College Football Week 13: THE BORDER WAR!!!!!!!!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Oh, yeah! It's on! No more 'what-if' scenarios! Beakers vs. Tigers. #2 vs. #4. Winner moves one step closer to the National Championship. Is it sad that I'm at work on Monday already wishing that Saturday was here? I can feel the hatred flowing through my veins.

Vegas spread: Pick 'em.

My prediction: Tigers by 10.

For those of you heading out to College Gameday, some sign ideas..........

"Mangino Ate My Other Sign"

"Roses are red, violets are blue, Kansas and feces are both #2."

"Thanksgiving left-overs at an all-time low; Mangino to blame."

"Pinkel thinking win, Mangino thinking Arby's".

"lacK of institUtional control" (K & U highlighted red and blue)

[Atocep]

Didn't they change the name a few years ago because the word War is offensive?

[Butter]

Yes, thank goodness there is finally a thread where we can discuss Missouri sports.

[MrBug708]

Missouri was cooler to talk about when they had Quinn Snyder

[JPhillips]

Is Mangino overweight or something?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Didn't they change the name a few years ago because the word War is offensive?

They changed it to 'Border Showdown' because the new KU AD from Connecticut thought that it was offensive to soldiers fighting the war in Iraq (despite most military soldiers disagreeing with that reasoning). Mizzou's AD was dumb enough to agree to it. Funny part is that even the media writers for KU and MU still call it the Border War in the newspaper. Fans also still call it the Border War. It's the 'Border Showdown' in name alone.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Yes, thank goodness there is finally a thread where we can discuss Missouri sports.

Yes, we obviously need more University of Cincinnati 'moral victory' threads.............

[MizzouRah]

Down with KU!!!

[Dr. Sak]

[Dr. Sak]

[Galaxy]

Missouri is like the Playstation 3. Kansas is like the Wii or 360.

[Dr. Sak]

Hey Missouri, we'll get an NHL Team first!

[Huckleberry]

Should be a great game. Definitely looking forward to it and the pick'em line is just about right.

Also looking forward to the North being favored in the championship game for the first time in a long time (1999?)

[Hammer755]

All I need is for Mizzou to beat Kansas then lose to Oklahoma, and have LSU or WVU lose.

Signed,
Buckeye Fan

[Dr. Sak]

You might want to hope for an Arizona State loss while you're at it.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by Hammer755

All I need is for Mizzou to beat Kansas then lose to Oklahoma, and have LSU or WVU lose.

There's a decent chance that Oklahoma won't even make it to the B12 Championship game. Their two best offensive players QB Sam Bradford (concussion), who leads the nation in passing efficiency and RB Demarco Murray (dislocated kneecap on the onside kick) are out, and four of their top five DE's are out. They are either going to have to pull a redshirt or move a DT to DE.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by bsak16

You might want to hope for an Arizona State loss while you're at it.

Might help but I don't think its necessary. You think an ASU 1 loss team would get the nod over a tOSU 1 loss team? This is all about money and Buckeyes bring in more than Sundevils.


I don't care who wins the border war, as long as the winner losses the conf title game =)

Oh and GO UCONN!

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Might help but I don't think its necessary. You think an ASU 1 loss team would get the nod over a tOSU 1 loss team? This is all about money and Buckeyes bring in more than Sundevils.

The only BCS bowl that is not all about money is the championship game. Computers don't care and the coaches and Harris voters don't get a cut based on who goes.

[RendeR]

Ok fine, I'll say what I really meant then:


Buckeyes are more popular, with everyone that matters in the BCS, than the Sundevils.


happy now? couldnt just take your candy and go home happy? HAD to egg me on ? =)

[Scarecrow]

Did you hear about Mangino getting lost driving in KC?


He was spotted on the side of the road by a state trooper, who pulled over and asked him if he needed something. Mangino told him he was looking to get to 435. The trooper answered, "maybe if you cut out the sweets and ate a salad or two."

