Question: Why is Communism Bad?

ace1914 · 10-01-2009, 02:10 PM

Now just a general question to everyone here because I tend to find this the most insightful board for politics. My question is a devil's advocate type:

If Communism is so bad why on God's green Earth, why did China just pass us as the premier global power?

SackAttack · 10-01-2009, 02:12 PM

Well, off the top of my head...

1) How are you defining "premier global power"?
2) Are you sure China's system is purely Communist these days? Seems to me there's a fair bit of capitalism over there.

JediKooter · 10-01-2009, 02:13 PM

Toilet paper lines...

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-01-2009, 02:13 PM

China is just totalitarian at this point.

DeToxRox · 10-01-2009, 02:16 PM

YOU GOT ME BLACK LISTED FROM HOP SINGS?

lungs · 10-01-2009, 02:20 PM

Question: Why do you hate America?

Big Fo · 10-01-2009, 02:23 PM

USA's GDP is still more than double that of China and USA's military is still better as well. How in the heck would you say that China has passed us?

molson · 10-01-2009, 02:23 PM

Because "common ownership" really just means "government ownership".

MikeVic · 10-01-2009, 02:26 PM

I don't like political things, but for whatever reason I have an interest in Communism (don't like or hate it, just an interest for it).

With molson's comment, do you think the U.S. kind of did communistic things over the last few years? Bailouts, increased monitoring, etc...?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-01-2009, 02:28 PM

To get to the original point, I do think there there is a lot of irrational hatred of socialism that is culturally based. I also think there is a lot of rational dislike of socialism that is factually based.

Kodos · 10-01-2009, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I don't like political things, but for whatever reason I have an interest in Communism (don't like or hate it, just an interest for it).

With molson's comment, do you think the U.S. kind of did communistic things over the last few years? Bailouts, increased monitoring, etc...?

GET 'IM, BOYZ!

cartman · 10-01-2009, 02:30 PM

The theory of communism isn't bad in and of itself, but it hasn't been shown to be able to work in the myriad of implementations that have occurred. In every instance, the pendulum has swung harshly to the totalitarian side to try and enforce the communal idea.

DeToxRox · 10-01-2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I don't like political things, but for whatever reason I have an interest in Communism (don't like or hate it, just an interest for it).

With molson's comment, do you think the U.S. kind of did communistic things over the last few years? Bailouts, increased monitoring, etc...?

Klinglerware · 10-01-2009, 02:31 PM

Reminds me of the Zappa quote: "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff."

I don't think Communism is terrible from a theoretical standpoint, but from practical standpoint, human behavior typically precludes a pure implementation that works.

bob · 10-01-2009, 02:31 PM

In a perfect world, maybe communism is not bad. But we live in reality, where greed, envy, etc. exists. It can't work. And that doesn't even cover dealing with some people being lazy while others want to work hard so they have more.

RomaGoth · 10-01-2009, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ace1914

Now just a general question to everyone here because I tend to find this the most insightful board for politics. My question is a devil's advocate type:

If Communism is so bad why on God's green Earth, why did China just pass us as the premier global power?

They did?

gstelmack · 10-01-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bob

In a perfect world, maybe communism is not bad. But we live in reality, where greed, envy, etc. exists. It can't work. And that doesn't even cover dealing with some people being lazy while others want to work hard so they have more.

Yup. Communism removes the incentive to work hard to improve your position, so people naturally gravitate to doing no work. Totalitarianism has to step in to MAKE some people work, and then it's not really Communism, is it?

molson · 10-01-2009, 02:39 PM

Communism works if you have say, 10 guys in a frat house.

At some point, the number of people gets too big, and you'll lose the necessary connection to the group.

cartman · 10-01-2009, 02:42 PM

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 10-01-2009, 02:45 PM

From each according to ability, to each according to need only works if you give a flying crap about other people.

I don't. I wouldn't be a very good communist.

Dutch · 10-01-2009, 02:46 PM

Communism/Socialism at it's highest peak in Europe...

Eastern Bloc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Without exaggerating, it was an absolute economic disaster.

Passacaglia · 10-01-2009, 02:47 PM

I know the answer. How much is it worth to you?

molson · 10-01-2009, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

From each according to ability, to each according to need only works if you give a flying crap about other people.

I don't. I wouldn't be a very good communist.

It's even harder when its the government that decides who exactly you're required to give a flying crap about (at the expense of others), and to what degree.

AlexB · 10-01-2009, 02:58 PM

You mean like non-existent WMDs in Iraq?

Nogram · 10-01-2009, 03:02 PM

What is wrong with Communism?

Human Nature

Schmidty · 10-01-2009, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

From each according to ability, to each according to need only works if you give a flying crap about other people.

