Judge sentences O.J. Simpson to prison

[CleBrownsfan]

At least 15 years.... justice is finally served! See you in hell OJ

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[Kodos]

Awesome. I hope he never gets out.

[GrantDawg]

He'll be up for parole in five. He'll be out in five.

[Noop]

So much hate for the man. I will never understand why some of you hate him so much.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Noop

So much hate for the man. I will never understand why some of you hate him so much.

Because some of us believe he got away with murdering 2 people.

[Kodos]

Because he got away with murdering 2 people, perhaps?

Edit: Damn you, EF27!

[Noop]

Interesting I wonder why he wasn't found guilty if you all are so certain he did it.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Noop

Interesting I wonder why he wasn't found guilty if you all are so certain he did it.

Were you old enough to watch that travesty of a trial? The guy all but admitted he did it when he wrote that book.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Originally Posted by Noop

Interesting I wonder why he wasn't found guilty if you all are so certain he did it.

I have a feeling I'll regret asking this, but do you feel that the cops didn't commit a crime in beating Rodney King because they were acquitted?

[Eaglesfan27]

Because the criminal justice system isn't perfect. Heck, I loved the guy before he in all probability killed two people, as he is one of the greatest football players USC ever has had. However, the trial certainly didn't convince me he was innocent, nor did his wonderful book, "If I did it" or whatever it was called.

[Noop]

Was not old enough to remember the Rodney King stuff and also never saw the video. Only think i remember about O.J. is my teacher making us listen on the radio to the verdict. She was pissed and I was confused.

[cartman]

There was an interesting piece written that placed the killings on O.J.'s son. The condensed version was O.J. got a message from his son that he was going to do something bad to Nicole. So O.J. rushed over, but the two had already been killed by the time he got there.

[sabotai]

The trial was an absolute joke. I wasn't pissed when the verdict came in because I knew months before they finished the trial that there was no way they could get a conviction. From the judge to the prosecutors to the police who conducted the investigation, the whole thing was just completely botched by everyone from the start.

But if we are using just the results of trials, it should be noted that O.J. is 1-1 on the trials regarding his alleged murders.

[Lathum]

I'm not so sure he gets out in 5.

He is going to do time for killing his wife and Goldman. Which in my opinion he did.

I hope he gets stabbed in prison and gets what he deserves. The only shame is he can't be murdered twice.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Noop

So much hate for the man. I will never understand why some of you hate him so much.

I know you are to young to remember, but for my generation it will go down as THE trial of the century. And not in a good way. The amount of media coverage was beyond anything you could comprehend and the whole trial turned into a joke. For me what was worse was the way he and his lawyers were so smug about it. His coming out with that book was a travesty.

I actually think it is probably a good thing he was found innocent. Had he been found guilty the riots that would have ensued would have been worse then Rodney King.

[Karlifornia]

lol@ ESPN with their "breaking news" of this. They interrupted one pile of garbage (First Take) with another pile of garbage (OJ).

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

He'll be up for parole in five. He'll be out in five.

Article I read says he won't be eligible for 9'ish.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Article I read says he won't be eligible for 9'ish.

Yeah, that's the reports now. The talking heads earlier were saying 5.

[PackerFanatic]

Yeah it has been changed to up to 33 with parole in 9. Interesting.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Yeah it has been changed to up to 33 with parole in 9. Interesting.

Yeah, it's confusing. max sentence of 33, minimum of 15, with parole no sooner than 9.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

It is amazing how many coke fiends are murdered without people vehemently wishing multiple deaths upon the accused.

[Edward64]

I saw the trial. The glove did not fit and there did not seem to be enough blood evidence in his car.

But yeah, he probably did it.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I saw the trial. The glove did not fit and there did not seem to be enough blood evidence in his car.

But yeah, he probably did it.

Gloves have a way of shrinking when they're drenched with blood and then kept in a freezer as evidence.

Most importantly, Mark Fuhrman used the n-word in 1986. That's why OJ was acquitted. That was a worse crime to that jury than double murder.

