If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[Atocep]

Trump pulling 59% at CPAC continues to show his hold on the GOP is definitely slipping. Desantis within 30 points of a former President at this stage is a good sign for his chances.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Trump pulling 59% at CPAC continues to show his hold on the GOP is definitely slipping. Desantis within 30 points of a former President at this stage is a good sign for his chances.

I think you have to account for the fact that the bill of speakers, weighted heavily pro-Trump skews this at least a bit, so actual numbers by be closer to, or just below 50%, but the important thing is his grip is slowly slipping.

How his endorsees do in mid terms will be a huge indicator of where he truly stands.

[JPhillips]

If DeSantis has the balls to challenge Trump in the primary, he'll be vanquished pretty quickly. My guess is nobody from the right is willing to run and face the prospect of having their political career ended at a Trump rally. Any challenge will come from the never-Trump side and that won't go very far. If it's someone like Liz Cheney I expect the party will rig things so she can't debate and won't appear on many ballots.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

If DeSantis has the balls to challenge Trump in the primary, he'll be vanquished pretty quickly. My guess is nobody from the right is willing to run and face the prospect of having their political career ended at a Trump rally. Any challenge will come from the never-Trump side and that won't go very far. If it's someone like Liz Cheney I expect the party will rig things so she can't debate and won't appear on many ballots.

Yeah, Trump's not going to allow someone to upstage him. I think DeSantis is positioning himself for 2028 or VP or in the event that Trump dies. I don't think he's stupid enough to challenge Trump head on.

SI

[molson]

It's amazing how much power Trump has. Everyone in his party just waiting for him to either die or announce his political intentions going forward. For him to essentially grant or deny them permission regarding their own lives and careers.

How in this world did this happen.

[Ryche]

Originally Posted by molson

It's amazing how much power Trump has. Everyone in his party just waiting for him to either die or announce his political intentions going forward. For him to essentially grant or deny them permission regarding their own lives and careers.

How in this world did this happen.

Blame the base, they won't let you defy mighty leader.

[PilotMan]

They are afraid.

It IS the party platform after all.

[bronconick]

So if the US has cut off access to Russia's banks, does that mean Trump's ATM card doesn't work now?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

If DeSantis has the balls to challenge Trump in the primary, he'll be vanquished pretty quickly. My guess is nobody from the right is willing to run and face the prospect of having their political career ended at a Trump rally. Any challenge will come from the never-Trump side and that won't go very far. If it's someone like Liz Cheney I expect the party will rig things so she can't debate and won't appear on many ballots.

Liz Cheney would be lucky to pull 10% in a Republican primary. I can't think of a never-Trumper that would do much better.

[stevew]

If you wanna read some cringe, a local 1/6 insurgent killed himself recently and the funeral log book is interesting for sure.

Obituary Guestbook | Matthew Lawrence Perna | John Flynn Funeral Home and Crematory, Inc.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by stevew

If you wanna read some cringe, a local 1/6 insurgent killed himself recently and the funeral log book is interesting for sure.

Obituary Guestbook | Matthew Lawrence Perna | John Flynn Funeral Home and Crematory, Inc.

actually the "rule" is if you commit suicide, you go straight to hell, so there's that.

[molson]

Originally Posted by stevew

If you wanna read some cringe, a local 1/6 insurgent killed himself recently and the funeral log book is interesting for sure.

Obituary Guestbook | Matthew Lawrence Perna | John Flynn Funeral Home and Crematory, Inc.

So the angle now seems to be that the insurrection was setup by the liberals to draw the true Patriots together into one place where they could be persecuted.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by molson

So the angle now seems to be that the insurrection was setup by the liberals to draw the true Patriots together into one place where they could be persecuted.

False flag and all that typical shit

[albionmoonlight]

If strangers ever use my child's obituary page to make political statements . . .

[RainMaker]

It seems like the family wrote the obituary. They raised a terrorist and you can clearly see where he got his values from. You reap what you sow.

[NobodyHere]

Might as well throw this here:

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[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by molson

So the angle now seems to be that the insurrection was setup by the liberals to draw the true Patriots together into one place where they could be persecuted.

