Buying a car

Dunleavy · 02-14-2005, 05:43 AM

have a 97 Ford tarus GL, insteading of fixing a pricey problem, i have decided to get another car. just seeing what the board has to say about cars, their cars, whats good whats bad, pretty open topic.

i had an old Acura Legend b4, enjoyed it so i may go back for a newer one

Honolulu_Blue · 02-14-2005, 06:47 AM

Just bought a 2005 Subura Outback about a month ago. Love it. Great car.

If you're looking for a new car, I'd reccommend www.cars.com. It's a wealth of knowledge and will really allow you to get a good sense of what is out there, decent prices, and reviews. We spent a few weeks doing quite a bit of research before buying and felt pretty prepared and knowledgable when we pulled off the deal.

QuikSand · 02-14-2005, 08:14 AM

An investment in a new car is probably reason enough to pay for information from Consumer Reports. They offer a pretty reliable set of information about both initial quality and resale value. A broader sampling than you're likely to get, say, here.

flere-imsaho · 02-14-2005, 08:23 AM

If we're giving resource recommendations, I cannot recommend edmunds.com highly enough. Go have a look, and I'm sure you'll find lots of good advice.

Swaggs · 02-14-2005, 10:32 AM

Do you need 4x4 or AWD?

How much room do you need (have a family w/ kids?)?

Price range?

albionmoonlight · 02-14-2005, 10:37 AM

I had a friend in the car biz, and he said that the only used car lot that he would consider trusting is CarMax. It's not that they won't screw you, but that they are slightly less likely to screw you than any dealership/random used car lot.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-14-2005, 10:44 AM

To echo the statements above, we also checked out edmunds.com and hit the library and reviewed Consumer Reports. All those sources were great. It's a big investment and worth a little time.

Franklinnoble · 02-14-2005, 10:55 AM

Buy certified used - preferably something that still has some warranty left on it. You get an almost-new car, without taking a nice rectal dose of depreciation.

Swaggs · 02-14-2005, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Buy certified used - preferably something that still has some warranty left on it. You get an almost-new car, without taking a nice rectal dose of depreciation.

I sold cars for about a year and have to say that you are wrong. If you don't get a nice rectal dose of depreciation from a used car, try turning around and trading it in at another dealership right after you buy it. And with what gets passed off as "certified" would not impress most people.

You get reemed either way. The only way you will get a "great" deal is if the dealership is closing in on a goal that will get a big bonus from the manufacturer.

Also, Consumer Reports did an article within the past year-and-a-half (since I've had a subscription) that found that car warranties are a pretty big waste of money. They said the only warranties worth buying were on mobile electronics (ie: laptops, MP3 players, etc.). Most car warranties cover only selected problems (as I'm sure folks have found out), so it is a safer bet to put your $1200-$2000 in the bank and use it on repairs if needed.

bosshogg23 · 02-14-2005, 12:50 PM

I am getting a Chevy Equinox in about a month. Trading up from a 95 Caravan

If the auto show is going to be in your area, go! You can sometimes pick up dealer rebates/certificates worth up to $500 just for giving your name & address and appearing interested in that brand of vehicle.

General Motors also gives certificates to their employees(im sure the other companies do as well) that anyone can use to buy a car at roughly 3% above dealer cost. That is about 6% below the MSRP on most vehicles. If you know anyone who works for the auto industry, ask. They almost never use the certificates and have no problem giving them out.

Franklinnoble · 02-14-2005, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I sold cars for about a year and have to say that you are wrong. If you don't get a nice rectal dose of depreciation from a used car, try turning around and trading it in at another dealership right after you buy it. And with what gets passed off as "certified" would not impress most people.

You get reemed either way. The only way you will get a "great" deal is if the dealership is closing in on a goal that will get a big bonus from the manufacturer.

Also, Consumer Reports did an article within the past year-and-a-half (since I've had a subscription) that found that car warranties are a pretty big waste of money. They said the only warranties worth buying were on mobile electronics (ie: laptops, MP3 players, etc.). Most car warranties cover only selected problems (as I'm sure folks have found out), so it is a safer bet to put your $1200-$2000 in the bank and use it on repairs if needed.

Selling at a dealership is different than selling on Autotrader.com.

Anybody can do the math, and the kbb.com research, to back this up - buying used is a better deal, and if you have some drivetrain warranty left, that's a bonus.

Craptacular · 02-16-2005, 08:00 PM

Edmunds.com is the place to start.

As Swaggs asked, what are your needs or wants? It's a big marketplace.