NOTE: This joke only works for people familiar with I-435 in KC.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

They changed it to 'Border Showdown' because the new KU AD from Connecticut thought that it was offensive to soldiers fighting the war in Iraq (despite most military soldiers disagreeing with that reasoning). Mizzou's AD was dumb enough to agree to it. Funny part is that even the media writers for KU and MU still call it the Border War in the newspaper. Fans also still call it the Border War. It's the 'Border Showdown' in name alone.

Something those of us from Kansas and Missouri can both agree on- changing the name was stupid- it's still the Border War. (Then again, our AD is a money grubbing whore and world class twit but that's another story for another day...)

SI

[WSUCougar]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Is Mangino overweight or something?

You mean, like, relatively? Um, no...

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Yes, thank goodness there is finally a thread where we can discuss Missouri sports.

To be fair, for those of us in Kansas, this may be our first and only time to be in the spotlight for football. We don't ever get to be the game of the week, never have and may never again. And, while I think a lot of the people in town (particularly students) think this could become a regular thing, I, like most of the others who have been here for a while, are just enjoying the moment

SI

[Young Drachma]

I thought this was about the Colorado State-Wyoming game. Also called The Border War, for the Bronze Boot trophy.

All that either team has left to salvage a disappointing year. More for Wyoming, given how well it started. But...par for the course in the past few years.

[k0ruptr]

Boise - Hawaii Friday night 9 est

[IMetTrentGreen]

Kansas: good offense good defense
Missouri: good offense terrible defense

I think Kansas wins both this game and the Big 12. If Mangingo weighed 250 instead of 350, every school in the country would want him. Guy is a great coach. Michigan should take him.

[BYU 14]

The only war that matters this week is "The Holy War"


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[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

Kansas: good offense good defense
Missouri: good offense terrible defense

You're selling Mizzou's defense short. They may not be the best in the B12, but they're certainly not terrible. Also, MU's schedule has obviously been much tougher than KU's schedule, so it's nearly impossible to compare scoring and yardage states given the difference in teams that they've played. Both of them are ranked in the top 3 in the conference in team offense and defense. KU's scoring stats on both sides of the ball are padded quite a bit by the easy non-conference schedule that has been well documented.

On the offensive end, Mizzou is the only team in the nation to score 30+ points in every single game this year and usually puts up 40+ points. KU's defense isn't going to stop Mizzou's offense any more than the other teams that have tried. KU is still going to have to get at least 35 points to have a chance to win this game.

[Passacaglia]

Did Kansas and Missouri ever have a border war? This seems like a name that would be better suited for the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Did Kansas and Missouri ever have a border war? This seems like a name that would be better suited for the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry.

The first unofficial battles of the Civil War were actually fought between Kansas and Missouri residents as early as 1854.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas

Also, the names 'Jayhawkers' and 'Tigers' actually originated from the Civil War units in those given states. Missouri had the 3rd most number of soldiers fighting in the Civil War behind only Tennessee and Virginia. Of course, Missouri soldiers fought on both sides. And perhaps you've heard of Quantrill..........

Most fans of MU and KU know the rivalry between the schools is rooted in the civil war. Many know nothing more than what is commonly said of an early road trip to Lawrence: “The notorious outlaw band of William Quantrill, accompanied by psychopathic killers such as Cole Younger and “Bloody Bill” Anderson, committed the worst atrocity of the Civil War with their unprovoked raid on Lawrence, Kansas in which they massacred the citizenry and burned the town to the ground.” Or something to that effect. Many do not understand the extent of devastation that had previously been wreaked on western Missouri by free-booters operating out of Kansas. Most do not understand the extent to which Missourians such as Quantrill’s followers has been forced into a war they did not want.

Prior to the Civil War, the average Missourian was a Christian, family-centered, land-owning farmer. While most were of Southern descent, they were not slave-owners. Only one in eight Missouri families held slaves. They were Unionists. At the State secession convention, even after several states had seceded from the Union, over 70% of Missourians had voted for Unionist delegates. To understand how Missouri was torn apart during the Civil War, one must understand developments in the decades prior to the war, and particularly the territorial disputes in neighboring Kansas.