And Trump was planted to bring them all there? I mean, I'll stipulate that they were set up by "teh lib-rals" if they stipulate they were only there because of Trump.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by molson

So the angle now seems to be that the insurrection was setup by the liberals to draw the true Patriots together into one place where they could be persecuted.

As a liberal, I kinda wish I had thought of that. Do you think they'd let us do a do-over, maybe get more MAGA folks there and this time arm the capitol police?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

As a liberal, I kinda wish I had thought of that. Do you think they'd let us do a do-over, maybe get more MAGA folks there and this time arm the capitol police?

Yes, the party that can't even get their own congressmen to vote for their own policies are creating a vast false flag conspiracy while they're not even in power in government.

SI

[Thomkal]

Louie Gohmert, one of the lowest of the low in the Republican party, gave up his safe House seat to run for Texas AG. He finished 4th in a 4 man field, which I hope brings a fitting end to his political career:


https://rollcall.com/2022/03/02/gohm...orney-general/

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Louie Gohmert, one of the lowest of the low in the Republican party, gave up his safe House seat to run for Texas AG. He finished 4th in a 4 man field, which I hope brings a fitting end to his political career:


https://rollcall.com/2022/03/02/gohm...orney-general/

He was also one of the dumbest people in the House and that's saying a lot

SI

[PilotMan]

Well, one of the defendants charged with "Seditious Conspiracy" plead guilty.

Joshua James, 34, of Arab, Ala., pleaded guilty in federal court in Washington on Wednesday to helping lead a group that prosecutors say sent two tactically equipped teams into the Capitol and organized a cache of weapons in a hotel just outside the city. He also pleaded to one count of obstructing an official proceeding, and he may face the stiffest sentence of any Jan. 6 defendant so far, according to preliminary sentencing guidelines.



As part of his plea, James agreed to cooperate with federal investigators, including testifying in front of a grand jury.

[JPhillips]

There's a lot here. I can see how this might be a problem for a GOPer in TX.

U.S. Rep. Van Taylor, R-Plano, has decided to end his reelection campaign amid 11th-hour allegations of infidelity with a former jihadist who was once married to a commander for the Islamic Statehttps://t.co/s3qCxEjhiG

— Anthony DeRosa (@Anthony) March 2, 2022

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Well, one of the defendants charged with "Seditious Conspiracy" plead guilty.

Yup. 1/6 is now officially sedition.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Well, one of the defendants charged with "Seditious Conspiracy" plead guilty.

Roger Stone's gotta be nervous right now,



And I can't wait to see how Republicans are going to respond to him pleading guilty

[PilotMan]

The Jan 6 select committee says its evidence has shown that then-president trump and his campaign tried to illegally obstruct Congress' counting of electoral votes and "engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States."

[Thomkal]

Lock him up! It looks like they have John Eastman in their sights too.

[RainMaker]

This documentary should be something else.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

The Jan 6 select committee says its evidence has shown that then-president trump and his campaign tried to illegally obstruct Congress' counting of electoral votes and "engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States."

well yes they did that every day while claiming the other side was doing wrong. That's all republicans do.

[Lathum]

The Emptiness Inside Donald Trump’s New Social Media Platform - POLITICO

[RainMaker]

This guy was President.

Trump mused to donors that we should take our F-22 planes, "put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the shit out" out of Russia. "And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch."

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) March 6, 2022

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This guy was President.

Trump mused to donors that we should take our F-22 planes, "put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the shit out" out of Russia. "And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch."
— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) March 6, 2022

And thank god he isn't currently

SI

[Lathum]

I can only assume Bobby Valentine gave him that idea

[Ksyrup]

If Ukranians put their hands over their eyes, the Russians won't be able to find them!

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

This guy was President.

Trump mused to donors that we should take our F-22 planes, "put the Chinese flag on them and bomb the shit out" out of Russia. "And then we say, China did it, we didn't do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch."

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) March 6, 2022

He also had nuclear codes

[Brian Swartz]

And didn't use them or start conventional wars, despite constant fearmongering that he would.

[kingfc22]

No. He just completely polarized the country into two and caused an armed insurrection of our Capitol. Ho hum what a guy.

[PilotMan]

He didn't need to, he was willing to open doors for them and kiss their feet, not fight them. Who wants to fight the people offering up hand jobs and golden showers?

