston). Which brings us to game three at the neutral site. Dallas would be a nine-point favorite. Here's the actual output from the game program:
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Once again, the Cowboy offense failed to crack the Oiler defense and the Oilers did just enough to stay in the game until the late game heroics. Three very fluke games, IMO. The dice for Dallas were cold and just stayed there throughout the series. They were expected to score over 20 points in all three games and never did it. Houston actually rolled about average for their scoring ability based on their matchup with Dallas. Even so, the close game factor was heavily in favor of Dallas, so it should have allowed Dallas to pull out the win while the Oilers faltered. Again, Dallas was cold, rolling a very low number in the game at Houston, while the Oilers rolled two very high numbers in the neutral site game to offset their weak CGF rating (in the game above, it would be the last rating listed after the team names, 8 for Dallas and -8 for Houston). All in all, a perfect storm of bad rolls for Dallas resulted in Houston's win in the series. |
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05-08-2004, 07:06 PM
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Could be. I didn't rate these teams, I'm just using them. I do think, however, the guy who did rate them used a basic PF-PA mathematical formula of some kind to arrive at his ratings, rather than be subjective about it.
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05-08-2004, 07:25 PM
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Dola...
The normalization rating is subjective, actually. I'm not sure how he arrives at that number and why and when it increases as time goes along. The 1994 season had a normalization grade of 16, while 1978 had a grade of 12. What this did was give the 94 Houston team four points towards determining their final scoring grade while taking four points away from Dallas, essentially an eight-point swing for each game of the series. Without it, I don't think Houston is competitive, let alone wins the series. This sort of rating is a rather ticklish thing in terms of this sort of "what if" tournament. On the one hand, without such a rating, teams from older eras with less competition or talent or training may perhaps be too good in this sort of cross-era competition. However, the grade itself is subjective and perhaps may penalize too much in the other direction. Because of it, I doubt many teams from before the merger will even reach the round of 64, much less be contenders. If the 1937 Giants, for example, played the 2003 Bengals, the Bengals get 16 points toward their final rating (17-1=16), while the Giants lose those 16 points. Have the changes to the game since 1937 merited all those points? I don't know, but since I didn't make this game, I don't know the philosophy behind the rating to know how to adjust it. Even so, it still took bad luck for Dallas to lose. They should have won the series as they were favored to win in all three games. Truly, play this game ten tomes and Dallas wins 8 of them. Their problem was that Houston's two of ten came in two of the first three games potentially. |
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05-08-2004, 09:30 PM
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A brief census report on which current NFL franchises are doing well and which ones aren't. I'll update these figures after each round, so these first figures are after the first round and don't include any second round results yet:
Most teams left: Cleveland/LA/St. Louis Rams, with 53 Fewest teams left: Houston Texans, with 2 (fewest among pre-1976 expansion teams are the Cincinnati Bengals and the New York Titans/Jets, with 25 each) Best percentage of teams left: Houston Texans (2 of 2) and Baltimore Ravens (8 of 8), with 100% (best among pre-1976 expansion teams are the Miami Dolphins, with 35 of 38 teams, or 92.3% left) Worst percentage of teams left: New York Titans/Jets, with 56.8% (25 of 44) Here's a similar breakdown for calendar years (note, these figures are just for teams that still exist in the current NFL, folded franchises don't count against the total): Most teams left: 1999 season, with 31 Fewest teams left: 1938 season, with 5 (fewest among post-1960 seasons are 1965 and 1967 with 9 each) Best percentage of teams left: 1999 season, with 100% (31 of 31) (it should be noted that the 1999 teams went 20-0 in the opening round, so it wasn't because they didn't play in the opening round) Worst percentage of teams left: 1967 season, with 36% (9 of 25) Last edited by Wolfpack : 05-08-2004 at 09:36 PM. |
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05-11-2004, 10:25 AM
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Here's the schedule in the second group of 64 pairings:
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Conferece champs are plentiful in this grouping, including probably one of the greatest teams never to win the Super Bowl, the 1984 Dolphins, with all of Dan Marino's single-season passing records (5,084 yards, 48 touchdowns, etc). Initial glance suggest the best pairing of the group to be the 1990 49ers and the 1995 Packers, who were division champs in their respective years. San Francisco had the best record in the NFL in 1990 at 14-2, but were upset in the conference championship by the Giants, who went on to defeat the Bills in Super Bowl XXV. The Packers won the NFC Central at 11-5, but had to play on Wild Card weekend. They beat the Falcons and then knocked off the Packers in San Francisco before succombing to the Cowboys in the NFC title game. The Cowboys then beat Pittsburgh in Super Bowl XXX. Last edited by Wolfpack : 05-11-2004 at 03:52 PM. |
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05-11-2004, 11:10 AM
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Here are the results of the first two games played in each series:
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The battle I expected between the 1990 49ers and the 1995 Packers never materialized as the Packers swept the series. Game one in Green Bay was somewhat close as the 49ers turned the ball over on downs late and lost 20-16. In San Francisco, the Packers used a 10-point fourth quarter to blow open a 12-7 contest and won 22-7 to complete the sweep. There have been three big upsets thus far: the 1989 Chargers beat the 1997 Raiders, the 1987 Patriots knocked off 1988 AFC Champion Cincinnati, and the USFL will live to see round three as the 1985 Birmingham Stallions move on after sweeping the 1981 Oakland Raiders. Oh, and for you Cowboys fans still miffed about the 1978 team getting bounced, here's some relief for you: Code:
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05-11-2004, 01:51 PM
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Just caught up to date on this. Go Panthers!!