The territorial era of Kansas was profoundly influenced by the sectional fight for national supremacy, the resulting Kansas-Nebraska Act, and the ensuing struggle between abolitionist and pro-slavery forces for victory in the statehood elections. Both sides demonstrated they would engage in nearly any means (legal, extra-legal, or illegal) to win the elections. After John Brown (of later Harpers Ferry infamy) brutally hacked to death a number of pro-slavery Kansas settlers in 1856, the struggle turned increasingly bloody and brutal. Ruffians on both sides engaged in theft, murder and various other forms of mayhem. The border ruffians on the pro-slavery side came to be known as jayhawkers, while those on the pro-slavery side were called bushwhackers. Abolitionist forces (aided by a well-funded and well-armed campaign of emigration from the northeast) eventually prevailed, and Kansas joined the United States in 1861. In looking back on the territorial period, neither side in the conflict could claim innocence in the lawless struggle. However, an early historian of that era (of Massachusetts stock and a professor at the University of Kansas at the time of his writing) observed, “…in comparison with the Missourians, whose sins were black enough, jayhawkers were the superior devils.”

In the early years of the Civil War, the “deviltry” turned into hell for many Missourians. After the election of Lincoln, the firing on Fort Sumter, and the outbreak of open hostilities between North and South, radical abolitionists and a variety of unprincipled opportunists from Kansas declared total war on western Missouri. Many Kansans who enlisted with the Union undoubtedly were motivated by noble virtues of freedom and equality. However, many who joined the armed camps springing up in Kansas had more dubious motives. One of their leaders was Jim Lane, an unprincipled demagogue who was driven much more by ambition than by abolition. When his career as a politician in Indiana began to falter, Lane emigrated to Kansas looking for opportunity. Lane admitted that “if Kansas had been a good hemp and tobacco state, I would have favored slavery.” However, after gauging the political winds, Lane instead chose to ride abolition and animosity against Missourians to new political heights, and proceeded to recruit military forces independent from the state government.

The promise of plunder helped to fill the ranks of the forces being raised by Lane and others. The hardships of life on the Kansas prairies had resulted in a steady stream of former settlers heading back east throughout the territorial period. In 1860 a great drought began. For more than a year little or no rain fell, and crops failed. An estimated 15,000 to 20,000 Kansas were rendered destitute and dependent on charity. Because of its older and more robust socio-economy, Missouri remained a land of relative riches. Many Kansans jumped at the chance to improve their economic status at the expense of the detested Missourians.

One of the first groups to take advantage was the Seventh Kansas Cavalry, also known as the Southern Kansas Jay-Hawkers, under the command of the notorious Charles Jennison. The term “jayhawker” was used in that era to describe outlaws who would rob and plunder the unwary traveler or settler. As the Civil War unfolded, the term Jayhawker became synonymous with Kansans who used the causes of anti-slavery and Unionism as cover for criminal and predatory activities. As an Illinois newspaper editor reported, “A Jayhawker is a Unionist who professes to rob, burn out, and murder only rebels in arms against the government…They are all lawless and indiscriminate in their inequities.”

With many able-bodied Missouri men away in either Confederate or Union arms, Jennison and his gang of Jayhawkers had free play among the women, children, and old men who remained across the border. The Jayhawkers had taken to heart the years of anti-Missouri propaganda. In the words of one Kansas abolitionist, “When I deal with men made in God’s image, I will never shoot them; but these pro-slavery Missourians are demons from the bottomless pit and may be shot with impunity.” A jayhawker orgy of theft, torture, and cold-blooded murder commenced. Jennison raided the prosperous trading centers of Westport, Kansas City, and Independence. Other groups of Jayhawkers under Jim Lane and James Montgomery plundered and burned a string of Missouri towns: Osceola (at that time one of the largest population centers in western Missouri), Pappinsville, and Morristown. In their predations, the jayhawkers made little effort to distinguish between Union and Secessionist among the Missouri residents.