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

And didn't use them or start conventional wars, despite constant fearmongering that he would.

Of course not because we do still have checks and balances and even in his admin there was rationality. But that's not the point, you need to be a balanced, rational leader that thinks of consequences that come from emotions and/or flippant comments like this.

Unlike others I don't just attack the messenger for the sake of hating Trump, I am attacking the message, which given the severity of the situation, is pretty fucking stupid. It shows he continues to either not grasp, or not care about the reality beyond Trump world and the adulation he receives there.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

And didn't use them or start conventional wars, despite constant fearmongering that he would.

I don't think anyone actually thought Trump would start a war.

If I can walk into my neighbors house and he lets me fuck his wife why would I beat him up and then fuck her?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

And didn't use them or start conventional wars, despite constant fearmongering that he would.

That hurricane never would have known what hit it though.

[JPhillips]

No matter how hard Bill Barr works to clean up his reputation, this is the most important fact. He says he'll vote for Trump in 2024.

[Ksyrup]

Maybe I'm wrong/glossing over our history (certainly not within the past 100 years or so), but I just don't think our political process was ever tested in the way it is now with someone like Trump as president. Meaning, there's never been someone who has shown himself to be this unfit continuing to run for office to where partisans have ever had to make this hard choice. Closest would be Nixon if he had decided to run again, I guess.

It's always been assumed you vote for your party, because that's your identity. If you're a Republican voting for a Democrat, or vice versa, are you still aligned with that party? Until now, there's always been someone who objectively you could vote for, even if you didn't agree or personally like them. They weren't a danger to the country.

Now, for the general public, it's much easier to switch but with social media and so many actively engaged people, there's a not insignificant portion of the population who are functionally out-there partisans for whom the party affiliation matters over all. And then you add in the Trumpers who would follow him regardless of party affiliation, and it's turning into a potentially lethal cocktail.

[albionmoonlight]

If you were McConnell/McCarthy/Pence/Barr/etc. and you wanted to get rid of Trump (I'm not sure if they do or not), isn't the play to act all nice to him now and then take out the knives after the mid-terms?

[Ksyrup]

There definitely has to be some long-term play from all of the behind-the-scenes people who supposedly want him gone ASAP. The wild card, I guess, is finding a suitable replacement without losing the engagement of his cult. It seems that's Desantis right now, what with all of his faux-performance art demonstrations in front of the media.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

He just completely polarized the country into two and caused an armed insurrection of our Capitol. Ho hum what a guy.

Ofc, nobody said he was a good guy, or that any of that was justifiable (though I'd say the country did a pretty darn good job of polarizing itself outside of anything Trump did), and of course what I think of Trump is on record many times over.

Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't think anyone actually thought Trump would start a war.

A lot of regular posters on this forum either did, or lied about it at the time.

Originally Posted by BYU14

I am attacking the message, which given the severity of the situation, is pretty fucking stupid.

Unquestionably so. I just don't see the point of noting that he had nuclear codes since, you know, he didn't actually use them. That's literally the definition of attacking the messenger not the message.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Atocep

That hurricane never would have known what hit it though.

Well played.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Maybe I'm wrong/glossing over our history (certainly not within the past 100 years or so), but I just don't think our political process was ever tested in the way it is now with someone like Trump as president. Meaning, there's never been someone who has shown himself to be this unfit continuing to run for office to where partisans have ever had to make this hard choice. Closest would be Nixon if he had decided to run again, I guess.

Nixon did commit treason before taking office. And Reagan committed treason while in office.

I still think Nixon was a huge turning point in this country. Ford pardoning him was a decision that we are still reeling from today.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Unquestionably so. I just don't see the point of noting that he had nuclear codes since, you know, he didn't actually use them. That's literally the definition of attacking the messenger not the message.

The point being, someone that thinks like him, shouldn't have nuclear codes, whether he used them or not, and that applies to a couple of other world leaders too. No need to exercise mental gymnastics over it, dude does not have the emotional stability or the critical thinking skills needed to run a country, where he cannot just steamroll over anything he doesn't like, the way he did in the business world. And I have voted more republican than democrat in my life, but will never vote republican again until they move past him.

[RainMaker]

More voter fraud.

Former NC congressman registered to vote in home where he purportedly never stayed :: WRAL.com