Maximum Football???

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by QuikSand (post #1549)

Dude, I can't wait for that DEMO!

Bad news, Quik.

Originally Posted by Daivd

I would very much like to put out a demo of the game but at this time it's not something I have time to do.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Daivd

I would very much like to put out a demo of the game but at this time it's not something I have time to do.

It's the beginning of football season in the US, where demand, or at least curiosity, about football games is high, and he doesn't have the time to put out a demo.

[Antmeister]

Wasn't Maxiumum Football released 5 months ago from today?

[SunDevil]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

Wasn't Maxiumum Football released 5 months ago from today?

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

Wasn't Maxiumum Football unleashed 5 months ago from today?

Fixed.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by SunDevil

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Touche.

[Antmeister]

Ok, let me rephrase that:

Didn't Maximum Football sell a $50 alpha stage game 5 months ago from today?

[cartman]

Touche.

[Bee]

Is touche similar to a rouge?

[SirFozzie]

Don't tell me this fucking thread is going to hit 5000 posts....

[SirFozzie]

Dola: In my efforts to curse this thread into finally dying, I crashed the server for 15 minutes.

As we say on the mean streets of Franklin, MA...

Mah Bad, Dawg.

[digamma]

I may be able to take the Comets into the play-offs tonight!

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by cartman

It's the beginning of football season in the US, where demand, or at least curiosity, about football games is high, and he doesn't have the time to put out a demo.

Are you kidding? That's like Ford giving consumers a preview of how nicely the Pinto explodes at the Detroit Auto Show. NO ONE would put down money on this game after actually, *shudder*, playing the game.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Are you kidding? That's like Ford giving consumers a preview of how nicely the Pinto explodes at the Detroit Auto Show. NO ONE would put down money on this game after actually, *shudder*, playing the game.

Exactly. That shows how much faith he has in his product, that he won't let people do a "try before you buy", even though it has been almost half a year since it has been released. He has enough on his plate fixing the stuff that the small group of buyers has found, and I guess doesn't have the stomach to hear about the mountain of other things that an active install base of more than a few dozen would find.

[SnDvls]

this is the ultimate thread that won't die

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

this is the ultimate thread

Correction

[Bee]

I saw that most of the recent posts over at the MF general boards seem to be about the old Electric Football game (the one that would vibrate the field to move the players around). I'm not surprised it was brought up over there since it's probably statistically more accurate than MF.

[redfox000]

Originally Posted by Bee

I saw that most of the recent posts over at the MF general boards seem to be about the old Electric Football game (the one that would vibrate the field to move the players around). I'm not surprised it was brought up over there since it's probably statistically more accurate than MF.

Ouch.

[grisha]

Bee wins.

[QuikSand]

digamma, I recommend you check your M-F league... RomGrnt might be running one of your teams.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

digamma, I recommend you check your M-F league... RomGrnt might be running one of your teams.

No wonder those ineligible players keep ending up in games.

[Antmeister]

Getting back to that demo, they are still coming out with excuses 5 months later. Here are the last two posts of a thread talking about demos again:

Originally Posted by dreamtheatervt

Quoted for truth, because either a) people don't like to read previous posts or b) a lack of reading comprehension.

If you played and the FBPro series and like it, buy the game; it's like a vote of confidence in DW and should motivate him to continue to improve the game. It's a leap of faith I made, and the game is not unplayable now, the PDS/defense logic needs to be improved.

And just one more time ... David is just ONE man, and cannot perform the work of an entire staff on the same timeframe a team of programmers can ... because apparently people don't read.

They are still using the tired "He is just ONE man" excuse even though the creator of Puresim was able to come out with a demo, a discounted special, and a numerous amount of patches in a shorter amount of time. I could've sworn that he was just ONE man as well. Plus if they wanted to use the excuse that it is because it is a 3D game, I could show them plenty of independent 3D games that produced a demo at release or shortly after (about 2 to 4 weeks). And for some reason Erik manages to still come out with his canned response:

Originally Posted by Erik Rutins

We did make a decision to not spend time on a demo until after this release. As was mentioned above, a demo could be done but it would be done with time that could instead be spent on speeding up this major and fairly enormous update that's been in progress since the second update was released.

Because of the number of things this update has changed, the best course has been to keep working on it, keep testing it and move it ahead as quickly as possible. We haven't posted updates here on progress as often as we should, but it has been constant and the test team has been working on a major side project in improving the playbooks as well. I think that everyone with a copy of M-F will be quite happy once this update is released.

After that, we'll discuss the timing on the demo release.

Regards,

- Erik

I believe he has written that bolded part before the past two patch updates and yet that doesn't seem to be the case. Of course, he could very well mean that the current owners will be happy with the new update.

I don't know what to believe anymore. He was the one who claimed shortly before release that the game wasn't going to have any serious issues. After release, he claimed that he was surprised by the issues that somehow slipped by him and his staff. After the first two patches, the game had supposedly improved dramatically, but yet they can't release a demo because they really want to work on this major update that is still fixing a lot of major issues. Issues that people claimed never existed in the first place.

[QuikSand]

If you are looking for internal consistency in the statements coming from Winterland, I think you will never escape your confusion.

[Anthony]

Antmeister: i'm curious - you've put an awful lot of effort in this thread/topic (emphasis on awful), just wondering what you're looking to get out of it? is the reason for your interest you've displayed in this thread because you want to believe in the game, see its potential, but David keeps failing you, or do you think perhaps this is something everyone loves to bash on and you just want to lead the charge? i'm just not sure what your preferred outcome would be in all this - i would think after 96 pages of flogging this game it would have become apparent this thing is good for the garbage, yet here you are, still copying and pasting quotes from the MF forum and your "get a load of this, guys" demeanor. at first i thought you were semi-interested in the game and were hoping against hope that David would get things right. now i think you're interested in trying to keep this thread alive so that we can have fun at someone else's expense regarding a product that has no reason attracting this much attention. i just think it's funny that you of all people, someone who enjoys creating songs (and now videos), are so keen to poo poo on a fellow creator.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i just think it's funny that you of all people, someone who enjoys creating songs (and now videos), are so keen to poo poo on a fellow creator.

Sorry HA, but calling Daivd a creator is like calling me a chick magnet.

That shit just ain't true no matter how you cut the deck.

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

Antmeister: i'm curious - you've put an awful lot of effort in this thread/topic (emphasis on awful), just wondering what you're looking to get out of it? is the reason for your interest you've displayed in this thread because you want to believe in the game, see its potential, but David keeps failing you, or do you think perhaps this is something everyone loves to bash on and you just want to lead the charge? i'm just not sure what your preferred outcome would be in all this - i would think after 96 pages of flogging this game it would have become apparent this thing is good for the garbage, yet here you are, still copying and pasting quotes from the MF forum and your "get a load of this, guys" demeanor. at first i thought you were semi-interested in the game and were hoping against hope that David would get things right. now i think you're interested in trying to keep this thread alive so that we can have fun at someone else's expense regarding a product that has no reason attracting this much attention. i just think it's funny that you of all people, someone who enjoys creating songs (and now videos), are so keen to poo poo on a fellow creator.

Well that's an interesting questiion. The very reason why I was interested was at one point, long before this thread was created, I had a strong interest in Maximum Football. Of course, we all know this fell well short of expectation and normally that would be it.

However, I never seen someone who had been less than honest throughout the whole process and felt that he probably would have "cashed it in" if he would have sold a substantial number of copies. In other words, I am in the belief that he would have no longer supported the game if he sold a lot of copies of that game on first release and that didn't settle well.

