The Official 2008 FOFC Red River Rivalry Trash Talk Thread

[Vegas Vic]

It's been an annual tradition here at FOFC, and the stakes couldn't be higher this year: #1 Oklahoma vs. #5 Texas at the Cotton Bowl. ESPN College Gameday will be there, along with this fired up Longhorn fan:

[MJ4H]

This will be an amazing game this year. Both teams look incredible so far.

[sooner333]

I wish it were Saturday morning already. Although the anticipation is part of what makes this week so fun. I really can't wait until Friday to head down to Dallas. This rivalry has so many special traditions that it's hard to imagine there being a better one out there. Boomer Sooner!

[duckman]

Oklahoma 57531
Texas -3

[cartman]

Originally Posted by sooner333

I wish it were Saturday morning already. Although the anticipation is part of what makes this week so fun.

+infinity

This is one of the great weeks of the year. Rivalry games don't get much better than this. And when both teams have been playing at a high level like these two have so far this year, it just amps up the anticipation that much more. With the Cotton Bowl now holding over 90,000, the atmosphere should be incredible.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by duckman

Oklahoma 57531
Texas -3

"Ditka will find a way."

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by cartman

This is one of the great weeks of the year. Rivalry games don't get much better than this. And when both teams have been playing at a high level like these two have so far this year, it just amps up the anticipation that much more. With the Cotton Bowl now holding over 90,000, the atmosphere should be incredible.

For those who aren't familiar with this rivalry, the Cotton Bowl in Dallas is equidistant from Norman, OK and Austin, TX (about 175 miles from each campus). The tickets are split 50/50, and unlike most neutral sites, the split is on the 50 yard line, not in the end zone.

[Karlifornia]

The Redneck River Shootout is this week? Let's get to the video roundup!!!

Fans that aren't from places like Oklahoma usually drink champagne, or aged scotch, to celebrate a local team victory. In GarthBrooksville, they do it differently:





Here is a little clip of the University of Texas at Austin and Oklahoma University debate teams hashing out a civil disagreement:




And here is the new provost at the University of Texas (Austin) rooting on the Horns:

[Vegas Vic]

After a rousing pep talk from head coach Barry Switzer, quarterback Troy Aikman and linebacker Brian Bosworth lead the Sooners to victory in 1985.

[cartman]

I don't think the "pep" in the 80s Sooners locker room came from talks...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Meh. Neither team will represent the Big 12 in the national championship game.

[sooner333]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Meh. Neither team will represent the Big 12 in the national championship game.

Kansas?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sooner333

Kansas?

OU diploma?

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Meh. Neither team will represent the Big 12 in the national championship game.

This is coming from a fan of a team that is 3-30 (.091) against Oklahoma since 1970, and is 0-7 against Bob Stoops, including 0-2 last year.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

This is coming from a fan of a team that is 3-30 (.091) against Oklahoma since 1970, and is 0-7 against Bob Stoops, including 0-2 last year.

And hadn't won against Nebraska since.......oh, wait.

The Big 12 championship will not be played in Texas this year, nor will it resemble anything remotely neutral.

[Huckleberry]

College football new money is funny.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

And hadn't won against Nebraska since.......oh, wait.

You're likening the creampuff that you beat in Lincoln this year to those Tom Osborne juggernauts that used to wipe the field with you guys?

And I thought Texas A&M had delusional fans.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

You're likening the creampuff that you beat in Lincoln this year to those Tom Osborne juggernauts that used to wipe the field with you guys?

And I thought Texas A&M had delusional fans.

On the contrary. I thought you were smarter than that. I'm saying that the past matters little. OU and MU are both good teams, but we're playing at Arrowhead this year, which is the same stadium where they'll play the week before that against Kansas. The crowd will be at least 65% MU fans. It's a whole different situation than what happened last year.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

OU and MU are both good teams, but we're playing at Arrowhead this year, which is the same stadium where they'll play the week before that against Kansas. The crowd will be at least 65% MU fans. It's a whole different situation than what happened last year.