I don't. I wouldn't be a very good communist.

You don't care about me?

I'm sad now. I think I'm going to go lay down now.

Karlifornia · 10-01-2009, 03:06 PM

It hasn't worked in other places, and it assuredly wouldn't work here. I mean, do you realize how many assholes this country is filled with? Just driving to work, I encounter assholes cutting people off, giving each other the finger, weaving in and out of lanes.

When I get to work, there's a whole new round of assholes to deal with. The pushy customers that can never be satisfied, the lazy fellow employees that care only about showing up for a few minutes so they can tell their parents "See! I have a job!" and suckle at their teat for a few more years.

Then I get off work, and go out to the bar to have a drink or four. You've got the bartender that think he/she is God, and I should feel blessed to give them my money, and roll their eyes when you ask them do anything more than uncap a beer bottle. Then you have some jackass who can't handle his drunk being louder than everybody else combined, and knocking into you over and over again as you sit mortified on your stool.

You think that the people of this country could handle a system where everyone is treated equally, and is expected to do equal amounts of work?

Not on your fucking life, pal. That makes too much sense. This country needs a 4 bedroom house even though they only have one or two kids. This country needs a pickup truck or SUV despite not needing to haul anything. This country needs $100 tasting menus. The day we don't need all of that shit is the day communism ever has a chance of working.

Now, a Socialist Democracy could work, but a lot more people need to get a lot more pissed off before that ever happens.

RomaGoth · 10-01-2009, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

From each according to ability, to each according to need only works if you give a flying crap about other people.

I don't. I wouldn't be a very good communist.

That's probably a good thing. Not sure there is such a thing as a "good communist", is there?

SportsDino · 10-01-2009, 03:15 PM

I'm a fan of Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" as an answer to this question. Granted, the dude has his bias, but in my opinion the theme that socialism as a system fundamentally tends towards massive abuse of the populace is fairly correct. I'm of the group that thinks socialism beyond the limits of what a familial structure can maintain is pretty much impossible. It does boil down to 'human nature' in the end, not that people are incapable of living altruistically and communally, but that the system will always be corrupted by those that desire to exploit it, and corrupted quite badly.

Which is why I'm a big capitalism fanatic, although I am quite disgusted by the current state of it (as I've blathered on about numerous times before). As a system it offers the most mechanisms to defend against corruption, albeit seeming to do nothing specifically to prevent it. Whereas the entire appeal of communism is that the entire mechanism seems designed to fight corruption (maintain equality), but actually serves to hasten it and entrench the power once obtained.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 10-01-2009, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

You don't care about me?

I'm sad now. I think I'm going to go lay down now.

It's not you Schmidty, it's me.

I have some things I have to work out. I just need this time to myself right now.

RomaGoth · 10-01-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsDino

I'm a fan of Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" as an answer to this question. Granted, the dude has his bias, but in my opinion the theme that socialism as a system fundamentally tends towards massive abuse of the populace is fairly correct. I'm of the group that thinks socialism beyond the limits of what a familial structure can maintain is pretty much impossible. It does boil down to 'human nature' in the end, not that people are incapable of living altruistically and communally, but that the system will always be corrupted by those that desire to exploit it, and corrupted quite badly.

Which is why I'm a big capitalism fanatic, although I am quite disgusted by the current state of it (as I've blathered on about numerous times before). As a system it offers the most mechanisms to defend against corruption, albeit seeming to do nothing specifically to prevent it. Whereas the entire appeal of communism is that the entire mechanism seems designed to fight corruption (maintain equality), but actually serves to hasten it and entrench the power once obtained.

Agree with everything here. I will also add that human nature is exactly why there is no perfect form of government, because human nature will take its course and greed, corruption, and immoral behavior will invariably win out.

Autumn · 10-01-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

That's probably a good thing. Not sure there is such a thing as a "good communist", is there?

Sure, why not? This is the kind of thing i don't get. Maybe we all think communism is a poor choice for a system, but why do we treat them like they're "bad" inherently?

Solecismic · 10-01-2009, 03:28 PM

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gstelmack · 10-01-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsDino

Which is why I'm a big capitalism fanatic, although I am quite disgusted by the current state of it (as I've blathered on about numerous times before). As a system it offers the most mechanisms to defend against corruption, albeit seeming to do nothing specifically to prevent it.

Yeah, the real problem with capitalism, as evidenced by the Robber Baron era (and some would say the modern corporate era), is when some folks gain enough power/wealth to turn into dictators in their own right and crush competition by non-economic means. Kind of like how the Dems and Repubs have made it so difficult for a third-party to arise in our "Democracy" by controlling access to appearing on ballots and in debates...

