Survivor: South Pacific

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Premiere of the new season is tonight! Ozzy and Coach return for this one. Also saw on one of the promos that Russell's nephew is one of the contestants.

[gstelmack]

Coach, again? Isn't this like his third showing? He's a big reason my wife and I STOPPED watching.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Premiere of the new season is tonight! Ozzy and Coach return for this one. Also saw on one of the promos that Russell's nephew is one of the contestants.

I was out at a bar or something and saw the preview out of the corner of my eye. I thought I saw Russell - is that why I thought that?

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Coach, again? Isn't this like his third showing? He's a big reason my wife and I STOPPED watching.

Not thrilled about Coach, but Ozzy is one of my top 3 favorites of all time, so I'll let it slide.

[tyketime]

I've been a big fan of Survivor for many years, but I gotta say, I'm starting to grow a bit weary of it. Their fascination with all things Hantz is absurd. Not thrilled with "returning players". So unless 1st or 2nd show grabs my attention because of something different/unique, this may be one of the shows on a short leash competing for my attention.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by tyketime

I've been a big fan of Survivor for many years, but I gotta say, I'm starting to grow a bit weary of it. Their fascination with all things Hantz is absurd. Not thrilled with "returning players". So unless 1st or 2nd show grabs my attention because of something different/unique, this may be one of the shows on a short leash competing for my attention.

Yeah, I'm not really a fan of Redemption Island or always having returning players now. This may be the first season of Survivor I skip in quite some time.

[Maple Leafs]

This would have been 100x better if they'd brough back Ozzy and that girl (Amanda?) that he pathetically fell for during his last appearance.

(I'm assuming they've broken up now. Even better if they're both bitter about it. Come to think of it, a male vs female season where each side is lead by an embittered ex would be fantastic.)

[CrimsonFox]

It's been about 6 seasons since I made it through watching a whole season. Coach was unbearable. Perhaps he has gotten a sense of humor. I hope he's changed. Ozzy was awesome in his first season but was an arrogant prick his second. We'll see which one shows up.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

The thing I've enjoyed about the returning players is that they have demonstrated that experience can play a factor in how well you do. If I was a newbie, I'd boot those returning players in a hurry because they're a threat. With that said, I'm amazed at how well some of them are able to do despite the target on their back right from the start.

[LloydLungs]

Originally Posted by tyketime

Not thrilled with "returning players".

Yeah -- I love returning players when it's once in awhile. Doing it every season pretty much saps it of any novelty. Once you're bringing Coach back for the third time, it's probably time to do a few good-old-fashioned seasons before going back to the returning players well. The original premise, after all, was 16 strangers forced to survive together and the dynamics that come from their all being strangers to each other. That did actually work well.

As for RI, I can only hope they at least learned to shut it down at the merge this time. I enjoyed Rob finally winning a season, but post-merge RI completely ruined the endgame last season.

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

With that said, I'm amazed at how well some of them are able to do despite the target on their back right from the start.

Me too, but I can't imagine they'll have any chance this season after Rob's run on S22. Everyone just saw that -- it's fresh in their minds. Ozzy and Coach are both well situated for fairly deep runs. Ozzy because he should be huge in getting his tribe a numbers advantage up until the merge, and Coach because anyone should want to drag Coach to the end. If any returning players would have a chance to stick around awhile immediately after Rob, these two would. But I still see them both being removed irrationally early because of the Rob factor.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The thing I've enjoyed about the returning players is that they have demonstrated that experience can play a factor in how well you do. If I was a newbie, I'd boot those returning players in a hurry because they're a threat.

Not sure on timing of filming, but if the players are aware of Rob's victory last season I can't imagine they don't do exactly that for Ozzy and Coach.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Not sure on timing of filming, but if the players are aware of Rob's victory last season I can't imagine they don't do exactly that for Ozzy and Coach.

I think most thought they'd do it to Rob last year. What happens is that the newbies start panicking when the returning player starts stirring the pot. They start thinking that they're better off with the returning player even though the newbies could easily dispatch that returning player if they put their minds to it.

It's a fascinating thing to watch happen either way.

[Kodos]

I'd prefer an all-newbie cast, but Survivor is still one of my favorite shows.

I liked redemption island, but only 2 players at a time. And only have one player ever make it back into the game.

[Swaggs]

This one snuck up on me.

Have to catch the beginning on demand, I guess.

[molson]

I've gotten into this show just the last 3-4 years (after not watching since season 3), I would have totally missed the premiere without the bump, so thanks for that.

[EagleFan]

Spoiler

Amusing start so far.

The Hantz kid looks like a future serial killer/stalker. He talks about that one girl flaunting it and how that is not what he is about but every time they show him he is staring at her like se is the main course.