It may not have been the case, he may have just crumbled under the pressure of trying to support the thing and decided to quit, but you don't do that if you are passionate about something.

The reason why I had believed that is when I kept hearing complaints about what happened with CFL 99, which is another game he created. He created that game, barely supported it and then stopped cold turkey. He then stopped selling copies of the game and left a lot of people pissed off who wanted to support him. That's not right.

So basically, I actually want to see how far he takes this game. He knows damn well this game wasn't ready and I have a hard time believing Matrix didn't know as well. But I am really interested to see if he gets it to the state as advertised and I actually believe that the private beta team is taking it in that direction slowly. I don't want to see him quit. If you have the passion, you keep going and don't make excuses to why can't do a number of things. And yes, I would buy the game if he got it to that point.

I don't quite get the statement about what I would get out of it. I just share my opinion/information on something just like anyone else does. I don't get anything out of making songs/videos because I like to do that stuff. I don't really care what one's opinion is on it since I was blasted for my earlier songs, but kept making because they were fun for me. I have freeware/shareware threads for lot of games because that is what I am passionate about. I don't get anything out of either one.

But that was a fair question.

[Anthony]

cool, i can buy that logic and i see where you're coming from.

hey, i'm the first guy to crack a joke if something is funny, but there is a side of me that feels bad for the guy. i'm of the belief that he actually thought he could make this a full time job like Solecismic, but his inexperience and other factors just won't make that possible. my wife and i always wish we could start a small little company together so i guess i see a little bit of me in the Winters' situation. i felt bad for his wife (who brought things upon herself obviously), cuz my wife would have done the same thing - she's a very "stand by your man" kinda gal.

i probably stated a couple times in this thread i would love to have created a game even 75% of what MF is, for me that'd be a mammoth accomplishment. David's only fault is charging as much as he did. should have sold the game for at least $20, and all along humbly said it was a work in progress but every game he sold would allow him to further develop the game. i don't think people mind being paid beta testers as long as you let them know ahead of time. he never should have marketed the game as the second coming of FPS.

there's noone to blame in this MF mess other than David, which is shame cuz a different tact would have went a long way. i certainly wouldn't want 96 pages of bashing my game if i created something, that would demotivate me to the point where i'd probably stop putting time/effort into games altogether. it's a shame, really.

nevertheless it seems you are being sincere.

[digamma]

L.A. Comet football time!
L.A. Comet football time!
L.A. Comet football time!
L.A. Comet football with a baseball bat!

Week 13
We play Philadelphia, who is struggling this season.

The summary:

00   00   
                    PHI            LA

1st Downs           8              14
Rushing             54             120
Passing             130            231
Penalties           5/35           3/10
Net Yards           149            341
Total Plays         55             70
Rushing
  Attp/Yds          29/54          40/120
  Avg Gain          1.9            3.0

Passing
  Comp/Att          17/26          19/30
  Yards             130            231
  Avg Gain          7.6            12.2
  Int               0              1
  Sacks             0              0

Kicking
  Punts             8/357          8/342
  Field Goals       1 of 3         1 of 1

Time Of Pos         57:27          2:33


Individual

Passing: 
 PHI -- GORCZYNSKI 17-26, 130 yds, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 
 LA -- DERRER 17-24, 208 yds, 0 TDs, 0 INTs.
NICKENBERRY 2-6, 23 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INTs.

Receiving:
 PHI -- SCHAEFERS 7-69 0 TDs, STMARTIN 10-61 0 TDs, 
 LA -- ZITTEL 11-92 0 TDs, SANDINE 5-93 0 TDs, 
NOTT 3-46 0 TDs,  

Rushing: 
 PHI -- GORCZYNSKI 9-17 0 TDs, ARENOS 20-37 0 TDs,  
 LA -- DERRER 10-20 1 TDs, NICKENBERRY 2-6 0 TDs, 
DUMESNIL 12-42 0 TDs, HYDE 16-52 1 TDs,  

Kicking:
 PHI -- FELICE 1 of 3, 
 LA -- SHOGREN 1 of 1, 

Individual 

Tackles:
 PHI -- ZACCAGNINI 8, AUYONG 7, KIROVAC 9, 
KLEVENE 3, NORDSTROM 7, HERTZBERG 8, 
LOUP 6, CZYSZ 4, CALLIHAM 1, 
DUPRAS 2, CRIADO 2, 
 LA -- GOTTHELF 6, MAISEL 3, WINGETT 4, 
HURTA 3, MCOY 3, WAYFORD 2, 
VAETH 6, ELLCESSOR 7, SCHOEN 5, 
MCGREEN 3, LIGHTSEY 4,  

Sacks:
 PHI -- 
 LA -- 

Int:
 PHI -- NORDSTROM 1-0, 
 LA -- 

They manage to hold the ball for 57 minutes, but it's just not enough, as our high powered, efficient offense is able to put up 17 points. The defense is stout, holding Philly to 3 and we cruise to 12-1 with a 17-3 win.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

hey, i'm the first guy to crack a joke if something is funny, but there is a side of me that feels bad for the guy. i'm of the belief that he actually thought he could make this a full time job like Solecismic, but his inexperience and other factors just won't make that possible. my wife and i always wish we could start a small little company together so i guess i see a little bit of me in the Winters' situation. i felt bad for his wife (who brought things upon herself obviously), cuz my wife would have done the same thing - she's a very "stand by your man" kinda gal.

This guy continously fed everybody garbage about how the game was "almost ready" for several years, then released a buggy piece of crap "game" that was unplayable and not even close to being in the same universe - let along ballpark - that he had made it out to be. These factors and many more make it impossible to not enjoy taking a dig at him.

Usually I would not derive much enjoyment for making fun of a guy's labour of love, but the way this guy carries himself, well... he deserves it.

[digamma]

Week 14

We travel to Chicago. Chicago is battling Cleveland for their division lead. We handed Cleveland two losses earlier in the season, and now it's Chicago's turn to play us twice in the last three games.

The summary:

00   00   
                    CHI            LA

1st Downs           10             20
Rushing             93             162
Passing             214            305
Penalties           5/45           2/10
Net Yards           262            457
Total Plays         55             75
Rushing
  Attp/Yds          32/93          45/162
  Avg Gain          2.9            3.6

Passing
  Comp/Att          14/23          16/30
  Yards             214            305
  Avg Gain          15.3           19.1
  Int               1              1
  Sacks             0              0

Kicking
  Punts             8/325          5/230
  Field Goals       0 of 0         1 of 1

Time Of Pos         52:01          7:59


Individual

Passing: 
 CHI -- NASSER 14-23, 214 yds, 1 TDs, 1 INTs. 
 LA -- DERRER 14-25, 285 yds, 4 TDs, 1 INTs.
NICKENBERRY 2-5, 20 yds, 0 TDs, 0 INTs.

Receiving:
 CHI -- PERCE 5-84 0 TDs, HAZARIKA 8-119 1 TDs, 
SPILLANE 1-11 0 TDs, 
 LA -- ZITTEL 5-124 4 TDs, DUMESNIL 1-24 0 TDs, 
SANDINE 9-155 0 TDs, NOTT 1-2 0 TDs,  

Rushing: 
 CHI -- NASSER 13-42 0 TDs, BOLL 19-51 0 TDs,  
 LA -- DERRER 9-30 0 TDs, DUMESNIL 16-60 0 TDs, 
WYATT 1-6 0 TDs, HYDE 19-66 0 TDs,  

Kicking:
 CHI -- 
 LA -- SHOGREN 1 of 1, 

Individual 

Tackles:
 CHI -- DAGATA 8, HILLEMAN 11, BUENROSTRO 5, 
SILFIES 3, MAUNG 9, FELLENBAUM 11, 
HICKLIN 7, STURMAN 1, MCCRATE 1, 
CLARITY 5, 
 LA -- GOTTHELF 6, MAISEL 7, WINGETT 6, 
HURTA 7, MCOY 7, WAYFORD 3, 
VAETH 5, ELLCESSOR 2, SCHOEN 2, 
MCCLOY 1,  

Sacks:
 CHI -- 
 LA -- 

Int:
 CHI -- SILFIES 1-0, 
 LA -- WAYFORD 1-0, 

This is becoming a shampoo commercial. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Insert same old statistical jokes. Mention we won. Repeat.

