Help Me Pick the New Mascot for the Cardinals

Abe Sargent · 09-09-2003, 02:41 PM

In my Madden 04 Dynasty, I am renaming the Cardinals as an attempt to sever all ties from the past. I heard about your board through backroom channels and I thought I'd come here and listen to your suggestions. Here is the thread where various documents and conversations are gathered for your perusal:

Madden 2004 Empty Cupboard

And, for your reference, here is a list of the mascot names we are considering. Leave your opinion here or in the above thread. Thanks for your support!

Bandits
Comets
Copperheads
Cyclones
Dynamos
Enforcers
Generals
Highlanders
Legends
Marauders
Marshalls
Monarchs
Railsplitters
Rattlers
Ravagers
Sandcrabs
Sandstorm
Scorpions
SkyChiefs
Starfire
Timber Rattlers
Timberwolves
Thunderwolves
Trailblazers
Warhawks
Zephyrs

-Abe Sargent
Owner, Arizona Cardinals (currently)

Draft Dodger · 09-09-2003, 02:43 PM

how about the Arizona Sux

JeeberD · 09-09-2003, 02:44 PM

Vote Sandcrabs! They only itch a little!

Butter · 09-09-2003, 02:47 PM

Marauders.

Or in the same vein as the Miami Heat, the Arizona Dry Heat.

cuervo72 · 09-09-2003, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anxiety

Starfire

How about Firestar?

http://www.tslendinga.com/Marvel/firestar.jpg

If you need a helmet....

Abe Sargent · 09-09-2003, 02:56 PM

I'd also be winning to take suggestions, that's fine. Here were the thoughts behind the selections:

Snakes - Copperheads, Rattlers, Timber Rattlers - With the Arizona Rattlers being an AFL team and the Diamondbacks, there is an established Arizona Snake theme. These names fit that theme. Othe possibilities might be Vipers, Pit Vipers, Sand Vipers, Pythons, etc.

Desert Themes - Scorpions, Sandcrabs, Sandstorm - These are meant to elicit desert-y time feels. Other possibilities might include Tumbleweeds, Cactii, and such.

Old West Themes - Marshalls, Enforcers, Trailblazers, Legends, Generals, Bandits - These mascots are meant to utilize the rich history of the area in the late 1800's. Other possibilities might include Mustangs, Ghost Town, Gold Rush, and so forth.

Indigineous People Themes - SkyChiefs, Thunderwolves, Timberwolves - Without being insensitive, we wanted to harness the rich heritage of the area.

Wind Themes - SkyChiefs, Sandstorm, Zephyrs, Cyclones - Wind is an element that we identify with here in Arizona. Other possibilities might be Tornados, Sandtwisters, etc.

Miscellaneous - Warhawks, Starfire, Railsplitters, Highlanders, Ravagers, Marauders, Comets, Dynamos, Monarchs - These were chose because they sound good or have a connection with the area. The Arizona Crater - Comets and Starfire. The Butterfly Migrations - Monarchs. And so on.

Feel free to use these suggestions as guidelines!!

-Abe Sargent
Owner, Arizona Cardinals (currently)

Franklinnoble · 09-09-2003, 03:01 PM

Copperheads has a nice double-meaning... it sticks with the snake theme, and it also pays homage to the fact that Arizona is the "Copper State."

cuervo72 · 09-09-2003, 03:07 PM

Well, I used Anasazi in my helmet thread - they were ancient peoples in the Southwest. For cacti, Saguaros would be appropriate. Oh, I used Windrunners for New Mexico (wind theme, obviously). And Rustlers (as in Rustler's Rooste.

Draft Dodger · 09-09-2003, 03:28 PM

I still like the Sux

RendeR · 09-09-2003, 03:38 PM

Use the copperheads, team colors in copper and tourquoise with white and black highlites.

Copper collored (mettalic) helmet with a snake themed logo in touqoise black and white.