It will also be a different situation in that OU won't have to beat the same team twice in one year. However, to get back to your statement about Arrowhead Stadium -- in 2000, OU beat #2 Kansas State during the regular season, then beat them again at Arrowhead Stadium in the Big XII Championship game, where over 2/3 of the crowd were KSU fans.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

It will also be a different situation in that OU won't have to beat the same team twice in one year. However, to get back to your statement about Arrowhead Stadium -- in 2000, OU beat #2 Kansas State during the regular season, then beat them again at Arrowhead Stadium in the Big XII Championship game, where over 2/3 of the crowd were KSU fans.

No question that OU (or UT for that matter) will have earned it if they pull it off, but it's obviously a much different situation than last year's title game. I don't need to tell a Vegas resident that the home team (or closer to home team) is at an advantage.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

It will also be a different situation in that OU won't have to beat the same team twice in one year. However, to get back to your statement about Arrowhead Stadium -- in 2000, OU beat #2 Kansas State during the regular season, then beat them again at Arrowhead Stadium in the Big XII Championship game, where over 2/3 of the crowd were KSU fans.

How did the 2003 game in Arrowhead go? I wish I would have cared about a championship game in Arrowhead before. Maybe someday.

Also, did you know that Missouri's North Division championship in football last year was the first time they had won any of the following Big 12 titles?:

Football Division Championship
Basketball Regular Season Championship
Basketball Tournament Championship
Baseball Regular Season Championship
Baseball Tournament Championship

They were the last school to win one of the above. I think they still have two softball championships as their only Big 12 titles. Two conference championships out of around 340 handed out in the first 12 years of the conference.

I may have posted this here before, but that fact amazes me. Missouri is a program that I think of as fairly strong. That they have fewer conference titles than any other program is weird.

[Butter]

Is Missouri playing in the game this weekend too? If not, can we STFU about Missouri?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

How did the 2003 game in Arrowhead go? I wish I would have cared about a championship game in Arrowhead before. Maybe someday.

Also, did you know that Missouri's North Division championship in football last year was the first time they had won any of the following Big 12 titles?:

Football Division Championship
Basketball Regular Season Championship
Basketball Tournament Championship
Baseball Regular Season Championship
Baseball Tournament Championship

They were the last school to win one of the above. I think they still have two softball championships as their only Big 12 titles. Two conference championships out of around 340 handed out in the first 12 years of the conference.

I may have posted this here before, but that fact amazes me. Missouri is a program that I think of as fairly strong. That they have fewer conference titles than any other program is weird.

Up until recently with the major fundraising implemented by Alden, Mizzou had one of the bottom 3 budgets in the Big 12. Their budget was only 1/6th what Texas had. It's not all that hard to see why Mizzou wasn't competitive in the Big 12 in the sports you mention up until recently, when they've had substantial improvements to facilities in football, basketball, and baseball, and have tripled their operating budget. It's amazing what a little money can do for your programs.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Is Missouri playing in the game this weekend too? If not, can we STFU about Missouri?

I'm amazed that a game between the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the Big 12 warrants its own thread.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Is Missouri playing in the game this weekend too? If not, can we STFU about Missouri?

Yeah, this isn't exactly what I had planned for this thread. I was hoping to get some trash talk from Cartman, Huckleberry, IMetTrentGreen, Senator, hell, even Hornsmaniac if he chose to come back.

For you non-OU or non-Texas fans, this rivalry isn't about political correctness and sportsmanship (like OU/Nebraska). Mutual hatred and trash talking is an integral part of the rivalry, and it's part of getting into the spirit of the Red River Rivalry.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I'm amazed that a game between the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the Big 12 warrants its own thread.

This is just so darn cute coming from a Tiger fan.

Vic -

OU sucks.

[Dr. Sak]

Last time I checked Missouri hasn't won a conference championship since 1969, but by the way their fans act, you'd think they are a great program with a longstanding winning tradition.

