Dog kills cat, cat owner shoots dog, dog owner shoots 5 people.

[Noop]

LENOIR, N.C. -- The Caldwell County Sheriff's Office and state agents are investigating after five people were shot, one fatally, Wednesday night.

The shooting began around 11 p.m. at two homes on Grandin Road near Blue Creek Road in an area called Kings Creek, north of Lenoir.

Officials say it started as an argument when one man’s dog killed his neighbor’s cat. The neighbor then shot the dog, prompting the dog’s owner to shoot his 50-year-old neighbor and the neighbor’s 8-year-old daughter. They are in fair and good condition, respectively.

"My daughter was across the road,” said Tammie Roberts, a neighbor of the shooter. “When she walked across the road, she heard the first gunshot."

"It was very terrifying hearing all the gunshots," she added, saying her family took cover.

When sheriff’s deputies came out to investigate, the man who shot the father and daughter began shooting at them. One deputy was hit multiple times and was flown to Carolinas Medical Center for treatment. He is expected to be released Friday.

Another deputy was hit in the arm. He was treated at a nearby hospital and released.

Deputies eventually moved in on the shooter, and more shots were fired, resulting in the suspect’s death. Sheriff's officials believe he was struck in the gunfire.

Deputy B.J. Fore says this incident was a painful reminder of other tragic events of the past year.

"We've had six officers shot over the last eight months," he said.

Two Caldwell County sheriff's deputies were shot on Sept. 19, 2008 while responding to a 911 hang-up call. Deputy Adam Klutz was killed in that shooting. Eight days earlier, two other deputies were shot serving a warrant in the Happy Valley area, near Boone. Both of those deputies survived.

No names have been released in the incident.

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[Eaglesfan27]

When I first glanced at the title, I thought it said the dog shot 5 people and was wondering how the heck that happened.

[SackAttack]

Well, technically, the dog owner shot four people.

His death was the fifth, and he probably didn't turn the gun on himself.

[Noop]

Must have been one hell of a dog.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Noop

Deputies eventually moved in on the shooter, and more shots were fired, resulting in the suspect’s death. Sheriff's officials believe he was struck in the gunfire.

Also. I, uh...do believe that's generally the point of gunfire. Either to hit the target, or to make them stop shooting at YOU.

If you fail to accomplish either objective, you probably shouldn't be trusted with a gun.

[DataKing]

Dude, this is pretty f*cked up right here.

[cuervo72]

Needs a diagram.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I think it's fair to say that if the cat would have just minded his own business, none of this would have occurred.

[Danny]

At least in the end, the only one who died was the one who deserved it.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Danny

At least in the end, the only one who died was the one who deserved it.

+1

[Sun Tzu]

Damn hillbillies.

[Noop]

So does the guy who shoot the dog deserve to go to jail?

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

When I first glanced at the title, I thought it said the dog shot 5 people and was wondering how the heck that happened.

Same here.

[Cringer]

Why did the cat deserve it?

[Butter]

Effin' cats ruin everything.

[Pumpy Tudors]

This is pretty hardcore. All I have to add is that I sat on a plane next to a guy from Lenoir, NC, last Friday. He was planning to spend the next two months in Louisiana, though, so I'm reasonably sure that he had nothing to do with this shooting.

And neither did I. Really. I didn't shoot anybody.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Noop

So does the guy who shoot the dog deserve to go to jail?

He deserves some sort of punishment, be it a fine, probation, or a short sentence in jail.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Noop

So does the guy who shoot the dog deserve to go to jail?

I think we need more information to determine that. If the dog was off it's leash and in the cat owners yard then as long as the weapon was licensed, etc... I think he has every right to shoot the dog.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Kodos

He deserves some sort of punishment, be it a fine, probation, or a short sentence in jail.

Well I am not sure if the legal system sees it the same as me but he is responsible for everything that happened isn't he? If he does not shoot the dog that man does not go ape shit. I would hope he gets a lengthy prison sentence but that's if they see it the way I do.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think we need more information to determine that. If the dog was off it's leash and in the cat owners yard then as long as the weapon was licensed, etc... I think he has every right to shoot the dog.