Tourqouise jerseys for home games with copper colored pants and appropriate striping on jersey and pants.

quite a good looking team!

(did I set a record for mispelling tourqoise?)

samifan24 · 09-09-2003, 04:41 PM

Personally I like the Bandits or Marshalls...

sterlingice · 09-09-2003, 05:10 PM

I'd like to 3rd or 4th the vote for Sux.

SI

Abe Sargent · 09-09-2003, 05:16 PM

Sux no longer applies. Remember, we've every players, turned over our staff and coaches. This is not the same team as before, which is why we are changing the mascot - to lose that last tie with the old guard.

-Abe Sargent
Owner, Arizona Cardinals (currently)

Buzzbee · 09-09-2003, 05:27 PM

What about the Arizona Phoenix? Rise from the ashes of suckitude. A franchise reborn. Plus it's a good play on Phoenix Arizona.

GoldenEagle · 09-09-2003, 05:44 PM

I like Legends.

General Mike · 09-09-2003, 05:51 PM

I already voted for Copperheads in the other thread, as I think it makes alot of sense.

Ryche · 09-09-2003, 07:12 PM

Arizona Phoenix works well, or if you don't want quite as confusing a name, you could use Firebirds or Thunderbirds to keep it related.

Draft Dodger · 09-09-2003, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzzbee
What about the Arizona Phoenix? Rise from the ashes of suckitude. A franchise reborn. Plus it's a good play on Phoenix Arizona.

nice

Celeval · 09-09-2003, 07:42 PM

I like the Phoenix.

AZSpeechCoach · 09-09-2003, 08:02 PM

The Monsoon. Like the real series of thunderstorms each year, they can be overhyped and deliver little.

Buzzbee · 09-09-2003, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Draft Dodger
nice

Wow! It must be good if it got you away from the Arizona Sux mascot!!

Wolfpack · 09-09-2003, 08:59 PM

I had a fictitious league where I named the Phoenix franchise, which I eventually moved to Tucson (because the NFL wouldn't share Sun Devil Stadium) the Phoenix Blaze (or Sunburst or something like that). If I ever got to build a new fictional league, I was going to name the franchise the Arizona Scorpions.

Abe Sargent · 09-09-2003, 09:15 PM

I kind of think Scorpions is a dull name on its own. But, like Iron Scorpions or Red Scorpions or Sand Scorpions or Sun Scorpions or Fire Scorpions or something, that's good.

-Anxiety

Abe Sargent · 09-09-2003, 09:49 PM

As to Phoenix, we thought about it, it was sort of appropriate. But ultimately we thought it would be a but confusing. I also think that most people in the area think of Phoenix first as a city, then as a bird. Wouldn't want to name a team "Charleston" in South Carolina, now would I. "Welcome your South Carolina Charleston!" Even though Charleston may be a dance, people don't think about that first, but the city.

Now Thunderbird is good, One thing you have to think about is that sports announcers, writers, and fans will abbreviate things like Thunderbirds to T-Birds, which sounds pretty good. Timber Rattlers will probably shorten to T Rats, also good sounding. So take into account the shorter version of the name and if it sounds good.

-Abe Sargent
Owner, Arizona Cardinals (currently)

Leonidas · 09-10-2003, 03:02 PM

How bout The Bidwell's so you will never forget. Ever vigilant for the evil that lurks deep in ownership's soul.

Abe Sargent · 09-11-2003, 02:15 PM

Final choice was made - Copperheads. Check out the dynasty for the Bidwell reaction....

