FOFC Draft: The Four Sport Challenge - VOTE FOR THE WINNER

[Schmidty]

The FOFC Draft: Four Sport Challenge is now finished. Now we need YOU, the people of FOFC, to decide the winner. Place a vote for the team that you feel is the best, most interesting, et cetera.

Each team contains the following:

Football - 2 players
Baseball - 2 players
Basketball - 2 players
Hockey - 2 players
Other Sports - 1 player
Wildcard - 1 player

The original thread can be found Here

Here are the teams:

Raiders Army
Michael Jordan - Basketball
Joe Montana - Football
Nolan Ryan - Baseball
Pete Sampras - Other
Ronnie Lott - Football
Doug Harvey - Hockey
Jaromir Jagr - Hockey
Tom Seaver - Baseball
George "Meadowlark" Lemon - Basketball
John Wooden - Wildcard

ThunderingHERD
Wayne Gretzky - Hockey
Mario Lemieux - Hockey
Ted Williams - Baseball
Stan Musial - Baseball
Dick Butkus - Football
Sugar Ray Robinson - Other
George Mikan - Basketball
Charles Barkley - Basketball
O.J. Simpson - Football
Diego Maradona - Wildcard

General Mike
Babe Ruth - Baseball
Gordie Howe - Hockey
Magic Johnson - Basketball
Reggie White- Football
Rocky Marciano - Other
Honus Wagner - Baseball
Deacon Jones - Football
Hakeem Olajuwon - Basketball
Mike Bossy - Hockey
Mike Schmidt - Wildcard

TazFTW
Jim Brown - Football
Patrick Roy - Hockey
Joe Louis - Other
Roger Clemens - Baseball
Barry Bonds - Baseball
Shaquille O'neal - Basketball
Elgin Baylor - Basketball
Ray Bourque - Hockey
Deion Sanders - Football
Bob Gibson - Wildcard

Maple Leafs
Muhammad Ali - Other
Jackie Robinson - Baseball
Bill Russell - Basketball
Walter Payton - Football
Mickey Mantle - Baseball
Jean Beliveau - Hockey
Arnold Palmer - Wildcard
Don Hutson - Football
Eddie Shore - Hockey
Karl Malone - Basketball

Schmidty
Tiger Woods - Other
Ty Cobb - Baseball
Larry Bird - Basketball
Johnny Unitas - Football
Pete Rose - Baseball
Steve Yzerman - Hockey
Rogers Hornsby - Wildcard
John Elway - Football
"Pistol" Pete Maravich - Basketball
Brett Hull - Hockey

kcchief19
Jim Thorpe - Other
Lance Armstrong - Wildcard
Mark Messier - hockey
Lou Gehrig - Baseball
Julius Erving - Basketball
Terry Sawchuck - Hockey
Gayle Sayers - Football
Brett Favre - Football
Dominique Wilkins - Basketball
Roberto Clemente - Baseball

vexroid
Bo Jackson - Wildcard
Carl Lewis - Other
Oscar Robertson - Basketball
Joe DiMaggio - Baseball
Sammy Baugh - Football
Isiah Thomas - Basketball
Red Grange - Football
Brooks Robinson - Baseball
Guy Lafleur - Hockey
Phil Esposito - Hockey

Travis
Jesse Owen - Other
Jerry Rice - Football
Babe Didrikson Zaharias - Wildcard
Hank Aaron - Baseball
Jerry West - Basketball
Vladislav Tretiak - Hockey
Bob Cousy - Basketball
Walter Johnson - Baseball
Paul Coffey - Hockey
Warren Moon - Football

vtbub
Jack Nicklaus - Other
Willie Mays - Baseball
Emmitt Smith - Football
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - Basketball
Maurice Richard- Hockey
Sandy Koufax - Baseball
Mike Singletary - Football
Walt Frazie r- Basketball
Ken Dryden - Hockey
Steffi Graf- Wildcard

DeToxRoxDVHStyle/RadioFriendlyUnitShifter
Bobby Orr - Hockey
Barry Sanders - Football
Lawerence Taylor - Football
Cal Ripken Jr. - Baseball
Kurt Angle - Wildcard
LeBron James - Basketball
Mark Spitz - Other
Rickey Henderson - Baseball
Jacques Plante - Hockey
George Gervin - Basketball