[Lathum]

Can someone explain to me the relevance of what any college football team accomplished 5 years ago or 8 years ago when not one player from either of those teams is still on the team ( barring any odd redshirt situation)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Last time I checked Missouri hasn't won a conference championship since 1969, but by the way their fans act, you'd think they are a great program with a longstanding winning tradition.

Mizzou doesn't need a long-standing winning tradition to stomp a mudhole in OU or UT when they enter Arrowhead later this year.

[JeeberD]

Man, I need to edit the name of this thread. PC bullshit sucks...

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Mizzou doesn't need a long-standing winning tradition to stomp a mudhole in OU or UT when they enter Arrowhead later this year.

Someone needs to pull out some of your gems from before the last two times Mizzou was supposed to blow away OU.

The part that makes me want to vomit is that the OU fans and Texas fans are in solidarity in this thread against Missouri. Get MBBF out of here so we can go back to hating each other, the way God intended.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Cuckoo

Someone needs to pull out some of your gems from before the last two times Mizzou was supposed to blow away OU.

The part that makes me want to vomit is that the OU fans and Texas fans are in solidarity in this thread against Missouri. Get MBBF out of here so we can go back to hating each other, the way God intended.

Without question, your first comment is totally without merit. OU was favored in both of those games. There was literally no one that claimed that MU would 'blow out' OU, including myself.

I agree that OU and UT fans should get back to bashing each other. Someone has to take the mantle of '1st Loser' in this conference.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Someone has to take the mantle of '1st Loser' in this conference.

Why? Are your arms getting tired?

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I'm amazed that a game between the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the Big 12 warrants its own thread.

Really? I think your a little of base with that comment because from what i have seen so far this season OU would likely beat you guys by 14+ and Texas would give you all a tough game.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Noop

Really? I think your a little of base with that comment because from what i have seen so far this season OU would likely beat you guys by 14+ and Texas would give you all a tough game.

I thought this was a trash talking thread.

FWIW......OU and MU are pretty much on par at this point. Texas is a small step behind, but they're still awfully good and could make the Sooner faithful fall into a deep depression with a win.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Noop

Really? I think your a little of base with that comment because from what i have seen so far this season OU would likely beat you guys by 14+ and Texas would give you all a tough game.

NOT THEY WOULDN'T. CHASE DANIELS WOULD THROW ALL OVER BOTH TEAMS. MIZZOU IS THE GREATEST OFFENSE EVER TO PLAY IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. CHASE DANIELS WALKS ON WATER. JEREMY MACLIN ONCE BEAT SUPERMAN IN A RACE AND MACLIN HAD 3 SPRAINED ANKLES.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Why? Are your arms getting tired?

We've already turned in the 1st Loser trophy back to conference officials. Certainly not the trophy we're planning on retrieving this year.

FWIW.....We're going to have a great idea of where all these teams stand in relation to each other after Mizzou plays Texas.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Can someone explain to me the relevance of what any college football team accomplished 5 years ago or 8 years ago when not one player from either of those teams is still on the team ( barring any odd redshirt situation)

IMO it is about tradition. I think teams that have been historically good have a right to trash talk while the ones that have only popped up in a few years, shouldn't be so arrogant.

Btw, it's funny that you mention this because you jump all over Phillies fans when they talk trash and haven't won anything (as far as Championships) as compared to the Mets. But last time I checked Doc Gooden and Tom Seaver are long gone.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

NOT THEY WOULDN'T. CHASE DANIELS WOULD THROW ALL OVER BOTH TEAMS. MIZZOU IS THE GREATEST OFFENSE EVER TO PLAY IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. CHASE DANIELS WALKS ON WATER. JEREMY MACLIN ONCE BEAT SUPERMAN IN A RACE AND MACLIN HAD 3 SPRAINED ANKLES.

Don't over exaggerate. Maclin had two sprained ankles. Everything else is spot on.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

IMO it is about tradition. I think teams that have been historically good have a right to trash talk while the ones that have only popped up in a few years, shouldn't be so arrogant.

