Jesus is Love. Allah is Not.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 10:32 PM

Here is a site comparing the Karan to the Bible. Its a good place to start.

hxxp://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm

Jesus has one law. That law is Love. Its really that simple. If you Love others and serve others, you are being Christ-like. God wants us to be like Jesus Christ.

Allah is not about Love. Allah wants to win. Allah wants a man of Islam to be a dominant being over all others. And if it takes killing an unbeliever, so be it. If you die killing an unbeliever you go to the garden of paradise.

These are opposing views and shows the reason for conflict in the Middle East as well as their hatred for us.

MJ4H · 08-13-2009, 10:33 PM

KWhit · 08-13-2009, 10:35 PM

So enlightening.

"Jesus is love."

Ah. So I Jesus my wife. I Jesus my children.

And I really Jesus to drink cold beer and watch football.

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding · 08-13-2009, 10:36 PM

My best friend is a muslim and a houston rockets fan and he takes great offense. He believes god wants us all to be more like Rudy Tomjanovich.

JetsIn06 · 08-13-2009, 10:37 PM

RainMaker · 08-13-2009, 10:38 PM

You do know the Qur'an is essentially based on the narratives of the New and Old Testaments, right?

KWhit · 08-13-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

You do know the Qur'an is essentially based on the narratives of the New and Old Testaments, right?

Poppycock!

Next you'll be telling us that the Jews worship the same God as the Christians!

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

So enlightening.

"Jesus is love."

Ah. So I Jesus my wife. I Jesus my children.

And I really Jesus to drink cold beer and watch football.

Yes if you are a Christian.

M GO BLUE!!! · 08-13-2009, 10:44 PM

Pumpy Tudors · 08-13-2009, 10:44 PM

how do you feel about ea sports

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Poppycock!

Next you'll be telling us that the Jews worship the same God as the Christians!

The Jewish people are Gods chosen. He has a covenant portecting them. Christains believe in Jesus Christ, who was a Jew. So yes we do worship the same God.

KWhit · 08-13-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

The Jewish people are Gods chosen. He has a covenant portecting them. Christains believe in Jesus Christ, who was a Jew. So yes we do worship the same God.

Crap, you just totally blew my mind there. But they are so smarmy!

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 10:48 PM

Jesus was God in human form to die for our sins. In his life he healed and preached about Love. He was about teaching, healing and blessing.

RainMaker · 08-13-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

how do you feel about ea sports

I believe Allah would be EA sports.

MikeVic · 08-13-2009, 10:51 PM

Where did this come from?

KWhit · 08-13-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Where did this come from?

God, obviously.

Or Jesus.

Or Love.

KWhit · 08-13-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

God, obviously.

Or Jesus.

Or Love.

But NOT from Allah.

MrBug708 · 08-13-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

My best friend is a muslim and a houston rockets fan and he takes great offense. He believes god wants us all to be more like Rudy Tomjanovich.

Does that make L. Ron Hubbard, Kermit Washington?

M GO BLUE!!! · 08-13-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Jesus was God in human form to die for our sins. In his life he healed and preached about Love. He was about teaching, healing and blessing.

Now that's actually two different statements.

Part 2 I completely agree with, and I believe it makes part 1 irrelevant.

As for part 1... did Jesus in his life ever stand up and proclaim that he was a living God, in human form, here to die for the sins of man? Or is this something that was written to build a great man to greater heights to promote the greater good of his teachings to a populace that was largely pagan and unable to conceive that a man could teach more their "gods." Consider man's tendency to embellish to promote their own agenda.

CU Tiger · 08-13-2009, 11:01 PM

tarcone, dude Ive liked you for years before you even showed up here...but why?

this is what turns so many apathetics against Christians.
A few months ago you found your meaning in life, now you post a random thread like this which just serves to alienate others

Schmidty · 08-13-2009, 11:05 PM

Wait.......the original poster is a Christian?

This is going to get ugly. Any actual discussion will not happen. This will just be a.......slaughter.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

tarcone, dude Ive liked you for years before you even showed up here...but why?

this is what turns so many apathetics against Christians.
A few months ago you found your meaning in life, now you post a random thread like this which just serves to alienate others

Well, its not really random. Panerd and I were discussing it over in the Obama thread and he wanted me to start a thread to discuss it not in the Obama thread.