DaddyTorgo
Wilt Chamberlain - Basketball
Pele - Other
Eddy Merckx - Wildcard
Bobby Hull - Hockey
John Havlicek - Basketball
Cy Young - Baseball
Steve Young - Football
Dan Marino - Football
Marcel Dionne - Hockey
Josh "The Black Babe Ruth" Gibson - Baseball

[MIJB#19]

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Team	Baseball	Basketball	Football	Hockey	Other/WC
DaddyTorgo	Cy Young	John Havlicek	Dan Marino	Bobby Hull	Pele
DaddyTorgo	Josh Gibson	Wilt Chamberlain	Steve Young	Marcel Dionne	Eddy Merckx
DeToxRox/RFUS	Cal Ripken Jr.	George Gervin	Barry Sanders	Bobby Orr	Mark Spitz
DeToxRox/RFUS	Rickey Henderson	LeBron James	Lawerence Taylor	Jacques Plante	Kurt Angle
General Mike	Babe Ruth	Hakeem Olajuwon	Deacon Jones	Gordie Howe	Rocky Marciano
General Mike	Honus Wagner	Magic Johnson	Reggie White	Mike Bossy	Mike Schmidt
kcchief19	Lou Gehrig	Dominique Wilkins	Brett Favre	Mark Messier	Jim Thorpe
kcchief19	Roberto Clemente	Julius Erving	Gayle Sayers	Terry Sawchuck	Lance Armstrong
Maple Leafs	Jackie Robinson	Bill Russell	Don Hutson	Eddie Shore	Muhammad Ali
Maple Leafs	Mickey Mantle	Karl Malone	Walter Payton	Jean Beliveau	Arnold Palmer
Raiders Army	Nolan Ryan	George Lemon	Joe Montana	Doug Harvey	Pete Sampras
Raiders Army	Tom Seaver	Michael Jordan	Ronnie Lott	Jaromir Jagr	John Wooden
Schmidty	Pete Rose	Larry Bird	John Elway	Brett Hull	Tiger Woods
Schmidty	Ty Cobb	Pistol Pete Maravich	Johnny Unitas	Steve Yzerman	Rogers Hornsby
TazFTW	Barry Bonds	Elgin Baylor	Deion Sanders	Patrick Roy	Joe Louis
TazFTW	Roger Clemens	Shaquille O'neal	Jim Brown	Ray Bourque	Bob Gibson
ThunderingHERD	Stan Musial	Charles Barkley	Dick Butkus	Mario Lemieux	Sugar Ray Robinson
ThunderingHERD	Ted Williams	George Mikan	O.J. Simpson	Wayne Gretzky	Diego Maradona
Travis	Hank Aaron	Bob Cousy	Jerry Rice	Paul Coffey	Jesse Owen
Travis	Walter Johnson	Jerry West	Warren Moon	Vladislav Tretiak	Babe Didrikson Zaharias
vexroid	Brooks Robinson	Isiah Thomas	Red Grange	Guy Lafleur	Carl Lewis
vexroid	Joe DiMaggio	Oscar Robertson	Sammy Baugh	Phil Esposito	Bo Jackson
vtbub	Sandy Koufax	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	Emmitt Smith	Ken Dryden	Jack Nicklaus
vtbub	Willie Mays	Walt Frazier	Mike Singletary	Maurice Richard	Steffi Graf

[Schmidty]

Thanks, MIJB. I think that will help some people. I'm not good at doing charts and such.

[GreenMonster]

I like vtbub..

Singletary in football is kinda a weak pick compared to the rest but overall a solid team with good wildcard and other picks..(Graff, Nicklaus)..

[Butter]

I'm gonna go with ThunderingHERD on this one. I can't call into question any of those picks, and I especially think that George Mikan was an inspired pick, along with Diego Maradona in the late rounds.

[ISiddiqui]

I'll go with HERD and General Mike a close 2nd. Strong throughout.

[Abe Sargent]

I like DannyTorgo's Pele pick, I think that was inspired.


-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

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Yes thanks!

[path12]

Tough call, but overall I'll go with HERD. Just looks to be the most consistently strong to me.

[Buccaneer]

HERD is weak in football, imo. Got to go with Schmidty - a very strong team.

[General Mike]

Oh come off it. I have the 2 best baseball players of all time, and the 2 best defensive lineman of all time. My other picks are all solid. I win.

