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Baseball Mogul 2007 gets serious
Aside from the (to me) extremely annoying habit of releasing "2007" games in 1Q 2006, here's a rundown of the features...
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02-01-2006, 09:17 PM | #2 |
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Sounds very promising.
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02-01-2006, 09:22 PM | #3 |
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i have never purchased BM. Played the demo and thought it was interesting but seemed unpolished. Consider my cautiously optomistic though. I'll have to try the demo, but it sounds great. Graphical pitching interface=GOLD.
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02-01-2006, 09:22 PM | #4 | |
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Did we already know this? Or is this news? (I mean, it's news to me, but was I just behind the curve or is this the first anybody has heard of it?)
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02-01-2006, 09:28 PM | #5 | |
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Meaning the "exclusive" part? Does that mean that OOTP can't import the database anymore? |
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02-01-2006, 09:32 PM | #6 |
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BM was the first baseball manager that I tried and I fell in love with it until I found OOTP, but this certainly sounds like it may be worth a look.
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02-01-2006, 09:35 PM | #7 |
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BB Mogul is what started me in text sims, but I'm very sceptical that all of these features will work. I would expect it to be very buggy and the stats will still be way out of whack. Clay makes fun "beer&pretzel" type games, but they just don't have the depth or accuracy of the good sims. Its nice to see him breaking out of his shell, but I'll hold off on this until I get a bunch of positive reviews.
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02-01-2006, 09:36 PM | #8 |
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Ugh - I've been burned twice now by BM with the promises of improved this and redisigned that. Even the latest version was so far removed from the dynamics of real professional baseball it was a joke. OOTP will get my money when it comes out, as it should yours as well.
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02-01-2006, 09:36 PM | #9 |
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BM was always my favorite due to it's ease of play and "baseball manager-lite" feel.
The last one I got was BM2004. I want to here more good than bad to pick this up, but I am hoping for good reviews. |
02-01-2006, 09:58 PM | #10 |
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BM is BM.
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02-01-2006, 10:00 PM | #11 | |
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02-01-2006, 10:08 PM | #12 | |
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02-01-2006, 10:22 PM | #13 |
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Has he fixed the problem where runners stay on first base on groundouts to second and the batter is out.
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02-01-2006, 10:25 PM | #14 |
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Never again.
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02-01-2006, 10:33 PM | #15 |
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Yes Virginia!
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02-01-2006, 10:34 PM | #16 |
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I'd have to hear glowing reviews on here from a fair number of people (or play a demo that knocks my socks off) before I'd buy.
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02-01-2006, 10:35 PM | #17 | |
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02-01-2006, 10:58 PM | #18 | |
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How do you get some thing that is free exclusively? |
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02-01-2006, 11:11 PM | #19 | |
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As in, licensed by the MLBPA? Where the hell is he going to get that kind of dough? |
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02-01-2006, 11:24 PM | #20 | |
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Could a big company be backing him? |
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02-01-2006, 11:53 PM | #21 |
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He gets the rosters cause the game includes, or links to the lehman database. It seems shady that he's getting them without a real license. If this is actually a legal practice, then could'nt Jim basically include a roster database with his game, and then have the "real players" in it as well?
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02-01-2006, 11:57 PM | #22 |
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However, that bullet point talks about updated rosters throughout the season and minor league players. I'm ignorant, but does the Lehmen database update midyear? Does it include minor league players?
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02-01-2006, 11:57 PM | #23 | |
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02-02-2006, 12:05 AM | #24 | |
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Just so long as the 12 point personality profile doesn't go like this:
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02-02-2006, 12:36 AM | #25 |
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i guess i am in the minority that likes BM more than OOTP(although i think the last OOTP i got was 2003 or 04)...i am pretty stoked about the graphical interface though...i for one am excited to see the demo.
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02-02-2006, 05:08 AM | #26 |
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OOTP Baseball Manager 2006 will allow you to import the Lahman database, nothing changes there.