If you need a good blend of space, fuel efficiency, and a little fun, take a look at the newer wagons. We bought a Mazda 6 Wagon a few months ago, but also looked at the Subaru Outback and Legacy, the Dodge Magnum, and the VW Passat. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but looked to be nice vehicles. Our next vehicle will likely be something in the "crossover" category, such as a Chrysler Pacifica, Ford Freestyle, etc. That market is booming right now, so the selection and refinement will improve in the next few years.

SoxWin · 02-16-2005, 08:05 PM

I'd recommend anything made by Honda or Mazda. Hell, anything Japanese over American made.

Dutch · 02-16-2005, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoxWin

I'd recommend anything made by Honda or Mazda. Hell, anything Japanese over American made.

I'm looking at the Honda Civic Sedans. I test drove a Honda Civic and a Hyundai Elantra over the weekend. My wife liked all the bells and whistles the Elantra offered. I liked the better highway ride of the Civic.

I also like the track record on Honda's and the resale value. But my wife could care less about that sort of stuff.

As for buying Japanese over American, I tend to agree. But when it comes to pickups, I'd say the good ole USA kicks butt. But the Toyota Tacoma's and Tundra's are nice looking trucks.

We need to get a car with good gas mileage that won't cost us an arm and a leg. The Civic seems to fit the bill.

Craptacular · 02-16-2005, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch

I'm looking at the Honda Civic Sedans. I test drove a Honda Civic and a Hyundai Elantra over the weekend. My wife liked all the bells and whistles the Elantra offered. I liked the better highway ride of the Civic.

I also like the track record on Honda's and the resale value. But my wife could care less about that sort of stuff.

As for buying Japanese over American, I tend to agree. But when it comes to pickups, I'd say the good ole USA kicks butt. But the Toyota Tacoma's and Tundra's are nice looking trucks.

We need to get a car with good gas mileage that won't cost us an arm and a leg. The Civic seems to fit the bill.

I also own an '03 Hyundai Elantra GT sedan. The main reason I got the GT was for the leather seats. Did you test drive a GT or GLS? The suspension is stiffer on the GT, you get some nicer wheels, and the gauges light up in bluish purple, but the engine is the same as the GLS. I average somewhere around 30 to 31 mpg with a manual transmission. My commute is a mix of 25 mph streets, a 55 mph 2-lane highway, and a 4-lane freeway. I'm just about due for my 26,250 mile oil change, and I have yet to have a single problem with the car (knock on wood). It was an Edmund's "Editor's Most Wanted" car in 2003, and has lived up to the hype so far. You'll get one for 1000s less than a comparable Civic, and get an awesome warranty to boot. If the Hyundais continue to live up to their improving reputations, the resale values will reflect that. If you have any specific questions about my experience with the Elantra, feel free to PM me or post here. I'd strongly consider one.

cartman · 02-16-2005, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoxWin

I'd recommend anything made by Honda or Mazda. Hell, anything Japanese over American made.

Hondas and Toyotas are just as American, if not more, as the Big 3 these days. Civic and Accords are built in the US, as are most Camrys and Corollas.

Dutch · 02-16-2005, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman

Hondas and Toyotas are just as American, if not more, as the Big 3 these days. Civic and Accords are built in the US, as are most Camrys and Corollas.

You are right, I completely forgot that.

Dutch · 02-16-2005, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craptacular

I also own an '03 Hyundai Elantra GT sedan. The main reason I got the GT was for the leather seats. Did you test drive a GT or GLS? The suspension is stiffer on the GT, you get some nicer wheels, and the gauges light up in bluish purple, but the engine is the same as the GLS. I average somewhere around 30 to 31 mpg with a manual transmission. My commute is a mix of 25 mph streets, a 55 mph 2-lane highway, and a 4-lane freeway. I'm just about due for my 26,250 mile oil change, and I have yet to have a single problem with the car (knock on wood). It was an Edmund's "Editor's Most Wanted" car in 2003, and has lived up to the hype so far. You'll get one for 1000s less than a comparable Civic, and get an awesome warranty to boot. If the Hyundais continue to live up to their improving reputations, the resale values will reflect that. If you have any specific questions about my experience with the Elantra, feel free to PM me or post here. I'd strongly consider one.

I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying the Elantra. I think it was the GLS I test drove. You are offering a compelling argument for giving it serious thought vs the Civic. I plan on making road trips to Myrtle Beach in May and Tucson in June/July, so I want something that is reliable on long trips.

I would imagine all cars are reliable for the first few years, it's that mid-range area 4-8 years that I am most concerned about.

sooner333 · 02-17-2005, 12:12 AM

If you are looking for an upscale name, Luxury Motors near Chicago has a huge selection and unbeatable prices. They have a website. I guess they make their money by moving a lot of cars at lower prices.