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05-11-2004, 02:14 PM
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Excellent round for the Cowboys here. Let's hope that the '87 squad can make it a clean sweep for us in this bracket...
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05-11-2004, 03:53 PM
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Great stuff
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05-11-2004, 04:02 PM
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Game 3's of each series are now played:
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Nothing terribly surprising in this batch. A number of upsets, but not really big upsets as most favorites that lost were only 1- or 2-point favorites. The largest upset was the 1998 Giants going down to the 1989 Bucs as the Giants were 6-point favorites in that contest and lost 20-10. Speaking of the Giants, they seemed to have a rough go of it in these deciding games as they had five teams involved in this batch of Game 3's and only the 1972 team got through, beating the 1948 Bears 33-21 in a slight upset. |
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05-11-2004, 04:30 PM
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Minnesota Vikings 2002 2-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1986
Woohoo. Revenge for Superbowl IX. Go Vikings. |
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05-11-2004, 09:24 PM
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05-14-2004, 02:34 PM
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Group 3 pairings now being posted:
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Nine conference champs are in action in this group and one that coulda, woulda, shoulda been (1998 Minnesota) is also seeing the field. At the opposite end, we have the only winless, tied-less team in history (1976 Bucs) and another team that nearly matched them in the strike shortened 1982 season (the Colts, who went 0-8-1). Best matchups seem to be 1992 Vikings and 2001 Steelers (both division champs), and the 1987 Broncos against the 1997 Giants. 1987 was Denver's second straight Super Bowl appearance, but it ended in a humiliating 42-10 loss to the Redskins. The Giants won a fairly weak NFC East in 1997 and were knocked out by a 9-7 Minnesota squad in the Wild Card round. Results of the first two games to be posted shortly. |
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05-14-2004, 03:26 PM
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Results of the first two games in the series:
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Three upsets in this batch ("upset" in this case means a team was favored in both games and lost both to get swept). 1992 Minnesota took both games from 2001 Pittsburgh, though game two in Minnesota was only a line of -1 for the Steelers. A somewhat bigger upset was the 1990 New England Patriots (1-15 that year), beat 1978 Washington (8-8). Washington was favored by 13 at home and 5 on the road and dropped both by 5. The other upset was the 1962 Steelers over the 1953 Rams, with the Rams favored similarly to Washington, though the records of the two teams were nowhere near as askance (1953 Rams were 8-3-1 in a very competitive NFL West, while the 1962 Steelers were 9-5 and 2nd in the NFL East, despite being badly outscored 312-363). There are some great clashes that are going to a third game: *1983 Washington and 1989 LA Rams have taken turns winning road games by convincing margins. The neutral site battle has Washington the slight favorite. *The matchup between 1978 San Diego and 1993 Denver is heading to a game three after each team took the home game in the series. The neutral game favors the Chargers. *The 2003 NY Jets have pushed the 1995 AFC Champion Steelers to a third game after both won at home. Pittsburgh is the favorite in game three, though it's only a one-point line. *Another conference champion receiving a stiff challenge is the 1981 Cowboys, who won at Oakland, but were beaten badly at home by the 1998 Raiders. Game three is expected to be a tight affair with the Cowboys favored just barely. *The 1997 Giants have also done well, splitting with the 1987 AFC Champion Broncos. The linesmakers have surprisingly installed the Giants as the one-point favorite in game three. *A series not involving champions or even playoff teams, but still a good one nonetheless is the 1967 Chiefs battling the 1977 Redskins. Both teams were 9-5 in their respective seasons and each took their respective home games. Game three has been set as a straight-up win/loss with no line for either team. *The 1978 Rams and 1992 Packers are exchanging blows that have resulted in romps at home for both teams. Like the Chiefs-Redskins game three, this game is also a straight-up, no-line contest. Last edited by Wolfpack : 05-17-2004 at 12:57 PM. Reason: 1976 Succaneers are now 0-16, rather than 2-14 |
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05-14-2004, 09:45 PM
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The 2000 Cowboys swept the '89 'Skins?
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05-15-2004, 09:17 PM
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Here's how that series shook out, Jeeber:
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The game in Big D was a toss-up, but as you can see, Dallas buried them in an avalanche in the first half and won going away. Game two in DC was the upset game as they must've rolled a high CG die roll to offset the -6 modifier to score the game-winning touchdown. To put a bit of historical context to it, 2000 Dallas was 5-11 but they lost one game to Arizona by a point, to the Giants by 4, and lost two others in OT, so they could have been 9-7 (averaged 18.4 ppg and gave up 22.6 ppg). By contrast, the 89 Skins won the close games Dallas seemed to lose with six of ten wins by 7 points or less (averaged 24.1 ppg and gave up 19.3). So, it isn't that far-fetched in the basic scoring margin context that this game employs, since it doesn't factor in the efforts of individual players and focuses on team scoring and defending ability as a whole. |
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05-15-2004, 09:21 PM
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Now that I look it up, Dallas rolled a "20" on their CG roll (d20). The only result that their CGF of -6 allowed them to score a touchdown without a chance to respond by Washington. So, they hit the jackpot, as it were, on a 5% chance. They could have scored a touchdown on a "19", but the Skins would have had a chance to respond (albeit at only +1 CGF since the game rules say the second team subtracts 5 from their CGF to reflect the minimal time left to score in).
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05-15-2004, 09:32 PM
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'76 Buccaneers won? wow that's surprising...
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