[Buccaneer]

Reason to hate OJ? Don't forget a defense team that very, very few would be able to get. Maybe Noop is angling to be one of those celebrity lawyers since The Trial was a mockery. Hopefully future lawyers will learn from that.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Reason to hate OJ? Don't forget a defense team that very, very few would be able to get. Maybe Noop is angling to be one of those celebrity lawyers since The Trial was a mockery. Hopefully future lawyers will learn from that.

For which side? The prosecution or the defense?

I am pretty sure this trial was exhibit #1 for defense attorneys on how to take advantage of an overmatched prosecution team.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

It is amazing how many coke fiends are murdered without people vehemently wishing multiple deaths upon the accused.

Are you saying Goldman and Mrs Simpson got what they deserved? If you are that is beyond ignorant.

Originally Posted by Edward64

I saw the trial. The glove did not fit and there did not seem to be enough blood evidence in his car.

But yeah, he probably did it.

The fact that he hightailed it down the freeway in said car should have been enough.

Innocent people don't run, they wonder WTF is going on.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Are you saying Goldman and Mrs Simpson got what they deserved? If you are that is beyond ignorant.

No... just pointing out that Nicole has been practically turned into Mother Teresa. In reality, you had a woman who most of us wouldn't have put up with, let alone paid $50,000/week to her coke dealers. Mix in that O.J. had a temper... I think it's likely that O.J. did it, but still think there is a slight chance he didn't, but knew who did and was keeping his mouth shut for whatever reason.

It's a f*cked up situation all around with a whole bunch of weirdoes (Kato anyone?) living on the fame and fortune of one guy who whether he did it or not has a serious attitude problem.

I just think this would happen to be a minor footnote in history if his wife hadn't been a smoking hot blond (who was white,) and he hadn't been arguably the most famous former athlete turned actor (who is black.)

Way too much attention.

But really, congratulations to everyone who feels they gained a personal victory today. See you in nine years when he is paroled and you can continue to pray for his inevitable death, and lament that he was not found on a prison floor gutted like a swine. (Or if you get your wish, I hope you can go outside and breathe a full, glorious breath of contentment.)

We live in a sick world.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

We live in a sick world.

your correct about that. It doesn't matter is she was green, he killed 2 people and got away with it, then was dumb enough to be beyond smug about it, then even dumber to get into more trouble.

[molson]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

I just think this would happen to be a minor footnote in history if his wife hadn't been a smoking hot blond (who was white,) and he hadn't been arguably the most famous former athlete turned actor (who is black.)

Way too much attention.

Yes, it'd be a footnote if the murderer wasn't a Hall of Fame Football player, that's not any kind of statement on society.

We react the murders we have some kind of connection to - when it's a family member, a friend, a co-worker, or in modern times, celebrities, someone we've heard of and known of our whole lives. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about that. If I hear "Jack Johnson murdered his wife and kids", sure, I hate whoever the hell "Jack Johnson" is, but I hate him MORE if I know his face, know his voice, or were familiar in any way with his victims, because all of that makes it more REAL to us.

It's why a murder in Austria isn't front page news is Cleveland, but a murder in Cleveland certainly would be. That's not something wrong with humanity, we just care more if it has something to do with us.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by molson

Yes, it'd be a footnote if the murderer wasn't a Hall of Fame Football player, that's not any kind of statement on society.

We react the murders we have some kind of connection to - when it's a family member, a friend, a co-worker, or in modern times, celebrities, someone we've heard of and known of our whole lives. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about that. If I hear "Jack Johnson murdered his wife and kids", sure, I hate whoever the hell "Jack Johnson" is, but I hate him MORE if I know his face, know his voice, or were familiar in any way with his victims, because all of that makes it more REAL to us.

It's why a murder in Austria isn't front page news is Cleveland, but a murder in Cleveland certainly would be. That's not something wrong with humanity, we just care more if it has something to do with us.

I was upset by the Simpson thing for just this reason. He was someone in the celebrity realm I knew and liked, and he proved to be just pure evil. What his wife looked like had nothing to do with it (heck, I still couldn't pick her picture out of a line up), nor the color of his skin. It would be Joe Montana butchering two people in cold blood. And I can't imagine I'd act any differently (until Simpson took the runner, I really didn't think he did it).

