Ted Kennedy has passed

PilotMan · 08-26-2009, 12:30 AM

I guess we all knew it was just a matter of time. RIP

JediKooter · 08-26-2009, 01:13 AM

I'm having a drink right now. RIP Ted, stay away from those bridges.

RainMaker · 08-26-2009, 03:44 AM

Sad, not just for the loss of Ted Kennedy, but the end of essentially all the Kennedys now. An important and influential part of our country's history.

Swaggs · 08-26-2009, 06:54 AM

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-26-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

I'm having a drink right now. RIP Ted, stay away from those bridges.

Wow. Didn't even let the thread get into the flow of things. Just banged it out right in the first response. It was going to happen sooner or later.

DaddyTorgo · 08-26-2009, 07:35 AM

RIP

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Originally Posted by Harry Reid, Senate majority leader

"Because of Ted Kennedy, more young children could afford to become healthy. More young adults could afford to become students. More of our oldest citizens and our poorest citizens could get the care they need to live longer, fuller lives. More minorities, women and immigrants could realize the rights our founding documents promised them. And more Americans could be proud of their country. Ted Kennedy's dream was the one for which the founding fathers fought and for which his brothers sought to realize. The liberal lion's mighty roar may now fall silent, but his dream shall never die."

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Originally Posted by Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah)

"Today America lost a great elder statesman, a committed public servant, and leader of the Senate. And today I lost a treasured friend. "Ted Kennedy was an iconic, larger than life United States senator whose influence cannot be overstated. Many have come before, and many will come after, but Ted Kennedy's name will always be remembered as someone who lived and breathed the United States Senate and the work completed within its chamber."

Just two of the reactions (I went bipartisan on purpose) that I found most...stirring.

We all have known it was coming, but truly a sad day.

SirFozzie · 08-26-2009, 07:42 AM

Here's something that I found funny, and poignant, from the CNN.com obit:

"He was probably best known for the ability to work with Republicans," said Adam Clymer, Kennedy's biographer. "The Republican Party raised hundreds of millions of dollars with direct appeal to protect the country from Ted Kennedy, but there was never a piece of legislation that he ever got passed without a major Republican ally."

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-26-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Here's something that I found funny, and poignant, from the CNN.com obit:

"He was probably best known for the ability to work with Republicans," said Adam Clymer, Kennedy's biographer. "The Republican Party raised hundreds of millions of dollars with direct appeal to protect the country from Ted Kennedy, but there was never a piece of legislation that he ever got passed without a major Republican ally."

That could be said for most legislation passed by most senators, not just Ted. As we're seeing even in the current session, without some level of bipartisan support, very few bills would be passed. The money was raised to indirectly help kill many of the bills that he didn't pass.

Greyroofoo · 08-26-2009, 08:09 AM

He's now in that big bar in the sky.

ISiddiqui · 08-26-2009, 08:20 AM

DaddyTorgo · 08-26-2009, 08:22 AM

and one more

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Originally Posted by Barack Obama

"For five decades, virtually every major piece of legislation to advance the civil rights, health and economic well being of the American people bore his name and resulted from his efforts.

I valued his wise counsel in the Senate, where, regardless of the swirl of events, he always had time for a new colleague. I cherished his confidence and momentous support in my race for the Presidency. And even as he waged a valiant struggle with a mortal illness, I've profited as President from his encouragement and wisdom.

An important chapter in our history has come to an end. Our country has lost a great leader, who picked up the torch of his fallen brothers and became the greatest United States Senator of our time."

Noop · 08-26-2009, 08:33 AM

sterlingice · 08-26-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

He's now in that big bar in the sky.

If there's a congressional bar in heaven, he's being welcomed home by the ones who went before him.

SI

DaddyTorgo · 08-26-2009, 08:45 AM

i'm waiting for more details...i'm not a huge fan of like...sentimental public gatherings or anything, but if there's going to be some sort of public-something, or if they're going to lay his coffin in state in the hall of the State House or something I think I might make an exception.

flere-imsaho · 08-26-2009, 09:08 AM

FMLA, WIC, Americorps, etc....

RIP

chesapeake · 08-26-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

That could be said for most legislation passed by most senators, not just Ted. As we're seeing even in the current session, without some level of bipartisan support, very few bills would be passed. The money was raised to indirectly help kill many of the bills that he didn't pass.

Collegiality is certainly a hallmark of the Senate. But Kennedy was genuinely popular with the Republican Senators because he would always bend over backwards to try to accomodate them. And he would be up front with you if he simply couldn't. This is becoming less and less the way things are done in Congress, which is a shame.

JPhillips · 08-26-2009, 09:19 AM

Kennedy also wasn't a great politician. He had policies he wanted to see enacted and he worked his tail off to get deals done. He would rarely put partisan gain ahead of his policy preferences.

Galaxy · 08-26-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm waiting for more details...i'm not a huge fan of like...sentimental public gatherings or anything, but if there's going to be some sort of public-something, or if they're going to lay his coffin in state in the hall of the State House or something I think I might make an exception.