This is interesting but what if the dog was not a threat to him? And how did the dog get in his yard?

[Danny]

He is responsible for shooting the dog, whatever punishment is standard for that he should get. And as Lathum pointed out, if the dog was on his property that be no punishment. He is not responsible for the owner of the dog going insane and shooting and potentially killing him, his 8 year old daughter and multiple police officers.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Noop

Well I am not sure if the legal system sees it the same as me but he is responsible for everything that happened isn't he? If he does not shoot the dog that man does not go ape shit. I would hope he gets a lengthy prison sentence but that's if they see it the way I do.

umm, or if the guy was more responsible for his dog it wouldn't have killed the cat.

Like I said, I don't think there is enough info to determine fault, and I am pretty sure the legal system won't see it your way.

[Kodos]

Shooting the dog was wrong, but not on the same level as escalating things to trying to kill humans.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Noop

This is interesting but what if the dog was not a threat to him? And how did the dog get in his yard?

Like I said need more info. Maybe neither yard has a fence? And obviously the dog is an aggressive creature.

[Kodos]

Yeah, if the dog is on your property and seems to be a threat (like if he just killed the cat in your yard), I think shooting the dog is then warranted. Especially if the 8 year old was threatened by the dog in any way.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Noop

Well I am not sure if the legal system sees it the same as me but he is responsible for everything that happened isn't he? If he does not shoot the dog that man does not go ape shit. I would hope he gets a lengthy prison sentence but that's if they see it the way I do.

I thought you were going to law school?

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I thought you were going to law school?

Jesus H. Christ. Really? I was asking a question and gave my thoughts so what does that have to do with anything? I am also getting a masters degree in human resources want me to talk about your companies hiring practices?

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Like I said need more info. Maybe neither yard has a fence? And obviously the dog is an aggressive creature.

I agree with the first statement. The second is subjective no?

[Lathum]

Noop, I don't think the police, courts, etc... would look at the cat owner as the catalyst for the incident because he shot the dog.

I think they would ask the question " Why didn't you pick up the phone and call 911 once a weapon became involved? "

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Noop, I don't think the police, courts, etc... would look at the cat owner as the catalyst for the incident because he shot the dog.

I think they would ask the question " Why didn't you pick up the phone and call 911 once a weapon became involved? "

Yeah I agree. From my perspective it seems like the dog shooter could have handled it better that's all.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Noop

I agree with the first statement. The second is subjective no?

How can you say that?

The dog killed another animal, which means it is either trained to do that or it is an aggressive creature. I don't know if you grew up around animals but despite popular belief, cats and dogs don't automatically fight.

again, operating with very limited info, but if the dog killed the cat I would think it capable of attacking a child.

[Kodos]

It's amazing how many times one guy can make bizarre arguments.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

When I first glanced at the title, I thought it said the dog shot 5 people and was wondering how the heck that happened.

I also saw that at a quick glance

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Noop

Jesus H. Christ. Really? I was asking a question and gave my thoughts so what does that have to do with anything? I am also getting a masters degree in human resources want me to talk about your companies hiring practices?

SI

[King of New York]

I'm going to get a new dog next week.

[Note to self: remember to ask for a breed that does not eat cats, and that is also bulletproof.]

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Noop

Yeah I agree. From my perspective it seems like the dog shooter could have handled it better that's all.

he should have called the police but for all we know the dog turned on the girl, probably not but we don't know.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Kodos

It's amazing how many times one guy can make bizarre arguments.

Meh. It's an opinion so what if its not in step with yours, want to continue to act superior?

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by Noop

Well I am not sure if the legal system sees it the same as me but he is responsible for everything that happened isn't he? If he does not shoot the dog that man does not go ape shit. I would hope he gets a lengthy prison sentence but that's if they see it the way I do.

Let's take it one step before that, if the dog didn't kill the cat none of this would have happened. So that makes your point moot.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by Danny

He is responsible for shooting the dog, whatever punishment is standard for that he should get. And as Lathum pointed out, if the dog was on his property that be no punishment. He is not responsible for the owner of the dog going insane and shooting and potentially killing him, his 8 year old daughter and multiple police officers.