We cruise to a 31-7 win.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by digamma

Insert same old statistical jokes.

Some of us LOOOOVE the statistical jokes.

[digamma]

Week 15

At 13-1, we feel pretty good about things heading into our game with Milwaukee.

The summary:

00   00   
                    LA             MIL

1st Downs           26             16
Rushing             172            101
Passing             333            176
Penalties           4/30           2/10
Net Yards           475            267
Total Plays         80             56
Rushing
  Attp/Yds          45/172         36/101
  Avg Gain          3.8            2.8

Passing
  Comp/Att          24/35          14/20
  Yards             333            176
  Avg Gain          13.9           12.6
  Int               0              1
  Sacks             0              0

Kicking
  Punts             1/41           4/175
  Field Goals       0 of 0         1 of 1

Time Of Pos         10:01          49:59


Individual

Passing: 
 LA -- DERRER 19-28, 279 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.
NICKENBERRY 5-7, 54 yds, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 
 MIL -- SINCELL 14-20, 176 yds, 1 TDs, 1 INTs.

Receiving:
 LA -- ZITTEL 13-197 1 TDs, SANDINE 5-63 1 TDs, 
NOTT 6-73 0 TDs, 
 MIL -- ETTISON 9-123 1 TDs, BRUENING 5-53 0 TDs,  

Rushing: 
 LA -- DERRER 6-25 0 TDs, NICKENBERRY 1-6 0 TDs, 
DUMESNIL 16-58 2 TDs, WYATT 3-16 0 TDs, 
HYDE 19-67 1 TDs,  
 MIL -- SINCELL 8-23 0 TDs, VAGLIARDO 26-69 1 TDs, 
KISINGER 2-9 0 TDs,  

Kicking:
 LA -- 
 MIL -- WEPPLER 1 of 1, 

Individual 

Tackles:
 LA -- GOTTHELF 5, MAISEL 6, WINGETT 10, 
HURTA 3, MCOY 6, WAYFORD 3, 
VAETH 9, SCHOEN 2, MCGREEN 3, 
LIGHTSEY 2, 
 MIL -- ROTSTEIN 9, TANKS 10, BARCLIFT 12, 
BENING 5, MEGGERS 10, FELDTMAN 4, 
KASSULKE 7, GAVIGAN 1, BABILON 3, 
OBYRNE 3, GOBERN 2,  

Sacks:
 LA -- 
 MIL -- 

Int:
 LA -- VAETH 1-0, 
 MIL -- 

This was actually a tad bit exciting to watch on the old simulation scoreboard. Back and forth the whole way, until we scored our fourth touchdown late in the fourth quarter to escape with the 28-24 win.

14-1!

[digamma]

Week 16

The final week of the regular season. Woo hoo!

Like I mentioned earlier, we play Chicago for the second time in three weeks. They were able to win last week to wrap up the North Division (we'll see if that is good enough to get them into the play-offs), so it looks like we decide to throw the rule book out the window and play a 15 minute game.

00   00   
                    LA             CHI

1st Downs           19             19
Rushing             149            112
Passing             367            283
Penalties           4/25           4/10
Net Yards           491            385
Total Plays         68             66
Rushing
  Attp/Yds          40/149         37/112
  Avg Gain          3.7            3.0

Passing
  Comp/Att          22/28          23/29
  Yards             367            283
  Avg Gain          16.7           12.3
  Int               0              0
  Sacks             0              0

Kicking
  Punts             4/181          5/218
  Field Goals       0 of 0         1 of 1

Time Of Pos         6:30           8:30


Individual

Passing: 
 LA -- DERRER 15-19, 254 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.
NICKENBERRY 7-9, 113 yds, 1 TDs, 0 INTs. 
 CHI -- NASSER 23-29, 283 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.

Receiving:
 LA -- ZITTEL 17-251 1 TDs, SANDINE 5-116 2 TDs, 
 CHI -- PERCE 13-171 2 TDs, HAZARIKA 10-112 0 TDs,  

Rushing: 
 LA -- DERRER 9-31 0 TDs, NICKENBERRY 2-8 0 TDs, 
DUMESNIL 11-41 0 TDs, HYDE 18-69 1 TDs,  
 CHI -- NASSER 10-31 0 TDs, BOLL 26-79 1 TDs, 
MAUCERI 1-2 0 TDs,  

Kicking:
 LA -- 
 CHI -- BALCH 1 of 1, 

Individual 

Tackles:
 LA -- GOTTHELF 9, MAISEL 6, WINGETT 8, 
HURTA 5, MCOY 4, WAYFORD 5, 
VAETH 9, ELLCESSOR 3, SCHOEN 8, 
MCGREEN 2, 
 CHI -- DAGATA 7, HILLEMAN 7, BUENROSTRO 6, 
SILFIES 5, MAUNG 6, FELLENBAUM 13, 
HICKLIN 6, STURMAN 2, STROY 4, 
MCCRATE 3, CLARITY 2,  

Sacks:
 LA -- 
 CHI -- 

Int:
 LA -- 
 CHI -- 

It looks like another 28-24 win, and we finish the regular season 15-1. Kudos to Zittel and Sandine in this one who put up some John Jefferson/Ahmad Rashad circa 1982 GEFL receiving numbers in this one. Too bad no one else got to catch a pass.

[digamma]

The standings...

So, to let you see the standings, it looks like I have two options. Take four separate screen shots. Upload them to a web page and post them here. Or copy them down quickly. Strangely, the latter seems like less work.

East
New York 13-3
Boston 7-9
Philadelphia 4-12
Washington 3-13

North
Chicago 11-5
Cleveland 10-6
Milwaukee 8-8
Pittsburgh 3-13

South
Miami 11-5
Dallas 11-5
Houston 7-9
Tampa 4-12

West
Los Angeles 15-1
Denver 10-6
San Francisco 9-7
Oakland 2-14

And, so we're all on the same page with regard to the play-offs, I offer this straight from the game manual.

8.1.8 Playoff Games
Once the season is complete, it’s time for the post season to determine the League Champion. Playoff games
cannot be created or played until the regular season is complete. Playoff games are subject to the same roster
rules as the regular season.
Due to the unlimited numbers of Conferences, Divisions, and teams in Maximum-Football, there are no predefi ned
playoff structures. Each playoff round must be created before the game is played.
For round one of the playoffs, you will be shown the Division standings and a list of games. Select the home team
from the Division list and apply it to the round list. Then select the visiting team and apply it to the round list.
Continue until all the games in the round are completed.
Subsequent rounds of the playoffs give you the option to select the winners of the previous round, or the divisional
winners (allowing for byes into the playoffs).
When saving a round with only a single game, you will be asked if this is the League Championship game.

Honestly, I have no idea what that means. It looks like we can just keep playing play-off rounds until our hearts are content, with division winners always having the option to play again (best two out of three? lose two in a row...best three out of five? lose...best four out of seven....). In the game, there is a "new round" button.