By the spring of 1862, less than a year after the opening salvos of the Civil War had been fired at Fort Sumter, much of the wealth of western Missouri had been stripped off by the marauding Kansans. Millions of dollars in property were stolen or destroyed. Wagon trains of booty and vast herds of stolen livestock were taken into Lawrence and other bases of jayhawking operations. Hundreds of Missourians were dead. Sometimes the lucky ones were the men that were shot, hung, or burned. Thousands of wives and children were now without husband and father, without home, and completely dispossessed. One illustration of the human suffering comes from a Jayhawker sergeant’s report: “…we saw a woman approaching from down the dreary, uninhabited roadway. She was on foot and was carrying a baby hugged to her breast, with four little children also walking…All were in their nightclothes and all wet to the skin; children crying from cold and hunger. The babe was dead…the mother died from exposure within 36 hours. The four children were sent to four different homes.”

The criminal nature and motivation of the Jayhawkers was amply documented in contemporary reports and correspondence. During the summer of 1861, the surgeon in Montgomery’s Jayhawker command described most in his regiments as “villains who joined the force for protection in their plundering operations.” Lieutenant Colonel Daniel R. Anthony, a senior officer in Jennison‘s Southern Kansas Jay-Hawkers, wrote his brother-in-law back east, “Don’t you want a captaincy or a majorship in the army - or don’t you want to come out here and speculate in cattle - horses and mules - there is a good chance to buy cheap - and stock a farm here at little expense - I would advise you to come out and try it.”

At the outbreak of the war, most Missourians had remained Unionist. Fewer than 5,000 had responded to the initial call of Missouri secessionists for 50,000 Missourians to join the Confederate armies. However, with the Jayhawkers operating under the flag of the Union, many Missourians came to view the war as nothing more than a federally sanctioned invasion of hearth and home. At the outset of his jayhawking expedition into Missouri, perhaps as justification for the indiscriminate looting that was to ensue, Jennison had proclaimed, “…neutrality is ended. If you are patriots you must fight (for the Union), if you are traitors you must be punished.” Forced to choose, Missourians now flocked to the flag of the Confederacy.

Too late, high-ranking Union leaders realized the damage that the Jayhawkers had wrought. General Henry Halleck, Commander of the Department of the West, wrote of the Jayhawkers: “They are no better than a band of robbers; they cross the line, rob, steal, plunder, and burn whatever they can lay their hands upon. They disgrace the name and uniform of American soldiers. The course pursued by those under Lane and Jennison, has turned against us many thousands who were formerly Union men.”

Some in the federal command sought to curtail the criminal actions of the jayhawkers, but the genie was already out of the bottle. Because the conventional Confederate forces in the region were forced to stay south of the Missouri-Arkansas border after their defeat at the battle of Pea Ridge, the young men and boys of Missouri who wished to protect their homes and oppose the jayhawkers had only one choice, to join the irregular Confederate forces. Some joined the Missouri Partisan Rangers to resist the jayhawkers and oppose the Union army of occupation. Other Missourians conducted their own raids into Kansas and against pro-Union Missourians. Some sought the return of stolen goods, some sought revenge for murdered friends and family, others were simply the Missouri version of the low-life jayhawkers (called bushwhackers). The violence continued to spiral downward. Unable or unwilling to differentiate between the legitimate activities of Missouri Partisan Rangers and the bushwhackers, Union forces adopted severe policies against all in arms against the Union. One such policy was execution of captured Missouri guerillas. This only steepened the descent into the horrors of total war. An inspector general of the Union army, tasked with reporting on the impact of the no-prisoners policy in Missouri, wrote “The existing practice enables evil-disposed soldiers to rob and murder loyal and inoffensive citizens under the cover that they were acting as bushwhackers.” In retaliation, Union soldiers captured by Missouri Partisan Rangers and guerillas, formerly paroled, were now also summarily executed.