-Anxiety

Buzzbee · 09-11-2003, 03:24 PM

My suggestion for the new Team Song:

Well my name's John Lee Pettimore
Same as my daddy and his daddy before
You hardly ever saw Grandaddy down here
He only came to town about twice a year
He'd buy a hundred pounds of yeast and some copper line
Everybody knew that he made moonshine
Now the revenue man wanted Grandaddy bad
He headed up the holler with everything he had
It's before my time but I've been told
He never came back from Copperhead Road

Now Daddy ran the whiskey in a big block Dodge
Bought it at an auction at the Mason's Lodge
Johnson County Sheriff painted on the side
Just shot a coat of primer then he looked inside
Well him and my uncle tore that engine down
I still remember that rumblin' sound
Well the sheriff came around in the middle of the night
Heard mama cryin', knew something wasn't right
He was headed down to Knoxville with the weekly load
You could smell the whiskey burnin' down Copperhead Road

I volunteered for the Army on my birthday
They draft the white trash first,'round here anyway
I done two tours of duty in Vietnam
And I came home with a brand new plan
I take the seed from Colombia and Mexico
I plant it up the holler down Copperhead Road
Well the D.E.A.'s got a chopper in the air
I wake up screaming like I'm back over there
I learned a thing or two from ol' Charlie don't you know
You better stay away from Copperhead Road

QuikSand · 09-11-2003, 03:32 PM

Good call, Buzzbee. I'm a fan, too.

Buzzbee · 09-11-2003, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QuikSand
Good call, Buzzbee. I'm a fan, too.

Thank you.

General Mike · 09-11-2003, 05:06 PM

Abe Sargent · 09-11-2003, 10:18 PM

Credit to RendeR on his color scheme. You'll see a little nod in my most recent post over in my dynasty.

-Anxiety

Easy Mac · 09-11-2003, 10:30 PM

Marmosets

cuervo72 · 09-12-2003, 09:16 AM

Anxiety,

I don't know if this is what you had in mind, but here is my crack at the helmet based on what you had described in the dynasty. I did my best with the logo, if you can find a better base image I can redo it.

cuervo72 · 09-12-2003, 09:40 AM

Hmm, actually, this one might be better.

Abe Sargent · 09-12-2003, 09:45 AM

Second is better. I used the Madden '04 logo entitled "Snake" Its a snake head facing a person, not at an angle. Course, the logo doesn't matter much, since I can't get them to show in the franchise. So they are on the uniforms on the "Creat-a-team function.

The aqua is a little darker. I wanted less contrast with the copper.

But, that's a really good interpretation. I like it!!!

-Anxiety

cuervo72 · 09-12-2003, 10:00 AM

Thanks. I figure it's more difficult trying to do one for someone else's idea, as they already will have a picture of it in their head (or in this case, on Madden

). But, I figured I'd give it a try.

FWIW, here's the second one with the stripes/outlines darkened.

Abe Sargent · 09-12-2003, 10:02 AM

Yep, the turquoise is closer in that one - thanks!

-Anxiety

cuervo72 · 09-12-2003, 10:06 AM

09-09-2003, 02:43 PM	#2
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	how about the Arizona Sux __________________ Mile High Hockey

09-09-2003, 02:44 PM	#3
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Vote Sandcrabs! They only itch a little! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

09-09-2003, 02:47 PM	#4
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Marauders. Or in the same vein as the Miami Heat, the Arizona Dry Heat. __________________ My listening habits