So, we have the standings. My question to you...who should make the play-offs? Why? Granted you have no information, other than a few scores from early in the season, scores versus the L.A. Comets and the final standings. But, that really shouldn't matter...should it?

[digamma]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Some of us LOOOOVE the statistical jokes.

And...you're in luck. I figured out how to export the league statistics into an excel file.

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by digamma

L.A. Comet football time!
L.A. Comet football time!
L.A. Comet football time!
L.A. Comet football with a baseball bat!

Week 13
We play Philadelphia, who is struggling this season.

The summary:

00   00   
                    PHI            LA

1st Downs           8              14
Rushing             54             120
Passing             130            231
Penalties           5/35           3/10
Net Yards           149            341
Total Plays         55             70
Rushing
  Attp/Yds          29/54          40/120
  Avg Gain          1.9            3.0

Passing
  Comp/Att          17/26          19/30
  Yards             130            231
  Avg Gain          7.6            12.2
  Int               0              1
  Sacks             0              0

Kicking
  Punts             8/357          8/342
  Field Goals       1 of 3         1 of 1

Time Of Pos         57:27          2:33


Individual

Passing: 
 PHI -- GORCZYNSKI 17-26, 130 yds, 0 TDs, 0 INTs. 
 LA -- DERRER 17-24, 208 yds, 0 TDs, 0 INTs.
NICKENBERRY 2-6, 23 yds, 0 TDs, 1 INTs.

Receiving:
 PHI -- SCHAEFERS 7-69 0 TDs, STMARTIN 10-61 0 TDs, 
 LA -- ZITTEL 11-92 0 TDs, SANDINE 5-93 0 TDs, 
NOTT 3-46 0 TDs,  

Rushing: 
 PHI -- GORCZYNSKI 9-17 0 TDs, ARENOS 20-37 0 TDs,  
 LA -- DERRER 10-20 1 TDs, NICKENBERRY 2-6 0 TDs, 
DUMESNIL 12-42 0 TDs, HYDE 16-52 1 TDs,  

Kicking:
 PHI -- FELICE 1 of 3, 
 LA -- SHOGREN 1 of 1, 

Individual 

Tackles:
 PHI -- ZACCAGNINI 8, AUYONG 7, KIROVAC 9, 
KLEVENE 3, NORDSTROM 7, HERTZBERG 8, 
LOUP 6, CZYSZ 4, CALLIHAM 1, 
DUPRAS 2, CRIADO 2, 
 LA -- GOTTHELF 6, MAISEL 3, WINGETT 4, 
HURTA 3, MCOY 3, WAYFORD 2, 
VAETH 6, ELLCESSOR 7, SCHOEN 5, 
MCGREEN 3, LIGHTSEY 4,  

Sacks:
 PHI -- 
 LA -- 

Int:
 PHI -- NORDSTROM 1-0, 
 LA -- 

They manage to hold the ball for 57 minutes, but it's just not enough, as our high powered, efficient offense is able to put up 17 points. The defense is stout, holding Philly to 3 and we cruise to 12-1 with a 17-3 win.

Ok, so basically Philly held the ball for 57 minutes with just 8 first downs and a 1.9 rushing average. Nice!

[digamma]

Individual Statistics

(category by category...and yes, this is the whole of them)

We'll start on the defensive side of the ball (I'm going in the order they exported onto the excel sheet.

Interceptions
Name	INT	Yards	Longest	TDs
GROEBNER (Washington)	2	0	0	0	0
BARBAGELATA (Washington)	4	0	0	0	0
REMINGTON (Cleveland)	1	0	0	0	0
ABRUZZINO (Miami)	3	0	0	0	0
GUTRERREZ (Miami)	1	0	0	0	0
SEIP (Miami)	3	0	0	0	0
PUGLIARES (San Francisco)	1	0	0	0	0
NUZENSKI (New York)	2	0	0	0	0
MYSLIWIEC (New York)	2	0	0	0	0
OBANION (New York)	1	0	0	0	0
BUCKMASTER (Oakland)	3	0	0	0	0
FRATTO (Oakland)	2	0	0	0	0
BENING (Milwaukee)	2	0	0	0	0
BLIESE (Pittsburgh)	1	0	0	0	0
HICKLIN (Chicago)	3	0	0	0	0
MODIN (Pittsburgh)	1	0	0	0	0
WHITLER (Pittsburgh)	2	0	0	0	0
SUBLETT (Denver)	1	0	0	0	0
REINOWSKI (Boston)	3	0	0	0	0
CZYSZ (Philadelphia)	2	0	0	0	0
CALLIHAM (Philadelphia)	1	0	0	0	0
DUPRAS (Philadelphia)	1	0	0	0	0
WAYFORD (Los Angeles)	5	0	0	0	0
VAETH (Los Angeles)	5	0	0	0	0
PINSKY (Houston)	2	0	0	0	0
KASSULKE (Milwaukee)	2	0	0	0	0
STORTO (Miami)	3	0	0	0	0
BISSON (Cleveland)	2	0	0	0	0
GANDRUD (New York)	2	0	0	0	0
WILHIDE (Oakland)	2	0	0	0	0
VOLBRECHT (Oakland)	1	0	0	0	0
MERKEL (Cleveland)	6	0	0	0	0
SILFIES (Chicago)	2	0	0	0	0
KLEVENE (Philadelphia)	3	0	0	0	0
FELDTMAN (Milwaukee)	1	0	0	0	0
BUDLONG (Denver)	4	0	0	0	0
WENGERD (Houston)	1	0	0	0	0
MAUNG (Chicago)	3	0	0	0	0
MCCRATE (Chicago)	1	0	0	0	0
NORDSTROM (Philadelphia)	1	0	0	0	0
HERTZBERG (Philadelphia)	3	0	0	0	0
MCOY (Los Angeles)	3	0	0	0	0
OBYRNE (Milwaukee)	1	0	0	0	0
HASELDEN (San Francisco)	5	0	0	0	0
COVENTRY (Tampa)	1	0	0	0	0
DEBRUHL (Pittsburgh)	3	0	0	0	0
PORTEN (Dallas)	5	0	0	0	0
SEMSEM (Dallas)	2	0	0	0	0
DROBNY (San Francisco)	3	0	0	0	0
BLUDWORTH (San Francisco)	1	0	0	0	0
TONETTI (San Francisco)	2	0	0	0	0
CUTHBERT (Dallas)	3	0	0	0	0
CARDINAL (Dallas)	1	0	0	0	0
LEDWITH (New York)	3	0	0	0	0
GAVETT (Dallas)	1	0	0	0	0
LOUP (Philadelphia)	3	0	0	0	0
CICALI (Oakland)	1	0	0	0	0
MENDIVIL (Tampa)	1	0	0	0	0
HEFFINGTON (Tampa)	1	0	0	0	0
OESTREICHER (Denver)	3	0	0	0	0
COLAR (Denver)	3	0	0	0	0
LEBRECHT (Denver)	1	0	0	0	0
SYLVIAN (Houston)	1	0	0	0	0
GEOFFREY (Houston)	2	0	0	0	0
BARTSCH (Pittsburgh)	2	0	0	0	0
ROSENKOETTE (Cleveland)	5	0	0	0	0
HUNTSBERRY (Boston)	2	0	0	0	0
ORREN (Boston)	1	0	0	0	0
ALLGEYER (San Francisco)	2	0	0	0	0
DESVERGNES (Houston)	1	0	0	0	0
MEGGERS (Milwaukee)	1	0	0	0	0

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The kickers (note the success of my man Shogren after dropping that bum Soboleski)...