Another Union policy unleashed in western Missouri was the imprisonment of female relatives of known and suspected Missouri guerillas. In the summer of 1863, the collapse of a Union jail for women in Kansas City killed five of these young women, and crippled several more for life. Many believed the collapse was intentional (it is notable that no soldiers or guards were injured or killed in the event.)

Within a week of the jail collapse, a force of several hundred revenge-minded Missourians was on its way to Lawrence, Kansas and the history books. Lawrence was the home of the detested Senator Jim Lane, was a center of jayhawking operations, and was a veritable warehouse of goods that had been stolen from Missouri. The previously quoted KU professor wrote in 1906 that the gang of redlegs (a variant of the jayhawkers) based in Lawrence “contained men of the most desperate and hardened character, and a full recital of their deeds would sound like the biography of devils. Either the people of Lawrence could not drive out the freebooters, or they thought it mattered little what might happen to Missouri disloyalists.”

Aristotle observed, "Men regard it as their right to return evil for evil – and, if they cannot, feel they have lost their liberty." Shakespeare wrote, “If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?” But perhaps no-one stated the motivation of Quantrill more eloquently than a subordinate who described his commander as, “favoring the old dispensation to the new, that is, the gospel of Moses to that of Jesus Christ.” Quantrill decided that it would an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

The guerillas were hardened by the nature of the attack on their homes and families, and by the “extreme measures” used against them by Union forces. Bill Anderson, soon to be known as “Bloody Bill”, lost a sister in the jail collapse. Cole Younger, whose father had previously been murdered by jayhawkers, lost two female cousins in the jail collapse. In the words of a guerilla biographer,

“Almost from the first a large majority of Quantrell's original command had over them the shadow of some terrible crime. This one recalled a father murdered, this one a brother waylaid and shot, this one a house pillaged and burnt, this one a relative assassinated, this one a grievous insult while at peace at home, this one a robbery of all his earthly possessions, this one the force which compelled him to witness the brutal treatment of a mother or sister, this one was driven away from his own life a thief in the night, this one was threatened with death for opinion's sake, this one was proscribed at the instance of some designing neighbor, this one was arrested wantonly and forced to do the degrading work of a menial; while all had more or less of wrath laid up against the day when they were to meet face to face and hand to hand those whom they had good cause to regard as the living embodiment of unnumbered wrongs.”

Yes, the revenge of the guerillas riding under Quantrill would be severe.

Prior to the jayhawking expeditions of Lane and Jennison in 1861-1862, Governor Robinson of Kansas had tried to stop Lane and his ilk, stating there was little for Kansans to fear from secessionist forces in Missouri, but warning “…what we do have to fear…is that Lane’s brigade will get up a war by going over the line, committing depredations, and then returning into our State.” That warning went unheeded, and on August 21, 1863, the people of Lawrence would pay the price. Within a week of the collapse of the Kansas City jail, William Quantrill and the Missouri guerilla fighters under his command conducted their infamous raid on Lawrence, Kansas. Quantrill failed in the primary objective of the Lawrence raid, the capture of Senator Jim Lane. However, Quantrill and his men were not be denied their revenge. Quantrill’s men gunned down and killed approximately 150 male residents of Lawrence (from a total population of slightly over 2,000). Approximately one-quarter of the buildings in Lawrence were put to the torch.

In response came one of the final escalations of the conflict. Union General Thomas Ewing had already been frustrated by the inability of his forces to defeat the Partisan Rangers operating out of western Missouri, and in the wake of the Lawrence raid he was under intense political pressure to act. Jayhawker leader Jim Lane was calling for the men of Kansas to assemble on the border for the purpose of marching into Missouri and carrying out a campaign of “devastation and extermination.” Four days after the Lawrence raid, General Ewing issued General Order No. 11, which called for the immediate and forced depopulation of several counties along Missouri’s western border. Most of the soldiers that enforced the order were Kansans who welcomed such a splendid opportunity to once again punish and prey upon the Missourians. A high ranking official in Missouri’s Union state government described how under the Order men “were shot down in the very act of obeying the order, and their wagons and effects seized by their murderers.”