Btw, it's funny that you mention this because you jump all over Phillies fans when they talk trash and haven't won anything (as far as Championships) as compared to the Mets. But last time I checked Doc Gooden and Tom Seaver are long gone.

I'm all for trash talking, tradition, etc... but it seems to me people are putting it in a much more factual way in this instance. Almost making it seem like Missouri cant beat OU because OU stomped them in 2000.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm all for trash talking, tradition, etc... but it seems to me people are putting it in a much more factual way in this instance. Almost making it seem like Missouri cant beat OU because OU stomped them in 2000.

OU won last year, which might bear a bit more relevance.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

JEREMY MACLIN ONCE BEAT SUPERMAN IN A RACE AND MACLIN HAD 3 SPRAINED ANKLES.

[Lathum]

Put it in the books.

10/1 Mizzou is going down at Baylor.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

IMO it is about tradition. I think teams that have been historically good have a right to trash talk while the ones that have only popped up in a few years, shouldn't be so arrogant.

Btw, it's funny that you mention this because you jump all over Phillies fans when they talk trash and haven't won anything (as far as Championships) as compared to the Mets. But last time I checked Doc Gooden and Tom Seaver are long gone.

How about the fact that the head coaches are still the same and some major components of both coaching staffs are still the same (unfortunately for Texas in one glaring example)? There is definitely some relevance from games 5 and 8 years ago in the Texas/OU situation, for example.

By the way, I put up the following information in a couple of other places that was interesting to note:

Originally Posted by Huckleberry somewhere else so context may be off

I'm not betting the house on a win or anything, but it's weird that nobody pays any attention to what's happened recently. Basically since Carl Reese retired. Since that happened, OU has scored, in order:

12 (34.77, 17.9, 25.75, 27.06)
12 (26.92, 16.4, 25.75, 17.43)
10 (30.29, 18.3, 23.01, 25.78)
28 (42.29, 25.3, 27.06, 41.04)

In parentheses is the average number of points per game that OU scored, we allowed, the national average in those years, then the log5 expectation for the number of points OU should have scored against us. I'll admit, I'm a little worried about our defense in this game because of OU's holding and Bradford's accuracy. But as shown above, OU has failed to do even what they were supposed to do against our defense the past four years. Only once have they even been within a touchdown of their expected point total against us, and that was during a 45-12 asskicking in 2005.

Don't get me started on OU's systemic and clearly coached holding strategy. As explained on this board before, I think it's on our staff to stop being such pussies and make a big deal out of it. So I don't blame OU's staff for doing something that helps them win that nobody does anything about. Plus it makes their asskickings in bowl games called by non-Big 12 officials more entertaining.

Originally Posted by Huckleberry on the same other board later in the thread

Oh, and for the record, this model does not account for schedule difficulty. I say that because I just ran the Texas offensive numbers and here they are (same time frame but this one can be described as "since Mike Stoops left Oklahoma"):

2004 - 0 (35.25, 16.8, 25.75, 24.07)
2005 - 45 (50.15, 23.1, 25.75, 46.56)
2006 - 28 (35.92, 17.3, 23.01, 28.18)
2007 - 21 (37.23, 20.3, 27.06, 28.94)

Expected Texas total this weekend based on the model is 31.19 points. Of course, my overall ratings say that Texas will lose by 12.55 points despite the apparent 2.5 point advantage in this model. Essentially our schedule has not been nearly as hard as Oklahoma's from a raw point totals perspective. Let's hope that this model is right and the ratings are wrong. After all, the ratings say that our schedule has been nearly as hard but we haven't dominated the same. I'm inclined to say that the points total model is less optimized than the ratings, but that's no fun. What's Texas/OU without hope?

And since someone will probably wonder, I called it a log5 method, but it's obviously modified with some tweaking required. Seems to work out logically, though.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Put it in the books.

10/1 Mizzou is going down at Baylor.

Kenny Gregory agrees.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

FWIW......OU and MU are pretty much on par at this point. Texas is a small step behind, but they're still awfully good and could make the Sooner faithful fall into a deep depression with a win.