Field Goals
Name	PAT Att	PAT Cmp	FG 20 Att	FG 20 Cmp	FG 30 Att	FG 30 Cmp	FG 40 Att	FG 40 Cmp	FG 50 Att	FG 50 Cmp	Longest	Pnts
FRIEDLER (Cleveland)	31	31	4	4	8	8	8	8	0	0	44	91
GARMEN (Miami)	36	36	6	6	3	3	3	3	0	0	44	72
RODVOLD (Denver)	41	41	6	6	3	3	2	2	0	0	45	74
MCQUIRE (Boston)	22	22	13	13	8	8	6	6	0	0	45	103
SOBOLEWSKI ()	28	20	4	3	2	1	0	0	0	0	35	32
JUDICE (Houston)	34	34	6	5	5	5	2	2	0	0	45	70
BUSSKOHL (San Francisco)	23	23	2	2	5	5	2	2	0	0	44	50
LAASAGA (Pittsburgh)	14	10	6	3	3	2	1	0	0	0	33	25
KRISSIE (Dallas)	32	32	7	7	7	7	4	4	0	0	45	86
FELICE (Philadelphia)	15	8	9	5	7	4	11	6	0	0	45	53
BALCH (Chicago)	40	40	7	7	4	4	0	0	0	0	38	73
SHOGREN (Los Angeles)	26	26	1	1	1	1	1	1	0	0	41	35
LITKA (Oakland)	12	12	4	4	4	4	9	9	0	0	45	63
HORD (Tampa)	15	15	11	11	3	3	6	6	0	0	44	75
LINGAO (Washington)	13	13	6	6	5	5	6	6	0	0	45	64
KORBAR (New York)	48	46	5	5	2	2	4	4	0	0	43	79
WEPPLER (Milwaukee)	34	34	5	5	8	8	4	4	0	0	44	85

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The kick returners (though, these are actually punt return statistics) get their day in the sun...

Kick Returns
Name	Returns	Yards	Longest	TDs
MCKERCHER (Miami)	103	2724	46	0	0
DEMBY (Oakland)	92	2336	47	0	0
ROSARIO (Boston)	105	2719	45	0	0
SCHAEFERS (Philadelphia)	108	3064	47	0	0
ETTISON (Milwaukee)	96	2609	50	0	0
MONTOTO (San Francisco)	113	3020	47	0	0
CARHART (New York)	95	2533	48	0	0
LAMOND (Dallas)	113	3273	48	0	0
ZITTEL (Los Angeles)	104	3020	65	2	0
ROGG (Tampa)	105	3052	50	0	0
CARCIA (Denver)	83	2139	47	0	0
ALLSHOUSE (Houston)	101	2707	45	0	0
BUEHRLE (Washington)	95	2604	47	0	0
PANCHOLI (Cleveland)	2	0	0	0	0
BEISH (Cleveland)	96	2587	47	0	0
PERCE (Chicago)	105	2559	47	0	0
BLENDER (Pittsburgh)	85	2332	47	0	0

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The Quarterbacks (I have no idea what the extra column is on the right--it's not labeled in the excel file--luckily it's all zeros)...

Passing
Name	Att	Cmp	Yards	TDs	Longest	Longest TD	Sacks	Sack Yrds	Fumbles	Fumbles Lost	INT
CANNONE (Washington)	437	287	2926	8	21	45	0	0	0	0	7	0
PICCONE (Miami)	450	293	3496	25	27	122	0	0	0	0	12	0
GORCZYNSKI (Philadelphia)	457	299	3013	12	20	66	0	0	0	0	11	0
MATLOCK (Oakland)	453	300	3118	10	20	76	0	0	0	0	8	0
STEFKA (San Francisco)	456	295	3230	17	20	95	0	0	0	0	10	0
PITORAK (Houston)	447	283	3535	25	28	177	0	0	0	0	12	0
BYRON (Cleveland)	437	277	3967	23	54	133	6	461.3822	0	0	14	0
SINCELL (Milwaukee)	472	324	3878	25	27	158	0	0	0	0	6	0
DEVAN (Dallas)	470	321	3815	23	29	125	0	0	0	0	6	0
NASSER (Chicago)	490	319	4259	28	28	161	0	0	0	0	11	0
NICKENBERRY (Los Angeles)	129	71	944	12	36	112	3	207.4467	0	0	8	0
WOOLWORTH (Cleveland)	7	3	58	0	23	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
HONGISTO (Boston)	485	315	3696	21	28	109	0	0	0	0	8	0
MUGGE (Tampa)	464	302	3206	12	21	67	0	0	0	0	13	0
ARNZEN (Denver)	449	281	4174	32	29	192	0	0	0	0	7	0
DERRER (Los Angeles)	343	226	3335	29	29	161	0	0	0	0	4	0
FIGGS (New York)	477	313	4441	36	27	173	0	0	0	0	9	0
CARCIERI (Pittsburgh)	441	283	2990	14	21	84	0	0	0	0	9	0

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You'll note above, that Arnzen passed Pitorak for the longest touchdown pass of the season.

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The receivers (yes, everyone in the league who has caught a pass this season)...

Receiving
Name	Rec	Yards	Longest	Longest TD	TDs
SPADA (Dallas)	137	1761	29	74	11	0
WHEETLEY (Tampa)	3	38	16	5	1	0
SHERLIN (Tampa)	28	286	19	22	2	0
BONAPARTE (Cleveland)	31	431	24	9	2	0
MCKERCHER (Miami)	147	1806	27	85	16	0
WHITACKER (Pittsburgh)	4	33	14	0	0	0
LIDGE (Denver)	89	1415	29	63	9	0
DEMBY (Oakland)	127	1315	20	30	4	0
SARTI (Boston)	34	384	23	14	2	0
ROSARIO (Boston)	159	1938	28	67	9	0
SCHAEFERS (Philadelphia)	118	1327	20	41	7	0
STMARTIN (Philadelphia)	151	1433	19	24	3	0
LUEBBE (Philadelphia)	1	10	10	0	0	0
ETTISON (Milwaukee)	149	1867	27	103	14	0
HANAUER (Milwaukee)	35	396	24	38	4	0
KRAVETZ (Houston)	46	533	25	30	3	0
BERDUX (San Francisco)	36	392	19	24	3	0
RAPOZO (Pittsburgh)	136	1388	21	30	5	0
WYATT (Los Angeles)	7	81	20	20	1	0
NOTT (Los Angeles)	42	555	24	101	11	0
CUSTEAU (Miami)	100	1221	27	42	6	0
VAGLIARDO (Milwaukee)	9	123	22	11	1	0
MONTOTO (San Francisco)	138	1480	20	40	6	0
HOLTROP (Cleveland)	7	56	25	0	0	0
VANVRANKEN (Washington)	36	335	19	12	2	0
MANLY (San Francisco)	8	87	14	9	1	0
JERGEN (San Francisco)	111	1232	20	37	6	0
CARHART (New York)	154	2277	27	134	18	0
STOLTZ (New York)	3	34	21	0	0	0
LAMOND (Dallas)	149	1697	26	60	10	0
OSMAN (Dallas)	8	104	21	0	0	0
OEHLERT (Dallas)	27	253	20	12	2	0
EKLOV (Philadelphia)	2	17	10	0	0	0
SPILLANE (Chicago)	50	600	26	20	4	0
FICORILLI (Oakland)	143	1519	19	59	5	0
SANDINE (Los Angeles)	105	1538	36	46	9	0
ROGG (Tampa)	135	1415	20	26	5	0
CARCIA (Denver)	134	2029	28	136	16	0
ALBARES (Denver)	4	38	19	0	0	0
PATENAUDE (Denver)	5	64	22	0	0	0
MOSTYN (Pittsburgh)	23	243	18	27	4	0
BUEHRLE (Washington)	130	1381	20	3	1	0
PANCHOLI (Cleveland)	102	1450	30	80	10	0
NEUDECK (Boston)	5	70	22	0	0	0
EASH (San Francisco)	2	39	17	12	1	0
DIGIAMBATTI (New York)	110	1548	27	109	16	0
CABANES (New York)	46	582	23	5	2	0
MARCRUM (Denver)	49	628	23	56	7	0
REDELL (Oakland)	4	34	17	0	0	0
ARENOS (Philadelphia)	2	9	6	0	0	0
HANDSAKER (Oakland)	26	250	19	0	1	0
PHILBIN (Philadelphia)	25	217	17	1	2	0
BEISH (Cleveland)	139	2034	27	88	11	0
DAUZAT (Tampa)	136	1467	21	23	4	0
DESILVIO (Miami)	35	358	19	17	3	0
ZITTEL (Los Angeles)	133	1957	29	146	20	0
DUMESNIL (Los Angeles)	10	148	24	0	0	0
BRUENING (Milwaukee)	131	1492	26	41	6	0
ALLSHOUSE (Houston)	136	1796	28	113	15	0
WUNDERLY (Houston)	9	89	22	0	0	0
MOATES (Houston)	2	15	13	0	0	0
ROSS (Houston)	90	1102	25	116	7	0
MAUCERI (Chicago)	4	77	24	0	0	0
HAZARIKA (Chicago)	101	1393	28	62	8	0
STYONS (Miami)	8	87	16	0	0	0
UNGERMAN (Miami)	3	24	20	0	0	0
PERCE (Chicago)	149	2049	28	106	16	0
BOLL (Chicago)	15	140	23	0	0	0
DIPERNA (Boston)	117	1304	28	54	10	0
VELIE (Washington)	116	1177	21	30	5	0
YARRELL (Washington)	3	28	18	0	0	0
FRUGOLI (Washington)	2	5	4	0	0	0
BLENDER (Pittsburgh)	120	1326	21	39	5	0
HOBART (Cleveland)	1	54	54	0	0	0