Not a fan at all of his. I'm interesting to see what they do as well.

molson · 08-26-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Wow. Didn't even let the thread get into the flow of things. Just banged it out right in the first response. It was going to happen sooner or later.

Maybe a little early in the thread for it - but its a tough thing to give someone a pass for. It's part of the man. There would have been decades in prison if it were later time, and if he had a different last name.

But maybe he was inspired after that to be a better man and to give back.

gstelmack · 08-26-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Not a fan at all of his.

Me either.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-26-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Not a fan at all of his. I'm interesting to see what they do as well.

Whatever they do, I'm sure that an extended happy hour will be part of the proceedings.

stevew · 08-26-2009, 09:45 AM

Not a fan.

fantom1979 · 08-26-2009, 10:11 AM

I have always wondered how his life would have been different if a couple of moments in time had changed for him. What if one or more of his brothers had not been assassinated? What if that car had not gone off that bridge? Would he have been president? Imagine if no one knew who Jimmy Carter or even Ronald Reagan was.

Kodos · 08-26-2009, 10:12 AM

"Teddy Kennedy. Good Senator. Lousy date." - Denis Leary

path12 · 08-26-2009, 10:38 AM

DaddyTorgo · 08-26-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by more from Obama

He was "not only one of the greatest senators of our time, but one of the most accomplished Americans ever to serve our democracy," President Obama said, speaking to reporters during his vacation in Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts.

"His extraordinary life on this earth has come to an end. The extraordinary good that he did lives on. For his family, he was a guardian. For America, he was the defender of a dream."

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Originally Posted by joe biden

Vice President Joe Biden said today he was a "witness to history" in the 36 years he spent in the Senate with Senator Edward M. Kennedy.
"Teddy spent a lifetime working for a fair and more just America," Biden said in Washington.

"I sat with him on the Senate floor in the same aisle. I sat with him on the Judiciary Committee physically next to him. And I sat with him in the caucuses. And it was in that process -- every day I was with him -- and this is going to sound strange, but he restored my sense of idealism and my faith in possibilities of what this country could do."

powerful words

JediKooter · 08-26-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Wow. Didn't even let the thread get into the flow of things. Just banged it out right in the first response. It was going to happen sooner or later.

Couldn't resist, sorry. Plus, for whatever reason, I always associate drinking when I hear his name. Kind of like W.C. Fields.

lungs · 08-26-2009, 12:06 PM

His eulogy at Bobby's funeral is a tear jerker whenever I see it, RIP, Ted.

RendeR · 08-26-2009, 12:16 PM

Yes he had his faults (don't we all) but we could sure as hell use a LOT more politicians who had the work ethic and foresight to move this country the way he has over the decades.

He will be sorely missed.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-26-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Yes he had his faults (don't we all) but we could sure as hell use a LOT more politicians who had the work ethic and foresight to move this country the way he has over the decades.

He will be sorely missed.

So being an alcoholic and leaving a girl for dead is a regular thing in this country? Who knew? Learn something new every day.

Maybe I'm an idealist, but that doesn't fly real well with me.

SirFozzie · 08-26-2009, 12:52 PM

Story on CNN about a family, and specifically a little russian girl, that Kennedy saved in Russia.

'Littlest refusenik' on Kennedy: 'He saved my life' - CNN.com

Mizzou B-ball fan · 08-26-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Story on CNN about a family, and specifically a little russian girl, that Kennedy saved in Russia.

'Littlest refusenik' on Kennedy: 'He saved my life' - CNN.com

Would have been nice had he extended the same courtesy to Mary Jo.

SirFozzie · 08-26-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Would have been nice had he extended the same courtesy to Mary Jo.

Quit threadcrapping, MBBF.

DaddyTorgo · 08-26-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Quit threadcrapping, MBBF.

seriously

Radii · 08-26-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Quit threadcrapping, MBBF.

just to make sure i remembered correctly, I went and re-read the "Jesse Helms Died This Morning" thread.

I'm pretty sure FOFC precedent allows it! Plus, its MBBF, he isn't capable of saying that 2+2=4 without coming across like an arrogant douchebag, no reason to expect anything different here. But as far as the basic idea, it seems like fair game to me.

SirFozzie · 08-26-2009, 01:39 PM

It's MBBF's usual one-trick-ponyism. Was Ted Kennedy perfect? Hell no. He will have to answer for the events of Chappaquiddick. Just like Dante Stallworth will have to answer for his issues. But to constantly reply to everything with the one liner about this IS threadcrapping, and he needs to be called on it.

Dr. Sak · 08-26-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

But as far as the basic idea, it seems like fair game to me.

I agree. Just because one person wants to post the rosy side and another wants to post the dark side, doesn't make one any more right than the other.

SirFozzie · 08-26-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I agree. Just because one person wants to post the rosy side and another wants to post the dark side, doesn't make one any more right than the other.

Sorry, ,but I have to call Bullshit, Sak.