As much as it pains me to have to defend Texas, they are undefeated under Mack Brown the week following the OU game. The Missouri/Texas game is in Austin, and Texas has a markedly better defense and defensive coordinator than Missouri, and that will be the difference in that game.

Now, back to the trash talking.....

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

As much as it pains me to have to defend Texas, they are undefeated under Mack Brown the week following the OU game.

That's obviously a flashy stat to throw around each year in Vegas, but it holds very little value overall. There's some tremendous stinkers in there. Out of all of those games you mention, the matchup in 2002 vs. KSU and the 2005 matchup against Mizzou ay nd Brad Smith were the only meaningful matchups against good opponents (and Mizzou fans would likely argue that Mizzou wasn't even that much of a matchup. They won those two matchups by a combined 11 points. They won, but neither win was overwhelming. The rest of the games would have been a major upset if Texas lost them, hence the reason the stat isn't all that convincing.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

That's obviously a flashy stat to throw around each year in Vegas, but it holds very little value overall. There's some tremendous stinkers in there. Out of all of those games you mention, the matchup in 2002 vs. KSU and the 2005 matchup against Mizzou ay nd Brad Smith were the only meaningful matchups against good opponents (and Mizzou fans would likely argue that Mizzou wasn't even that much of a matchup. They won those two matchups by a combined 11 points. They won, but neither win was overwhelming. The rest of the games would have been a major upset if Texas lost them, hence the reason the stat isn't all that convincing.

Games after OU under Brown:

1998: Beat Baylor 30-20 on the road (stinker)
1999: Beat Nebraska 24-20 at home (Nebraska won the Big 12 and finished the year 12-1 after beating Tennessee in the Fiesta Bowl)
2000: Beat Colorado 28-14 on the road (stinker)
2001: Beat Oklahoma St. 45-17 on the road (stinker)
2002: Beat Kansas St. 17-14 on the road (Kansas St. finished 11-2)
2003: Beat Iowa St. 40-19 on the road (stinker)
2004: Beat Missouri 28-20 at home (stinker)
2005: Beat Colorado 42-17 at home (Colorado won the North and was 4-1 and ranked)
2006: Beat Baylor 63-13 at home (stinker)
2007: Beat Iowa St. 56-3 on the road (stinker)

There are two very big wins in there and one fairly big win. I think it's funny you included 2004 (not 2005) Missouri but not 1999 Nebraska. Seriously? I think you probably overlooked 1999.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Games after OU under Brown:

1998: Beat Baylor 30-20 on the road (stinker)
1999: Beat Nebraska 24-20 at home (Nebraska won the Big 12 and finished the year 12-1 after beating Tennessee in the Fiesta Bowl)
2000: Beat Colorado 28-14 on the road (stinker)
2001: Beat Oklahoma St. 45-17 on the road (stinker)
2002: Beat Kansas St. 17-14 on the road (Kansas St. finished 11-2)
2003: Beat Iowa St. 40-19 on the road (stinker)
2004: Beat Missouri 28-20 at home (stinker)
2005: Beat Colorado 42-17 at home (Colorado won the North and was 4-1 and ranked)
2006: Beat Baylor 63-13 at home (stinker)
2007: Beat Iowa St. 56-3 on the road (stinker)

There are two very big wins in there and one fairly big win. I think it's funny you included 2004 (not 2005) Missouri but not 1999 Nebraska. Seriously? I think you probably overlooked 1999.

I went to 2000. I thought Brown came on then, but obviously I was mistaken. Either way, your list proves the point. That stat is making it seem like more than it really is. 3 good wins in 11 games (I noted that the Mizzou win was even a weak one in my post. Those betting line stats are always a bit silly. If you play a good team one week, the odds are that you're going to face a lesser opponent the next week.

[Vegas Vic]

OK, enough of the threadjack by the Big XII North wannabe, it's less than 72 hours to kickoff!

"Make it Stop!!!"

And yes, "He Who Walks on Water" speaks at the 1:30 mark.