We get the crazy lady looking for the idol while the rest of the tribe makes the shelter putting a bullseye on her back.

Then we get Ozzie being the sage giver of advice.

That nerdy kid has no chance. Seriously asking Jeff to call him by his last name because that is how he refers to great players? Another great move to put a target on yourself.

Haven't people learned that it only takes doing something stupid to put a target on you as the first voted out?

[EagleFan]

Spoiler

that had to be one of the worst single challenge performances ever. It looked like she wasn't even trying.

[EagleFan]

Spoiler

if you're such a fan of the game and you are in trouble shouldn't you get off your a** and look for the idol?

[Mota]

She was so tiiiiiiiiiired though....

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Mota

She was so tiiiiiiiiiired though....

Even tired should be able to dig deep enough to try, that was pathetic.

[Lathum]

That one womans eyes are CRAZY!!

[Mota]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Even tired should be able to dig deep enough to try, that was pathetic.

Yeah, you have to eliminate someone like that. In the competitions you're trying your best and so is the other team. You're both tired and hungry. If you have someone on your team that gives up, you have no chance.

[Maple Leafs]

Love the Hantz kid... "Ain't no way I'm gonna let anyone know my last name... which come to think of it could be tough since I have this giant tattoo of it..."

P.S. Could we label spoilers? Big difference between discussing something from last night's show that DVRers may not have seen vs. revealing an actual spoiler for future episodes.

[Lathum]

yeah, I don't think anything that has already happened on the show needs to be a spoiler. It's your own fault if you are in the thread and haven't watched yet.

This is a good reminder that I need to steer clear of FB until I watch though. East coasters ruin everything

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This is a good reminder that I need to steer clear of FB until I watch though. East coasters ruin everything

That's why I spoiler tag my posts during the show, just to be safe.

[CrimsonFox]

Coach seems to have changed. He's not the uberannoying scapegoat of scorn he once was. Really seems to be well grounded and even has a sense of humor a little.

Ozzy hasn't changed a bit. He says he's more mature but he seems to already going back to the bully he was last time. And geez. "We should all go swimming right away, ya know....DUUUUUUDE there are some tasty waves out there. Then we could lie in the sand and uh...pretend to eat stuff and drink stuff. and WHOA my hands are HUUUUUUUGE!

[CrimsonFox]

Ozzy

[Draft Dodger]

I was torn. didn't want to see Samsha's rack go away, but I find the nerdy guy to be entertaining (if not entirely believable - he kind of reminds me a bit of the Idol contestants who are intentionally bad but fake being pissed off when they get critiqued)

[law90026]

There are some hotties this year I gotta say!

Ozzy has no chance to win if he's going to do the same old "I'm so cool" shtick again. Coach actually came off very likeable and kinda wiser.

[CrimsonFox]

Run Papa Bear run! I honestly thought his undies were going to slip off.

Spoiler

Next week's preview....I don't know....Cochran in charge and making a move? That crazy. But actually Keith and the blond girl are definitely going to get rid of ozzy for sure. Jim would sell out his own grandmother. I just don't think right NOW is the time to get rid of Ozzy when you keep losing.

Brandon = pschyo killer (f-f-f-f-ffa fa -f-f-f-f-f-faa-faaaa)

[larrymcg421]

Brandon is crazy. He said from the beginning he wanted to be different from Russell, then tried to pull a Russell move on Mikayla. Then the next episode he feels bad about it and says he's not going to do that anymore. The very next scene he is getting into a fight with Mikayla and causing a big scene at camp. I think the guy is bipolar.

[cubboyroy1826]

Brandon definitely is a whacked out dude. He reminds me of a lot of people that talk God God God and then turn around and are just plain nasty and constantly ask for forgiveness.

[Kodos]

He is doing no favors for the image of devout Christians.

[Lathum]

I'm not sure if Cochran is going to even come close to pulling a move or if they are just teasing us

[cubboyroy1826]

I think they are teasing but I would love to see him pull it off.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Run Papa Bear run! I honestly thought his undies were going to slip off.

Spoiler

Next week's preview....I don't know....Cochran in charge and making a move? That crazy. But actually Keith and the blond girl are definitely going to get rid of ozzy for sure. Jim would sell out his own grandmother. I just don't think right NOW is the time to get rid of Ozzy when you keep losing.

Brandon = pschyo killer (f-f-f-f-ffa fa -f-f-f-f-f-faa-faaaa)

Spoiler

But if you're in Cochran's position (bottom two on the tribe), you kind of turn the tables to change your standing in the tribe. The easiest way to least another 3 days is try to oust Ozzie. The other way to do it would be to create dissension among the 5, kind of like Russell did with his own tribe the first time he played. Gosh, I can't believe that guy has played 3 times already.