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

I'm 100% sure that, all other things being equal, I would feel the same if OJ had been white and Nicole black. It doesn't matter that she was using cocaine, that doesn't mean her murder is any less shocking. The fact that people are upset at a man committing murder and getting away with it gets twisted into accusations of racism makes me think we live in a sick world.

[Crim]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

It is amazing how many coke fiends are murdered without people vehemently wishing multiple deaths upon the accused.

I don't understand.

[Crim]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

No... just pointing out that Nicole has been practically turned into Mother Teresa. In reality, you had a woman who most of us wouldn't have put up with, let alone paid $50,000/week to her coke dealers. Mix in that O.J. had a temper... I think it's likely that O.J. did it, but still think there is a slight chance he didn't, but knew who did and was keeping his mouth shut for whatever reason.

It's a f*cked up situation all around with a whole bunch of weirdoes (Kato anyone?) living on the fame and fortune of one guy who whether he did it or not has a serious attitude problem.

I just think this would happen to be a minor footnote in history if his wife hadn't been a smoking hot blond (who was white,) and he hadn't been arguably the most famous former athlete turned actor (who is black.)

Way too much attention.

But really, congratulations to everyone who feels they gained a personal victory today. See you in nine years when he is paroled and you can continue to pray for his inevitable death, and lament that he was not found on a prison floor gutted like a swine. (Or if you get your wish, I hope you can go outside and breathe a full, glorious breath of contentment.)

We live in a sick world.

I find most of your post bewildering, M. But the bolded part I agree with, to an extent. Remember the Beretta wife killing, it didn't rise to the level of the OJ trial by any means, but it did get a lot of coverage.

What you have to understand about OJ, though, is that he was like pre-Michael Jordan. Everybody liked the guy, a ridiculously talented athlete, in-demand pitchman, funny and articulate on screen. Add in Nicole's smoking-hot blondeness, and BAM media circus beyond anything we'd ever seen before.

[GrantDawg]

I need to read up on this difference in reports on when he is up for parole. The judge actually says "at least 15 and eligible for parole in 5" when she reads the sentence.

[Crim]

I meant to add this yesterday but forgot:

OJ Simpson: Not a Jew!
But guess who is, hall-of-famer Rod Carew

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Crim

I find most of your post bewildering, M. But the bolded part I agree with, to an extent. Remember the Beretta wife killing, it didn't rise to the level of the OJ trial by any means, but it did get a lot of coverage.

Remember the Phil Spector trial? Brings a woman home, shoots her and says she commited suicide. Hung jury. He got away with it. Where's the outrage?

To try and say race doesn't enter the picture with OJ seems really, really naive considering both of these cases. People just don't like to admit it but they really don't get their panties in a bunch over a white murderer getting away with it but a black one they hold the deepest hate for. Hmmm.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Axxon

To try and say race doesn't enter the picture with OJ seems really, really naive considering both of these cases. People just don't like to admit it but they really don't get their panties in a bunch over a white murderer getting away with it but a black one they hold the deepest hate for. Hmmm.

Or you can flip it and say the black community was happy for OJ because he got away with murdering a white woman.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Or you can flip it and say the black community was happy for OJ because he got away with murdering a white woman.

Hmm, I did say "To try and say race doesn't enter the picture with OJ seems really, really naive."

Flipping it really just reinforces that the issue was race. Doesn't matter which one is supposedly acting racist since I'd expect whites to blame the black community and the black one to blame the white one. The OJ case was a referendum on race in America far more than it was about a particular double murder.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Remember the Phil Spector trial? Brings a woman home, shoots her and says she commited suicide. Hung jury. He got away with it. Where's the outrage?

To try and say race doesn't enter the picture with OJ seems really, really naive considering both of these cases. People just don't like to admit it but they really don't get their panties in a bunch over a white murderer getting away with it but a black one they hold the deepest hate for. Hmmm.

OJ Simpson's way more famous than Phil Spector (or Robert Blake). There's PLENTY of other black murderers in the US that people don't "get their panties in a bunch over", because nobody's heard of them.

But maybe you're right, maybe we're all racist because we speak out against OJ on a message board. Hey, at least there wasn't a riot.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by molson

OJ Simpson's way more famous than Phil Spector (or Robert Blake). There's PLENTY of other black murderers in the US that people don't "get their panties in a bunch over", because nobody's heard of them.