Dunleavy · 02-17-2005, 04:17 AM

thanks for the response, wish me luck, tomorrow i'll will have a mechanic take a look at my possible future car (i'm not a car person so i need that).

it's a 95 Acura Legend, black on black, leather, sun roof, 6 disc, power everything etc.. only 95-100k miles and body is excellent. i had a 90 legend and enjoyed driving it, and it had over 200k miles. also had the 97 Taurus which was a simple nice car. but an expensive cylinder job caused me to sell it (rather then fix)

i prefer just buying a used car with money i have rather then having car payments every month. i was looking for something that was half sedan, half sports car, and i was leaning toward a Japanese car, so the Acura Legend made alot of sense.

jamesUMD · 02-17-2005, 06:35 AM

I had a 2000 Elantra and liked it. The resale value does suck and my wife pointed out in an article where over the couse of 5 years the Elantra cost more than a comparable Civic because of the price of repairs, resale value, gas mileage, difference in insurance rates, etc. etc.

Swaggs · 02-17-2005, 12:05 PM

If you are looking at Elantras and Civics, you might want to consider looking at a 2-3 year old Accord, as well (if you can find one). They are a little larger (if you have children), have better safety ratings, and a little more pep to the engine.

Hondas are a little harder to find used because they do not distribute to rental car companies.

Dutch · 04-13-2005, 08:08 PM

Well, I finally made my decision today. Did I want an Elantra or a Civic? Well.....I went with the Jetta.

Both of those cars got serious attention from me, Elantra because I could buy new and Civic because of the long standing reputation, but I always wanted a German car and no way I can afford a Mercedes or BMW. At least not yet.

Dark Blue 2002 Volkswagon Jetta VR6 - fully loaded with crap I've never even heard of and plenty of things that can go wrong that I will have to pay for one day. But damn it's nice to drive! (It's a stick which I prefer!)

The asking price at the dealers used car lot was 18.5 but I told them I researched it and saw the private resale value was 14k. He tried me at 17k and then 16k but I would only agree to buy TODAY at 15k, otherwise I would have to think about it. They accepted my mini-ultimatum and I have the car in my garage now.

Not a steal, but I feel like I got a good deal.

WOOT!

rexallllsc · 04-13-2005, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman

Hondas and Toyotas are just as American, if not more, as the Big 3 these days. Civic and Accords are built in the US, as are most Camrys and Corollas.

They know how to manage their workforce!

Craptacular · 04-14-2005, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch

Dark Blue 2002 Volkswagon Jetta VR6 - fully loaded with crap I've never even heard of and plenty of things that can go wrong that I will have to pay for one day.

Well, at least you know what you could be in for.

VW isn't faring so well on reliability. However, we test drove one before we bought our Elantra, and it was fun to drive (1.8T stick). My wife keeps saying she's always wanted a Jetta. What, her Geo Prism isn't good enough?!?!

Good luck. Hope it works out.

Dutch · 04-14-2005, 10:08 PM

Thanks, I'm hoping it remains healthy for oh...about 59, maybe 60 months.

DaddyTorgo · 04-14-2005, 10:11 PM

i'm all about never buying another American car. Toyotas forever! they laugh goddamn FOREVER.

Fonzie · 04-15-2005, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm all about never buying another American car. Toyotas forever! they laugh goddamn FOREVER.

This man speaks the truth.

Galaril · 04-15-2005, 11:08 PM

I am getting a Hyundai Tuscon AWD SUV in June and from what and have seen and read it or any of the Hyundais are money well spent. Great, great warranty plan.

02-14-2005, 06:47 AM	#2
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Just bought a 2005 Subura Outback about a month ago. Love it. Great car. If you're looking for a new car, I'd reccommend www.cars.com. It's a wealth of knowledge and will really allow you to get a good sense of what is out there, decent prices, and reviews. We spent a few weeks doing quite a bit of research before buying and felt pretty prepared and knowledgable when we pulled off the deal. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

02-14-2005, 10:32 AM	#5
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Do you need 4x4 or AWD? How much room do you need (have a family w/ kids?)? Price range? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

02-14-2005, 10:44 AM	#7
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	To echo the statements above, we also checked out edmunds.com and hit the library and reviewed Consumer Reports. All those sources were great. It's a big investment and worth a little time. __________________ *Steve Yzerman: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons). Last edited by Honolulu_Blue : 02-14-2005 at 10:44 AM.*

02-17-2005, 06:35 AM	#21
jamesUMD High School JV Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD	I had a 2000 Elantra and liked it. The resale value does suck and my wife pointed out in an article where over the couse of 5 years the Elantra cost more than a comparable Civic because of the price of repairs, resale value, gas mileage, difference in insurance rates, etc. etc. __________________ HailtotheRedskins!