I really dont see why this would alienate. But if it does, Im sorry to hear that. But what if it turns one person to Christ? Then it is a good thread.

Radii · 08-13-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CU Tiger

A few months ago you found your meaning in life, now you post a random thread like this which just serves to alienate others

Well after posting in the Obama's presidency thread that some things Obama was saying made him sound like the Anti-Christ and getting the expected responses to that, it was suggested that he start a separate thread, and here we are.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Now that's actually two different statements.

Part 2 I completely agree with, and I believe it makes part 1 irrelevant.

As for part 1... did Jesus in his life ever stand up and proclaim that he was a living God, in human form, here to die for the sins of man? Or is this something that was written to build a great man to greater heights to promote the greater good of his teachings to a populace that was largely pagan and unable to conceive that a man could teach more their "gods." Consider man's tendency to embellish to promote their own agenda.

He didnt have to proclaim it. He rose from the dead. He healed, he brought Lazarus back from the dead.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Wait.......the original poster is a Christian?

This is going to get ugly. Any actual discussion will not happen. This will just be a.......slaughter.

I really hope the board is mature enough to have a discussion. Yes I know that is a lot to ask for sometimes. But one can hope and pray for it.

Big Fo · 08-13-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Where did this come from?

From the Obama Presidency thread.

ISiddiqui · 08-13-2009, 11:12 PM

Jesus is Love. Yahweh is Not (dude, look what he did to the Jews!!)

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

He didnt have to proclaim it. He rose from the dead. He healed, he brought Lazarus back from the dead.

Zeus also did some pretty bloody amazing things.

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

I really hope the board is mature enough to have a discussion. Yes I know that is a lot to ask for sometimes. But one can hope and pray for it.

Is "Jesus is love" or "God is love" really a mature discussion? How can that generate any kind of worthwhile conversation?

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:16 PM

God made a covenant with the Jews. He let them suffer. They had sins. But of all the ancient civilizations in that time period, the Jews are the only one to exist.

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

My best friend is a muslim and a houston rockets fan and he takes great offense. He believes god wants us all to be more like Rudy Tomjanovich.

Hell, even God wants to be more like Rudy Tomjanovich.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

Is "Jesus is love" or "God is love" really a mature discussion? How can that generate any kind of worthwhile conversation?

Jesus is Love.

And I hope it could generate some worthwhile conversation. Why wouldnt or couldnt it?

In fact I really hope it does. Just in the last couple of days I have learned a lot from having this discussion in the Obama thread.

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

God made a covenant with the Jews. He let them suffer. They had sins. But of all the ancient civilizations in that time period, the Jews are the only one to exist.

Unfortunately they are all going to hell though, right?

Schmidty · 08-13-2009, 11:20 PM

Matthew 10:22

*ducks*

Radii · 08-13-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

I really dont see why this would alienate. But if it does, Im sorry to hear that. But what if it turns one person to Christ? Then it is a good thread.

It alienates different people for different reasons.

It alienates me personally because it appears you're attempting to dictate right and wrong through your own personal, private beliefs, and I feel very deeply that each individual is entitled to their own beliefs. Furthermore, I feel that your beliefs (at least as I perceive them based on reading what you've written so far) help to contribute to the religious based hatred in the world just as much as the people you are calling out. Calling out a large group of people and openly telling them their beliefs are wrong is not about love or acceptance of others, its about hate, and it saddens me to see it.

The fact that you couldn't see this coming is kinda sad too, and I don't mean that in a sarcastic way. Maybe I'm reading too much into that but when you say that it seems to me that you are so sure you're right... so sure that people who disagree with you are wrong, that you aren't even open to the possibility of differing viewpoints, or accepting and being ok with the fact that others believe differently than you. Presenting the kinds of things you're saying as simple fact is quite offensive and ignorant.

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Jesus is Love.

And I hope it could generate some worthwhile conversation. Why wouldnt or couldnt it?

In fact I really hope it does. Just in the last couple of days I have learned a lot from having this discussion in the Obama thread.

OK, let's try.

Allah is love. There. I said it.

I. J. Reilly · 08-13-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Does that make L. Ron Hubbard, Kermit Washington?