But at least here in the States it remains possible to found a successful small business and turn it into enough of a success for one of the giant conglomerates to buy you out and set you up for life. People that complain about our economy always seem to forget how much mobility both up and down occurs regularly.

AlexB · 10-01-2009, 03:29 PM

If everybody was a 'good communist', the system would work perfectly. But as others have stated, there will always be the freeloaders, the crooked and the greedy, so the system is destined to fail.

Which are also the reasons why, again as others have stated, no system is perfect as the human race is inherently imperfect.

And to say/hint communism = evil and only socialists/communists are told by the state what to think are equally absurb statements. Everyone is manipulated, fooled and lied to by their governments, leaders and media on a daily basis

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-01-2009, 03:30 PM

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

JPhillips · 10-01-2009, 03:30 PM

Why is communism bad?

Hair styles.

Autumn · 10-01-2009, 03:31 PM

I think someone above probably hit it on the head. Communist style systems probably work best at the small scale, and quickly began to work poorly as you get beyond a cohesive social group. At the small scale though there's a lot we could learn about how to work cooperatively and egalitarian decision making.

Autumn · 10-01-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

It's why I wrap my sink in tinfoil. I will not be compromised!

DanGarion · 10-01-2009, 03:32 PM

Maybe the question you should ask first is... Why is Communism Good? Because I can't think of a single reason why it is.

Lathum · 10-01-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Sure, why not? This is the kind of thing i don't get. Maybe we all think communism is a poor choice for a system, but why do we treat them like they're "bad" inherently?

IMO that's a cultural thing. Most of us grew up in the 80's when Russia was a power and we feared them commies.

RomaGoth · 10-01-2009, 03:41 PM

I think the problem with communism, and socialism for that matter, is that people confuse equality with ability. While everyone deserves the basic rights (i.e., food, shelter, clothing, etc.), not everyone has the same abilities to maintain those rights. Capitalism is not perfect by any means, but I think it offers a better opportunity to separate the leaders from the followers. No matter what type of system you have, there will be greed and corruption. At least with capitalism, people have a chance at success and failure that does largely depend upon their abilities.

Autumn · 10-01-2009, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

IMO that's a cultural thing. Most of us grew up in the 80's when Russia was a power and we feared them commies.

Well yes, I get that. I guess I mean, why do we still do that, given that we've had plenty of time to think critically about it by now.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-01-2009, 03:42 PM

It's an American litmus test, making us feel as we are all on the same side against something.

Lathum · 10-01-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Well yes, I get that. I guess I mean, why do we still do that, given that we've had plenty of time to think critically about it by now.

I dunno. I guess it is just programmed.

Arles · 10-01-2009, 03:43 PM

To build on what Jim said, when you reduce incentive - you reduce output. There needs to be some reason to work 60 hours while others only work 20. If you take away that incentive, why would anyone work over 40 hours?

spleen1015 · 10-01-2009, 03:44 PM

Rocky showed you!

Autumn · 10-01-2009, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

I think the problem with communism, and socialism for that matter, is that people confuse equality with ability. While everyone deserves the basic rights (i.e., food, shelter, clothing, etc.), not everyone has the same abilities to maintain those rights. Capitalism is not perfect by any means, but I think it offers a better opportunity to separate the leaders from the followers. No matter what type of system you have, there will be greed and corruption. At least with capitalism, people have a chance at success and failure that does largely depend upon their abilities.

Not that I'm disagreeing that the system has problems, but it seems to me that's where communism gets it right. The fact that not everyone has the ability to obtain the things they need shouldn't mean they don't get it, with the right definition of need. I think we as a society believe that too, that's why we have things like disability for people incapable of providing for themselves.

RainMaker · 10-01-2009, 03:46 PM

Any system that pushes to an extreme has its flaws. Communism is one of them, just as a democracy and free market capitalism has it's flaws at an extreme.

Communisms biggest flaw is that it kills innovation and motivation. If there is no chance of you being able to raise to a higher social status, you don't care about your work. It gives the laziest people the same benefits as the hardest working.

It is funny how the word socialism has turned into some boogeyman. The country has always been part-socialist and wouldn't be where it is today without it. I guess it's no surprise that those who don't seem to know what socialism is are the same people who come from states with the poorest performing schools.

Autumn · 10-01-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Arles

To build on what Jim said, when you reduce incentive - you reduce output. There needs to be some reason to work 60 hours while others only work 20. If you take away that incentive, why would anyone work over 40 hours?

I agree that there's a lot of power behind incentive, and clearly on a society-wide scale, the capitalist incentive has worked better. But there are plenty of reasons to work over 40 hours beyond pay. People often work for the enjoyment, for the satisfaction of helping out or producing something. Much of the Internet is based on people doing things for no pay, but for other rewards.

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