But maybe you're right, maybe we're all racist because we speak out against OJ on a message board. Hey, at least there wasn't a riot.

OJ more famous than Phil Spector? Not a chance. Phil is extremely famous in the music industry. Of course, I guess since he didn't run a football that doesn't count.

Spector is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Rolling Stone rated him the 63rd Greatest Artist of All Time. He cowrote and produced the song with the most U.S. air play in the 20th century. I'm banking he has earned far more wealth from his career than OJ has as well.

It seems a bit dishonest to overlook his celebrity to try and justify the different reactions when a white celebrity kills than when a black one does.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Axxon

OJ more famous than Phil Spector? Not a chance. Phil is extremely famous in the music industry. Of course, I guess since he didn't run a football that doesn't count.

Raise your hand if you're "in the music industry."

(counts hands)

Okay, raise your hands if you follow college football...follow pro football...follow movies like Naked Gun...watch TV and see commercials...

(counts hands)

(counts hands)

(counts hands)

Better go take a break, this could take a while...

...

Honestly, are you saying that today's populace are going to care a wit about Phil Spector as much as OJ Simpson or as much as 1994-5's about OJ Simpson?

Come on, man, there's stretching things to make a point, but that's borderline ridiculous.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Raise your hand if you're "in the music industry."

(counts hands)

Okay, raise your hands if you follow college football...follow pro football...follow movies like Naked Gun...watch TV and see commercials...

(counts hands)

(counts hands)

(counts hands)

Better go take a break, this could take a while...

...

Honestly, are you saying that today's populace are going to care a wit about Phil Spector as much as OJ Simpson or as much as 1994-5's about OJ Simpson?

Come on, man, there's stretching things to make a point, but that's borderline ridiculous.

Gotcha, sports celebrities are the only celebrities that are real celebrities. You conveniently twist the argument from "in the music industry" to "watches football and sees crappy movies." Nice.

Now, how many people have seen the Naked Gun movies vs the people who've heard Phil Spector's work? I'm betting Spector wins. I'm not a musician and I sure as hell knew who he was when the news of his arrest broke. Can't help it if you hadn't. I know we have no way to prove either way but everybody I knew didn't ask 'who?' when the news broke.

By your logic, Merlin Olson is a bigger celebrity than Steven Spielberg.


I mean, how many people work in the movie industry?

( counts hands )

Okay, raise your hands if you follow college football...follow pro football...follow TV shows like Little House on the Prarie..watch TV and see commercials...

(counts hands)

(counts hands)

(counts hands)

Better go take a break, this could take a while...

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Gotcha, sports celebrities are the only celebrities that are real celebrities. You conveniently twist the argument from "in the music industry" to "watches football and sees crappy movies." Nice.

Now, how many people have seen the Naked Gun movies vs the people who've heard Phil Spector's work? I'm betting Spector wins. I'm not a musician and I sure as hell knew who he was when the news of his arrest broke. Can't help it if you hadn't. I know we have no way to prove either way but everybody I knew didn't ask 'who?' when the news broke.

By your logic, Merlin Olson is a bigger celebrity than Steven Spielberg.


I mean, how many people work in the movie industry?

( counts hands )

Okay, raise your hands if you follow college football...follow pro football...follow TV shows like Little House on the Prarie..watch TV and see commercials...

(counts hands)

(counts hands)

(counts hands)

Better go take a break, this could take a while...

So you can't see the big difference between OJ Simpson to the general public in 1994 (pre-Bronco chase), and Phil Spector in 2008?

If so, there is really no point, IMO, of even couting your opinion in this discussion because it is obvious you're not in touch with the realities of this situation.

You realize Phil Spector was never a performer right?

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So you can't see the big difference between OJ Simpson to the general public in 1994 (pre-Bronco chase), and Phil Spector in 2008?

If so, there is really no point, IMO, of even couting your opinion in this discussion because it is obvious you're not in touch with the realities of this situation.

You realize Phil Spector was never a performer right?