[DaddyTorgo]

I have the 2 best wildcard athletes you could possibly wish for. Both the unquestioned best in their sports, the winningest pitcher of all time (from an era where pitchers pitched complete games back-to-back all the time), the greatest slugger of all time (arguably tied with Ruth for that honor...his HOF plaque says he hit "well over 800 HR's", highest BA in Negro League history), the most unstoppable offensive force in basketball history, two HOF QB's, one who holds a ton of passing records and the other with the career QB-rating record, a HOF winger who was the poster boy for an entire LEAGUE and was the offensive force of multiple decades.

and my 2nd bball and hockey players are no slouches either. One is a points-man galore (dionne) and the other was one of those who just wins. championship after championship (havlicek).

how can my team not get your vote?

[st.cronin]

I voted for Schmidty, even though I think Yzerman is overrated.

[AstroFan]

I would go with General Mike.

Babe Ruth is the best baseball player ever, Honus Wagner is arguably the 2nd best player, and unarguably by far the best shortstop ever.

Magic Johnson is the best PG ever.

Mike Schmidt is the best 3B ever.

Hakeem is one of the best Centers ever.

Rocky Marciano was undefeated.

Gordie Howe is a top 5 hockey player.

Deacon Jones and Reggie White are two of the best defensive linemen ever.

[sabotai]

I vote Taz with General Mike and HERD coming in close runner up spots.

[Buccaneer]

Just for fun since I followed the draft pretty closely, I assigned a score of 1-5 to each player drafter and then averaged the scores by owner. Here's what I got, giving my personal comparisons, biases, likes, dislikes, etc.

Schmidty


4.1


DaddyTorgo


3.8


vtbub


3.6


TazFTW


3.5


Maple Leafs


3.5


ThunderingHERD


3.4


kcchief19


3.4


Travis


3.4


Raiders Army


3.3


General Mike


3.3


DeToxRoxDVHStyle/RadioFriendlyUnitShifter


3


vexroid


2.9

[ThunderingHERD]

Had to go with my own team on this one. The two greatest hockey players ever according to many. The greatest boxer "pound-for-pound" ever. In the 8th round I got the greatest basketball player of the first half of the century. With the 2nd to last overall pick, I got a guy that was won more than 50% of the vote in an official FIFA poll as the greatest soccer player of the century. And there goes Ted Williams, the greatest hitter that ever lived. I got Dick Butkus, the greatest linebacker ever. OJ Simpson, the greatest wife-and-a-waiter murderer ever.

If I couldn't pick myself, I'd probably have to go with General Mike, with honorable mention for Maple Leafs for having the strongest first half of the draft.

[Buccaneer]

The two greatest hockey players ever according to many.

Are you sure or is it just those that think sports did not exist before 1980? Gretsky, absolutely, he got a 5. But I had GHowe, Orr, Richard, Sawchuck and Roy up there too.

[ThunderingHERD]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Are you sure or is it just those that think sports did not exist before 1980?

I'm not about to speculate on the many's other opinions.

[Buccaneer]

Plus Hull, of course. I had a typo that would put Torgo at 4.0, a close 2nd to Schmidty.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

I'm not about to speculate on the many's other opinions.

Fwiw, I had you tied for 1st in the most number of '5'.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Just for fun since I followed the draft pretty closely, I assigned a score of 1-5 to each player drafter and then averaged the scores by owner. Here's what I got, giving my personal comparisons, biases, likes, dislikes, etc.

Call me a sucker for punishment, but seeing as how I'm pretty much getting spanked in the poll, I'd be curious to see which picks (whether just for my team, or overall) that you felt were the strongest/weakest.

I think it would have been interesting to randomly pair off the teams and do the voting tourney style, could have created some interesting matchups (pure athletes vs groundbreakers/those who fought through adversity to achieve what they did/etc).

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by Travis

Call me a sucker for punishment, but seeing as how I'm pretty much getting spanked in the poll, I'd be curious to see which picks (whether just for my team, or overall) that you felt were the strongest/weakest.

I think it would have been interesting to randomly pair off the teams and do the voting tourney style, could have created some interesting matchups (pure athletes vs groundbreakers/those who fought through adversity to achieve what they did/etc).

As if my votes mean anything. But remember, this is in part a popularity contest and in my view, a ranking contest. While you had great picks in Rice, Aaron, West, Big Train and Babe, your hockey players suck compared to others. Owens is a good pick but not compared Babe and Carl Lewis, imo. Plus I didn't like the Moon pick.