Slavery was an evil that needed to be ended; unfortunately, the war that ultimately ended slavery in the United States was used as cover for criminals such as the Jayhawkers to achieve their own evil ends. The war in Missouri was particularly brutal. In a post-war speech, Union Brigadier General John B.Sanborn stated “There exists in the breasts of the people of educated and Christian communities wild and ferocious passions…(which when loosed in the guerilla war) become more cruel and destructive than any that live in the breasts of savage and barbarous nations.”

Those passions, and the cruel and destructive behavior, occurred in people on both sides of the conflict. One side in the conflict took particular pride in it. Sanctimonious Kansans at the University of Kansas decided in 1890 to call their new football team the Jayhawkers, and later made the Jayhawk the official mascot of the KU athletic teams. At that time, many Missourians who had lost family, friends, and home in the jayhawking reign of terror during the Civil War were still alive. Students of the University of Missouri in 1891 were removed from that terror by only a single generation. Imagine their reaction when “Go Jayhawkers” was chanted at the inaugural MU-KU football game played that year. If the animosity between Kansans and Missourians had previously started to subside, it was certainly rekindled and stoked at that moment. The rivalry between Missourians and Kansans would live on, with the battles to be fought on the gridiron and hardwood. It would come to be known as The Border War.

[Young Drachma]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3119690

In an attempt to avoid a potential headache at the end of the regular season, the commissioners of the six BCS football conferences have voted to expand the pool of BCS at-large candidates from 14 to 18.

The new rule goes into effect only if there aren't enough teams among the top 14 of the final BCS standings to fill 10 slots in the BCS National Championship Game, Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl and Rose Bowl.

The new rule was approved by commissioners for the 2007 season and will be announced by the BCS on Tuesday.

"The commissioners voted that in a case where there wasn't enough teams in the at-large pool, they would expand it by four," said Charles Bloom, associate commissioner of the SEC and BCS media coordinator. "If there were enough teams to fill the BCS from the pool of 14, it wouldn't be expanded."

What kind of tripe is this? Making up new rules as they go along?

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3119690



What kind of tripe is this? Making up new rules as they go along?

To their credit, this seems like it will only come into play if the current rules make it impossible to fill out the BCS. This seems like they decided to expand the eligible teams instead of waiving the rule that each conference cannot send more than two teams. They should have, of course, come up with the contingeny plan at the beginning of the season, but, as messed up decisions by the people who run college football go, this one isn't totally horrible.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, it was either this, or potentially cancel one of the bowl games.

[Young Drachma]

I read it wrong, as I viewed it as part of a bigger power grab. Not that it's any better since non-BCS schools don't get helped by this, it's just a way to ensure more of the "power conferences" get their piece of pie.

Meh.

[IMetTrentGreen]

You're selling Mizzou's defense short

No, I'm not.

[Crapshoot]

For those of us neutrals, its good to know that Kansas is significantly easier to root for.

[Blade6119]

I agree your not, but you are over-selling the kansas defense

[Cuckoo]

I think Kansas is both better than many people think and also worse than many people think, all at the same time. My guess is Mizzou takes this one, though as an OU fan, I'd rather see them play Kansas if the Sooners can find some way to get by OSU this week or Texas loses to A&M.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The first unofficial battles of the Civil War were actually fought between Kansas and Missouri residents as early as 1854.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas

Also, the names 'Jayhawkers' and 'Tigers' actually originated from the Civil War units in those given states. Missouri had the 3rd most number of soldiers fighting in the Civil War behind only Tennessee and Virginia. Of course, Missouri soldiers fought on both sides. And perhaps you've heard of Quantrill..........