09-09-2003, 02:56 PM	#6
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I'd also be winning to take suggestions, that's fine. Here were the thoughts behind the selections: Snakes - Copperheads, Rattlers, Timber Rattlers - With the Arizona Rattlers being an AFL team and the Diamondbacks, there is an established Arizona Snake theme. These names fit that theme. Othe possibilities might be Vipers, Pit Vipers, Sand Vipers, Pythons, etc. Desert Themes - Scorpions, Sandcrabs, Sandstorm - These are meant to elicit desert-y time feels. Other possibilities might include Tumbleweeds, Cactii, and such. Old West Themes - Marshalls, Enforcers, Trailblazers, Legends, Generals, Bandits - These mascots are meant to utilize the rich history of the area in the late 1800's. Other possibilities might include Mustangs, Ghost Town, Gold Rush, and so forth. Indigineous People Themes - SkyChiefs, Thunderwolves, Timberwolves - Without being insensitive, we wanted to harness the rich heritage of the area. Wind Themes - SkyChiefs, Sandstorm, Zephyrs, Cyclones - Wind is an element that we identify with here in Arizona. Other possibilities might be Tornados, Sandtwisters, etc. Miscellaneous - Warhawks, Starfire, Railsplitters, Highlanders, Ravagers, Marauders, Comets, Dynamos, Monarchs - These were chose because they sound good or have a connection with the area. The Arizona Crater - Comets and Starfire. The Butterfly Migrations - Monarchs. And so on. Feel free to use these suggestions as guidelines!! -Abe Sargent Owner, Arizona Cardinals (currently) __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-09-2003, 03:07 PM	#8
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Well, I used Anasazi in my helmet thread - they were ancient peoples in the Southwest. For cacti, Saguaros would be appropriate. Oh, I used Windrunners for New Mexico (wind theme, obviously). And Rustlers (as in Rustler's Rooste. __________________ null

09-09-2003, 03:01 PM	#7
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Copperheads has a nice double-meaning... it sticks with the snake theme, and it also pays homage to the fact that Arizona is the "Copper State."

09-09-2003, 03:28 PM	#9
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	I still like the Sux __________________ Mile High Hockey

09-09-2003, 03:38 PM	#10
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Use the copperheads, team colors in copper and tourquoise with white and black highlites. Copper collored (mettalic) helmet with a snake themed logo in touqoise black and white. Tourqouise jerseys for home games with copper colored pants and appropriate striping on jersey and pants. quite a good looking team! (did I set a record for mispelling tourqoise?) __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-09-2003, 04:41 PM	#11
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Personally I like the Bandits or Marshalls... __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

09-09-2003, 05:10 PM	#12
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I'd like to 3rd or 4th the vote for Sux. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

09-09-2003, 05:16 PM	#13
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Sux no longer applies. Remember, we've every players, turned over our staff and coaches. This is not the same team as before, which is why we are changing the mascot - to lose that last tie with the old guard. -Abe Sargent Owner, Arizona Cardinals (currently) __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-09-2003, 05:27 PM	#14
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	What about the Arizona Phoenix? Rise from the ashes of suckitude. A franchise reborn. Plus it's a good play on Phoenix Arizona. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

09-09-2003, 05:44 PM	#15
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	I like Legends. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

09-09-2003, 05:51 PM	#16
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	I already voted for Copperheads in the other thread, as I think it makes alot of sense.

09-09-2003, 07:12 PM	#17
Ryche College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Highlands Ranch, CO, USA	Arizona Phoenix works well, or if you don't want quite as confusing a name, you could use Firebirds or Thunderbirds to keep it related. __________________ Some knots are better left untied.

09-09-2003, 07:42 PM	#19
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	I like the Phoenix.

09-09-2003, 08:02 PM	#20
AZSpeechCoach College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Phoenix	The Monsoon. Like the real series of thunderstorms each year, they can be overhyped and deliver little. __________________ The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they'll be when you kill them! Visit Stewart the Wonderbear and his amazing travels http://wonderbeartravel.blogspot.com

09-09-2003, 08:59 PM	#22
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	I had a fictitious league where I named the Phoenix franchise, which I eventually moved to Tucson (because the NFL wouldn't share Sun Devil Stadium) the Phoenix Blaze (or Sunburst or something like that). If I ever got to build a new fictional league, I was going to name the franchise the Arizona Scorpions.