I do challenge it and it'd be just as easy to consider you the one out of touch. Let's face it Rum. you do realize that Spielberg was never a performer, right? So, like I said, using your logic, Olson is more famous than Spielberg. It's not true of course and more people are music fans than sports fans. If you're trying to say OJ is more famous on a football board I'd agree but to the general public, pre the super trial, OJ had at best a reputation for being the guy in the Naked Gun movies. B list celebrity at best if you're not a football fan.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Axxon

I do challenge it and it'd be just as easy to consider you the one out of touch. Let's face it Rum. you do realize that Spielberg was never a performer, right? So, like I said, using your logic, Olson is more famous than Spielberg. It's not true of course and more people are music fans than sports fans. If you're trying to say OJ is more famous on a football board I'd agree but to the general public, pre the super trial, OJ had at best a reputation for being the guy in the Naked Gun movies. B list celebrity at best if you're not a football fan.

Just curious how old you are?

OJ was a big celebrity before the Bronco chase, he was in a ton of endorsments, etc...

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Just curious how old you are?

OJ was a big celebrity before the Bronco chase, he was in a ton of endorsments, etc...

I'm 45 and I full well know both people well. Carrot Top was full of endorsements too but no one considered him the biggest star ever. OJ was a B list celebrity who was TRYING to break into acting and just had a lucky run as a supporting character in a successful franchise but he was NEVER considered the big star of the series or was a candidate for his own film even.

He just wasn't that famous. He was current curiosity at best. Unless you were a football fan. He's like The Rock or Roddy Piper. They hit a few good movies but outside of wrestling fans, no one would call them huge stars.

[Buccaneer]

This is so mind-boggling ludicrous. Spector was a behind-the-scenes guy that nearly no one has heard of (they know the music he produced but that's it). Even during the late 1960s, OJ was still more famous to the general population. And that fame only increased through the subsequent decades, while nearly no one still have not heard of Spector.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Axxon

I do challenge it and it'd be just as easy to consider you the one out of touch. Let's face it Rum. you do realize that Spielberg was never a performer, right? So, like I said, using your logic, Olson is more famous than Spielberg. It's not true of course and more people are music fans than sports fans. If you're trying to say OJ is more famous on a football board I'd agree but to the general public, pre the super trial, OJ had at best a reputation for being the guy in the Naked Gun movies. B list celebrity at best if you're not a football fan.

Directors and producers of movies, especially a long stretch of good ones like Spielberg did, get a lot more pub than similar music producers, and especially more recently (in the last 20 years).

Spector's pinnacle work was in the 60s. After that, he becomes a name people might have heard of, but that's about it.

I'm not saying OJ was putting up quality work, but those Naked Gun movies were popular, sports celebrities are well known even after they leave the field, and those Hertz commercials were everywhere for a while.

Sorry, I'm not accepting that a behind the scenes operator like Spector, even as one of the best ever, who did his most famous work in 60s and never once performed on a stage or had a hit he himself performed, had anything near comparable of a Q rating prior to the events discussed in his murder case in 2003 of what OJ had prior to the Bronco chase.

This is a man who was a recluse for the some 30 years prior, and who severely limited his work after his 1974 accident. He is very much "music industry" famous, as I suggest, while OJ Simpson was quite generally well-known and famous.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Axxon

I'm 45 and I full well know both people well. Carrot Top was full of endorsements too but no one considered him the biggest star ever. OJ was a B list celebrity who was TRYING to break into acting and just had a lucky run as a supporting character in a successful franchise but he was NEVER considered the big star of the series or was a candidate for his own film even.

He just wasn't that famous. He was current curiosity at best. Unless you were a football fan. He's like The Rock or Roddy Piper. They hit a few good movies but outside of wrestling fans, no one would call them huge stars.

Carrot Top has a higher Q rating than Phil Spector, too.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

This is so mind-boggling ludicrous. Spector was a behind-the-scenes guy that nearly no one has heard of (they know the music he produced but that's it). Even during the late 1960s, OJ was still more famous to the general population. And that fame only increased through the subsequent decades, while nearly no one still have not heard of Spector.

Anecdotal evidence != data.

No point arguing it. I'm not a professional musician but growing up, I knew who all the bands were, who was behind the music, styles etc. Just like the kids today. I knew who OJ was too but again, I was a football fan. Both of them were stars and both of them were extremely well known.

Oh, and man, that last sentence is a triple negative. I'm not sure what you were saying, but good point ( I think ).