Sounds like quite a conflict, but I don't know why it would be called a border war.

[IMetTrentGreen]

I agree your not, but you are over-selling the kansas defense

No, I'm not. Missouri may win, especially since Reesing is hurt, but Kansas is the better all around team.

Chase Daniel had better be ready to bring it.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Did Kansas and Missouri ever have a border war? This seems like a name that would be better suited for the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry.

Seems pretty straightforward. Both are the flagship university of their state and the states border each other.

If that's not a border war, what is?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

If that's not a border war, what is?

Mark Mangino vs. the Taco Bell menu?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Seems pretty straightforward. Both are the flagship university of their state and the states border each other.

If that's not a border war, what is?

I guess this, since it involved a border.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War

[Scarecrow]

Here's why it's the Border War.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Mark Mangino vs. the Taco Bell menu?

That's like all of the branches of the US Military versus 8 kindergarteners armed with ping-pong ball burp guns.

[johnnyshaka]

KU - Where the "K" stands for "K"wality!!!

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

No, I'm not. Missouri may win, especially since Reesing is hurt, but Kansas is the better all around team.

Chase Daniel had better be ready to bring it.

Says who, you?

Chase Daniel will bring it, but don't start giving out excuses because Reesing is hurt. We are without one of our best defenders, Pig Brown.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Mark Mangino vs. the Taco Bell menu?

Let's be honest here. Those KU players sure do love those Chalupas.........

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/1999/no...spended_after/

KU PLAYER SUSPENDED AFTER TACO BELL INCIDENT
Donna Bergmann, Special to the Journal-World

November 18, 1999

An 11-game starter on this year's KU football team faces charges related to an early-morning incident at a Lawrence fast-food restaurant.

Drop the chalupa?

An angry Kansas University football player got stuck Wednesday in the drive-through window at Taco Bell after he tried to crawl through it to get to food servers who forgot the chalupa, a taco-like product, in his take-out order.

Senior defensive end Dion Rayford, who is 6-foot-3 and weighs 260 pounds, was stuck in the 14-by-46-inch opening when police arrived, Lawrence Police Sgt. George Wheeler said.

Taco Bell employees gave Rayford, 24, the wrong order about 2 a.m. He left his car and tried to crawl through the window at the restaurant, 1408 W. 23rd.

Tiffany Holly-Campbell, Taco Bell night manager, and three employees retreated and "locked themselves in the office," said Taco Bell manager Tito Lopez.

Police arrested Rayford, and he was booked into the Douglas County Jail at 3:35 a.m. Formal charges of disorderly conduct, open container of alcohol and misdemeanor damage to property (less than $500) were read by Douglas County District Judge Paula Martin at Rayford's first appearance at 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

Martin entered a "not guilty" plea on behalf of Rayford because he was not represented by counsel. Rayford said he would hire his own attorney, but he wasn't sure who would represent him.

Martin released Rayford on his own recognizance after the court appearance, adding conditions suggested by Douglas County Assistant Dist. Atty. Mark Knight. Those conditions were that he not return to Taco Bell or contact any witnesses to the incident.

Martin cited Rayford's "lack of priors" and his "ties to the community," in releasing Rayford.

Rayford's next court appearance, at which Martin will set a trial date, is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. Dec. 2.

Tuesday night, KU football coach Terry Allen announced that Rayford, a starter in all 11 Jayhawk football games this year, was suspended from Saturday's season finale against Iowa State.

"I'm disappointed for the young man, and frustrated as a coach to be put in the position to suspend someone from the final game of their career," Allen said. "But we can't tolerate that type of behavior in our program."

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

No, I'm not. Missouri may win, especially since Reesing is hurt, but Kansas is the better all around team.

Chase Daniel had better be ready to bring it.

Here comes the excuses.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Let's be honest here. Those KU players sure do love those Chalupas.........

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/1999/no...spended_after/

Ha, I'd forgotten about that. Nice catch.