[Draft Dodger]

I would not let Brandon hold the machete, that's for sure

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

I would not let Brandon hold the machete, that's for sure

+1

[EagleFan]

A few years from now we're going be reading about the bodies found buried in Brandon's back yard.

I think that Cochran helped himself in a way that he didn't realize at tribal. When he said that someone getting the individual idol shows that a prson doesn't trust his tribe. They guy that Ozzie told popped his head up a bit on that one. Maybe he planted a seed there.

[CrimsonFox]

Yeah Keith and the blond already want Ozzy gone and Ozzy is clueless about it. But he could easily wise up.

I mean he WAS ousted with the idol before. He might play it next week.

I think Cochran might be a goner if he tries something.

Well he could easily get Dawn. If he =finds out about the idol then he told JIm, Jim would go in too.

So Jim Dawn Keith Cochran Blond

That could be the new 5.

[larrymcg421]

I'm hoping Ozzy's tribe loses the immunity challenge tonight, so we can finally see if Cochrane/Jim can pull their big move off. I still think it's dumb to take Elyse out instead of Ozzy. If Elyse goes, then Ozzy will certainly play his idol the next time they go to Tribal, meaning he has a very good chance of making it to the merge. At that point, they won't be able to vote him out unless they get a comfortable advantage in numbers.

[larrymcg421]

Spoiler

Wow, that was an awesome episode of Survivor and finally the first really suspenseful tribal council. Cochrane is now in an interesting position, because the longer he stays the less of a target he'll be because others will want to bring him along to the end, thinking they can easily beat him in a vote.

If they lose the IC again, I hope the Jim, Cochrane, Dawn alliance are smart enough to target Keith/Whitney because Ozzy is sure to play his idol next time. This is why I think Keith/Whitney are idiots. They've pissed of not only Ozzy, but also the new alliance of three.

[CrimsonFox]

Moves glorious moves!

Not sure what exactly Keith and Whitney were thinkng.
But I'll take it all the same. Crazy. Not sure if they realized that NOT voting for cochran is the same as voting for Ozzy or elise

Anyway it was good that they jumped ozzy's ship. Keith REALLY needed to spill the beans on ozzy's idol. I really don't know why keith would even consider TELLING ozzy.

[Racer]

Agree with Keith/Whitney made a dumb decision. By putting their votes on Dawn instead of Cochran or Elyse, they

1.) they made themselves look like a pair which is what caused Elyse to get axed
2.) They gave both Ozzy and the Dawn/Cochran/Jim alliance a reason not to trust them

[Sublime 2]

Was I the only one partially gagging during the challenge, yet couldn't keep my eyes off it?

[heybrad]

Does anybody else think Cochrane looks like a vampire?

And on the vote... Coch Train? Really?

[larrymcg421]

If Ozzy was smart, he'd make nice nice with Keith/Whitney. His idea should be to get them to have the alliance of three target him so he can play the idol and knock out one of the three. But it looks like he is just going to pout.

With the fractured Savaii, it looks like Upolu is going to dominate this one, but things could change.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Sublime 2

Was I the only one partially gagging during the challenge, yet couldn't keep my eyes off it?

I was gagging afterwards when the winning tribe took the meat back to camp to eat with them...and then heard the injuries the other tribe got during that challenge...blech!

[Thomkal]

It sure would have been great to see Ozzy's face last night if Cochrane, Jim, and Dawn pulled a fast one and voted Ozzy out-and with an idol in his pocket and not a fear in the world that he'd be voted out. Would have been priceless...and that tribe probably would have lost every challenge to the merge after that.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

It sure would have been great to see Ozzy's face last night if Cochrane, Jim, and Dawn pulled a fast one and voted Ozzy out-and with an idol in his pocket and not a fear in the world that he'd be voted out. Would have been priceless...and that tribe probably would have lost every challenge to the merge after that.

Yeah, but Ozzy will very likely tank at least one of the challenges before the merge. He's got a get out of jail free card, so he can afford to do that and weaken his current tribe if he wants to defect to Coach's tribe. An Ozzy/Coach/Albert/Sophie alliance of 4 would be pretty hard to beat.

Of course, I would hope that Coach is smart enough to not let Ozzy do that. He should immediately vote Ozzy out immediately post-merger unless the tribal balance is close and they need his vote.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I was gagging afterwards when the winning tribe took the meat back to camp to eat with them...and then heard the injuries the other tribe got during that challenge...blech!

They showed a quick flash of them washing it off at least