To reply to every post with the same thing IS threadcrapping. I guess it was too much to think that folks wouldn't turn this into yet another political, but this is FOFC after all.

cuervo72 · 08-26-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I guess it was too much to think that folks wouldn't turn this into yet another political, but this is FOFC after all.

Kennedy was a politician!

SirFozzie · 08-26-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

Kennedy was a politician!

political flamewar, sorry.

Have a pedant point :P

Dr. Sak · 08-26-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Sorry, ,but I have to call Bullshit, Sak.

To reply to every post with the same thing IS threadcrapping. I guess it was too much to think that folks wouldn't turn this into yet another political, but this is FOFC after all.

Hey Foz...Ignore him. A lot of people on here same the same shit over and over in a thread. Ignore it.

cuervo72 · 08-26-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

political flamewar, sorry.

Have a pedant point :P

A politician dies, and you expect a thread discussing his life and career isn't going to be political? Really?

Radii · 08-26-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Hey Foz...Ignore him. A lot of people on here same the same shit over and over in a thread. Ignore it.

*golf clap*

Izulde · 08-26-2009, 01:55 PM

Let's all get drunk and post in the Ping: Drunk Guy thread instead.

DanGarion · 08-26-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Sorry, ,but I have to call Bullshit, Sak.

To reply to every post with the same thing IS threadcrapping. I guess it was too much to think that folks wouldn't turn this into yet another political, but this is FOFC after all.

Gotta agree with Foz here, it's as bad as the UCLA fan that keeps yelling 13-9 at me, when USC is winning 8 straight Pac-10 titles and the Rose Bowl year after year....

molson · 08-26-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

just to make sure i remembered correctly, I went and re-read the "Jesse Helms Died This Morning" thread.

I'm pretty sure FOFC precedent allows it!

I think this came up with Kirby Puckett too. So it's not JUST politics.

Ted was extremely fortunate to get off as easily as he did, but then again - it did probably cost him the presidency. That's a pretty big penalty. Coming out of Vietnam and Watergate he should have been a slam dunk in '76. Imagine Kennedy v. Regan in '80. It really is a facinating "what if".

stevew · 08-26-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Would have been nice had he extended the same courtesy to Mary Jo.

Well, he saved the russian girl to make up for the one he lost. So does that make him even now?

Did he make it across the River Styx, or did he wreck again?

Abe Sargent · 08-26-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Wow. Didn't even let the thread get into the flow of things. Just banged it out right in the first response. It was going to happen sooner or later.

With all due respect, the guy was responsible for the death of another person due to whatever reason you beleive, but that fact cannot be dissacciated with him. Imagine what pople would say if today Leonard Little had died. In his thread, someone would mention the cloud over his life, even in passing.

Chief Rum · 08-26-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Gotta agree with Foz here, it's as bad as the UCLA fan that keeps yelling 13-9 at me, when USC is winning 8 straight Pac-10 titles and the Rose Bowl year after year....

13-9 BABY!!!

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 08-26-2009, 04:19 PM

I'm not sure why, when someone dies, it is considered poor form to remember anything bad about him. People who do bad things deserve to have people remember bad things about them.

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08-26-2009, 07:42 AM	#7
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Here's something that I found funny, and poignant, from the CNN.com obit: "He was probably best known for the ability to work with Republicans," said Adam Clymer, Kennedy's biographer. "The Republican Party raised hundreds of millions of dollars with direct appeal to protect the country from Ted Kennedy, but there was never a piece of legislation that he ever got passed without a major Republican ally." __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

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RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Sad, not just for the loss of Ted Kennedy, but the end of essentially all the Kennedys now. An important and influential part of our country's history.

08-26-2009, 08:09 AM	#9
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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm waiting for more details...i'm not a huge fan of like...sentimental public gatherings or anything, but if there's going to be some sort of public-something, or if they're going to lay his coffin in state in the hall of the State House or something I think I might make an exception. __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

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flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	FMLA, WIC, Americorps, etc.... RIP

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JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Kennedy also wasn't a great politician. He had policies he wanted to see enacted and he worked his tail off to get deals done. He would rarely put partisan gain ahead of his policy preferences. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Not a fan.

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fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	I have always wondered how his life would have been different if a couple of moments in time had changed for him. What if one or more of his brothers had not been assassinated? What if that car had not gone off that bridge? Would he have been president? Imagine if no one knew who Jimmy Carter or even Ronald Reagan was.

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Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	"Teddy Kennedy. Good Senator. Lousy date." - Denis Leary

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lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	His eulogy at Bobby's funeral is a tear jerker whenever I see it, RIP, Ted.

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RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Yes he had his faults (don't we all) but we could sure as hell use a LOT more politicians who had the work ethic and foresight to move this country the way he has over the decades. He will be sorely missed. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

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08-26-2009, 01:39 PM	#36
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	It's MBBF's usual one-trick-ponyism. Was Ted Kennedy perfect? Hell no. He will have to answer for the events of Chappaquiddick. Just like Dante Stallworth will have to answer for his issues. But to constantly reply to everything with the one liner about this IS threadcrapping, and he needs to be called on it. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

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