*clapping*

CU Tiger · 08-13-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Well, its not really random. Panerd and I were discussing it over in the Obama thread and he wanted me to start a thread to discuss it not in the Obama thread.

I really dont see why this would alienate. But if it does, Im sorry to hear that. But what if it turns one person to Christ? Then it is a good thread.

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Originally Posted by Radii

Well after posting in the Obama's presidency thread that some things Obama was saying made him sound like the Anti-Christ and getting the expected responses to that, it was suggested that he start a separate thread, and here we are.

sorry I was ill informed.
I avoid the Obama thread because nothing good can come of my presence there.
Regardless of his religious affiliations

AENeuman · 08-13-2009, 11:27 PM

I guess the summer doldrums are over..

It such a peaceful board until Jesus showed up

M GO BLUE!!! · 08-13-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

OK, let's try.

Allah is love. There. I said it.

Ok. God is Allah. Allah is Buddah. Buddah is Jehova.

I called my dad dad, pop & old man. I thought differently of him than other people did. Still was the same guy.

Noop · 08-13-2009, 11:32 PM

Are we once saved or always saved?

When Jesus prayed who did he pray too? Assuming that Jesus was God in the flesh.

If God can see the past and future doesn't that eliminate free will? And if there is no free will then things like suffering are a product of God's will.

I can go for days.

M GO BLUE!!! · 08-13-2009, 11:32 PM

Dola... It makes me wonder if it would piss anybody off if I started a new sect called "Buddha's Witnesses."

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Matthew 10:22

*ducks*

Nicley put.

tarcone · 08-13-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

It alienates different people for different reasons.

It alienates me personally because it appears you're attempting to dictate right and wrong through your own personal, private beliefs, and I feel very deeply that each individual is entitled to their own beliefs. Furthermore, I feel that your beliefs (at least as I perceive them based on reading what you've written so far) help to contribute to the religious based hatred in the world just as much as the people you are calling out. Calling out a large group of people and openly telling them their beliefs are wrong is not about love or acceptance of others, its about hate, and it saddens me to see it.

The fact that you couldn't see this coming is kinda sad too, and I don't mean that in a sarcastic way. Maybe I'm reading too much into that but when you say that it seems to me that you are so sure you're right... so sure that people who disagree with you are wrong, that you aren't even open to the possibility of differing viewpoints, or accepting and being ok with the fact that others believe differently than you. Presenting the kinds of things you're saying as simple fact is quite offensive and ignorant.

Im not dictating anything. I am speaking the truth. It is not hatred. I pray for unbelievers. I pray for Osama Bin Laden to find Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is about Love and helping others. Why wouldnt you want to believe in something like this?

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!

Dola... It makes me wonder if it would piss anybody off if I started a new sect called "Buddha's Witnesses."

Buda's Witnesses would be more appropriate.

ISiddiqui · 08-13-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

God made a covenant with the Jews. He let them suffer. They had sins. But of all the ancient civilizations in that time period, the Jews are the only one to exist.

?

Egyptians, Chinese, Persians (now Iranians), Greeks...

Jews got a raw ass deal. Their god sucks

.

Izulde · 08-13-2009, 11:36 PM

You do realize that the site is nothing more than quote cherry-picking right?

You can do the same exact thing in reverse.

larrymcg421 · 08-13-2009, 11:37 PM

Do you think Jesus wants you to make assumptions about someone else's religious beliefs? Do you think that entices people toward Christianity or does it reinforce that judgmental stereotype that turns many people away?

DaddyTorgo · 08-13-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Wait.......the original poster is a Christian?

This is going to get ugly. Any actual discussion will not happen. This will just be a.......slaughter.

lol

Groundhog · 08-13-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Im not dictating anything. I am speaking the truth. It is not hatred. I pray for unbelievers. I pray for Osama Bin Laden to find Jesus Christ.

I'll ask my Islamic and Buddhist friends to pray for you, too.

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Jesus Christ is about Love and helping others. Why wouldnt you want to believe in something like this?

Sure, if you ignore every other part of the bible except the ones that fit in your "Jesus is about ", it can be about anything you want it to be about.

I believe in treating people, for the most part, as I'd wish to be treated, donate to the poor, and just generally don't act like an asshat, and it's not because I'm trying to score points with god to get in to heaven. Why wouldn't you want to believe in something like that?

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