09-09-2003, 09:15 PM	#23
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I kind of think Scorpions is a dull name on its own. But, like Iron Scorpions or Red Scorpions or Sand Scorpions or Sun Scorpions or Fire Scorpions or something, that's good. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-09-2003, 09:49 PM	#24
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	As to Phoenix, we thought about it, it was sort of appropriate. But ultimately we thought it would be a but confusing. I also think that most people in the area think of Phoenix first as a city, then as a bird. Wouldn't want to name a team "Charleston" in South Carolina, now would I. "Welcome your South Carolina Charleston!" Even though Charleston may be a dance, people don't think about that first, but the city. Now Thunderbird is good, One thing you have to think about is that sports announcers, writers, and fans will abbreviate things like Thunderbirds to T-Birds, which sounds pretty good. Timber Rattlers will probably shorten to T Rats, also good sounding. So take into account the shorter version of the name and if it sounds good. -Abe Sargent Owner, Arizona Cardinals (currently) __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-10-2003, 03:02 PM	#25
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	How bout The Bidwell's so you will never forget. Ever vigilant for the evil that lurks deep in ownership's soul. __________________ Molon labe

09-11-2003, 02:15 PM	#26
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Final choice was made - Copperheads. Check out the dynasty for the Bidwell reaction.... -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-11-2003, 03:24 PM	#27
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	My suggestion for the new Team Song: Well my name's John Lee Pettimore Same as my daddy and his daddy before You hardly ever saw Grandaddy down here He only came to town about twice a year He'd buy a hundred pounds of yeast and some copper line Everybody knew that he made moonshine Now the revenue man wanted Grandaddy bad He headed up the holler with everything he had It's before my time but I've been told He never came back from Copperhead Road Now Daddy ran the whiskey in a big block Dodge Bought it at an auction at the Mason's Lodge Johnson County Sheriff painted on the side Just shot a coat of primer then he looked inside Well him and my uncle tore that engine down I still remember that rumblin' sound Well the sheriff came around in the middle of the night Heard mama cryin', knew something wasn't right He was headed down to Knoxville with the weekly load You could smell the whiskey burnin' down Copperhead Road I volunteered for the Army on my birthday They draft the white trash first,'round here anyway I done two tours of duty in Vietnam And I came home with a brand new plan I take the seed from Colombia and Mexico I plant it up the holler down Copperhead Road Well the D.E.A.'s got a chopper in the air I wake up screaming like I'm back over there I learned a thing or two from ol' Charlie don't you know You better stay away from Copperhead Road __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

09-11-2003, 03:32 PM	#28
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Good call, Buzzbee. I'm a fan, too.

09-11-2003, 05:06 PM	#30
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers

09-11-2003, 10:18 PM	#31
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Credit to RendeR on his color scheme. You'll see a little nod in my most recent post over in my dynasty. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-11-2003, 10:30 PM	#32
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Marmosets Last edited by Easy Mac : 09-11-2003 at 10:30 PM.

09-12-2003, 09:16 AM	#33
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Anxiety, I don't know if this is what you had in mind, but here is my crack at the helmet based on what you had described in the dynasty. I did my best with the logo, if you can find a better base image I can redo it. __________________ null

09-12-2003, 09:40 AM	#34
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Hmm, actually, this one might be better. __________________ null

09-12-2003, 09:45 AM	#35
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Second is better. I used the Madden '04 logo entitled "Snake" Its a snake head facing a person, not at an angle. Course, the logo doesn't matter much, since I can't get them to show in the franchise. So they are on the uniforms on the "Creat-a-team function. The aqua is a little darker. I wanted less contrast with the copper. But, that's a really good interpretation. I like it!!! -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-12-2003, 10:00 AM	#36
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Thanks. I figure it's more difficult trying to do one for someone else's idea, as they already will have a picture of it in their head (or in this case, on Madden ). But, I figured I'd give it a try. FWIW, here's the second one with the stripes/outlines darkened. __________________ null Last edited by cuervo72 : 09-12-2003 at 10:00 AM.

09-12-2003, 10:02 AM	#37
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Yep, the turquoise is closer in that one - thanks! -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-12-2003, 10:06 AM	#38
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Yep! __________________ null

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