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Rushing (I guess we're a pass happy league)...

Rushing
Name	Rushes	Yards	Longest	Longest TD	TDs	Fumbles	Fumbles Lost
WHEETLEY (Tampa)	379	966	4	4	4	0	0	0
GORCZYNSKI (Philadelphia)	148	356	4	2	1	0	0	0
WYATT (Los Angeles)	60	263	16	0	0	0	0	0
PICCONE (Miami)	135	379	5	1	2	0	0	0
VAGLIARDO (Milwaukee)	485	1385	5	19	12	0	0	0
MATLOCK (Oakland)	150	360	4	5	2	0	0	0
BYRON (Cleveland)	110	283	5	2	1	0	0	0
STEFKA (San Francisco)	123	313	4	1	1	0	0	0
MANLY (San Francisco)	375	962	4	1	4	0	0	0
STOLTZ (New York)	519	1704	5	7	11	0	0	0
BILLOT (New York)	25	83	5	0	0	0	0	0
OSMAN (Dallas)	423	1267	6	10	7	0	0	0
EKLOV (Philadelphia)	13	37	4	0	0	0	0	0
NASSER (Chicago)	134	487	6	3	1	0	0	0
CATHY (Oakland)	10	26	4	0	0	0	0	0
ALBARES (Denver)	478	1701	6	14	6	0	0	0
CANNONE (Washington)	125	276	4	0	2	0	0	0
LEITTEN (Boston)	28	82	5	4	1	0	0	0
HOLTROP (Cleveland)	451	1484	12	7	7	0	0	0
WHITACKER (Pittsburgh)	389	1001	4	7	4	0	0	0
CLEMENCE (Pittsburgh)	12	20	4	0	0	0	0	0
DEVAN (Dallas)	150	391	5	2	2	0	0	0
HONGISTO (Boston)	156	510	6	1	1	0	0	0
NEUDECK (Boston)	472	1464	5	3	2	0	0	0
MEAHL (Dallas)	17	55	5	0	0	0	0	0
EASH (San Francisco)	41	113	4	1	1	0	0	0
PATENAUDE (Denver)	26	91	5	2	1	0	0	0
REDELL (Oakland)	384	1030	4	4	2	0	0	0
ARENOS (Philadelphia)	370	958	4	4	2	0	0	0
BROKER (Cleveland)	16	59	5	0	0	0	0	0
MCDAVIS (Tampa)	23	69	4	0	0	0	0	0
DUMESNIL (Los Angeles)	230	793	11	6	5	0	0	0
HYDE (Los Angeles)	226	777	7	11	5	0	0	0
NICKENBERRY (Los Angeles)	23	89	10	0	0	0	0	0
SINCELL (Milwaukee)	132	414	6	0	0	0	0	0
PITORAK (Houston)	129	382	5	0	1	0	0	0
WUNDERLY (Houston)	433	1288	5	6	8	0	0	0
MOATES (Houston)	23	76	6	0	0	0	0	0
KISINGER (Milwaukee)	31	99	5	0	0	0	0	0
MAUCERI (Chicago)	35	125	6	0	0	0	0	0
MUGGE (Tampa)	147	387	4	0	1	0	0	0
ARNZEN (Denver)	116	416	5	4	2	0	0	0
STYONS (Miami)	474	1422	5	17	10	0	0	0
UNGERMAN (Miami)	31	89	5	0	0	0	0	0
DERRER (Los Angeles)	98	304	5	0	2	0	0	0
BOLL (Chicago)	497	1626	6	21	12	0	0	0
YARRELL (Washington)	363	882	4	2	2	0	0	0
FRUGOLI (Washington)	19	41	4	1	1	0	0	0
FIGGS (New York)	138	511	6	1	1	0	0	0
CARCIERI (Pittsburgh)	159	410	4	3	1	0	0	0

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Tackles (this is the longest one--sorry)...