Yeah I think this is where we have to look at the criminal side "he shot a dog" and the civil side. He'd be only guilty of shooting a dog criminally, but I'm sure there are some additional things he could be gone after for on the civil case... But I'm not a lawyer so what do I know...

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Noop

Meh. It's an opinion so what if its not in step with yours, want to continue to act superior?

Yes, please.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Noop

Jesus H. Christ. Really? I was asking a question and gave my thoughts so what does that have to do with anything? I am also getting a masters degree in human resources want me to talk about your companies hiring practices?

Point is you said "I am not sure if the legal system sees it the same way as me"... I would think with your schooling that you should be pretty dang sure that it will NOT see it that way.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Let's take it one step before that, if the dog didn't kill the cat none of this would have happened. So that makes your point moot.

I think Lathum summed it up best. Need more information. I still think the dog shooter could have done what Lathum said call the police or something else instead of shooting the dog. However if the dog was attacking his daughter then yes its understandable but the article doesn't mention that.

More information is needed. I was making an assumption without any (much) information my bad.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Point is you said "I am not sure if the legal system sees it the same way as me"... I would think with your schooling that you should be pretty dang sure that it will NOT see it that way.

Not in law school right now.

[Kodos]

I think a lot of people in the heat of the moment might shoot a neighbor's dog if that dog had just killed their cat. Much more understandable than escalating to trying to kill people for shooting your dog.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Regarding Noop's comment about the dog shooter being responsible for everything, I would like to add a thought to that. I think we need to apply reasonable subsequent action to determine whether he's responsible. OK, yes, the dog owner would get upset, but is it reasonable for his next action to shoot several people? It's questionable that it's even reasonable for him to shoot the guy who shot his dog, but there's certainly no related reason for him to shoot the neighbor and the neighbor's daughter. And if you shoot somebody's dog, you can't reasonably expect them to go on a rampage and randomly shoot people.

So, in my opinion, the guy who shot the dog is not responsible for everything. It's a huge leap in logic to suggest that the dog owner shot a little girl because an unrelated man shot his dog. The dog owner shot her because he had some other problem, and the dog owner should be responsible for that.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The dog killed another animal, which means it is either trained to do that or it is an aggressive creature.

These are not the only possibilities. Just because the dog killed the cat does not mean the dog was the aggressor. A cat is just as likely to attack a dog as a dog is to attack a cat. The dog could have simply been defending itself.

[JediKooter]

I heard it was some guy named Mike Vick that shot the dog.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Regarding Noop's comment about the dog shooter being responsible for everything, I would like to add a thought to that. I think we need to apply reasonable subsequent action to determine whether he's responsible. OK, yes, the dog owner would get upset, but is it reasonable for his next action to shoot several people? It's questionable that it's even reasonable for him to shoot the guy who shot his dog, but there's certainly no related reason for him to shoot the neighbor and the neighbor's daughter. And if you shoot somebody's dog, you can't reasonably expect them to go on a rampage and randomly shoot people.

So, in my opinion, the guy who shot the dog is not responsible for everything. It's a huge leap in logic to suggest that the dog owner shot a little girl because an unrelated man shot his dog. The dog owner shot her because he had some other problem, and the dog owner should be responsible for that.

Again operating under the what if scenario what if this guy had an attachment to his dog? What if it reminded him of his youth or something? Based some of the comments from the Michael Vick thread people love their dogs. Why is it not possible for this man to love his dog like it was child?

Again its a what if...

[Bad-example]

If you shoot someone's pet, you are a fool of the highest order if you don't think there is a fair chance you will be shot by the pet's owner. I'm not saying you deserve to be shot, but if you are surprised by returning fire you are a moron.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Noop

Again operating under the what if scenario what if this guy had an attachment to his dog? What if it reminded him of his youth or something? Based some of the comments from the Michael Vick thread people love their dogs. Why is it not possible for this man to love his dog like it was child?

Again its a what if...

I don't care if he is married to the dog--he cannot be justified when he starts shooting people over it.