[Buccaneer]

By the way, in my rankings, you scored in 3rd place (i.e., not spanked), along with most of the others. So that's pretty good.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

HERD is weak in football, imo. Got to go with Schmidty - a very strong team.

Thanks Buc. I was hoping somebody would notice.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Plus Hull, of course. I had a typo that would put Torgo at 4.0, a close 2nd to Schmidty.

Thanks Bucc.

[sachmo71]

some very strong teams, but I'm going with kcchief19. It was VERY close, though.

Almost went with the Detox team, but wrasslin' isn't a sport.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

As if my votes mean anything. But remember, this is in part a popularity contest and in my view, a ranking contest. While you had great picks in Rice, Aaron, West, Big Train and Babe, your hockey players suck compared to others. Owens is a good pick but not compared Babe and Carl Lewis, imo. Plus I didn't like the Moon pick.

Wow, I personally thought the hockey picks weren't that bad. Guy that is arguably one of the top 3-5 goalies of all time plus a top 5 defenseman of all time (if not in the top 2 or 3).

Moon, well, that's a homer pick seeing as how he started his career here, and the fact he helped pave the way for black QB's, figured that was a nice addition to his professional stats.

But I can definitely see where you're coming from. My strategy of offsetting athletes that overcame adversity with some outside the box picks (Tretiak, Babe, Moon) isn't paying off all that well so far.

[DaddyTorgo]

what's up with some participants voting for themselves and others voting for other participants?? that's skewing the voting #'s a tiny bit. And making me wonder if I should vote for myself to offest that, or vote for someone else? I think we need a ruling on what's up with that...

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

what's up with some participants voting for themselves and others voting for other participants?? that's skewing the voting #'s a tiny bit. And making me wonder if I should vote for myself to offest that, or vote for someone else? I think we need a ruling on what's up with that...

Well, I voted for vtbub. I got involved a little late, but I tried my best to vote objectively, and I feel vtbub has the best team overall...

[ThunderingHERD]

I will agree that I'm weak in name value at american football. I certainly mulled that over after making a self-interest pick (Musial, who I've always thought was underrated. Not that I consider the pick a stretch talent wise--only value wise) and then considering how football players would be, for obvious reasons, more appreciated on this forum than other athletes.

Looking at it objectively, the only thing I'd change about my draft would be my 4th round pick--either drafting an NFl player or, had i still chosen to finish out my baseball slots, drafting Mantle (even though I feel he's an inferior player, he's certainly a bigger name.)

Believe me, I came into this thread determined to vote for someone else's team--only I couldn't find any better.

[oykib]

I'll have to mull it over for a while.

During the draft, I had General Mike clearly ahead. But DaddyTorgo's and ThunderingHerd's teams are good as well.

vtbub is almost as good. But I don't like Clyde and Emmitt Smith so much.

I think it's easiest to eliminate teams based on bad picks:

Raiders Army - Meadowlark Lemon (clever, but...) and Nolan Ryan

Maple Leafs - Jackie Robinson

Schmidty - Pete Rose, Pistol Pete

kcchief - Gayle Sayers, Roberto Clemente

vexroid - Bo Jackson, Brooks Robinson

DeTox - Kurt Angle?!!!, Cal Ripken, jr.

Can't say that I have a serious problem with any picks other than these. I got a rep for sniping during the draft thread. But I am surprised by how well the majority of the drafters did.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

how can my team not get your vote?

Well, you did get my vote.

The Eddy Merckx and Pele picks were by far the best other/wild card picks. Granted, my knowledge of the big four sports is worse than my cycling and soccer knowledge, but given the names of Wilt Chamberlain, Steve Young and Bobby Hull, that secured it for me.

Vtbub scored a negative on my page for picking Steffi Graf. Granted, she dominated the women's tennis tour, but ever since Venus Williams declared she could beat a random male tennis player and got humiliated by a guy ranked about 250th, I had to penalize that selection for not going with a male tennis player like Roger Federer, Andre Agassi, John McEnroe or another sports great. (Maybe it sounds sexist, but I looked at this from a get-the-best-human-beings contest, not a get-the-best-compared-to-their-competition contest.)

Kcchief scored negatives on going with Lance Armstrong for similar reasons. Fine, Armstrong decided to introduce something new and be the best at that. I would even say he's the best ridr of the last decade. But that doesn't make you better than Merckx, Miguel Indurain, Bernard Hinault or Fausto Coppi.

[Schmidty]

Quick bump to get this back on the top 2 pages.