Tackles
Name	Tackles	Sacks	Safeties
MCMANN (Tampa)	8	0	0	0
GROEBNER (Washington)	100	0	0	0
BARBAGELATA (Washington)	117	0	0	0
BELFI (Cleveland)	43	0	0	0
PUNDSACK (Washington)	37	0	0	0
REMINGTON (Cleveland)	97	0	0	0
DEETS (Miami)	124	0	0	0
MYSLIWIEC (New York)	81	0	0	0
RYNES (New York)	2	0	0	0
WASSMANN (New York)	98	0	0	0
FRATTO (Oakland)	99	0	0	0
PACHTER (Pittsburgh)	43	0	0	0
BLIESE (Pittsburgh)	15	0	0	0
STUCKETT (San Francisco)	36	0	0	0
WHITLER (Pittsburgh)	100	0	0	0
ASCHEMAN (Pittsburgh)	60	0	0	0
SUBLETT (Denver)	34	0	0	0
WIXON (Oakland)	47	0	0	0
VANDERROEST (Oakland)	21	0	0	0
REINOWSKI (Boston)	93	0	0	0
STERMER (Boston)	81	0	0	0
VERDI (Boston)	112	0	0	0
SUTIC (Boston)	45	0	0	0
AUYONG (Philadelphia)	133	0	0	0
CALLIHAM (Philadelphia)	49	0	0	0
DUPRAS (Philadelphia)	42	0	0	0
VAETH (Los Angeles)	92	0	0	0
KEIRNS (Los Angeles)	4	0	0	0
BARCLIFT (Milwaukee)	112	0	0	0
GANDRUD (New York)	85	0	0	0
QUALLE (Houston)	58	0	0	0
MAUNG (Chicago)	89	0	0	0
WAYFORD (Los Angeles)	76	0	0	0
GUTRERREZ (Miami)	85	0	0	0
SEIP (Miami)	85	0	0	0
LECATO (Miami)	2	0	0	0
BOUCHE (Miami)	39	0	0	0
BATTSON (Miami)	15	0	0	0
MURZYCKI (Miami)	38	0	0	0
OBYRNE (Milwaukee)	26	0	0	0
KYZAR (Cleveland)	3	0	0	0
RUSHWORTH (Miami)	109	0	0	0
NORDSTROM (Philadelphia)	93	0	0	0
NUZENSKI (New York)	77	0	0	0
ELLIOT (New York)	46	0	0	0
GEROCK (Denver)	128	0	0	0
TANKS (Milwaukee)	105	0	0	0
BENING (Milwaukee)	92	0	0	0
KASSULKE (Milwaukee)	71	0	0	0
HASELDEN (San Francisco)	69	0	0	0
REINKEMEYER (San Francisco)	58	0	0	0
BLUDWORTH (San Francisco)	36	0	0	0
AMSLEY (New York)	92	0	0	0
DROBNY (San Francisco)	88	0	0	0
PUGLIARES (San Francisco)	7	0	0	0
ROETCISOEND (New York)	40	0	0	0
LEDWITH (New York)	62	0	0	0
VIETHS (Dallas)	118	0	0	0
BENACK (Dallas)	109	0	0	0
GIACCHI (Dallas)	2	0	0	0
ZACCAGNINI (Philadelphia)	112	0	0	0
KIROVAC (Philadelphia)	112	0	0	0
DAGATA (Chicago)	102	0	0	0
HICKLIN (Chicago)	89	0	0	0
MIODUSZEWSK (Chicago)	49	0	0	0
STURMAN (Chicago)	37	0	0	0
CZYSZ (Philadelphia)	37	0	0	0
CRIADO (Philadelphia)	18	0	0	0
BUENROSTRO (Chicago)	73	0	0	0
MCCRATE (Chicago)	34	0	0	0
MAISEL (Los Angeles)	106	1	0	0
SCHOEN (Los Angeles)	57	0	0	0
MCGREEN (Los Angeles)	26	0	0	0
LIGHTSEY (Los Angeles)	43	1	0	0
NOTT (Los Angeles)	1	0	0	0
PAOLETTI (Oakland)	134	0	0	0
REINHOLTZ (Oakland)	7	0	0	0
CANTEY (Oakland)	123	0	0	0
CICALI (Oakland)	41	0	0	0
KALIN (Tampa)	89	0	0	0
ESCOTT (Tampa)	112	0	0	0
HEFFINGTON (Tampa)	86	0	0	0
NARVAEZ (Tampa)	95	0	0	0
COVENTRY (Tampa)	1	0	0	0
BREDY (Denver)	95	0	0	0
OESTREICHER (Denver)	83	0	0	0
BUDLONG (Denver)	82	0	0	0
VALVO (Denver)	93	0	0	0
ANTONETTI (Denver)	1	0	0	0
PINSKY (Houston)	113	0	0	0
SYLVIAN (Houston)	102	0	0	0
KITTINGER (Pittsburgh)	4	0	0	0
MODIN (Pittsburgh)	80	0	0	0
BARTSCH (Pittsburgh)	104	0	0	0
CONTRINO (Pittsburgh)	33	0	0	0
COYNER (Boston)	101	0	0	0
BANASIAK (Washington)	92	0	0	0
GUIDETTI (Washington)	48	0	0	0
ABNET (Boston)	26	0	0	0
MERKEL (Cleveland)	97	0	0	0
ANTISTA (Boston)	108	0	0	0
HUNTSBERRY (Boston)	97	0	0	0
ORREN (Boston)	89	0	0	0
HOLTROP (Cleveland)	1	0	0	0
MERICA (Cleveland)	49	0	0	0
SHABEL (Pittsburgh)	121	0	0	0
MARCHENA (Pittsburgh)	118	0	0	0
BURNES (Cleveland)	1	0	0	0
PANCHOLI (Cleveland)	7	0	0	0
HEIDEBRINK (Pittsburgh)	46	0	0	0
PUCCINI (Dallas)	109	0	0	0
CARDINAL (Dallas)	88	0	0	0
PORTEN (Dallas)	96	0	0	0
CROSNO (Dallas)	18	0	0	0
SERAFINE (San Francisco)	107	0	0	0
STLUCIEN (San Francisco)	18	0	0	0
BERDUGO (San Francisco)	114	0	0	0
CUTHBERT (Dallas)	100	0	0	0
SCHROTT (San Francisco)	110	0	0	0
ALLGEYER (San Francisco)	102	0	0	0
TONETTI (San Francisco)	101	0	0	0
KUHNEL (San Francisco)	42	0	0	0
KOZIAK (Boston)	46	0	0	0
FAVUZZI (Denver)	126	0	0	0
MUSSMANN (Denver)	48	0	0	0
GOLDSWORTHY (Denver)	34	0	0	0
LEBRECHT (Denver)	13	0	0	0
DUVEL (Washington)	133	0	0	0
AYDT (Washington)	133	0	0	0
CHILDRES (Washington)	104	0	0	0
MAGOWAN (Washington)	46	0	0	0
WIETZEL (Washington)	92	0	0	0
MICHELS (Washington)	5	0	0	0
OBANION (New York)	44	0	0	0
MINOCK (New York)	10	0	0	0
CHIODI (Oakland)	68	0	0	0
WILHIDE (Oakland)	87	0	0	0
BUCKMASTER (Oakland)	104	0	0	0
CADA (Oakland)	45	0	0	0
HARTSOE (Washington)	29	0	0	0
LIEBENTHAL (Washington)	14	0	0	0
GRAYS (New York)	110	0	0	0
BURGOA (New York)	52	0	0	0
JAVERY (Oakland)	133	0	0	0
KLEVENE (Philadelphia)	96	0	0	0
HERTZBERG (Philadelphia)	96	0	0	0
LOUP (Philadelphia)	84	0	0	0
JUBA (Philadelphia)	48	0	0	0
BOGEMA (Miami)	39	0	0	0
BEISH (Cleveland)	1	0	0	0
FENNY (Cleveland)	117	0	0	0
VANWEERD (Cleveland)	112	3	0	0
TROILO (Cleveland)	47	0	0	0
RIVENBERG (Tampa)	106	0	0	0
WOHLENHAUS (Tampa)	65	0	0	0
ABRUZZINO (Miami)	74	0	0	0
STORTO (Miami)	74	0	0	0
MURDY (Miami)	118	0	0	0
RUSTRIAN (Miami)	47	0	0	0
BISSON (Cleveland)	91	0	0	0
ROSENKOETTE (Cleveland)	84	0	0	0
KOPPINGER (Cleveland)	44	0	0	0
TANKERSLY (Tampa)	37	0	0	0
FULEKI (Tampa)	33	0	0	0
ZITTEL (Los Angeles)	2	0	0	0
WINGETT (Los Angeles)	88	0	0	0
DUMESNIL (Los Angeles)	1	0	0	0
HURTA (Los Angeles)	91	1	0	0
GOTTHELF (Los Angeles)	89	2	0	0
MCOY (Los Angeles)	81	0	0	0
MEHTA (Los Angeles)	3	0	0	0
MCCLOY (Los Angeles)	10	0	0	0
YELLOWHAIR (Los Angeles)	11	1	0	0
ROTSTEIN (Milwaukee)	112	0	0	0
GAVIGAN (Milwaukee)	42	0	0	0
BABILON (Milwaukee)	40	0	0	0
GOBERN (Milwaukee)	11	0	0	0
BRADSHER (Houston)	132	0	0	0
ADROVEL (Houston)	113	0	0	0
DESVERGNES (Houston)	43	0	0	0
GERONIMO (Houston)	18	0	0	0
HILLEMAN (Chicago)	105	0	0	0
BRUNMEIER (Milwaukee)	44	0	0	0
GEOFFREY (Houston)	74	0	0	0
WOODROOF (Houston)	135	0	0	0
WENGERD (Houston)	94	0	0	0
FELLENBAUM (Chicago)	120	0	0	0
CIONI (Chicago)	4	0	0	0
STROY (Chicago)	33	0	0	0
CLARITY (Chicago)	13	0	0	0
FANNELL (Tampa)	119	0	0	0
MENDIVIL (Tampa)	82	0	0	0
KEANUM (Tampa)	44	0	0	0
COLAR (Denver)	97	0	0	0
SELEG (Dallas)	61	0	0	0
DAUGHDRILL (Dallas)	51	0	0	0
SKIFF (Houston)	1	0	0	0
SANDINE (Los Angeles)	3	0	0	0
GIANNITTI (Denver)	38	0	0	0
SEMSEM (Dallas)	82	0	0	0
GAVETT (Dallas)	41	0	0	0
DESTIME (Dallas)	52	0	0	0
GANDHY (Houston)	34	0	0	0
KEELY (Houston)	49	0	0	0
ELLCESSOR (Los Angeles)	47	0	0	0
SILFIES (Chicago)	90	0	0	0
LEDWIG (Boston)	41	0	0	0
STEPLETON (Boston)	1	0	0	0
DEGIROLAMO (Boston)	13	0	0	0
KRIMPLE (Philadelphia)	4	0	0	0
VOLBRECHT (Oakland)	36	0	0	0
MEGGERS (Milwaukee)	111	0	0	0
FELDTMAN (Milwaukee)	99	0	0	0
BROKER (Cleveland)	2	0	0	0
PLOUFFE (Cleveland)	20	0	0	0
DEMILLE (Pittsburgh)	111	0	0	0
GAMPONG (Cleveland)	95	0	0	0
HOBART (Cleveland)	2	0	0	0
DEBRUHL (Pittsburgh)	89	0	0	0