02-17-2005, 12:05 PM	#22
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	If you are looking at Elantras and Civics, you might want to consider looking at a 2-3 year old Accord, as well (if you can find one). They are a little larger (if you have children), have better safety ratings, and a little more pep to the engine. Hondas are a little harder to find used because they do not distribute to rental car companies. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

02-14-2005, 08:14 AM	#3
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	An investment in a new car is probably reason enough to pay for information from Consumer Reports. They offer a pretty reliable set of information about both initial quality and resale value. A broader sampling than you're likely to get, say, here.

02-14-2005, 08:23 AM	#4
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	If we're giving resource recommendations, I cannot recommend edmunds.com highly enough. Go have a look, and I'm sure you'll find lots of good advice.

02-14-2005, 10:37 AM	#6
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I had a friend in the car biz, and he said that the only used car lot that he would consider trusting is CarMax. It's not that they won't screw you, but that they are slightly less likely to screw you than any dealership/random used car lot.

02-14-2005, 10:55 AM	#8
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Buy certified used - preferably something that still has some warranty left on it. You get an almost-new car, without taking a nice rectal dose of depreciation.

02-14-2005, 12:50 PM	#10
bosshogg23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Philly	I am getting a Chevy Equinox in about a month. Trading up from a 95 Caravan If the auto show is going to be in your area, go! You can sometimes pick up dealer rebates/certificates worth up to $500 just for giving your name & address and appearing interested in that brand of vehicle. General Motors also gives certificates to their employees(im sure the other companies do as well) that anyone can use to buy a car at roughly 3% above dealer cost. That is about 6% below the MSRP on most vehicles. If you know anyone who works for the auto industry, ask. They almost never use the certificates and have no problem giving them out.

02-16-2005, 08:00 PM	#12
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	Edmunds.com is the place to start. As Swaggs asked, what are your needs or wants? It's a big marketplace. If you need a good blend of space, fuel efficiency, and a little fun, take a look at the newer wagons. We bought a Mazda 6 Wagon a few months ago, but also looked at the Subaru Outback and Legacy, the Dodge Magnum, and the VW Passat. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but looked to be nice vehicles. Our next vehicle will likely be something in the "crossover" category, such as a Chrysler Pacifica, Ford Freestyle, etc. That market is booming right now, so the selection and refinement will improve in the next few years.

02-16-2005, 08:05 PM	#13
SoxWin H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Feb 2003	I'd recommend anything made by Honda or Mazda. Hell, anything Japanese over American made.

02-17-2005, 12:12 AM	#19
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	If you are looking for an upscale name, Luxury Motors near Chicago has a huge selection and unbeatable prices. They have a website. I guess they make their money by moving a lot of cars at lower prices.

02-17-2005, 04:17 AM	#20
Dunleavy High School JV Join Date: Sep 2004	thanks for the response, wish me luck, tomorrow i'll will have a mechanic take a look at my possible future car (i'm not a car person so i need that). it's a 95 Acura Legend, black on black, leather, sun roof, 6 disc, power everything etc.. only 95-100k miles and body is excellent. i had a 90 legend and enjoyed driving it, and it had over 200k miles. also had the 97 Taurus which was a simple nice car. but an expensive cylinder job caused me to sell it (rather then fix) i prefer just buying a used car with money i have rather then having car payments every month. i was looking for something that was half sedan, half sports car, and i was leaning toward a Japanese car, so the Acura Legend made alot of sense.

04-13-2005, 08:08 PM	#23
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Well, I finally made my decision today. Did I want an Elantra or a Civic? Well.....I went with the Jetta. Both of those cars got serious attention from me, Elantra because I could buy new and Civic because of the long standing reputation, but I always wanted a German car and no way I can afford a Mercedes or BMW. At least not yet. Dark Blue 2002 Volkswagon Jetta VR6 - fully loaded with crap I've never even heard of and plenty of things that can go wrong that I will have to pay for one day. But damn it's nice to drive! (It's a stick which I prefer!) The asking price at the dealers used car lot was 18.5 but I told them I researched it and saw the private resale value was 14k. He tried me at 17k and then 16k but I would only agree to buy TODAY at 15k, otherwise I would have to think about it. They accepted my mini-ultimatum and I have the car in my garage now. Not a steal, but I feel like I got a good deal. WOOT! Last edited by Dutch : 04-13-2005 at 08:09 PM.

04-14-2005, 10:08 PM	#26
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Thanks, I'm hoping it remains healthy for oh...about 59, maybe 60 months.

04-14-2005, 10:11 PM	#27
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm all about never buying another American car. Toyotas forever! they laugh goddamn FOREVER.

04-15-2005, 11:08 PM	#29
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	I am getting a Hyundai Tuscon AWD SUV in June and from what and have seen and read it or any of the Hyundais are money well spent. Great, great warranty plan.

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