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MLB: Type A and Type B free agents.
Does anybody have a clue how exactly this gets sorted?
Brian Shouse is a Type B free agent, while K-Rod is, apparently, neither Type A nor Type B. Why is that? |
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11-16-2008, 05:06 PM | #2 |
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ESPN - MLB Baseball Free Agent Tracker, Major League Baseball Free Agents
That's the list I'm going by as far as who qualifies as Type A or Type B, offhand. I'm seeing some other publications referring to him as Type A, but... |
11-16-2008, 05:11 PM | #3 |
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All players are put into one of the below groups (not just free agents) The player position is determined based on which position they played the most games at over the past two seasons.
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11-16-2008, 05:14 PM | #4 | |
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Thanks. Now I'm still wondering why Brian Shouse merits a 2nd round pick but K-Rod doesn't. Something doesn't add up, pardon the pun. Unless ESPN just kinda "forgot" a guy who's had 102 saves over the last two years. |
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11-16-2008, 05:14 PM | #5 |
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As for K-Rod, I'm not entirely sure why he is not listed as either Type A or B free agent though. I would think that he would have been at least a B if not an A.. but I haven't bothered digging through the numbers.
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11-16-2008, 05:15 PM | #6 | |
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MLB has Elias determine who is slotted where based on your standard archaic stats (hr, rbi, ba) with slight variations on which stats are used based on position group. EDIT: its Elias that slots them Last edited by Atocep : 11-16-2008 at 05:17 PM. |
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11-16-2008, 05:18 PM | #7 |
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Elias has K-Rod as a type A. ESPN must have overlooked him. |
11-16-2008, 05:19 PM | #8 |
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140 total relief appearances, 135.2 IP, 7 wins, 102 saves (total of 109), 104 hits surrendered (.77 hits/IP), 167 Ks, 68 walks (2.46 K's/BB) and ERA of 2.52 during that two year period. That's A-Rod.
Shouse had 99 IP in 142 appearances. 6 wins, 3 saves. 92 hits, or a .93 ratio. 65 Ks, 28 BBs, for a 2.32 rate. ERA of 2.91 in that two year span. There is no metric in that calculation where Shouse has superior numbers. Something is wrong, either in terms of bookkeeping by ESPN or otherwise. |
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I have seen a few sites that list K-Rod as a type-A free agent. That might just be a mistake on that ESPN list. |
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11-16-2008, 05:35 PM | #10 |
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It looks like they missed more players too. They don't have Burrell as an A or B either.
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11-16-2008, 09:51 PM | #11 |
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I read on metsblog.com that K-Rod isn't an A/B because the Angels didn't (or haven't yet) offered him arbitration, which is a requirement for receiving comp picks. I believe the deadline to offer arb is Dec 2nd.
I would expect they would offer him, but I can see the Phillies not offering Burrell for fear that he'll accept and they'll be stuck with him. Last edited by Logan : 11-16-2008 at 09:51 PM. |
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OK, but what happens if he signs before the Angels offer him arbitration? Seems a little weird to have the deadline for compensation be after the start of free agency. |
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11-16-2008, 10:13 PM | #13 | |
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So if a free agent signs on November 24, then his old team can offer arbitration to get the new team's first or second rounder, even though the player is already under a new contract? No wonder Epstein was waiting on...was it Lugo, the other year? |
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That's on the Angels, as nothing has stopped them from offering him arbitration besides not wanting to. (again, I could be completely wrong on this ) |
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A player signed before the deadline to offer arbitration is treated as if he was offered arbitration. |
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Actually, this is typical ESPN behavior. They usually ignore anything associated with the Angels.
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What happens if you sign 3 or 4 type A's. Who get's the picks? I'd assume that each team losing a type A would get a sandwich pick, but what else would they get?
I'd guess the strongest type A would return a first round pick, but what about the rest of the order? Is it 2 sandwich picks or does a team losing a type A to a team with multiple type A signings just get screwed? Last edited by stevew : 11-17-2008 at 12:01 AM. |
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You can get bumped all the way down to receiving a 3rd, 4th, 5th round pick, etc. Sucks for that team. I'm not sure of how it's determined who gets the picks first, I don't think it's based on the player though, probably the team (as in they assign that team's picks away based on the prior season's records?).
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Well, the way the rule is written, you can only sign a certain number of Type A and B free agents, depending on the size of the Type A/B class. There are gradations up to 3 Type A/B signings allowable (and I think the class has to be between 32-63 members for 3 to be permissible, for example). Exceptions incur if the team doing the signing has, themselves, lost multiple such free agents. Then they aren't bound by the limits. I think that generally sandwich picks are involved, though. I don't think they step down to 3rd, 4th, and 5ths as Logan is suggesting. |
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Good stuff here. Thanks.
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