[digamma]

And last, but not least...the punters...

Punts
Name	Punts	Yards	Longest	Returns	Ret Yards	Fair Catch	Touch Back	Blocked
ROSSO (Cleveland)	89	3961	56	83	2240	0	0	0	0
HATTIER (San Francisco)	112	5009	57	112	3072	0	0	0	0
BALLEY (Denver)	79	3582	56	79	2130	0	0	0	0
LIVINTON (Washington)	118	5310	58	118	3081	0	0	0	0
BISCAHALL (Los Angeles)	82	3628	54	81	2223	0	0	0	0
LANOIS (Tampa)	114	4888	56	114	3072	0	0	0	0
CITY (Miami)	91	4109	59	91	2425	0	0	0	0
CREASY (Dallas)	98	4463	59	98	2600	0	0	0	0
SCHELLENGER (Houston)	103	4522	56	103	2812	0	0	0	0
POREDA (Chicago)	93	4090	58	93	2504	0	0	0	0
MACHA (Boston)	92	4114	58	92	2435	0	0	0	0
BARBARITO (Philadelphia)	111	5035	57	111	3091	0	0	0	0
REE (Oakland)	122	5435	58	122	3412	0	0	0	0
SCHOETTMER (Milwaukee)	92	4153	57	92	2699	0	0	0	0
TOURVILLE (New York)	79	3447	55	79	2038	0	0	0	0
CAROLLO (Pittsburgh)	117	5254	58	117	3320	0	0	0	0

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by digamma

You'll note above, that Arnzen passed Pitorak for the longest touchdown pass of the season.

Some records were just made to be broken.

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

...hey, i'm the first guy to crack a joke if something is funny, but there is a side of me that feels bad for the guy. i'm of the belief that he actually thought he could make this a full time job like Solecismic, but his inexperience and other factors just won't make that possible. my wife and i always wish we could start a small little company together so i guess i see a little bit of me in the Winters' situation. i felt bad for his wife (who brought things upon herself obviously), cuz my wife would have done the same thing - she's a very "stand by your man" kinda gal.

I felt somewhat bad at the beginning when I didn't know much about him. But as I read previous posts he had written over a course of 3 years on his own site, I realized that he was stringing people along with false promises and then tried to deny that there were any. And when I learned what happened with CFL 99, that made it worse. Then if you go through his feature list and you learn what is in the game, I see that this guy is less than honest in a number of different areas.

As far as his wife, I never made any ill advised comments about her because I do understand that she is supporting him. Even though she made some crazy comments to potential comments prior to the release, I figured it may have been because she saw how it affected him in their private life.

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i probably stated a couple times in this thread i would love to have created a game even 75% of what MF is, for me that'd be a mammoth accomplishment. David's only fault is charging as much as he did. should have sold the game for at least $20, and all along humbly said it was a work in progress but every game he sold would allow him to further develop the game. i don't think people mind being paid beta testers as long as you let them know ahead of time. he never should have marketed the game as the second coming of FPS.

Yeah and that's the other thing. Before Matrix took over, he stated that the game would sell aroudn $30, but somehow it went up to $50. Yet if we were to compare that to Puresim, they were able stay around the same price. I don't know what happened there. And I agree with your comments above that she should have sold it for a lot less as a beta game. He could have went the Puresim route easily.

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

there's noone to blame in this MF mess other than David, which is shame cuz a different tact would have went a long way. i certainly wouldn't want 96 pages of bashing my game if i created something, that would demotivate me to the point where i'd probably stop putting time/effort into games altogether. it's a shame, really...

Yep, no one to blame but himself. And that is why this thread is so long. Not for the fact that everyone wants to elbow and drop kick a developer. It is because there are so many mistakes being made. Mistakes are/were being made in publishing, development, public relations, marketing, pricing, beta testing and adverstising. And all of it surrounds this game. I haven't seen this with any other game ever.

But why would you be afraid to start your own business based off this? If it is something that you wanted to do and you are passionate about it, would you really give up on the effort. Now I would understand if you have to stop a business because it is not financially viable, but you wouldn't stop creating altogether, would you?

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by digamma

The Quarterbacks (I have no idea what the extra column is on the right--it's not labeled in the excel file--luckily it's all zeros)...

That's pretty sad when you have more sack yards (6461.3822) than passing yards (3967). I feel sorry for Byron from Cleveland. I guess its all worth it since he was still able to manage 23 touchdowns.

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

That's pretty sad when you have more sack yards (6461.3822) than passing yards (3967). I feel sorry for Byron from Cleveland. I guess its all worth it since he was still able to manage 23 touchdowns.

Eh, wasn't it 6 sacks for 461.3822 yards?

[Antmeister]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

Eh, wasn't it 6 sacks for 461.3822 yards?

Argh! You're right. On my screen it looks like one complete number. But when I quoted it, I can see now that it is a different cell. So instead of 0 sacks for 6461.3822 yards. It should read 6 sacks for 461.3822 yards. That sounds much better.