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02-02-2006, 05:15 AM | #27 |
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I originally started off on BM, and I'll buy the versions once they hit the $10 clearance bin, play for them 5 minutes, then go back to OOTP.
Last time I bought it at full retail price was back with the 2003 version. I'm honestly thinking this is going to be another $10 one. I've gotten too used to OOTP and the community there.
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02-02-2006, 05:43 AM | #28 |
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I read the title of this thread as:
Baseball Mogul 2007? Get Serious! |
02-02-2006, 06:19 AM | #29 |
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02-02-2006, 06:33 AM | #30 |
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BM makes we want to BM.
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02-02-2006, 07:06 AM | #31 |
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Knowing all the issues he had with a simple one pitch batter/pitcher confrontation, it makes me shudder to think of the problems that will be created with a pitch-by-pitch mode. Was his user community clamoring for a pitch-by-pich mode to begin with?
His niche was a quick-simming, career-based baseball sim. How can one mention the following as "features" all in one breath: "pitch-by-pitch mode", "minor league simulation engine" and "faster simulation speed". Okay, what this says to me is: different engines for minors vs. majors (yuck). A "tacked-on" pitch-by-pitch mode - you can't have faster sims and at the same time add that level of micro game management. Unless...there's two different engines being used - one for pitch-by-pitch and one for quick simming. Oh great, when I use pitch-by-pitch, my team is 12-0, but when I quick sim, we're 5-15! Really, this game could be good, and I have no doubt that Clay is smart and knowledgeable about baseball (I see him post on the SABR mailing lists all the time), I just don't understand why his game doesn't live up to the hype. Ever.
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02-02-2006, 07:16 AM | #32 | |
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02-02-2006, 08:13 AM | #35 |
This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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OOTP uses the Lahman Database. BBM is becoming the exclusive licensee of the "Sean Lahman Baseball Database." Next year, I'll be the exclusive licensee of the "SL Baseball Database."
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02-02-2006, 09:06 AM | #36 |
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02-02-2006, 09:13 AM | #37 | |
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I really got worried when I read about all the new, fancy features, then got to the end and saw the remark about 30-second sim seasons. |
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02-02-2006, 09:35 AM | #38 | |
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02-02-2006, 11:11 AM | #39 |
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This has to be a joke... all this NEW stuff? What about the debacle that was BM 2006? Was that game not "serious" ?? It definitly played that way.
Like EF said, MAJOR, MAJOR glowing reviews from several hundred people before I would even think about it. Actually, I feel dirty for reading the first post. Time for a cold shower. Last edited by MizzouRah : 02-02-2006 at 11:12 AM. |
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02-02-2006, 11:29 AM | #41 | |
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Because he has minions who buy the game year after year regardless of quality. He doesn't have any motivation to ever release a finished product. He just moves on to the next year's edition before the previous one is finished, and people gobble it up... |
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02-02-2006, 11:46 AM | #42 | |
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Maybe he needs to raise the price and therefore raise the expectations?
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02-02-2006, 11:53 AM | #43 |
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Sounds like there's a method to the madness. If he did raise the price, then there WOULD be greater expectations - greater than what he'd like to live up to. I'm sure he's quite comfortable with the $19.99 pricepoint.
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02-02-2006, 12:04 PM | #45 |
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02-02-2006, 12:17 PM | #46 |
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BM is a joke.
Even if BM comes to my door on bended knee, with a handful of excellent reviews and begs for me to take him back, I still won't yanked around by him again. Unless he also brings chocolate.
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02-02-2006, 12:18 PM | #47 |
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I know nothing about this product....but can it really be thios bad?
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02-02-2006, 12:23 PM | #48 |
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Sounds too good to be true....and you know what they say....
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02-02-2006, 12:24 PM | #49 |
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dola -- could be the sim baseball equivalent of MAXIMUM FOOTBALL
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02-02-2006, 12:27 PM | #50 |
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Even if BM ends up having all of those bells and whistles doesn't mean the guts of the game are going to be anything more than garbage.
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